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Doomsday Vault Opens To Give Seeds To Syria (cnn.com)

pabloApicco sends word that the The Svalbard Global Seed Vault has opened up in order to give seeds to Syrian scientists who had to relocate their research due to the war. CNN reports: "Known as the 'Doomsday Vault,' this seed bank — operated by the Norwegian government and containing a seed of just about every known crop in the world — is meant to be humanity's backup in the event of a catastrophe that devastates crops. But it was not a natural disaster that has caused scientists to have to dip in and make the first significant withdrawal from the vault. Rather, it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war. The bloody conflict in Syria has left scientists at an important gene bank in Aleppo -- where new strains of drought- and heat-resistant wheat have been developed over time -- unable to continue their work in recent years. With no sign of conditions in Syria improving, scientists have begun recovering their critical inventory of seeds, sourced from around the Fertile Crescent and beyond, that have been in safekeeping beneath the Arctic ice."

101 comments

  1. Too early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll all die underfoot of the fleeing masses!

    1. Re:Too early by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Not enough democracy introduced - Obama failed to send more bohmbehrs so Vladi has to help. The world is all gone mad.

  2. Re:Republucans hate the vault by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    wrong, they loooove the vault. Monsanto and Syngenta are big contributors, as well as Bill Gates Foundation.

    http://www.abc.net.au/environm...

  3. ... To Give Seeds [Back] to Syria. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The seeds are being returned to Syria, who sent them to the Global Seed Vault as a precaution. From TFA:

    The ICARDA Aleppo center had sent nearly 80% of the seeds and samples to the Global Seed Vault as a backup by 2012, with its last deposit being in 2014.

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    1. Re:... To Give Seeds [Back] to Syria. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its really more of a "restore from backup" than a "Doomsday Vault gives away specific seeds" situation.

      "Do you guys still have those seeds we sent you from our last round of research?" "Um... We lost ours... can we have some of them back?"

    2. Re:... To Give Seeds [Back] to Syria. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Article title is fearmongery. Should have just read "Famous Vault Works as Theorized." Then it would just be clickbaitery.

      You're right, it's simply a freaking withdrawal, not a last chance at survival solution.

  4. Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by pabloApicco · · Score: 2

    Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is: http://www.gosur.com/doomsday-...

    1. Re:Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Look out! I think the orange marker of the rectangle with the triangle in it is the last known location of a gelatinous cube with a partially-dissolved shield in it.

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    2. Re:Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you crazy? If you tell everyone where it is, the Muzzies will target it for destruction.

    3. Re:Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by pabloApicco · · Score: 1

      hehehe.. hope they don't!

  5. Lebanon by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    The knowledge that there is any human who would attack these scientists sickens me. Why isn't there a well known sign, like the red cross for medical workers, that announces and protects humanitarian science?

    Also Lebanon isn't particularly stable. It seems odd to me they would re-open in a war-torn nation right next door.

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    1. Re:Lebanon by idji · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These people destroy monuments, critically endangered birds northern Bald ibis, and anything that stands in their apocalyptic way, except of course Toyota pickups, infidel weapons and young girls. They don't need no scientists helping them - ridding the world of the infidel will give them Allah's blessing, and presumably feed them.

    2. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is war, in a quite different society. A well known sign like a red cross just designates a valuable target with the purpose of damaging morale.

      ROE are for the "good guys".

    3. Re:Lebanon by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      yes, they behead people for thinking different than they do, they destroy anything that is not in belief with the koran, they kill medical workers already

      do you REALLY think they give a damn about scientists? They are animals

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    4. Re:Lebanon by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are no civilians to these people. The red cross, humanitarian aid workers, journalists, and others are just more notable targets for them to hit. They will generate even more media attention and are thus more valuable.

    5. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why isn't there a well known sign, like the red cross for medical workers, that announces and protects humanitarian science?

      The Doctors Without Borders went as far as sending their coordinates and the US bombed their hospital anyway. If you think a symbol would protect infidel research you have more faith in man than the IS in Allah.

    6. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, us was the only country ever to bomb a couple of aid workers.

    7. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intent matters, like your pathetic trolling attempts.

    8. Re:Lebanon by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not trolling in the slightest. some people cant be reasoned with. and those people are destroying things in their own cities. they dont care about people

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    9. Re:Lebanon by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder if ISIS has become something of a psychopath magnet. Not allowed to murder and torture people at home without ending up in big trouble for being a serial killer? Fly to sunny Syria where you can rape murder and torture to your hearts content with fellow like minded sociopaths from around the world.

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    10. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Psychopaths are as apathetic and lazy as the rest of us, on average. While violent people are much more likely to be psychopaths, only a very small number of psychopaths are physically violent. (Torturing animals as a kid is a strong indicator of psychopathy, but few psychopaths torture animals. They usually have better things to do, like steal toys or bang the neighbor's daughter.)

      I'd be curious what the percentage is, though. I could see it both ways:

      1) Fewer foreign psychopaths as a percentage of the emigrant population because you really need to be passionate about ISIS ideology to take on that risk, and maybe psychopaths, lacking empathy (the sine qua non of psychopathy), are less capable of that particular kind of passion. Without empathy I suspect one would care less about inclusion into a community. Part of community is the shared identity.**

      2) More foreign psychopaths because they're less phased by the gore, and a small but consequential number perhaps even attracted to it. And because psychopaths typically are less risk adverse than the average person.

      If we cast our net wider to all anti-social personality disorders*** then, yeah, I'd bet there's a strong correlation.

      ** I recently read an interesting article distinguishing the ability to consciously feel an emotion vs lacking the emotion altogether. So, for example, a psychopath would lack empathy altogether. Kill a baby in front of them and their physiological (including neurological) response would be as-if you just cut a vegetable in half. Some autistics, by contrast, including high-functioning autistics, are unable to _feel_ empathy, though the physiological indicators are still present, effecting their physical and mental state.

      *** I know the DSM doesn't distinguish psychopathy from anti-social personality disorder, but AFAIU most psychologists distinguish them, at least in the abstract. But 1) it's a difficult, imprecise diagnosis (almost all classical psychopaths have the same physical brain abnormality, but not all people with that abnormality lack empathy or exhibit psychopathy) , 2) because most psychopaths get along in society more-or-less without much trouble, you're not going to see them as often, 3) when a psychopath does get in trouble, he probably also has other issues, including other anti-social personality disorders.

    11. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lebanon was war torn in the 80s. You might want to update your knowledge of the Middle East. Is post links to strengthen my argument but I'm on mobile and there is only so much I'm willing to do to educate people on the Internet.

      And yes, I know what I'm talking about. I deal a lot with Lebanon and Lebanese companies.

    12. Re:Lebanon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people destroy monuments, critically endangered birds northern Bald ibis, and anything that stands in their apocalyptic way, except of course Toyota pickups, infidel weapons and young girls. They don't need no scientists helping them - ridding the world of the infidel will give them Allah's blessing, and presumably feed them.

      You rate this hysterical drive "Insightful"?
      WTF is wrong with you, /. ?

    13. Re:Lebanon by dave420 · · Score: 2

      They're not "their own cities" any more than you would consider Swansea your city. ISIS are an absolute mess of people, in practically every way conceivable, but let's not pretend they're the only group killing medical workers while pretending to be righteous...

  6. tpp will shut it down as it had the regrow ones in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And not the buy each year ones

  7. [citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war

    Yeah. I'll buy that for a dollar.

  8. If you think war is preventable by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then you've never studied history, nor do you understand how humanity functions.

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    1. Re:If you think war is preventable by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

      War is completely preventable. Just like I don't kill my neighbour for his wares, people don't need to kill other people for their wares. It's just a bunch of stubbourn greedy idiots with fucked up ideals.

    2. Re:If you think war is preventable by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

      History only tells us that many wars have been fought (note: past tense), and for what reasons. No doubt religion and conflicts over scarce resources are high on the list. Studying history helps to understand how wars are started, why people participate in them, how they are kept going, etc, etc.

      But that doesn't invalidate the simple fact: in order to end a war, the only thing people have to do, is to stop fighting. Yeah in practice it may not seem much of a choice for some people involved, but it's a choice nonetheless. Choose to stop fighting, and if everybody does the same, the war is over.

    3. Re:If you think war is preventable by tolydude · · Score: 0

      War is not preventable - rather it is an everlasting tool of last resort to prevent any other undesired action of an adversary.

    4. Re:If you think war is preventable by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Then you've never studied history, nor do you understand how humanity functions.

      I have studied history, and I think war is preventable. There is far less war in the world today than at any other time in history. There are wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, but these are very small wars by historical standards. The ceasefire appears to be holding in Ukraine. There are no imminent conflicts anywhere else in the world.

      If you look at the reasons for the decline in warfare, all the indicators are moving in the right direction. Globalization and international rules for trade mean that if you lack resources, you don't have to take them by force. You can just buy them. The UN and international arbitration courts provide an alternative dispute mechanism, and have settled many disagreements that could have led to conflict. War is seen as less and less legitimate.

    5. Re:If you think war is preventable by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You assume that, given a land area the size of the earth and a large population, power will not concentrate with individuals, leading to social behaviors producing crime, political arguments, and international interactions which inevitably end in shows of force.

      You may as well say you, as a human, have never *wanted* a think your neighbor has, or had sexual desired for another woman before you met or after you married your wife. You may moderate your responses, but they happen; others don't moderate their responses as much.

      It is easiest to obtain power by uniting the goals and thinking of a people. It is easiest to increase and retain that power by directing their attention to an external threat and positioning yourself as the source of protection from that threat. Having done so, you can direct their actions to destroy that threat, thus war.

    6. Re:If you think war is preventable by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Well you know this is always the same story - it could have worked if not for the reality.
      It is like it is theoretically possible that all oxygen molecules in the room you are in now will move to the others side of it letting you suffocate. This is extremely unlikely but a remote possibility exists. For all practical purposes we can assume that this will never happen to anybody. The same with war or violence in general - it will cease to exist when last human dies.

    7. Re:If you think war is preventable by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You outed yourself to be an american.
      Perhaps you should google how many wars we have right now on the planet?
      The ceasefire appears to be holding in Ukraine.
      Is that meant to be a joke?

      FYI: we have right now about 30 wars on this planet and about 420 conflicts with blood shed.

      This decade is the bloodiest since WWII!

      No idea where you get your ideas from.

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    8. Re:If you think war is preventable by umghhh · · Score: 2

      What about Yemen.
      Or Nigeria? Or Democratic Republic of Congo? What about war on drugs? There are persistent, low level war like situations from Mexico all the way down to South America. Turkey is in a perpetual up and down of violence between the state and Kurds. There is in fact no day without people being killed in war. The war is not all out industrial enterprise of this little painter from Vienna these days because of dominance of big actors but the war is being wedged all the same. The tools of war are cheap and financing is available so you can buy your fighters for some few million dollars and hoopla - you got yourself a war all for you alone.

    9. Re:If you think war is preventable by Calydor · · Score: 1

      There are 6 billion units of food.

      There are 8 billion humans.

      Each human needs one unit of food to not die.

      Guess what happens.

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    10. Re:If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We make more food. There is literally zero food-producing capacity problem.

      The only problem is a society that literally pays people to NOT make food, and "waters down" food in such a way that makes it so stupidly unhealthy to consume because your body freaks out at such a lack of nutrients in something that quite clearly should be full of nutrients.

      Our body relies heavily on ratios, everything is ratios. Screw those ratios up persistently leads to huge failures in your bodily processes, which is the reason most illness occurs.
      From a large number of easily preventable cancers to huge weight gain, or even simple things like regular coughs or headaches. (headaches is ridiculously simple to prevent, drink more water damn it)

      We could feed well over 15 BILLION people if we actually farmed properly and at full capacity.
      And that is feeding people at an average reasonable developed countries standards. (actual healthy normal eating that is, not offensively large meals)
      People underestimate just how SHIT traditional farming is, it isn't even remotely efficient. It is a baseline at best.
      We are more than capable of doing it.
      We won't due to a broken society and traditionalists.

    11. Re:If you think war is preventable by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This decade is the bloodiest since WWII!

      Nope. Not even close. See here for some people who have actually been toting up the numbers: http://www.undispatch.com/good...

      Their latest figures (2012, 2013) leave out Syria because it's undoubtedly impossible to get any kind of a count there at the moment (and that's why they didn't chart them). But if we assume as many people are dying in Syria as everyplace else combined, we still get a figure one-tenth the peak in the 1970s.

      No idea where you get your ideas from.

      Now you know. Where are you getting yours from seems to be the question.

    12. Re:If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nothing to do with wares. You're confusing "war" with "mugging on a large scale". It's not like that.

      War - all wars ever fought, without exception - is about one very simple question: who gets to live where?

      To prevent wars, you'd need to (1) ensure that nobody feels they've been screwed out of land that they're somehow entitled to, and (2) stop the population from growing any further at that point. Good luck with achieving either of those.

    13. Re:If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If we look at some of the worst atrocities:

      1) Holocaust
      2) Mao's Cultural Revolution
      3) Killing Fields of Cambodia
      4) Rwanda

      None of these involved scarce resources. Rather, they precipitated scarce resources, yet in none of those situations did the society then make war with other societies. Usually when you lack such resources you're in a very poor position to make war.

      There have been many wars _purportedly_ about scarce resources. The Iraq Wars being two of the most recent and prominent. But predictably they resulted in the price of oil increasing, not decreasing.

      I think it's fairly obvious that war is about social power. It's a _fact_ that war is never necessarily about scarcity of resources, because modern economics tells us that trade is far more effective. I'd put the onus on somebody else to identify a war which was sincerely initiated because of a clear and present lack of basic resources, not simply predicated on abstract beliefs about the need to secure such resources for future benefit.

    14. Re:If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget with #2 that you need to somehow distribute the right to reproduce fairly--if there is a suspicion that you are possibly using it as a way to perform ethnic cleansing or otherwise rid the world of opposition to you, and/or giving yourself and your supporters greater 'right' to offspring than others, you will have failed.

      This can be done, however.

      Kill everybody .

      If you want no more wars on Earth ever, make that everything. Scour the planet completely of every last bit of life. Leave little chance of it returning.

      Nothing short of this will work, and there'd be absolutely no question about fairness, compared to any plan that involves concentrating power within the hands of a group of people or (re)distribution of resources.

    15. Re:If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've studied history and psychology--I'm actually very interested in the reasons why the hell people did what to us seems like insanely stupid shit in the past. (If you understand what they were thinking...it sometimes makes sense.)

      The problem is that these very same dispute mechanisms are roughly as good as a judge--and if the judge has already made public statements about how he hopes to see you die in a deliberately bungled execution, are you going to trust him as an arbiter under any circumstances?

      Any arbitration mechanism is only as good as all sides' ability to trust it to provide a mutually-acceptable solution, that all sides will abide by it, and that if it becomes patently obvious that someone is dealing in bad faith you can do something useful about it.

      War is a legitimate and useful mechanism for encouraging all parties to STFU and keep their agreement. Going back perpetually to the negotiating table encourages bad behavior, especially if you can get more concessions--did your studies of history cover the whole mess of danegeld? (How did they manage to apparently skip the track record of appeasement?)

    16. Re: If you think war is preventable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to kill for warez. Share and share alike man!

    17. Re:If you think war is preventable by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Is that meant to be a joke?

      Why should it be? An acquaintance of mine is an officer in the Ukrainian army, he also told me a few days ago that right now the civil war is indeed coming to naught, probably because Russia is too busy in Syria to assist the rebels.

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    18. Re:If you think war is preventable by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Then you've never studied history, nor do you understand how humanity functions.

      Furthermore, there are those who say that the war in Syria was caused by climate change, the very threat that the seed bank was designed to protect against.

      In fact, how would a climate-change caused armed conflict look like? Would it be obvious?

      Though I firmly believe in human-accelerated climate change, I thought that the loonies who claimed that the Syrian conflict was cause by it seemed to be looking for problems to pin on climate change. However, I'm now starting to think that it's partially possible. Syrian demographics took a sharp turn in 2005-2007 when drought pushed a lot of the rural communities into cities. Now, we have overflowing cities and less food in them. This was known at the time, I remember about 2007-2008 there was talk about this possibly causing discord in Syria, which us Israelis take seriously, especially as it was only shortly after our 2006 problems with Lebanon. Sure enough, war in Syria broke out. Now, the "real spark" of the violence was in Daara a few years later due to political oppression, but things had been simmering for years and during that time the drought did not abide by much.

      Did climate change cause the drought? Maybe. Did the drought move people into the cities? Yes. Did the drought mean that less food was available? Yes. Did less food and crowded cities mean that people were more willing to oppose their oppressors? That might be a long stretch, but it's plausible.

      By the way, the _current_ war in Syria has nothing to do with the war that started in Daara. But it was an evolution, I personally place the border between the two stages of the conflict when the Libyans started going to Syria to fight.

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    19. Re:If you think war is preventable by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'd love to share your Utopia, but I'm not a sheep.

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    20. Re:If you think war is preventable by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You're aware that the stock market crashed and Germany was fucked and the Jewish people controlled the debt, right? (Note, this is not a statement about Jews being bad or anything, just a statement of reality.) Hitler predicted this in his book, he wrote that after a failed coup attempt. It happened. People listened. They already didn't like the Jewish people but now they were also broke. They elected Hitler, democratically, and he had emphatically stated he'd deal with the Jewish problem.

      The Holocaust was, very much, because of scarcity. Specifically, few goods and lots of worthless money.

      I'll stop there but you can go through the rest and rethink your statement if you want.

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    21. Re:If you think war is preventable by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You'd make things easier for yourself if you stopped grouping massive groups of people together for no reason other than convenience. "Us Israelis", "we", "our", etc. don't help, as you are describing millions of people with vastly differing opinions and experiences. There is no way you can be correct in your assertions, which hurts any point you were trying to make (a point with which I agree, by the way).

    22. Re:If you think war is preventable by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I lump all Israelis together because the situation in Syria is important to all Israelis. Whether you are a Druze on the Golan Heights, or a Muslim tech worker in Tel Aviv, or a Jewish scholar in Jerusalem, or a Christian metalworker in Haifa, the conflict in Syria might one day suddenly spill over into your daily life.

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    23. Re:If you think war is preventable by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually I googled a bit around, and the first links I found a day ago confirm my statement, as it is based on those links.

      Perhaps it was exaggerated as the Vietnam war was quite bloody, nevertheless this and the previous year are quite bloody.

      Your link ... btw ... is more than a year old.

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    24. Re:If you think war is preventable by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Actually I googled a bit around, and the first links I found a day ago confirm my statement, as it is based on those links.

      And those links would be...?

      Your link ... btw ... is more than a year old.

      Which doesn't mean it's wrong.

    25. Re:If you think war is preventable by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Which doesn't mean it's wrong.
      Ofc it means that. It might have been right over a year ago. It says nothing about today ;D

      I guess for google-ing we or I have to google again.

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  9. beneath the Arctic Ice? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Troll

    >> have been in safekeeping beneath the Arctic Ice

    Wait, I thought all that was melting because the sky is falling.

    >> it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war

    Do you have a suggestion to improve gender-equity in disasters?

    1. Re:beneath the Arctic Ice? by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      >> have been in safekeeping beneath the Arctic Ice

      Wait, I thought all that was melting because the sky is falling.

      Correct.

      When the ice melts due to global warming, the formerly-arctic area will be sub-tropical. They'll just take the top off the vault, letting in the sunshine and warm rain to start growing all the crops. No need to transport them around the world. :-)

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  10. If you know how to prevent war, then please do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF are you waiting for?

  11. Was she a Shatner? by meerling · · Score: 1

    The narrator for that article sounded like she grew up on Shatner Overacting Tapes. She really needs to learn to talk normal, especially if she's going to keep reporting on the news.

  12. Good attitude. by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

    This is a good position for the Doomsday Vault to take. "Send us samples for both the protection of our entire planet, and whatever area they came from originally, because we can always send them back." This is one of those uncommon cases where there is a clear benefit at every level for being altruistic. I just hope they don't return all of them, lest there be another loss and then nobody has any.

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    1. Re:Good attitude. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      And of course, seeing if the seeds they sent back out are still viable is good too. I mean, we're talking backups here. And part of a good backup is knowing that your backup is restorable and leaves things the way you expect after they are restored.

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    2. Re:Good attitude. by xaxa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And of course, seeing if the seeds they sent back out are still viable is good too. I mean, we're talking backups here. And part of a good backup is knowing that your backup is restorable and leaves things the way you expect after they are restored.

      That's a big part of the research at the Millennium Seed Bank in England, which has a much wider remit (all plants!) but stores much smaller quantities of seed per species. (Svarlbard has sacks full, the MSB may have as few as 10 or 100.)

      The MSB has 13% of species banked so far. Withdrawals have been made, generally to "repair" areas devastated by mining etc.

      http://www.kew.org/science-con...

    3. Re: Good attitude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, maybe they should wait a bit longer. Isn't the area still a war zone?

    4. Re: Good attitude. by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      They're not going to attempt to continue the work in Syria.

      The seeds are being planted at new facilities in Lebanon and Morocco, allowing scientists to resume the important research they've been doing for decades, away from the barrel bombs of Aleppo.

      This just lets them continue somewhere else, even though they can't get their existing stock back. Presumably, their cross-breeding experiments will be set back somewhat, but it probably won't take as long to replicate as it did to do the first time around. (I assume someone remembers most, if not all, of the critical details.)

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    5. Re:Good attitude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of those uncommon cases where there is a clear benefit at every level for being altruistic.

      Really? Then please explain their business plan.

      Altruism is by very definition for the good of everyone and everything, and flows from abundance.
      However, our sociopathic systems tend to penalize rather than promote that.

  13. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, the seed vault is a Republican scam. Just look at their donors:

                US Agirbusiness giant, Dupont/Pioneer (owner of GMO seed patents)

                The Syngenta Foundation – Swiss maker of GMO seed and pesticides.

                The Rockefeller Foundation – created the ‘gene revolution with over $100 million invested in GM science since the 1970’s

                CGIAR, a global network of Rockefeller Foundation supporters

    List from http://www.nationofchange.org/bill-gates-and-gmo-cronies-plan-30-million-seed-vault-while-poisoning-planet-1373119522

  14. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All part of the nefarious plan the NWO has to GMO us all and something something illuminati derka derka conspiracy!

  15. What does she think decimate means? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arwa Damon is an award-winning Senior International Correspondent based in CNN's Istanbul bureau.

      who doesn’t know what decimate means.

  16. Re:Republucans hate the vault by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... as well as Bill Gates Foundation.

    Bill Gates is not a Republican. He is a political independent, and has donated more to Democrats than Republicans.

  17. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Earnest question: is there anything significant on record that Gates is a Republican?

    He doesn't behave much like one at all -- if he's a Republican he's strictly at the business end of the continuum.

    He's a non-believer; the foundation acts very much in ways that are in opposition to GOP platform language on women, health, international development etc.; MS was pretty progressive as an employer while he was CEO and Chairman.

    His contributions are pretty non-partisan (i.e., straightforwardly seeking influence rather than partisan support). The Foundation's contributions are overwhelmingly blue, not red.

    Gates' dad is a committed Democrat. Gates has only ever no-commented.

  18. News video by the Asociated Press by pabloApicco · · Score: 1

    News video by the Asociated Press : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  19. "Most Preventable"? by Jhon · · Score: 1

    it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war.

    Maybe I'm too much of a cynic but I don't think war is that preventable.

  20. Re:Republucans hate the vault by rubycodez · · Score: 0

    The corporate accounts that provide most of Microsoft's sales , characterized as mostly Democrats or mostly Republicans?

  21. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Bill Gates is not a Republican

    That assertion was never made. Just because someone might think there's a connection, doesn't mean you have to try to make an argument out of that possible mistaken interpretation. -1 for derail/troll attempt.

  22. Re: Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is a multimillionaire so by definition he is a Republican.

  23. most preventable?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it was most preventable then why are there millions of refugees from it? They gave up their home, their country, and all they have in order to be mishandled by smugglers and mistreated by nations -- and it was more preventable than the common cold?

    There are hundreds of millions of dollars lost. If it was so amazingly preventable, wouldn't any insurance or liability company swipe their fly-swatter and keep the nation at peace?

    Hubris and political junk. You are being really judgy and it sounds quite a bit like ignorance.

    1. Re: most preventable?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's a remedy: those millions of refugees, mostly men of military age, could have united to stand up for themselves, expel their tyrant and the bloodthirsty savages of ISIS both, and made a strong future for themselves as a forward-looking, democratic Syria. Instead, they left to go enjoy Germany's freedoms instead, because running away to someone else's self-made promised land is easier than doing jack for yourself. There's a reason that Solon wrote into the Athenian law code that anyone not taking sides in a civil war would lose citizenship: you have to fight for a democracy, because others are always willing to take it from you. Moving doesn't help, it just imports cowards into working democracies.

    2. Re: most preventable?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would be surprised what people are willing to do and say to get the dole for the rest of their lives

  24. Wait Until Bombing Stops by Ant2 · · Score: 1

    Politics aside, but shouldn't we wait until certain countries stopping bombing the crap out of Syria before sending seeds? Doesn't seem like a great place for a garden right now.

  25. Re:Republucans hate the vault by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    You say republican scam, I see corporate backup plan should one of their mutations screw the world over.

  26. Re:Republucans hate the vault by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates is not a Republican. He is a political independent, and has donated more to Democrats than Republicans.

    The Gates Foundation was a major player in ALEC until it became widely known.

    Games may donate to Democrats, but make no mistake, he is a corporatist, globalist oligarch.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  27. Re:Republucans hate the vault by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    The corporate accounts that provide most of Microsoft's sales , characterized as mostly Democrats or mostly Republicans?

    Microsoft and The Bill Gates Foundation are separate entities. Microsoft's biggest donations go to Seattle area and Washington State politicians, who are mostly Democrats.

  28. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Games may donate to Democrats, but make no mistake, he is a corporatist, globalist oligarch.

    So is roughly 90% of Congress, and thanks to the TPP, the White House as well.

    ...your point? ;)

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    Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
  29. Re:Republucans hate the vault by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    he is a corporatist, globalist oligarch.

    So is a "globalist" someone that wants to solve global problems, like malaria, extreme poverty, and 3rd world illiteracy?

  30. They could have bought the seeds from israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But its dealing with the enemy.

  31. Re:Republucans hate the vault by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    they have a thing in common and their money came from a thing in common

  32. It only takes ONE SIDE to start a fight. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war

    Yeah. I'll buy that for a dollar.

    Hear hear!

    About the closest you can come to "preventing war" is "Never start a fight, always finish one."

    Mathematically, the "Iterated Prisoner's Dilemma" is a simple model that comes close to politics and war. In a no-noise situation "Tit For Tat" is close to optimum, and in noisy ones the best solutions are tweaks of it. Tweaks that improve things come in two forms:
      1) A little forgiveness up front (like "tit for two tats, then tit for tat until some no-tats") helps keep confusion from turning into an ongoing vendetta. (You killed my dad, I kill you, your son kills me, my son kills him, ...)
      2) When things have degenerated into war or headed there (such as intermittent unprovoked tats in no discernible pattern), go to all tits. (Once the war starts, pound them into the ground as hard and fast as possible.)

    On a more human conceptual scale: Proportional response leads to continuous escalation. (The opposition is never given a schelling point where they can retreat with honor. They must continue to fight and escalate or lose power to those who will.)

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    1. Re:It only takes ONE SIDE to start a fight. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Glad I read this before posting. I'm sure samzenpus believes we could all just sing kumbaya, and war wouldn't have to happen. War is inevitable, and those who don't believe it are the sheep who get slaughtered.

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      Just another day in Paradise
  33. Re:Republucans hate the vault by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    So is a "globalist" someone that wants to solve global problems, like malaria, extreme poverty, and 3rd world illiteracy?

    And wants to solve it from the top down, like the way we solved Native Americans' problems.

    Globalism is colonialism by another name.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  34. Re:- gates is ashkenazi jew - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nearly all governments worldwide are run by them now, people failed to pay attention and stop them, those who do know don't find others to make a group or tribe with. The jews keep everyone separated, men, women, races, religions, so jews have the only tribe. They bait useless eaters with 'govt' handouts and hand immigrants 'jobs' so they keep jews govt going, they are too stupid to know the jews hate them and are using them and they also will be culled.

  35. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    monsanto is run by jews, monsanto started in the slave trade. the seed vault is also jews, bill gates owner in monsanto, jews also own cargill and other major food control corporations. many links in jew posts above.

  36. Re: Republucans hate the vault by TimSSG · · Score: 2

    He is a multimillionaire so by definition he is a Republican.

    FYI: Most of the multimillionaire in the US Congress are Democrats. Tim S.

  37. Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will end up being destroyed anyway.

  38. Re: bogus trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nationofchange' all the bogus 'activist' fronts are jew fronts just as 'republicans' democrats' and the rest of the frauds. The Jews are the 'govt'
    'rockerfeller' is a made up name, syngenta, jews, monsanto JEWS. the more trolls pile on the more obvious it is. Facts, links in two jew posts above 'gates ashkenazi' and 'jew globalist'. If the posts don't show slide bar over at top of thread and click show all comments button.

    They are all Jews.

  39. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Three thousand years planning. The distraction they do is whatever they can get away with. Total denial, partial denial, idiot distraction, making an idiot joke of it to distract like the moron post below 'fleeing masses' bs to distract from my post. mass slaughter is not a joke, at least when it comes to the few that don't deserve it. Most of the masses don't deserve to be alive, that's fact, willful ignorance is not deserving of life, but a small percentage of people have paid attention and sacrificed for truth and the future and deserve better that to die, whereas most of the jews in the tribe are no better than the dupes they presume to be better than. No intelligent claim to life, just being born into the tribe and doing a part to corrupt and destroy the planet along the way in their schemes. Followers the same as idiot dupes. see jew posts above.

  40. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    jwo.
    jew world order. only it won't be order, except for jews.
    terror for everyone else.
    permanent.

  41. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - top of thread click show all comments button and slide bar over at top to see all posts otherwise not all of them show on thread

  42. Re: Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI: Most of the multimillionaire in the US Congress are Democrats.

    And the majority of billionaires. The key difference between a Republican and a Democrat is that if something bad needs to be done the Republican will tell you point blank and show no remorse while the Democrat will lie, say they are going to do something else, promise hope, do the bad thing, then spend the next several years trying to take care of their own incompetence by concealing the emails in which they were laughing about it with their friends.

  43. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The corporate accounts that provide most of Microsoft's sales , characterized as mostly Democrats or mostly Republicans?

    Downmod further. What does this even have to do with OP? We're talking about Bill Gates, not consumers of Microsoft products and services.

  44. Re:Republucans hate the vault by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    we're talking about his foundation that funds corporate fascist interests, largely a Republican realm