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Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance (dailydot.com)

Researchers from BYU recently took a survey of internet users (PDF), mostly from the U.S., to determine how they balanced opinions of security and privacy. They found, perhaps surprisingly, that over 90% of users are fine with somebody snooping their encrypted traffic, so long as they were informed of the snooping. Most of them also supported legislation requiring notification and/or consent. "Most respondents also agreed that employers should be able to monitor the encrypted Internet connections of employees even without notification or consent, especially when an employee used a company computer. There was less agreement when it came to employees using personal devices; approximately a third of respondents opposed surveillance in that case."

That said, "Despite accepting surveillance in a number of situations, 60 percent of respondents said that they would react negatively if they discovered that a network they currently use employed TLS proxies." The study also found 4.5% of participants were "jaded" toward the state of privacy and security on the internet, feeling that their traffic is already monitored, and that the government would circumvent whatever technologies we put in place to protect it. The researchers say this group "once cared about these issues but has lost all hope and has largely given up on ever achieving a secure world."

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  1. Unsurprising, really by willworkforbeer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance

    Offer them a free webcam and $1.99/minute and they'll drop ... all pretense.

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    1. Re:Unsurprising, really by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance

      Offer them a free webcam and $1.99/minute and they'll drop ... all pretense.

      But, what about the panties?

      One last time: What you wear while watching is entirely up to you.

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    2. Re:Unsurprising, really by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Modern pop culture is all about celebrity. Now everyone is a celebrity because people are watching them. So this is a good thing by today's warped standards. How many of the children who want to be monitored everywhere they go and everything they do ever read 1984 or any other literature that warns of excessive state power and control? When you can just watch YouTube and do FaceBook all day, there isn't much time left to read dusty old books.

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  2. first godwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hitler also got to power because most people were "fine with it."

    1. Re:first godwin by poofmeisterp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hitler also got to power because most people were "fine with it."

      ..and they were fine with it because they were falling into a bad economic depression, and were in the "anything that can possibly save us from this poor life is fine" mood. See: topic. If there were no other option; literally NO other option fed to peoples' minds to "find them thare turr'ists" other than having full access to ALL Internet traffic, let's say, I wager most (never 100%) all would bend and approve.

      Addendum I: No, even having full access to ALL information won't help the gub'mint find them; they're hiding by LYING and STRIKING.
      Addendum II: There are other ways of communicating other than the Internet. It's just easier and faster.

    2. Re:first godwin by jandersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That may well be true, but I think this discussion misses the point somewhat. A lot of people genuinely don't care all that much. When you are young, you imagine that 'the authorities' are out to get you, because you don't realise you are probably not all that interesting to them. When you get older, you discover that most of what you do is utterly ignored by the police, government, secret services etc. There's far too much RELEVANT information as it is, and far too few police officers, secret agents etc. I mean, when you can hardly even get the police to come and take up a report on a burglary, why expect that they would spend much energy snooping on your online traffic? If they do, it is in the hope that they can employ automatic filters to discard most of it.

      When you get to my age, you realise that most of what you've done is pretty normal, and that you simply don't give a hoot if others know about it.

    3. Re:first godwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not about you.

      That's what people don't get. Nobody gives a shit about you. It's about control and power. If I know everything about everyone, it gives me an unbelievable amount of power.

      So even if you are as clean as the driven snow, and even if nobody in power ever takes an interest in you, you're still as vulnerable as the rest of us to the type of tyranny this enables. And God forbid you ever do raise the interest of "the authorities," because even if you are as clean as the driven snow (unlikely), they can still find a way to f### you up royally if they know every single thing about you.

      But as I said, it's not about you. It's about US. That's why most people don't get it.

  3. They don't understand what it means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't confuse ignorance with acceptance.

    1. Re:They don't understand what it means by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't confuse ignorance with acceptance.

      Yes, exactly. I came here to post this. The issue is that people are short-sighted and have limited imagination. Everyone thinks this stuff is done to catch "bad guys". They don't consider themselves a possible target.

      People are okay with their employer snooping on their Internet traffic at work. Would they be okay if information gathered during that snooping were a factor in their next performance review? I would hope not. But it's not framed that way and they don't look at it that way.

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    2. Re:They don't understand what it means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm thinking it might be an issue with the wording.

      For example, I'm against dragnet gathering of information. I'm against unwarranted snooping and such. What I want and what I'd accept is getting a third party to authorize it on their name in a case by case basis. Ya' know. A Warrant. In many cases where they could have gotten one after the fact, they didn't bother. This is why I'm against it. I'm also against agencies tracking behavior for ad revenue. I'd say I hate that more than anything else. Even if nothing comes of it, I consider it an unwarranted dragnet approach, where it can become an easy vector for other agencies to know more about me when I don't want them to know about me.

    3. Re:They don't understand what it means by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, this has been working a long time now. It started years back with the then "controversial" types of things like cameras in the elementary school rooms, and then more and more.

      They have gotten kids used to be monitored.

      And now we see the results. It goes well with the old saying:

      "What one generation accepts....the following generations embrace."

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    4. Re:They don't understand what it means by ArylAkamov · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wish we could edit posts on here.

      http://www.vanityfair.com/news...

      According to Robbins’s lawyer, “the district photographed Robbins 400 times during a 15-day period last fall, sometimes as he slept in bed or was half-dressed. [...] Other times, the district captured screen shots of instant messages or video chats the Harriton High School sophomore had with friends.”

      Creepy fucks.

  4. Land of the free? Home of the brave? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?

    Essentially your liberty and freedom have been traded away to allow your government to watch everything you do as long as they pretend to be keeping you safe?

    In 30 years we've gone from Americans making "papers please, comrade" jokes to fully embracing being constantly monitored for their own protection.

    That's pretty damned pathetic.

    Land of the free, home of the brave ... not so much.

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  5. The questions were oddly techincal by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They should have stuck to very very simple questions if they were talking to a low information survey pool.

    Questions like:
    Do you want the government reading everyone's email?
    Do you mind if corporations know your every activity on the internet?

    Avoid the technical crap. Just keep it very very simple.

    *drops mic and walks*

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    1. Re:The questions were oddly techincal by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you mind if corporations know your every activity on the internet?

      Given what people put on Facebook, the answer is no, they don't mind.

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  6. The concept is not that difficult by rtkluttz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in network security, but I'm also highly sensitive to snooping and privacy issues. If you own it, you should be able to see the traffic. If you own the home or business network and home or business computer, then you should be able to see what is going on within that network and computer regardless of who is using it. I do need to draw a huge distinction between a privately owned systems and networks versus systems that qualify as service or carrier networks. If you sell or re-sell bandwidth then you should NOT have ability to view that traffic. On a similar note, encryption should be able to be used against the owner of devices. All encrypted traffic generated from apps/services on a device should be viewable clear-text by the owner of the device. Too often nowadays, encryption is used to the detriment of owners. Same goes for computer code. i.e. the Volkswagen scandel. Owners should have the option to see and review everything that occurs in their devices. That (transparency) is the *** ONLY *** way that companies will ever stop doing what they do.

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  7. A few points by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Informative

    (1) Most people don't understand the full ramifications of breaking encryption. If they knew the 'snoopers' could impersonate them, steal their accounts, etc, they likely would have responded differently.
    (2) In no situation was the majority of respondents in favor of 'snooping' without notification
    (3) Only in workplaces, schools and libraries were the majority willing to accept 'snooping' without consent (but with notification).
    (4) The majority were against government surveillance, even with notification and consent.

    IMHO, most things should be legal, with appropriate notification and informed consent of those who might be negatively affected.

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  8. I accept my employer's right by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My employer owns my work machine and supplies the network it's connected to. I accept that the employer's right to monitor his own equipment and network.

    However, that's a FAR cry from accepting internet surveillance. In fact, I never attach any of my personal devices to my employer's network precisely because I do not accept the surveillance of my own equipment.

  9. I think i know why by burtosis · · Score: 3

    The real reasons against mass surveillance with minimal secret oversight have seldom if ever been pointed out to or thought about by your average American.

    I've talked to many family, friends, co-workers, and acquaintances and they all say the same thing in general - "I'm not that interesting so it really dosent matter." Neither am I but while true it's far from the problem. The problem is while mass surveillance has always existed, it so pervasive, massive, and easily accessable from databases that it is a game changer for doctoring the entire political and financial climate of the United States.

    They have incriminating material on every last CEO, judge, congressman, president, senator, and even on down to the mayor of the random city of your choice. They can, and I have no doubt are already implementing, blackmailing, schemeing and conspiracies against the public. Take a look at the reaction of the whole European MP data collection.
    But it goes beyond that. Knowing absolutely the political preferences alone is bad, far worse than the intrusive data collection ubiquitous today in both parties. In fact without serious and public oversight this type of system is a far bigger threat to American (and every country with any freedoms left) democracy than any terrorist group ever could be.

  10. Slashdot is really stepping up the propaganda. by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've got at least a weekly "feel bad because you're male and you work in the computer field" article, and we mostly flame those, but we've come to expect them.

    Now we're getting the opinion poll to manipulate opinion.

    I miss the real / old Slashdot that exposed shit like this instead of propagating it.

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  11. Title broken... by Lumpy · · Score: 4

    Very Dumb Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance.

    FTFY

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  12. Never trust a survey by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never trust a survey where they do not disclose the exact questions being asked of the participants, whether it supports your belief or discredits it. What is asked is often as important as who is being asked (the demographics of the questioner is important too). All of these factors can and have been manipulated by the survey-takers in order to reach a desired conclusion (and sometimes it is not even being done purposefully).

    In this case, it sounds like the questions of the survey (there is no full list but a few hints scattered throughout the PDF) were intentionally difficult for people to understand unless they had a grounding in the topic - computers, encryption, networking and security - being discussed. People tend to turn off their brain when confronted with this level of complexity and assume that the authorities who do understand this sort of thing have our best interests at heart (it seems built into the human psyche). Likely had the questions been more grounded - e.g., "do you think the government should be able to read any and all of your private mails, be it electronic or paper?" the results would have been different.