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Doomsday Vault Opens To Give Seeds To Syria (cnn.com)

pabloApicco sends word that the The Svalbard Global Seed Vault has opened up in order to give seeds to Syrian scientists who had to relocate their research due to the war. CNN reports: "Known as the 'Doomsday Vault,' this seed bank — operated by the Norwegian government and containing a seed of just about every known crop in the world — is meant to be humanity's backup in the event of a catastrophe that devastates crops. But it was not a natural disaster that has caused scientists to have to dip in and make the first significant withdrawal from the vault. Rather, it was the most preventable of man-made disasters -- war. The bloody conflict in Syria has left scientists at an important gene bank in Aleppo -- where new strains of drought- and heat-resistant wheat have been developed over time -- unable to continue their work in recent years. With no sign of conditions in Syria improving, scientists have begun recovering their critical inventory of seeds, sourced from around the Fertile Crescent and beyond, that have been in safekeeping beneath the Arctic ice."

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  1. ... To Give Seeds [Back] to Syria. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The seeds are being returned to Syria, who sent them to the Global Seed Vault as a precaution. From TFA:

    The ICARDA Aleppo center had sent nearly 80% of the seeds and samples to the Global Seed Vault as a backup by 2012, with its last deposit being in 2014.

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  2. Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by pabloApicco · · Score: 2

    Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is: http://www.gosur.com/doomsday-...

    1. Re:Map of the Place where the "Doomsday Vault" is by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Look out! I think the orange marker of the rectangle with the triangle in it is the last known location of a gelatinous cube with a partially-dissolved shield in it.

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  3. If you think war is preventable by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then you've never studied history, nor do you understand how humanity functions.

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    1. Re:If you think war is preventable by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

      War is completely preventable. Just like I don't kill my neighbour for his wares, people don't need to kill other people for their wares. It's just a bunch of stubbourn greedy idiots with fucked up ideals.

    2. Re:If you think war is preventable by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You assume that, given a land area the size of the earth and a large population, power will not concentrate with individuals, leading to social behaviors producing crime, political arguments, and international interactions which inevitably end in shows of force.

      You may as well say you, as a human, have never *wanted* a think your neighbor has, or had sexual desired for another woman before you met or after you married your wife. You may moderate your responses, but they happen; others don't moderate their responses as much.

      It is easiest to obtain power by uniting the goals and thinking of a people. It is easiest to increase and retain that power by directing their attention to an external threat and positioning yourself as the source of protection from that threat. Having done so, you can direct their actions to destroy that threat, thus war.

    3. Re:If you think war is preventable by umghhh · · Score: 2

      What about Yemen.
      Or Nigeria? Or Democratic Republic of Congo? What about war on drugs? There are persistent, low level war like situations from Mexico all the way down to South America. Turkey is in a perpetual up and down of violence between the state and Kurds. There is in fact no day without people being killed in war. The war is not all out industrial enterprise of this little painter from Vienna these days because of dominance of big actors but the war is being wedged all the same. The tools of war are cheap and financing is available so you can buy your fighters for some few million dollars and hoopla - you got yourself a war all for you alone.

    4. Re:If you think war is preventable by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This decade is the bloodiest since WWII!

      Nope. Not even close. See here for some people who have actually been toting up the numbers: http://www.undispatch.com/good...

      Their latest figures (2012, 2013) leave out Syria because it's undoubtedly impossible to get any kind of a count there at the moment (and that's why they didn't chart them). But if we assume as many people are dying in Syria as everyplace else combined, we still get a figure one-tenth the peak in the 1970s.

      No idea where you get your ideas from.

      Now you know. Where are you getting yours from seems to be the question.

  4. Re:Lebanon by idji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These people destroy monuments, critically endangered birds northern Bald ibis, and anything that stands in their apocalyptic way, except of course Toyota pickups, infidel weapons and young girls. They don't need no scientists helping them - ridding the world of the infidel will give them Allah's blessing, and presumably feed them.

  5. Good attitude. by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

    This is a good position for the Doomsday Vault to take. "Send us samples for both the protection of our entire planet, and whatever area they came from originally, because we can always send them back." This is one of those uncommon cases where there is a clear benefit at every level for being altruistic. I just hope they don't return all of them, lest there be another loss and then nobody has any.

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    1. Re:Good attitude. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      And of course, seeing if the seeds they sent back out are still viable is good too. I mean, we're talking backups here. And part of a good backup is knowing that your backup is restorable and leaves things the way you expect after they are restored.

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    2. Re:Good attitude. by xaxa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And of course, seeing if the seeds they sent back out are still viable is good too. I mean, we're talking backups here. And part of a good backup is knowing that your backup is restorable and leaves things the way you expect after they are restored.

      That's a big part of the research at the Millennium Seed Bank in England, which has a much wider remit (all plants!) but stores much smaller quantities of seed per species. (Svarlbard has sacks full, the MSB may have as few as 10 or 100.)

      The MSB has 13% of species banked so far. Withdrawals have been made, generally to "repair" areas devastated by mining etc.

      http://www.kew.org/science-con...

    3. Re: Good attitude. by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      They're not going to attempt to continue the work in Syria.

      The seeds are being planted at new facilities in Lebanon and Morocco, allowing scientists to resume the important research they've been doing for decades, away from the barrel bombs of Aleppo.

      This just lets them continue somewhere else, even though they can't get their existing stock back. Presumably, their cross-breeding experiments will be set back somewhat, but it probably won't take as long to replicate as it did to do the first time around. (I assume someone remembers most, if not all, of the critical details.)

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  6. Re:Lebanon by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    yes, they behead people for thinking different than they do, they destroy anything that is not in belief with the koran, they kill medical workers already

    do you REALLY think they give a damn about scientists? They are animals

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  7. Re:Lebanon by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are no civilians to these people. The red cross, humanitarian aid workers, journalists, and others are just more notable targets for them to hit. They will generate even more media attention and are thus more valuable.

  8. Re:Republucans hate the vault by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... as well as Bill Gates Foundation.

    Bill Gates is not a Republican. He is a political independent, and has donated more to Democrats than Republicans.

  9. Re:Republucans hate the vault by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    The corporate accounts that provide most of Microsoft's sales , characterized as mostly Democrats or mostly Republicans?

    Microsoft and The Bill Gates Foundation are separate entities. Microsoft's biggest donations go to Seattle area and Washington State politicians, who are mostly Democrats.

  10. Re:Republucans hate the vault by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Games may donate to Democrats, but make no mistake, he is a corporatist, globalist oligarch.

    So is roughly 90% of Congress, and thanks to the TPP, the White House as well.

    ...your point? ;)

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  11. Re: Republucans hate the vault by TimSSG · · Score: 2

    He is a multimillionaire so by definition he is a Republican.

    FYI: Most of the multimillionaire in the US Congress are Democrats. Tim S.

  12. Re:Lebanon by dave420 · · Score: 2

    They're not "their own cities" any more than you would consider Swansea your city. ISIS are an absolute mess of people, in practically every way conceivable, but let's not pretend they're the only group killing medical workers while pretending to be righteous...