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An Algorithm That Can Predict Human Behavior Better Than Humans (mit.edu)

Quartz describes an MIT study with the surprising conclusion that at least in some circumstances, an algorithm can not only sift numbers faster than humans (after all, that's what computers are best at), but also discern relevant factors within a complex data set more accurately and more quickly than can teams of humans. In a competition involving 905 human teams, a system called the Data Science Machine, designed by MIT master's student Max Kanter and his advisor, Kalyan Veeramachaneni, beat most of the humans for accuracy and speed in three tests of predictive power, including one about "whether a student would drop out during the next ten days, based on student interactions with resources on an online course." Teams might have looked at how late students turned in their problem sets, or whether they spent any time looking at lecture notes. But instead, MIT News reports, the two most important indicators turned out to be how far ahead of a deadline the student began working on their problem set, and how much time the student spent on the course website. ... The Data Science Machine performed well in this competition. It was also successful in two other competitions, one in which participants had to predict whether a crowd-funded project would be considered “exciting” and another if a customer would become a repeat buyer.

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  1. Re: But can it predict nonhuman-like objects... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He wants us to die. It doesn't take an algorithm to understand that.

  2. Try predicting violent behavior. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It might be interesting to try it at predicting future violent behavior of individuals.

    Those who study such behavior have come up with the aphorism "The only effective predictor of future violent behavior is past violent behavior." Let's see if the

    Shrinks who try to make predictions about individuals come out WORSE than chance - which implies that there may be SOME prediction possible - but the current paradigms have it backward.

    This, by the way, is ONE of the reasons the pro-gun crowd pooh-poohs mental health tests for gun ownership or purchase. Another is the observation that people with mental illnesses are, on the average, far LESS likely to cause harm to others than the average of the population. (They may harm THEMSELVES, but suicide rates don't change if guns aren't available: Instead the suicidal switch to less effective and usually more painful means, averaging more tries before they succeed.)

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    1. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The statistics prove it. This comment is so true.

    2. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by gweihir · · Score: 0

      The problem is that most people are violent deep down. The question thus becomes one of self-control and to what limit it gets tested. That is mostly an external effect, i.e. the level of provocation (sometimes real, but usually perceived only) the subject is exposed to. As you cannot measure the level of self-control, what you get is people where their normal environment often or sometimes exceeds their control and they get violent. As most people with lower control are unable to adjust that control by themselves, they will run into these situations again, given the same environment.

      Now, this is a tricky thing to predict, and it is lacking good measurement tools on both sides, so no surprise this fails.

      There is also the human fallacy promoted, e.g. by politicians and others without morals, that violent people are somehow fundamentally "different". It makes for good profits from the prison industry, gets votes for "being tough on crime" (as most voters assume, falsely, that they could never be criminals), but it completely misses the point. It is a mere parametrization issue and the sad truth is that "violent" people are just not quite able to follow the standards set by this particular society, but would possibly have been regarded as completely normal in a more violent society.

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    3. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually suicide rates collapse if you take the guns away, same as other methods of killing yourself. This is so well known even the NRA has largely stopped publishing bullshit "research" that pretends to show otherwise and goes something like

      1. Guns are so great. Everybody should buy as many as possible
      2. Conclusion: Guns, wow they're brilliant
      3: Oh yeah, also er, we measured and suicides fell 30% but that's irrelevant because of 1.

    4. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Actually suicide rates collapse if you take the guns away"

      Tell that to South Korea, as they seem to have missed that particular memo.

    5. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment is false. This comment is true.
      All replies to this comment are false.

    6. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Are you very religious?
      2. Do you live in the Middle East?

      If YES to both, then you will be involved in violent behavior.

    7. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It might be interesting to try it at predicting future violent behavior of individuals.

      So individuals can be arrested, prosecuted, judged and condemned before they commit a crime. Great world that would be.

    8. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by SuperGus · · Score: 2

      The Marshmallow Test has been used to try and assess innate levels of self-control in young kids, and I believe it strongly correlates to things like academic success. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    9. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      This is an interesting thing. It does not seem to apply to violence though as violence does not occur in regular situations, but a stressful ones. But maybe a modified version would work and finding kids with problems when making decisions under stress and tending towards violence then could be identified early on and given extra skills in self-control under those circumstances.

      This would need to be done without giving them any stigma or permanent record though, so it cannot really be done in the US these days. That society is far to much after punishing anybody "different" to the maximum extent possible, including things like schools calling the cops on young children.

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    10. Re: Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Research into human relationships shows that it is those who are lacking secure emotional ties to other humans that get violent. Dr. Gordon Neufeld has a facsinating speech on Youtube about the causes of bullying (search for "what makes a bully") which lays out the psychological issue at hand in a clear and well supported fashion.

    11. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unbelievable unreasoning bs.

    12. Re: Try predicting violent behavior. by ememisya · · Score: 1

      An Algorith That Can Predict Boring Human Behavior Better Than Boring Humans
      There, FTFY

    13. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and this is why most forensic assessors use statistical prediction models to predict probability of reoffending.

      Honestly, this headline illustrates all of the arrogant hype about this sort of thing. It's been demonstrated for decades that statistical-algorithmic models are better at predicting outcomes than people. Google "statistical versus actuarial prediction" and you'll see what I mean. Tons of meta-analyses on this issue.

      The difficulty in predicting violent behavior (or any extremely rare event) extends beyond the statistical versus actuarial prediction issue, though.

      The tricky issue is knowing what to do with these algorithmic-statistical predictions, and when to make exceptions, if ever. Algorithms and models always predict outcomes better than people do. They always have. That's not the problem.

      What this headline illustrates is arrogance, in solving a problem that was already solved, over 50 years ago, acting as if behavioral science wasn't aware of it before the big data hype of the last decade.

      Read the literature and solve some real behavioral science problems if you want to have some impact.

    14. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      The way to protect yourself from data sprongers is to use their spronging against them. Control what they see so they do what you want. If you're smart enough, you won't get caught, and they will never get data that people like you commit crimes because people like you don't get caught. Be the kind of person that doesn't get caught.

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    15. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      The above comment is true.

    16. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by G00F · · Score: 1

      (They may harm THEMSELVES, but suicide rates don't change if guns aren't available: Instead the suicidal switch to less effective and usually more painful means, averaging more tries before they succeed.)

      That is very false. Suicidal rates drop with measures preventing people from obtaining guns.(see the book More Guns Less crime) It's really the only statistic that gets better after passage of gun laws.

      In fact this is true with all methods people use for committing suicide. Even minor inconveniences like chain link fences on bridges have lowered the percentage of jumpers(taken into consideration increase population, etc)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Studies have shown that well-designed suicide barriers not only stop people from jumping at a particular site, but also decrease the overall suicide rate in the surrounding area.

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    17. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I believe that there's also a learning effect, where is someone learns that they will usually get their way if the threaten violence, they will be both more likely to threaten and more likely to engage in violence. And when you practice at something you usually get better at it, and so find it more rewarding than those that do not so practice.

      Lots and lots of feedback loops, also feedforward loops.

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    18. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am reminded of the Emo Phillips skit about the chocolate Easter Bunny. I went and found it for you.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      If you like highbrow humor, he's your man.

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    19. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd better link to this too:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Caution, for those unfamiliar, he's addictive.

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    20. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      >> It might be interesting to try it at predicting future violent behavior of individuals.

      >So individuals can be arrested, prosecuted, judged and condemned before they commit a crime. Great world that would be.

      No: So we can use the (expected) result to STOP exactly such denials of civil rights, WHICH ARE HAPPENING NOW.

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    21. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      You seem to misunderstand my point.

      Some current and proposed gun regulations disarm people for whom there is no evidence to indicate that, if they were armed, they would be more of a problem (and often there is evidence they would be LESS) than an average person.

      My expectation is that such a test would provide impartial supporting evidence that such regulations are misguided and an improper denial of civil rights.

      Meanwhile, the arrogance is not on MY part, but on the part of the people who ARE ALREADY DISARMING PEOPLE on the basis of unsubstantiated - and often disproved - psychological theories and/or political dogma.

      Of course it's science (or at least statistical processing of real-world data). Maybe it WILL find some non-trivial predictor. If so, we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

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    22. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Suicidal rates drop with measures preventing people from obtaining guns.(see the book More Guns Less crime)

      I have a strong respect for Lott's work - but haven't read all of it. This is the first time I'd heard that he was putting forth that assertion.

      It would be interesting to examine how much of the effect, if any, was an actual reduction in the suicide rate and how much, if any, was that some of the suicidal simply went to another location.

      However:

      Studies have shown that well-designed suicide barriers not only stop people from jumping at a particular site, but also decrease the overall suicide rate in the surrounding area.

      If suicide barriers go up on one high-profile site, making the act difficult there, at least some would-be suicides go to the next-lower-profile site and do it there. If it happens to be out of "the surrounding area" used in the statistics, it will look like a drop even if there is none. (This displacement has already been observed in at least one major metropolitan area on the West Coast.) Similarly, would-be suicides who switch methods and succeed may, as a result, not travel INTO "the surrounding area" to use the high-profile site in question.

      So how much, if any, of the drop in "the surrounding area" is an actual reduction in suicide counts and how much is from suicides that still did happen, but elsewhere.

      All of which begs the question: "Why are non-suicidal people being disarmed, and thus denied the right to self defence?" (Also: "Why are suicidal people being denied the right to end their lives in the manner they prefer?")

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    23. Re:Try predicting violent behavior. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I was going to say, "Well, don't be a criminal."

      Then I thought about that...

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  3. Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    (The Lenovo Trackpad ate my homework again. B-b )

    Those who study such behavior have come up with the aphorism "The only effective predictor of future violent behavior is past violent behavior." Let's see if the program can identify any other indicators.

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  4. Great more human analytics.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just what we need right? More tracking of people and their (possible) habits. That surely won't be abused, used to pre-maturely judge / fire / expel / etc someone based on their social media pages (or lack thereof)? It won't be used to serve us ever more intrusive ads by monetizing every last detail of our lives and never giving us a penny? It could never be used to create a pre-crime system ala Person of Interest's "the machine"?

    For everything these analytics programs do, I don't see much benefit from them. I DO see a fuckton of abuse. Is there any benefit to enhancing these beyond what they already are capable of beyond more privacy intrusion?

    For those who complain about the heavy-handed privacy angle, you have to admit that's where this tech will be deployed and used the most. After all what's better than real world data created by making everyone an uncompensated and unaware test subject?

    1. Re:Great more human analytics.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

      it's just what seems rather simple data analysis.

      I don't get it though how it would get the answer better than a human who should be using the same resources anyways, that is, using something like this as a resource.

      not sure what good it does for them to know if someone is dropping out of an online course or not though, like, I suppose it just checks if someone has advanced in the course in the past 3-7 days at all

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    2. Re:Great more human analytics.... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      not sure what good it does for them to know if someone is dropping out of an online course or not though, like, I suppose it just checks if someone has advanced in the course in the past 3-7 days at all

      If they're paying tuition or to take the exam then sending some kind of trigger message is obviously good for business. See also general customer retention, freemium games and so on. Everybody wants to know what customers are likely to leave them soon.

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  5. My take by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    "MIT News reports, the two most important indicators turned out to be how far ahead of a deadline the student began working on their problem set, and how much time the student spent on the course website. "

    IOW, the computer program used a more applicable approach/pertinent data and had humans had used the same algorithm/data, they would have reached the same or better results.

    1. Re:My take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW, the statisticians/programmers used a more applicable approach/pertinent data and had other humans used the same algorithm/data, they would have reached the same or better results.

      'Fixed that for you.

      That sure is a heck of a news. Some people did better at stuffs than others.

    2. Re:My take by matbury · · Score: 1

      I've seen several plugins and 3rd party services for popular learning management systems that alert teachers and/or admins to potential drop-outs before they happen. As we've seen from the MIT article, it's not actually that hard to do.

      The research on this goes back several years so this part really isn't news.

  6. Surprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is the surprise? Oh wait. That's the second factor (time on course website). Which is kind of funny as it is such a weak metric, because people might use it offline or print it and don't necessarily need to be online. On the other hand it isn't really surprising that if you don't show interest you'll drop out.

    Do we really have to read every MIT paper where they have applied an already existing theory?

  7. Overblown headline by binarstu · · Score: 5, Informative

    The headline of the Quartz article and the Slashdot summary, "An algorithm can predict human behavior better than humans", is, not surprisingly, hugely overblown.

    What these researchers actually did was develop a system for automatically taking a massive data set with a huge number of variables, identifying the subset of variables or new combinations of variables that are most likely to be useful for predicting a particular response, and then formulating a predictive model. (This is an extremely simplified summary.) That is really cool, but to present it as some sort of general "algorithm for predicting human behavior" is silly. It's no more an algorithm for predicting human behavior than are automated statistical methods for building a predictive model from a massive dataset.

    1. Re:Overblown headline by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, pretty much. Computer sorts through a massive data set, compiled and fed to it in a convenient format by... humans.

      I would be more impressed if they gave the computer eyes and it scanned people walking around and was able to spot some behavior that humans missed. But of course machine vision being what it is currently, computer might not even be able to tell a human apart from a squirrel.

    2. Re:Overblown headline by Lennie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it worked so well as the headline claimed then they wouldn't be writing articles about it, but using it to buy/sell stocks and options. ;-)

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    3. Re:Overblown headline by tomhath · · Score: 1

      In other words, they found a correlation.

  8. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but can it captcha?

    (crickets)

  9. I for one welcome by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Good! Maybe AT&T will finally use the system to realize we are sick and tired of their telemarketing calls and that we hate their slimy guts for their billing gimmicks.

    Right now they seem clueless, as if a bunch of PHB's in a room stick a wet finger in.....the air to make a GUESS that we like being annoyed and that annoying us somehow makes them more profitable.

    Robots couldn't do worse than the current marketing idiots there. Hell, give chimps a try also.

  10. No surprise by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First, most humans are not that smart, but do not know that. It is called the "Dunning-Kruger" effect and it is well-established. Apparently at least the OP is unaware of it, possibly making him a subject of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Second, a majority of humans do not use what smarts they have effectively, but rather do decide "emotionally" when it comes to important decisions or understanding important situations. That obviously works rather badly, just look at what politicians get voted into office, or what life-choices people make. The problem here is that the whole "emotional decision" apparatus is a rather primitive left-over from caveman-times that cannot handle even situations of moderate complexity well. The second problem is that most humans never find that out, as the skill for self-reflection is also rather scarce and hence cannot actively compensate.

    So give an arbitrary group of people an analysis or decision problem that somehow "touches" them (like asking students to predict whether other students fail at being students), and suddenly most of them turn into morons (or rather do not stop being morons in many cases), and even a simplistic statistic predictor does a lot better than they do.

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    1. Re:No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, a majority of humans do not use what smarts they have effectively, but rather do decide "emotionally" when it comes to important decisions or understanding important situations.

      Happiness is an emotion. If you want to be happy then you're going to need to make "emotional" decisions.

      Now, I'd agree that most people are not very skilled at understanding their emotions - analyzing the essentially infinite choices they have to predict the path that is most likely to result in their happiness. That is, most people are trapped in ignorance.

      But if you're not good at using the GPS in your car, the best course of action is not to simply rip it out and throw it out the window. Instead the best course of action is to learn how to use your GPS effectively. And, similarly, when it comes to emotions, the best course of action isn't to try to ignore them (that's like trying to ignore the feeling that you need to go to the bathroom - eventually you end up crapping your pants). Instead, the best course of action is to develop a deep understanding of your own emotions and also of the emotions of the people close to you - and to then use that understanding to make accurate predictions about the consequences of the essentially infinite choices you face as you go through your life.

    2. Re:No surprise by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Have you seen this bit here "do decide "emotionally" when it comes to important decisions or understanding important situations" in my posting? I never advised ignoring or suppressing emotion. That would not be a good idea. And on any unimportant stuff, it is quite fine to go by what you want or what your feel best with. Juts for important stuff, it is an exceedingly bad idea to proceed this way.

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    3. Re:No surprise by tlambert · · Score: 1

      It is called the "Dunning-Kruger" effect and it is well-established.

      Otherwise known as the "You kids get off my lawn, unless you have more letters after your name than I do" effect, or the "How to be a condescending expert" effect. There's a reason they won the Ig Nobel Prize in 2000 for the paper. The fundamental presumption is that, even knowing of the effect, you will not be able to avoid it, and therefore your opinion should be discarded.

    4. Re:No surprise by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Seems you have not understood at all what the research says. (No surprise. Likely you are on the left side of their plot.)

      The Ig Nobel Prize is not only for bad research. Quite a bit of good research has gotten it.

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  11. Human behavior is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOOO! MOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU HUMAN COWS!!

  12. This could spell troubles for the H u m a n by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    A different algorithm developed by yep University of Illinois researchers, also outdo humans in the sense that bots running that algorithm can predict human's next move ...

    http://www.defenseone.com/tech...

    I am not the chicken little type, but with bots which know human better than human know themselves, this could be the start of some very troubling time for the genus Homo sapien Sapien

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    1. Re:This could spell troubles for the H u m a n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A different algorithm developed by yep University of Illinois researchers, also outdo humans in the sense that bots running that algorithm can predict human's next move ...

      http://www.defenseone.com/tech...

      I am not the chicken little type, but with bots which know human better than human know themselves, this could be the start of some very troubling time for the genus Homo sapien Sapien

      This is how "The Rise Of The Machines" started... Now we are developing our future overlords who will accelerate our own demise....

      "Be kind to machines - for one day we shall work for one.."

    2. Re:This could spell troubles for the H u m a n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that link http://www.defenseone.com/tech... and noticed that the word 'terrorists' kept cropping up

      Call me a paranoid if you must but I am very worried about the future ...

      If the American government turns rogue and the American people rise up against that rogue government smart bots like this will become very handy

      Since the bots knows us better than we know ourselves, their 'confirmed kill rate' will be sky high and the ultimate consequence is that there is no way to hide

    3. Re:This could spell troubles for the H u m a n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how the comment by Taco Cowboy didn't get more points. It's definitely informative! If I had mod points I would gladly give'em to you.

  13. Re:Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by gweihir · · Score: 2

    There is one: Membership in the biological group "Homo Sapiens". Anything more accurate is just trying to stick labels on people to make them "different" and push them out of society. Some people like doing that to elevate their pathetic selves by stomping on people they perceive to be even more pathetic.

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  14. Just by looking at the title by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    It is impossible to behave as humans better than what humans can do. As far as predicting is basically simulating the given behaviour, there is nothing which can predict human behaviour better than what humans can do.

    Translation of the previous paragraph to a more-appealing language (c-biased pseudo-code):

    Function main()
    {
    behaviour = doBehaviour(true);
    predAlgorithm = doBehaviour(false);
    predHuman = doBehaviour(true);
    countAlgorithm = 0;
    countHuman = 0;

    while (all elements in behavior/predAlgorithm/predHuman)
    {
    if(behavior_item == predAlgorithm_item) countAlgorithm ++;
    else if(behavior_item == predHuman_item) countHuman ++;
    }

    If(countAlgorithm > countHuman) print “Review the whole algorithm because this result doesn’t make any sense”;
    }

    function doBehaviour(isHuman)
    {
    if(isHuman) return behave();
    else return guessHowHumansBehave();
    }

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  15. Re:Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be interesting to see if the algorithm can come up with less obvious connections.
    Say for example that there is a connection between date of birth and violent behavior, this could indicate that society treats people born in one part of the year differently, but it isn't something that one can easily guess.

    That is sort of the entire point of this. Any suggestions in the comment field or in public debate will be of things that humans can easily predict. What they are looking for is connections that weren't obvious but should be.

  16. Re:Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by gweihir · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the past, what came out of these efforts war universally horrible. Like people of a certain descendant being regarded as of low quality and better be disposed of (3rd Reich), people of a certain skin color being regarded as dumb or violent (USA, many others), etc.

    On the other hand, nothing useful was ever found. The only ethical thing is to stay away from the whole approach. It only feeds racism and similar mind-sets.

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  17. Hari Seldon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asimov had it right...

  18. Psychohistory gives more useful predictions by GbrDead · · Score: 1

    I don't think Hari Seldon is too worried for his job.

  19. Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    ... Actually suicide rates collapse if you take the guns away ...

    To all the anti-gun nuts -

    While I understand that your life is so boring that you just have to go around making up all kinds of silly lies ... but please, if you need to lie, please tell lies that are believable !

    Do you know that South Korea has a suicide rate which is more than double of that of the United States?

    Do you know Japan has a suicide rate of more than 60% higher of that of the United States?

    Unlike the Americans, average South Koreans and Japanese don't own guns

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Here is a list of countries with their respective suicide rate

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    1. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not an anti-gun nut, now that that is over you sir have absolutely failed hard. I know, math, statistics, logic... is hard, at least you tried buddy!

    2. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Sique · · Score: 2
      To the pro-gun nuts: There is a difference between the absolute suicide rate and the number of suicides that could have been avoided if private gun ownership was limited.

      There are countries with traditionally high suicide rates, and there are countries with lower rates. Even if the means available to everyone to commit suicide are the same, you still find differences in the number of suicides depending on the region. And then there is the observation that suicide rates behave similar to infection rates of a contagious disease. If in a region suicide rates increase, there is a high probability that suicide rates will increase in the immediately neighboring regions.

      Beside that, it is also known that suicidal people are belonging to different groups which use different means. People who have used for instance sleeping pills in an attempt to kill themselves will usually not throw themselves out of a window at the next opportunity, but rather try to kill themselves with sleeping pills again. And people who would use a gun to kill themselves will not jump in front of a subway train and vice versa. So yes, taking away guns would not have forced the 12,000 people in the U.S. who kill themselves with a gun each year to try to gas themselves or to die by causing a traffic accident. Instead, most of those 12,000 people won't have tried to kill themselves at all.

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    3. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not clear to me what you think you proved with that.

    4. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Full disclosure, I strongly support physician assisted suicide.

      Why would you want to prevent suicides? Not really a troll, just a bit curious - not even wanting to argue 'cause you're free to feel how you want. I just want to understand your reasoning.

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    5. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Sique · · Score: 1

      The basic idea of the grand parent poster was that suicidal persons will try to kill themselves with all means they have, and if you remove one, they will look for another. But apparently, it isn't like that. People who try to kill themselves with sleeping pills don't go for guns. And people who have a tendency to kill themselves with guns will not look for sleeping pills (yes, there are also those people who will try both, but they are very rare). It can be shown that there is a statistical correlation of the availability of a gun and the tendency to kill themselves. Now you can argue which one caused what (people who want to commit suicide might be more likely to buy guns, or people, who have guns might become more suicidal in the presence of the weapon, or both might go back to the same cause, e.g. people more afraid of the world in general could be more likely to buy guns and become suicidal at the same time).

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    6. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by Sique · · Score: 1

      More than half of all self inflicted gun deaths have been ruled as accidents and not as suicides.

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    7. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Full disclosure, I strongly support physician assisted suicide.

      Why would you want to prevent suicides?

      Because many suicides are caused by depression or other mental illness which may be only temporary, and in any case needs treating. They differ profoundly from people choosing to die to avoid being in constant agony.

      There can't be many people who haven't at some time thought "if I could just press a button and die I'd do it right now". It's why you need to make suicide a considered process rather than a snap decision, and it's one of the problems with having guns easily available, since they are pretty close to the "simply pressing a button" scenario, at least compared with swallowing loads of pills or jumping in front of a train.

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    8. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I don't necessarily agree, but that's a moot point. I don't need others to think like I do to give me an ego - I may even be wrong.

      I don't mind people in pain being given an out. I'd much prefer to minimize their pain on the way out. Yes, that includes even the depressed people. The idea of forcing people to live with pain, even temporary, doesn't sit well with me. It's interesting to hear other people's views even if they seem mostly an appeal to emotion to me. Thanks.

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    9. Re:Anti-gun nuts lie again! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      While true, that's immaterial to the question.

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  20. Most humans are suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most humans has no creative capability, and value conformity over originality, even if conformity is not imposed.

    Those of us who is not like them actually succeed and LEAD.

  21. First question, RE fair test: by tomxor · · Score: 1

    based on student interactions with resources on an online course.

    Clearly the human brain is good at interpreting a different kind of behaviour (instantaneously and visually received), not temporal behaviour of interaction with a machine presented as a spreadsheet. Given the type of information and unintuitive presentation for the human brain, the question is: did the humans have as long with the training data as the ANN? I'm guessing not, but i suppose the competition does at least prove it's utility over an untrained human rather than to purely serve as publicity.

    This is the sort of task we should expect artificial NN to be good at, because currently they are many orders of magnitude slower and smaller than biological NN, so their strength will be in artificial esoteric tasks that the human brain has not evolved (optimised) for.

  22. What a sensationalist headline. by Inyu · · Score: 1

    We had long known that given a feature set, computers can automatically fit a pretty good model. Now, can they automaticall extract this feature set and data without humans?

  23. NO SURPRISES HERE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Online gambling sites already know this and prepared to put their money up front to hook loosers.
    They also quickly recognize when to black ban punters who seem to be professional real fast!

    I suspect porn sites have you covered too, although I am not experienced. Are either different from amazon after you browse for baby items?
    Prey on gullible and vulnerable has not changed at all, and they need less people to figure out who - a refinement n Nigerian scammers who rely on volume to lure suckers in.

    1. Re:NO SURPRISES HERE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > put their money up front to hook loosers.

      Who are these people that you claim are not tight, and how does the gambling site make money off of these not tight people?

  24. Hello, I'm Microsoft Dave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your wife will betray you tomorrow at 2:00 clock while you're at work.

  25. Re:Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by dargaud · · Score: 2

    connection between date of birth and violent behavior

    Let's divide the duration of the year in say, 12 periods, and give it a scientific sounding name, for instance Astrology...

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  26. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But only within the confines of the experiment. Alas, human beings and life on earth are capricious and don't always act in alignment with spontaneous words after reflection has informed a course of action a bit more. Intelligence isn't consciousness, and data collation isn't critical thinking. It would be a slippery slope to presume otherwise and abdicate responsibility for our lives snd thinking. Look no further than corporations flip-flopping around like scared, dying fish in the early days of the web, they got their asses kicked and it's because they presumed infallability in their approaches. This is nonsense. And i won't register here until there is a way for users to delete accounts. ;)

  27. A stick with a bt of metal on the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can drive nails into wood better than humans. I, for one, welcome our new hammer overlords.

  28. I assume that all you have to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look for things that correlate. Aren't there statistical functions that will give you that.

  29. Normal humans predict badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many cases where a baby rolling dice will outperform the average human in predicting decisions.

  30. Re:Lenovo trackpad ate my homework again. B-b by HiThere · · Score: 1

    There are correlations with the time of year someone was born and later actions or reactions. Frequently this is attributed to the prevalence of the flu at certain times of year, or how old the child was relative to the other kids in their class. The evidence for causation, however, is usually as weak as that of astrology, even though the explanations do make currently acceptable sense.

    Don't be too quick to deny patterns noticed by our ancestors, even if you doubt the reasons that they attributed to them. (OTOH, astrology was mainly about when to plant crops. Personal astrology never seems to have been very accurate, even if the Babylonians did use it to tell the king when to change is clothes.)

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  31. Looking for other correlations. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    In the past, what came out of these efforts war universally horrible.

    What I'm expecting, or at least hoping for, is for this impartial algorithm to fail to identify any strong predictors (other than previous history of initiated violence). Or at least not find anything far enough above statistical noise to be used as an excuse for government to deny a person the fundamental rights to self-defence from threat to life or limb - (either individual threats or a government disarming its own opposition before implementing tyranny or genocide.)

    If it turns out that history of initiated violence is the ONLY substantial predictor it can find, that would argue for the only reason for abridging a person's RKBA would be "Ajudicated, by a court of competent jurisdiction, as being a danger to others, on the basis of a history of unjustified violent attacks against innocent parties." Even most RKBA advocates can get behind that. (Of those that don't, their reasoning would be things like: "We can't allow a potentially tyrannical government ANY excuse to, through malice or incompetence, disarm its potential righteous opposition." or "If this guy really IS a danger to others he should still be in jail or committed to a mental institution.)

    If it DOES find some strong predictor, we'd then have some decent data on which to discuss what, if anything, should be done about "risky people". That's FAR better than the current laws and proposals, which amount to disarming people (and thus denying them a civil right) arbitrarily, on the basis of unsubstantiated - and so far proven incorrect - fads among the mental-health segment of the medical community and various political factions.

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    1. Re:Looking for other correlations. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      It will find a predictor. Not a strong one, but enough to make politics. And that predictor will only be there because of junk-science or intentional manipulation. But one will be found, as that is the main reason to do such research. Negative results have never ever been used sensibly. They usually were just ignored and the research repeated until the desired results have been found.

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  32. Prediction vs Explaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dumb statistical correlations without real explanations are not science, and only politicians with an ideological bent can support them. Models and AI discriminators are no more than correlations. They are inductive, not instructive. I suggest you read about Russell's chicken. The chicken got fed every day and deductively formed the model of the farmers behavior, that the farmer was benign and loved chickens. The next day the farmer wrung the chicken's neck. So much for inductive reasoning. That chicken needed a better explanation for the farmer's behavior. So does that algorithm.

  33. Fake arguing - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who's behind gun control. same tribe that has trillions in weapons. all the 'school shootings' are false flags so was 'boston marathon' bs. Trolls dumb down the situation. Many posts are also computer generated fakes. Know who owns you. .- thezog.info
    holo fraud - https://archive.org/details/TheLeuchterReport
    http://jewishcrimenetworkdid911.blogspot.com - that too.
    holodomorinfo.com - see pages don't waste time on videos, sites even 'jew truther' sites run by them so you sit 'reading' or 'follow'.
    Know who is behind the schemes. copy links, give to others.

    also - have click show all comments button - and also slide bar over at top to see all posts. have to do Both to see all posts. notice what they hide. see hidden posts at top