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Why Aren't There Better Cybersecurity Regulations For Medical Devices? (vice.com)

citadrianne writes with an excerpt from Motherboard about some of the factors behind the long-decried security problems that surround medical hardware, and that will only become more pressing as some long-term treatments become both more portable (in the form of drug pumps, muscle stimulators, etc), more connected to sensors and controllers, and more dependent on software. There is a growing body of research that shows just how defenseless many critical medical devices are to cyberattack. Research over the last couple of years has revealed that hundreds of medical devices use hard-coded passwords. Other devices use default admin passwords, then warn hospitals in the documentation not to change them. A big part of the problem is there are no regulations requiring medical devices to meet minimum cybersecurity standards before going to market. The FDA has issued formal guidelines, but these guidelines "do not establish legally enforceable responsibilities." "In theory you could sell a bunch of medical devices without ever having gone through a security review," the well-known independent medical device security researcher Billy Rios told Motherboard.

99 comments

  1. There is no security in health care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked at a hospital for 10 years. The databases were not encrypted. The network was flat. They spent virtually no money on security. I don't understand why they can get away with it.

    1. Re:There is no security in health care. by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      If that's an ethernet network it might still be more secure than encrypted wireless... You'd at least have to physically be in the hospital at some point to exploit it.

      In any case, it's kinda hard to imagine explaining how someone died because the doctor forgot their password.

    2. Re:There is no security in health care. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      After a HIPAA violation, then they will pay for it.
      They are regulations in place, there just isn't enforcement until after an incident happened.

      The Flat open network, just as long as it is closed off to the rest of the world, is good enough. But when you start bringing in outside connections from vendors and other areas, and or using the same network for the public Wi-Fi then you may be getting in trouble.
       

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    3. Re:There is no security in health care. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What this article is talking about is the vulnerability of BMDI devices, devices that stream data to the EMR or receive data from it. These would include bedside monitors, the pumps used to give infusions, anesthesia carts, etc. It's very important that the data be accurate and not be monkeyed with, obviously,

      But if a hospital IT department, which is under resourced because of the declining reimbursement structure in healthcare (every year being asked to treat phenomenally more and more people on less and less funding, and keep facilities up to date, and keep equipment modern and safe, and keep up with all the regulatory changes), decides to make all the device keys "1234", that's not really the architecture's fault.

      There are best safe practices in place, which are of course to verify the pump's settings before you turn it on, or make sure the vitals in the record match what you're seeing on the monitor, etc. But there are security vulnerabilities due to human tendencies, that even encryption won't solve.

    4. Re:There is no security in health care. by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Some of those vulnerabilities that would require physical access to exploit would be just as protected by the existing hospital security measures as current vulnerabilities (unplugging, pin-pricks, blocking lines, et cetera). Doesn't mean that they're not real, or that in some cases it wouldn't be frighteningly easy to do Very Bad Things, but we probably shouldn't treat the networked versions any more or less gingerly than the physical ones.

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    5. Re:There is no security in health care. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Most of these devices are either wireless or moving to wireless. Some of them must remain physically connected because an outage could result in patient harm, but more or less everything is moving to wireless for a variety of reasons.

      -There are numerous reasons why in a certain area, cabling can't be on the floor or hanging, and the device must be able to move around.
      -Some devices travel all over the campus and may be used in an area where wired networking isn't available or practical
      -Most PCs being used on mobile devices are low profile devices now and (usb, etc) connections are limited
      -Cabling is seen as a hassle and risk in terms of patients who are a fall risk, and adds complexity (however minor) to cleaning the devices for infection control purposes
      -Wired infrastructure is harder and more expensive to scale when the purposes of physical space change, and it takes time to effect those changes
      -In some places it is much more expensive and troublesome to have ports added or moved, such as in the operating theater

      etc etc.

      Wireless is objectively better if proper standards are developed and followed, but as is the case in all of human history, the tech comes before the knowledge of how to use it wisely.

    6. Re:There is no security in health care. by anjrober · · Score: 1

      this reminds me of a story

      years ago i was working at a very large, very prestigious hospital in boston. at the time they had no guest wifi. i needed a network connection so i set my laptop on a the nurses workstation and handed her one end of a long network cable and asked her to unplug the printer and plug in my wire. which she promptly did.
      i was not in a lab connect, i was in a suit. i didn't know this nurse and she had no idea who i was. she simply removed one cable and plugged in mine.
      needless to say, i was stunned.

    7. Re:There is no security in health care. by anjrober · · Score: 1

      that should have said "lab coat" not "lab connect"....sorry

    8. Re:There is no security in health care. by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      After a HIPAA violation, then they will pay for it. They are regulations in place, there just isn't enforcement until after an incident happened.

      The Flat open network, just as long as it is closed off to the rest of the world, is good enough.

      Maybe. Maybe not. HIPAA is not a prescriptive standard. The operators of that network would have to have documented that they effectively assessed the risk of such a design, and then took "reasonable" measures to mitigate any significant risk. If they failed to do even that much (and that is still very common) they will be found to be in "willful neglect" and subject to even higher penalties.

    9. Re:There is no security in health care. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      This subject has come up a few times lately, but I haven't found any reliable sources of information on the subject other than directly from the government. Do you have any links to resources by any chance?

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    10. Re:There is no security in health care. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Wireless is a nightmare in many hospitals. Lead in the walls near the MRI and radiotheraphy machines for example.

    11. Re:There is no security in health care. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      What this article is talking about is the vulnerability of BMDI devices, devices that stream data to the EMR or receive data from it.

      But if a hospital IT department, which is under resourced because of the declining reimbursement structure in healthcare...

      Well, it probably wouldn't be an issue with Hospital IT, but Clinical Engineering. Clinical Engineering deal with the items that touch patients and send data to the EMR, and the may or may not even use the network provided by Hospital IT. Not that the issues with funding aren't still there if not even more so. IME, it is rarely them that make device keys or passwords "1234" but rather the vendors or users. Often such "features" as backdoors and hardcoded admin passwords aren't even listed in the documentation, and unless you get to that one guy in tier 3 support, even the vendor agents you are dealing with might not know about them.

    12. Re:There is no security in health care. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Also, why is a cybertech cybernews cybersite like Slashspot using the unnecessary cyberword "cyber" in its cyberheadline?

  2. Because no one gives a shit about security by hsmith · · Score: 1

    Medical devices have gone under the guise of "security by obscurity" for far too long. They have no standards. They are plugged into the network without any worry at all to what could happen. Insulin pumps are terrible at this.

    Even Dick Cheney had to have special consideration taken for his pacemaker, since the technology is so bad.

    It isn't just device makers. In general most don't give a shit about security. From banking "apps" to healthcare "apps" - security is generally the last checkbox checked before shipping. It isn't a core tenet of technology for companies, it is feature you may or may not get to.

    Until there are actual penalties for ignoring basic information security practices, no one will waste time (aka money) securing things they "don't have to."

    1. Re:Because no one gives a shit about security by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The problem is the age of most equipment.
      Most medical Equipment talks HL7 v2. And is sent via a standard unencrypted port, and the more medical equipment it is easier to setup an other port, then to parse messages by their message source.

      It isn't as much as not caring, but the age of most of this stuff is so old, that you need to keep backwards compatibility, as for the most part they were designed for Serial port communication, with a TCP/IP hack. When TCP/IP no longer was considered a passing fad.

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    2. Re:Because no one gives a shit about security by hsmith · · Score: 1

      True, HL7 is garbage and makes me hate life. I'd say it is a combination of both. Any of the new tech coming out still suffers from these issues. But then again, it isn't like hospital INFOSEC people are the cream of the crop. I recently filled out a questionnaire if we had a "HIPAA Certification" - of which none exist (Unless you count the new HITRUST bullshit certification, which they weren't talking about)

    3. Re:Because no one gives a shit about security by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I think the major problem is that most software developers don't have a good enough grasp of security concerns. If the individual developers aren't thinking about security when implementing actual code, then it's hard to actually get secure systems. You can't just make a policy of "write secure code" if the developers don't have a clue how to do that. This is similar to making code easy to maintain, or making code that doesn't repeat. It takes a high level coder with years of experience before they figure out what it really means to write good code.

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    4. Re:Because no one gives a shit about security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is another issue ...medical devices are already overpriced including engineering r&d you want to add another thing... for medical devices you cant have latest and greatest achievements of technology because the design->actual product released to the "market" is already long enough.
      yes security is important especially in things that can be influenced wirelessly but you cant expect sudden shift in security remove bullshit compliance test leave only those that actually matter and add few restrictions regarding security trust me they'll have to comply.

    5. Re: Because no one gives a shit about security by DomNF15 · · Score: 1

      Even ASTM doesn't specify encryption or authentication. So most of the PHI data being ferried between the hospital LIS and the device is free for anyone to intercept and read in plaintext. The truth is that the communication protocols will be more difficult to update with security than the individual devices with hardcoded accounts and passwords. As soon as you have to support a legacy device that can't handle encryption it's an automatic weak point/vulnerability.

    6. Re:Because no one gives a shit about security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how I know you don't work in Healthcare? Especially IT in Healthcare?

      Why yes. I do work in IT, in Healthcare. Thanks for asking. One of the largest Healthcare systems on the East Coast in fact.

      Security in Healthcare? Why yes. We have it, and continue to implement security measures which would make it damn hard to bypass, much less gain useful information from it. Why you might ask? Because of those nasty potential $1.5Million fines per patient data that the FDA and Gov. can implement, if we haven't shown due diligence in security measures taken to avoid such an incident.

      Penalties for 'security practices'? Get real. This is about patient data, not banking data. As long as your mom's healthcare information (called PHI in the industry ) doesn't make it off one of our computers, and into someones hands who shouldn't have it, we're fine. Whatever measure we take to make sure that doesn't happen? Well, that's none of your fucking business now is it. A smart person, one engrossed in IT, would know what is presently required to properly secure largescale data from workstation, to remote, to retrieval, to storage, and to archive. I will say this though; it takes a lot of people to make this happen, and communication, and auditing is key.

  3. The FDA is making this part of its clearance proce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a software application that was cleared by the FDA under the 510(k) class 2 classification. I actually had to submit cybersecurity documentation. The FDA is now doing it, but all the legacy applications will not have this in place.

  4. what are you some kind of communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    regulations eat in to profit- you cant join the race to the bottom and make the cheapiest device!

    1. Re: what are you some kind of communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regulations make things cost a lot more. My comment isn't sarcastic.

    2. Re: what are you some kind of communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the market will figure it out.

    3. Re: what are you some kind of communist? by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      Regulations. Security, quality, reliability, good engineering.... All cost something.

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  5. Re:The FDA is making this part of its clearance pr by hsmith · · Score: 1

    Having a "cyber security document" does not guarantee that the device will be secure. More FDA checking boxes bullshit.

  6. It all comes down to blood and money. by dysan27 · · Score: 1

    Sadly any answer probably boils down to the fact that not enough people have been injured and/or died yet. Hang a few bodies around the problem and you can bet the government will start taking security on these devices much more seriously. Hang a few lawsuits on them and the companies might do something about it themselves.

    1. Re:It all comes down to blood and money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is some sort of universal truth. People need to get hurt before people take warnings seriously.

      It also means that things will get better in future, but it's gonna suck for those people that end up being the ones that get hurt.

    2. Re:It all comes down to blood and money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly any answer probably boils down to the fact that not enough people have been injured and/or died yet.

      Double edged sword.

      Developing secure devices increases development time and costs money. More expensive and fewer available medical devices leads to more people dead.
      It also makes the devices less accessible to the people who needs to use them. Nurses and other medical staff don't want to be bothered by security when they are busy saving lives.

      It isn't sufficient to prevent deaths by making medical devices more secure, you also have to make sure that you don't cause deaths by making medical devices more secure.

    3. Re:It all comes down to blood and money. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Most medical devices need very simple very structured data exchange. Oddly much like household IoT. In both cases making an interface device that's fairly generic makes a lot of sense. We do this now for a lot of large industrial devices, harvesters for example have one of a slew of interfaces and companies make boxes to gather up data and relay instructions via cell phones wifi etc etc etc.

      Sure it's not perfect security it's the hard candy outside approach. For for what amounts to an embedded machine it's pretty easy to physically harden and protect the actual controller.

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    4. Re:It all comes down to blood and money. by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Just like after a few people have been murdered we will all have a security team escorting us everywhere we go.

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  7. Its a trade-off by rjstanford · · Score: 1

    Devices should be secure, or at least securable. As should internal hospital networks.

    At the same time the risk from bio-medical network hacking remains theoretical. There's a small but serious risk that harm could spread on a wide scale, but so far no exploits have been made.

    The risk of network issues during critical, potentially confusing, seconds-count scenarios is also real. Having some kind of network incompatibility or security interface issue could easily mean the difference between life and death.

    Both risks exist. Both can be studied, and a reasonable compromise reached - but to discuss one in the absence of the other is just foolishness.

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  8. Re:The FDA is making this part of its clearance pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You COMMUNIST. Don't you know that the FDA is unnecessary REGULATION and if we were living in a FREE MARKET then by sheer force of REPUTATION those who KILL MULTIPLE PATIENTS BECAUSE PROFIT CAME FIRST will go out of business? And that the invigorated SPIRIT of AYN RAND and MILTON KEYNES FRIEDMAN will reincarnate those whom the INVISIBLE HAND (pbuh) has COLLATERALISED in its holy MISSION?

  9. Re: The FDA is making this part of its clearance p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But its a star for liability. One can go to the document and see it's shit, or if it's not shit ask why the shipping product doesn't follow their own documents

  10. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Lobbyists"

    The medical device manufacturers have a lot of them.

  11. incentives by ole_timer · · Score: 1

    because the incentives are all wrong - as long as CMS drives the cost out then security will lose. if CMS values it, then it will be part of the equation. FDA has a role too, and they have to require security too. it's as simple as that.

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    1. Re:incentives by fche · · Score: 1

      The FDA has no incentives to get regulations right. If something goes right, the FDA is not rewarded. If something goes wrong, the FDA is not liable.

    2. Re: incentives by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Big Medical Devices is very comfortable with regulation. Their Regulatory Affairs staffers are on a first name basis with the FDA staffers. And the high regulatory threshold keeps out upstarts. BMD can use 510k equivalency to get their next-Gen product approved at low cost. While owning the patents that keep upstart competitors from using the same approval process. The startups have to go through the whole clinical trials process.

    3. Re: incentives by fche · · Score: 1

      aka regulatory capture.

  12. Two possible reasons: by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I figure there's two possible reasons for this:

    1) The regulators are lazy/incompetent and haven't bothered.
    2) The lobbyists for the medical devices industry have asked for it to keep profits higher.

    But that there is little or no security in these things should be far more widely reported than it apparently is. Consumer electronics have really bad security; medical devices can't even be said to have security in a lot of cases.

    Given what I've heard about the security and frequency of malware on hospital networks, I'm actually surprised there isn't more deaths attributed to the useless security on these things.

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    1. Re:Two possible reasons: by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I think that at some level, we just have to trust that the most people aren't psychotic. There's a lot of vulnerabilities we all live with on a daily basis. Most people don't walk down the street with armor, even though it would technically be quite easy for someone to come along and stab them with a knife. We just assume that people won't do that. The brakes on most cars could easily be mechanically disabled, but we don't go to any lengths to stop people from cutting the brake lines. What is it about computer security that we have to make sure things are secure against all kinds of attacks?

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    2. Re:Two possible reasons: by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I think that at some level, we just have to trust that the most people aren't psychotic

      Well, ignoring the specific definition of 'psychotic' here (which isn't how you're using it) ... the problem with comparing this to your car is there's a significantly higher level of people doing malicious things on the intertubes just for the hell of it.

      So, yes, people aren't likely to go around cutting brake lines on cars just for amusement sake. But from a network security perspective? I've found assuming the internet is populated with viscious little sociopaths who would pretty much do anything for a laugh to be a far safer assumption. Because it's often proven true.

      When it comes to the network security of something which lives depend on? I would totally assume it needs to be secured much more than it is. I would also assume that if it can be exploited, it will be exploited.

      What is it about computer security that we have to make sure things are secure against all kinds of attacks?

      Do you mean other than the constant reminders that there are always people working to demonstrate that as a safe assumption?

      I can't tell you why, but since any crazy idiot from anywhere in the world can (and will) try to access anything anywhere in the world ... the level of malicious crap gets ratcheted up by quite a bit.

      You know, actual fucking reality.

      Plug a brand new PC directly into the internet. Then wait 20 minute and ask again why people assume computer security is done out of necessity and not simple paranoia.

      That shit is automated, and indiscriminate. That's not paranoia, that's actual fact. Pretending like computer security is overkill is pretty much just stupidity.

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    3. Re:Two possible reasons: by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      So perhaps the solution isn't to require device manufacturers to make them more secure. You can guarantee that they won't do it, or will mess something up along the way. Instead, why wouldn't the hospital put all the monitoring and other patient connected equipment on a separate network which isn't accessible from the outside because it isn't physically connected. For personal devices like pace makers and insulin pumps it might be less convenient to require things to be plugged in, but it would be a lot more secure.

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  13. Regulations are bad ... mmmkay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't need regulation. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that no company would risk the bad publicity of having one of their devices kill patients because it lacked any kind of security. They would be bankrupt when patients became unwilling to be connected to those unsafe devices. So, as usual, the invisible hand of the market will steer us right ... no government interference needed.

    1. Re:Regulations are bad ... mmmkay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need regulation. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that no company would risk the bad publicity of having one of their devices kill patients because it lacked any kind of security. They would be bankrupt when patients became unwilling to be connected to those unsafe devices. So, as usual, the invisible hand of the market will steer us right ... no government interference needed.

      Right. Like Toyota is now bankrupt because of the accelerator/floor mat problem.

    2. Re:Regulations are bad ... mmmkay by msoftsucks · · Score: 1

      I guess when a vendor delivers their latest device with XP installed and then proceeds to tell you that you CANNOT install the latest updates, the invisible hand is still guiding the market. Had this situation happen within the last 6 months. The doctor had to have this particular instrument, yet the vendor REFUSED to deliver it with a modern supported OS and prevented us from taking steps to secure the out of date XP OS. Until there are regulations forbidding vendors from selling unsecured configuration, the situation will not improve.

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  14. CIA triad...in a different order by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you work for a typically paper-pushing corporation, the priority on the "CIA triad' (confidentiality, integrity and availability) is usually: C, then A then I. If you work for a utility ("ICS"), it's often A then I then C. And if you work with medical devices, it's definitely I then A and maybe way down the line maybe C, because there's the HIPAA legal hammer to take care of all that. Hardly anyone in this stack understands authentication, but the key with at least the last two is that if someone's trying to use a machine or device and they are standing right next to it, they are assumed to be authorized. Unfortunately, that line of thinking leaks out into web interfaces, telnet and other craziness, and that's why it's all a mess at the moment.

    1. Re:CIA triad...in a different order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you work for a typically paper-pushing corporation, the priority on the "CIA triad' (confidentiality, integrity and availability) is usually:

      not important, as PROFIT is the most important thing in the world.

  15. Guidelines? Not Really. by Feneric · · Score: 1

    I've worked on and off in the medical devices field for a long time, and have been directly involved with the FDA approval process of several products. One thing I can add to this discussion is that anyone who has been through this process recognizes that "not legally enforceable guidelines" still need to be addressed before one can actually get a product released. Sure, maybe an organization could argue around them, but there are so many ways that the FDA can hold up a release or generally cause an organization grief that it's simply not practical to do so. The bigger issues are 1) that these guidelines are relatively new and have only fairly recently been getting enforced, and 2) the people doing the reviewing don't always have enough security knowledge. For #1 it looks like loss of privacy is now starting to get acknowledged as a form of harm to the patient and so security is starting to get lumped in with other risk analysis, and for #2 consider that "FDA" stands for "Food and Drug Administration" -- "Medical Devices" isn't even in the title and it's certainly not the prime focus of the agency.

    1. Re:Guidelines? Not Really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked in the medical device field myself here is what I took away from it. They let anyone go who makes a fuss in the reviews about this stuff. And, they expect you to sign everything even if you don't agree with what you're signing. You're supposed to tow the company line and hope the FDA doesn't notice. As long as you've followed all the documents you've been signing, regardless if they're best security practices, then you're in the clear. I pointed out a flaw that needed to be addressed to my superior, who elevated it to his superior. The response came back, "Is this even that important?" And, I responded that yes it was. His response was, "We're close to shipping, and to me this doesn't look like it is as important as you believe so we're going to continue without the change." Note: It wasn't a complex change, but there is an absolute fear of doing anything that might set back their delivery dates because time is money. Very soon after I was let go. Hope that sums it up.

  16. Re:The FDA is making this part of its clearance pr by Coisiche · · Score: 1

    Sometimes you just can't tell whether or not something is parody.

  17. Premium services by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    Big companies who do medical records (e.g. Microsoft, Google) care about security. The average company doing medical records cares about having a marketing buzzword that makes purchasers and patients feel secure. Hospitals generally don't give enough of a fuck because they don't understand it and it costs money, and it doesn't really cost them anything if they get broken into. It's not like many people will choose a different hospital or doctor.

    1. Re:Premium services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big companies who do medical records (e.g. Microsoft, Google)

      Haha no.

      Big companies who do medical records include EPIC, not Microsoft or Google.

    2. Re:Premium services by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Big companies who do medical records (e.g. Microsoft, Google)

      Haha no.

      Big companies who do medical records include EPIC, not Microsoft or Google.

      Microsoft and Google are big tech companies who do medical records and care about security.

  18. We don't need more regulations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regulate everything seems to be the mindset of most of the people in this country, which has served to put America well on the path to being a socialist shithole. It's already nearly impossible to start any kind of business without being swamped with paperwork and regulatory bullshit and things like Obamacare. If there were more regulations for medical device manufacturing, you wouldn't have any new manufacturers and very likely would drive many of the existing ones away or out of business. The price of whatever was left would go through the roof. The market has, can, and will take care of the cybersecurity or any other problems you would care to invent. Companies that put shit products out will go away because nobody will buy them. The ones that put out quality products at decent prices will thrive. It's capitalism 101 - learn it, live it, love it, or get out.

  19. We are aware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IEC 80001 and FDA guidance are a start start. As a very senior, l3t3 medical device software developer we do extensive security testing.

  20. Because ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... nobody wants a patient to die while the ER team is trying to remember the password for the defibrillator.

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  21. No governing will... by CimmerianX · · Score: 0

    Because that would require regulation, and the GOP will not pass new regulations for fear of looking like 'big government' and giving their tea party opponents fuel to get them replaced in office with more 'conservative' people.

  22. Regulations are bad ... mmmkay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no need to get the government involved. Any sane person knows that no business would risk bankruptcy by having the publicity associated with having their devices kill or injure patients after being hacked. If that happened, no doctor or patient would let one of those devices near them. Medical malpractice insurers would not allow hospitals or doctors to even have those machines in their offices. Trial lawyers would launch class action lawsuits that would bankrupt that company in a heartbeat. Medical device manufacturers implement stringent security to avoid all of those risks. The invisible hand is guiding the market, as it always does. No government interference needed.

    That's what's happening, right guise?

  23. Mod parent up. by Kludge · · Score: 1

    John McAfee for president! ;)

  24. Re:Because , you know, jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Medical devices have gone under the guise of "security by obscurity" for far too long. They have no standards. They are plugged into the network without any worry at all to what could happen. Insulin pumps are terrible at this. Even Dick Cheney had to have special consideration taken for his pacemaker, since the technology is so bad. It isn't just device makers. In general most don't give a shit about security. From banking "apps" to healthcare "apps" - security is generally the last checkbox checked before shipping. It isn't a core tenet of technology for companies, it is feature you may or may not get to. Until there are actual penalties for ignoring basic information security practices, no one will waste time (aka money) securing things they "don't have to."

    Because if the government actually created security standards and enforced them, that would cost Merican jobs due to all the over-regulation. Best not to think about how creating standards would cost the taxpayer, either. Govment has no business interfering in the private sector.

  25. FDA Exists for the Corporations by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    ... not for you - did your seventh-grade government school teacher perhaps try to tell you otherwise? Try to deal with empirical reality, not platitudes.

    The entrenched interests that give high-paying jobs to former regulators are delighted that startups can't compete and that the products only have to be safe on paper, not subject to real competitive review (notice that Consumer Reports doesn't compare replacement needs - Consumers' Union does lobbying instead, unlike cars).

    Gosh, back when I was doing medical work it was astonishing how a respirator could be shut down with a passing radio. FDA and FCC gave medical a complete pass on RF interference, not because shielding and grounding is hard, but because medical industry paid for the exemption and they could save a few bucks on manufacturing, and fuck the grandma who needs a vent. The relative cost was minimal, but they're special snowflakes and they didn't have to worry about a spunky startup getting a booth at a trade show demonstrating the reckless endangerment by the old corps.

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    1. Re:FDA Exists for the Corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe class I or class II devices are like that. Class III devices get inspected pretty thoroughly.

  26. That the TOP SPY Uses AOL for 'safe-keeping' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is your answer.

  27. THIS POST IS A HIPAA VIOLATION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn kids HACKING around on medical DEVICES and won't tell me how to UNINISTALL McAfee ANTIVIRUS from my e-PACEMAKER can GET OFF MY LA..... HHHHNNNGGGG

  28. Be careful what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a physician. While I don't implant pacemakers or defibrillators, I do take care of a number of patients who have these devices.

    One critical issue here is accessibility of these devices. Suppose someone gets an implantable cardiac defibrillator for a failing heart. If the patient's cardiac status worsens, they device may activate and keep the heart beating. In these circumstances, it's critical that the physicians at the hospital have immediate and unrestricted access to the data on the device. Without this data, the physicians are at a serious disadvantage in trying to keep the patient alive.

    To further complicate things, a patient in the midst of a cardiac event may not be able to provide a password. Even if the password is stored somewhere in the medical records, modern electronic record systems are often cumbersome to find such data. For example, if the device was implanted at a different hospital, the records typically have to be printed, faxed and then scanned in order to access the data. Those ridiculous steps translate into delays in care.

    The real conundrum is whether a particular security modality is going to save more lives by thwarting hackers that it will cause deaths by delaying medical treatment.

    1. Re:Be careful what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you change the password then you should write it down... A tattoo barcode of the password near the device would be more than secure enough since it would require the reader to be in direct proximity to read. The concern is that manufacturer default passwords are too often available and the unscrupulous hacker could kill the patient intentionally or otherwise. Script Kiddies play around just to see what they can do. "Sorry about grandma, I was just testing my new phone app."

    2. Re:Be careful what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A tattoo might work, but you have to keep in mind several real world problems.

      1. The devices get changed every few years (batteries run out). Suppose a new vulnerability was found, and the entire password model had to change. The new device may or may not be able to use the same password, and you may have to have several numbers tattooed on your skin.

      2. There are a significant number of patients who object to tattoos for religious reasons. This might create a barrier to certain patients receiving the care they require. It then goes back to whether you are preventing more deaths from hacking or causing more deaths from lack of access.

    3. Re:Be careful what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is more the security on your network connected blood-gas machine, the network connected machines in the Lab, and your network connected MRI. A lot of these machines are wide open and its scary. I work with network security and a medical environment, If a vendor does not support a non EOL OS, then they do not get a contract. If a vendor cannot secure their machine against our in house pen testing, they do not get a contract.

      We are in no way trying to make the providers life more difficult. We do two main things, simplify the use of the equipment by making our security measures as invisible as possible, and protect the health system from outside attackers. We acknowledge that while we have a giant virtual wall around us, it is possible for someone to get in. Our goal is if they do get in, there is nothing they can get to anyways. Security measures no longer stop at the firewall, they are all the way up to the client now.

      We are all here for the same reason, to care for people in need, and we all need to do our part in achieving that goal. Give your IT guy a break next time, or at least have a constructive conversation with them next time. The easier your life is the easier ours is, but we all play a role in protecting the patient.

    4. Re: Be careful what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This argument doesn't make any sense. You seem to admit that medical devices are easy to hack, but the poor cyber security is actually a necessity because you need the device to be readily available.

      If availability trumps all else and it is availability that makes medical devices more easy to hack, they why couldn't the hacker simply hack the device and take it offline at the time it's most needed? If every second matters, couldn't the hacker delay you for a few seconds?

      It seems like what you are really saying is you need ready access to medical devices, but instead of building robust yet transparent security, your strategy is to "hope" a hacker never targets a patient of yours?

    5. Re: Be careful what you ask for by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      If availability trumps all else and it is availability that makes medical devices more easy to hack, they why couldn't the hacker simply hack the device and take it offline at the time it's most needed? If every second matters, couldn't the hacker delay you for a few seconds?

      Sure they could. But that's not how threat modelling work. The question here is will more hackers do that, and will the added security to thwart them actually lead to more deaths from doctors not being able to navigate that security in time to save the patient.

      Risk isn't just the potential outcome of a certain situation, it's also the probability that that outcome will come to be.

      It seems like what you are really saying is you need ready access to medical devices, but instead of building robust yet transparent security, your strategy is to "hope" a hacker never targets a patient of yours?

      It's not a question of "building", we don't know how to build a secure system like that (and I say that as a security researcher). Security research focuses almost exclusively on "perfect" security, i.e. security above all else. There's no great body of research into exactly what trade-offs are when it comes to implantable device security in general, and implanted life and time critical systems in particular. These are hard problems. It's not for nothing that hospital data access systems still work mainly on the "allow all access, log and deal with the problems later"-model of security. Even one dead patient due to security snafus tends to make people really upset. "Hacking" related health related deaths though are few and far between. (I can't think of a single one off the top of my head).

      Not worrying about, and taking steps to prevent, having your pacemaker attacked by a "hacker" is like not worrying about getting randomly shot walking down the street. It's the rational thing to do for all but a very small minority. Other risks, at this point in time completely thwart these risks.

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      Stefan Axelsson
  29. Repeating Pattern by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 1

    I don't know why, but security has been a problem every time a new class of device gains connectivity.

    Robert Morris' internet worm got loose in 1988 - 27 years ago... WTF?

  30. how do you make money from the hacks? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    most of the hacking is done by criminals to make and steal money. how would you make money from hacking medical devices?

    1. Re:how do you make money from the hacks? by AeroMed45N · · Score: 2
  31. Doctors, Nurse, Technicians by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 1

    I worked in security in the health care system for a short time and there was a ton of resistance to any security solutions we tried to implement. Some of it was that the medical staff felt it was impeding their ability to do their jobs, but it mostly seemed like they didn't like change.

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    1. Re:Doctors, Nurse, Technicians by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this.

      I'm an anesthesiologist. I need IV pumps to work now. Not five minutes from now, but NOW. Could you make them more secure? Sure, you could require some kind of patient/drug/pharmacist-verification code, but I don't have the luxury of waiting for that to happen, because the patient needs it NOW. Nurses do the same thing on a slightly slower schedule. Go watch someone actively trying to die and a medical team trying to prevent that (a "code") and tell me your solutions.

      FFS, I had the state board of nursing tell me that nurses couldn't push drug X when under my direct personal supervision, because an RN can't give that drug, only an MD or nurse anesthestist - despite my being right there. So the really scary part, managing the airway to make sure the patient can breathe, is done by an RN two days out of nursing school, while I walk away from it to pump some drugs into their IV. Makes sense, right?

      People in healthcare have a very broad appreciation of the ways in which things can and do go wrong, and technological solutions to physical problems are not the way to go.

    2. Re:Doctors, Nurse, Technicians by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The right answer is to stop connecting important medical devices like IV pumps to insecure networks. If someone actually has to be standing next to the device in order to hack it, the risk of hacks goes way down.

    3. Re:Doctors, Nurse, Technicians by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I'd rather none of them were networked; I know enough about computer security for that to scare the hell out of me. But IT insists (though it's not their idea), and I don't have a veto.

  32. what's the goal? by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    What's the goal of medical device software?

    Currently, you have to prove that your target user can actually use your product without making mistakes. Make things too complicated in any way, and you're required to have a specialist on hand to turn the thing on. You don't decide what "too complicated" is, the FDA does.

    The current solutions for maximum usability (hard coded passwords, no changing of passwords) are likely the result of existing regulation, not laziness on the part of medical device makers.

    Medical device clinical trials already cost millions of dollars and take years to get through. Add bad actors to this, and you're further raising the bar for introduction of new technology.

    Medical device makers should focus on medical utility. Requiring via trials (FDA) that the device makers take responsibility for physical security (i.e. passwords for local access) or cybersecurity will kill off any progress toward electronic integration of medical data.

  33. Cybersecurity is an oxymoron! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Shit's too easy to spoof.... well, maybe if you eliminate all inputs..

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  34. REGULATIONS??? by selectspec · · Score: 1

    Anyone remotely familiar with the giant pile of manure known as HIPPA knows that government regulations in IT are not only ineffective but also total waste of time and money.

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    Someone you trust is one of us.

    1. Re:REGULATIONS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone remotely familiar with it knows it's spelled HIPAA.

  35. Because electronic data are inherently unsecurable by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    At it's very best, you have unhackable encryption for e-data. Now I will show you that that data can be hacked.

    At some point, some human has to take some action to access the unencrypted form of that data. If that human can do it, then it can be done by another human, some other unauthorized way. That's called hacking.

    There is no way around this. The problem with e-records is *you don't have to be physically present to steal them- they can be copied and they can be transported and the original source is none the wiser.

    once you have something that fits that description, all your security is out the window.

    Read the story above this one or just read the daily headlines of the MSM. Nothing is safe in electronic form- it's less safe relative to its paper counterpart. More convenient, but less safe.

    Until you have computation being done on data that is never decrypted, which is possible, you'll have these problems.

  36. Dumb ethernet ports are dumb when security needed by sjbe · · Score: 1

    i was not in a lab connect, i was in a suit. i didn't know this nurse and she had no idea who i was. she simply removed one cable and plugged in mine.

    Shouldn't have mattered if she did. In my wife's office if you plug in an unknown machine to an ethernet port it simply won't work. The MAC address and some other stuff has to be registered to that particular port before it can connect. If I brought my laptop into her office, it would require non-trivial amounts of hacking to get it to connect to anything. While no security is bulletproof, lots of places don't even take basic precautions.

  37. Re:Because , you know, jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's more, it'd force those upstanding god-fearing life-saving hospitals to listen to us rapist oppressor misogynerds.

  38. Re:The FDA is making this part of its clearance pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A+++++++ would read again. Mod up.

    Not only that, but what kind of woman-hating racist would force hospitals to listen to us evil pro-rape oppressor misogynerds?

  39. One Word by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 1

    Lobbyists

  40. Security for devices by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    Not everyone writing software should be nor should they need to be a security expert.

    I think the proper method here is to not trust devices to be secure, ever. Instead look to a provider of security software and/or hardware to put your devices behind.

    A firewall device in front of every connected device would seem to be the best approach.

    Just like every computer should have a firewall, every device should too.

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  41. Health care = profit in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Health care in America is designed to extract as much money and hardship as possible from people who are in need and disadvantaged. The United States does not care about your health, and its health care system reflects that position.

  42. Not quite by s.petry · · Score: 1

    I believe you are putting the cart before the horse. Nobody gives a shit about security in medical devices because it's not profitable to do so. If there was money to be had, you can bet your ass you would have FUD commercials running 24/7 and companies offering lifetime protection for just about everything.

    People did not care too much about what us techie people said in regards to their digital security. We don't own enough media to be heard. But, WHOLLY BUCKETS OF CASH BATMAN! INFOMERCIAL! has people scared enough to care.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  43. Monetary incentive? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    I'd say that security is weak because it would be difficult to profit from hacking medical devices. Regulation is weak because there have been no headline-grabbing incidents to bring the issue to the attention of regulators.
    It would take a particular type of psycho to hack medical devices and harm people simply for the sake of harming people. That's probably what it will take before manufacturers improve security or government passes some knee-jerk regulations however.

  44. It's complicated by AeroMed45N · · Score: 2

    As an area that I am very close to, I decided to sum up my comments in a single post rather than scatter replies to many of the uninformed, hyperbolic statements already made on this issue.

    The FDA is not lazy or incompetent on this topic. I have personally worked with the people there who are driving this topic. There is a guidance document that was put through the draft/final review cycle on a fast track for FDA work (about 15 months between the two phases, which often takes 2-4 years).
    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/m...
    They also held a workshop on the topic, and have been reaching out and supporting communications on this issue in many venues.
    http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevi...

    The FDA rarely is prescriptive on *how* a function should be performed. They regulate far too many types of devices used in all different kinds of situations. Their regulations need to stand for decades, so guidance documents are how they address issues that are more rapidly changing. The FDA is all about risk management, and directs manufacturers to perform risk management, document their results and submit it for review. How strongly the reviewers push back when guidance isn't followed indicates how strongly the FDA is concerned with an issue. I have been contacted more than once by companies who are getting questions on cybersecurity in their FDA submissions. If you are building a higher-risk networked medical device, you will need to follow the guidance document and produce your data or expect your approval to be delayed while you answer their questions (and thus, have to produce the data).

    Having worked in the industry for many years, I really don't subscribe to the general theory that medical device companies are money greedy corporate fat cats who care only about profit at the expense of patient care. Everyone I have worked with has family members and friends who end up using these devices. I think the reluctance to embrace security in these devices is much more of a disbelief that anyone would try to actively harm a patient. I tend to use the examples of devices as vulnerable pivots to get at data in the hospital that can be monetized as my means to turn thinking in this domain.

    Another challenge is that every hospital is different. Even the hospitals don't have standards that they generally use for the interconnection of devices. I have been encouraging hospital-based groups to work on the prescriptive standards so device manufactures have something to build against that they know will be salable in the end. Add to that the fact that 80% of device companies have 50 employees or less, and there is the challenge of teaching every one what they need to know.

    By the way, the EHRs that these devices are being connected to aren't classified as medical devices, and are not regulated by the FDA. Despite the fact that the medical device definition includes software used to "diagnose disease."

    Billy Rios is a great guy, and has done great service in this area. But the press tends to take comments in this space out of context. They love to find a line that makes it sound like the sky is falling.

  45. Fuck Regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asinine laws cannot protect you. No rule can protect anything.

    Security requires real work. Being SAS70 audited and certified doesn't protect against security issues. It only protects bureaucrats from responsibility.

  46. Security vs Ease of Use by jafffacake · · Score: 1

    The reason for the lack of security is obvious - the risk of hacking is present, but not very high. On the other hand, if the medical equipment does not work as designed, the patient may die because of that failure. Currently it's better to have the equipment work for sure and risk a hack than to put too many complicated steps into setting things up securely.

  47. HIPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can hack a medical device to control it, you could also download the patient data. That's a HIPPA violation. Big fines, and potential criminal liability. The whole chain gets hit, from the deficient manufacturer, to the suppliers, to the hospital, to the doctors. HIPPA is brutal if enforced.

  48. I've wondered about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 weeks ago I was fitted with an Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator, which talks SSH with a control module. Once the DH handshake is accepted, someone can control my pulse rate, make my heart skip beats or even stop. I stress a little about how easy to hack I am now.

  49. It's scary how relaxed security is on med devices by daedalus2097 · · Score: 1

    In my last job I worked on the development of a medical diagnostic instrument. While not immediately life-threatening if compromised, lots of patient details could be stored on the system with no encryption. Now, it wasn't normally networked, so to get the information you had to stand in front of it. But here's where it got interesting: you could create an account to give yourself access to the data, and only a password was required - no username. Just one single string of characters. And because that was the case, you couldn't use the same password as anyone else. If you tried, it would actually give you the error message "Password already in use"...

    What?

    Not to mention that the admin passwords were the same on all instruments...

    The downside of not being networked was that the OS was never updated. There were Windows 2000 machines, and XP machines with no service packs at all. Generally computers on these systems were kept far longer than they would be in most other industries. This did give some other instruments a bit of an advantage through obscurity however - I'm sure there are fewer people around able to crack a 486 running a customised QNX kernel setup than able to crack a pre-SP1 XP box...

  50. Scientist are often to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you've ever had to work with scientists in the medical community, it quickly becomes clear they typically have the attitude that they don't have time to be bothered with security and it should be someone else should be taking care of it for them.

    Many of these scientist write a lot of science software that makes it's way into these medical devices. Again learning decent programming techniques and software security is something they don't want to be bothered with. That sometimes gets passed to an actual software engineer who doesn't understand the medical science so the code only gets touched where absolutely necessary to get it implemented.

    This problem isn't going away anytime soon. Not until the medical scientists feel threatened. They are far from it.

  51. It's a Heavily Regulated Field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why aren't there better regulations? I'm not sure that the issue of regulation is actually the most relevant one. Security of the medical device is the better question, regulation is just one possible means to that end.

    However my larger point is, this is already a heavily regulated field. Furthermore there is an entire discipline (Biomedical Engineering) devoted to supporting these devices. And you could easily expand those categories if you start to include PACS systems, the imaging modalities, hospital EMRs, etc.

    What this does is that there is a large "apparatus" that is in daily charge of medical device management. Those people are usually not IT people and instead come from a primarily clinical background and perspective. Getting them up to speed with cybersecurity issues takes time. They often think there is no issue with those medical devices until they connect with an EMR or other more clearly IT administered system. And even then they may not think there is an issue. Stand-alone, air-gapped implementations were and often still are their bulwark against an interconnected world.

    That's all changing, but slowly. You can't do it without the full support and involvement of the tech disciplines who own those devices.