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Western Digital To Buy SanDisk (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Reuters reports that Western Digital will buy SanDisk in a deal worth roughly $19 billion. In a press release, WD said, "The combination is the next step in the transformation of Western Digital into a storage solutions company with global scale, extensive product and technology assets, and deep expertise in non-volatile memory (NVM)." SanDisk has been in business since 1988, and primarily "manufactures flash memory chips and other digital storage for personal computers, data centers and consumer electronics, including smartphones and tablets." They have over 8,000 employees, compared to WD's ~76,000. This follows another major transaction in the storage market, when Dell bought EMC last week.

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  1. More consolidation... by TFlan91 · · Score: 2

    I don't like the recent tread of consolidation in the IT market... This needs to stop.

    1. Re:More consolidation... by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok, we'll stop it. We didn't know it was bothering you. Sorry.

      signed -- Worldwide IT Business

    2. Re:More consolidation... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is that stock markets still expect the large companies to post revenue growth at the same rates as they did when they were smaller companies. Of course as they get larger and larger it becomes harder to keep up such growth. Growing a $10M company 5% is a lot easier than a $10B company. So they resort to buying other companies to get their growth. Or layoffs in order to improve their income statement.

      Not that I agree with the methods because they are doing them just to help the stock price.

    3. Re:More consolidation... by geantvert · · Score: 2

      Please! Mark parent as Funny

    4. Re:More consolidation... by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The HDD market had some of the slimmest margins in the tech industry - about 1%-2%. The HDD manufacturers just weren't making enough money to even keep up with basic R&D. It needed to be consolidated. The floods in Thailand happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Unfortunately, they happened right in the middle of the last recession, resulting in what's probably over-consolidation.

      The WD-Hitachi merger still isn't finalized. China hasn't given their final approval. My brother-in-law is working on this for WD and is pulling his hair out over how obtuse the China government has been.

      WD has been buying SSD manufacturers for a while now. Silicon Systems in 2009, then sTec, Skyera. SanDisk is a much bigger name, but this isn't something they just started doing.

    5. Re:More consolidation... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not entirely true.

      There's the concept of a 'growth' stock versus a 'value' stock. Several tech companies (Microsoft, Apple, others) have transitioned into value stocks by starting to pay dividends, stock buybacks, etc.

      Wall Street doesn't *only* care about growth. There's plenty of companies that have single-digit year-over-year gains that do very nicely.

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  2. Lesson Learned by sunderland56 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What we learned today: Western Digital still exists.

    1. Re:Lesson Learned by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      What we learned today: Western Digital still exists.

      Wait you didn't know? But that must mean you use Se.... DUDE backup your data NOW while you still can.

  3. Emperor WD by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

    Yes I assure you, we are quite safe from your "competition" here.

  4. Writing on the wall by sshir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So WD realized that hard drive business is kaput.

    No wonder we're still waiting for a 8TB consumer drive from them. They are curbing research spending...

    1. Re:Writing on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Flash prices are in freefall and package density is increasing proportionally.

      We're starting to reach the point where flash is out-scaling hard drives on the high end. With hard drives you run in to really hard problems to solve when you try to cram a lot of platters in to a tiny space, and then try to mass-produce the things. Moving parts are the bane of.. Well.. Everything.

      With flash you simply pack on some more chips. We're already starting to see SSDs that have a higher density and larger capacity than any available hard drive. Never mind that they're 10-20x faster to boot.

      Sure they're more expensive but the price halfs every time density doubles. And that's happening every 6 months. I can go to costoco and pick up a high end, fast (120mb read, 40mb write) 128-fucking-gigabyte thumb sized flash drive for less than fifty bucks.

      WD sees the writing on the wall. Mechanical hard drives will be on their way out in the near future and WD does not want to be anchored to a sinking industry.

    2. Re:Writing on the wall by swb · · Score: 2

      I would say not kaput, but you can probably see it from here.

      If innovations like 3D Xpoint from Intel and other "better" flash technologies happen that improve on durability and performance while keeping prices at or below other flash tech, it sure seems to me that the rotational media market will get even thinner.

      There may be some market for rotational media as a way of providing vast quantity now in very large tiered storage systems, but these kinds of systems are probably already flash tiered.

      But any kind of flash that offers durability closer to rotational media at prices closer to current 3D-NAND type flash disks ought to greatly reduce the middle of the storage market -- SMBs running 1-2 shelves of storage.

      Right now they run straight rotational media for the most part because SLC drives in any kind of capacity (native or aggregate) is frightfully expensive. If something like 3D Xpoint lives up to its hype, these kinds of storage systems will be exclusively flash based even if there is a small premium over rotational media. It's hard to say no to a 10-20% price bump when the value add is a half million IOPS and crazy throughput.

      I would go out on a limb and wonder what will happen to the price of rotational media when the volume demand drops. Does it mean reduced production capacity and increased prices? About the only customers left for it will be those petabyte scale storage systems where floor space demands density not available in flash drive packaging.

    3. Re:Writing on the wall by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The only people still on conventional hard drives for 'important' games are people who play Candy Crush and people who are poor college students.

      LOL WUT?

      New games are often 30+GB. My Steam folder is well over 1TB. I'm not buying a 2TB SSD that would probably cost more than the games did.

    4. Re:Writing on the wall by hort_wort · · Score: 2

      No wonder we're still waiting for a 8TB consumer drive from them.

      That might be enough to hold Star Citizen. I hope they can get it out in time.

  5. Re:Another consolation by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    You remember before verizon bought alltel there was the big five? Alltel had unlimited data both for phones and aircards. After verizon bought them? None of those plans are offered anymore. And the fcc said it wouldn't hurt competition yeah I still don't see that.

    No tmobile does not count that's unlimited 2g only. Although I'm sure verizon would be happy to let me pay for unlimited QNC again If I could find a phone that was still compatible.

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  6. Free market, anyone? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea behind free market has always been that whenever there is a buck to be made somebody will endeavor to make it

    However, the reality that we live in doesn't work like that --- your exmple of Verizon's acquisition of Alltel which puts further burdens on the consumer, and TFA's WD gobbling up SanDisk are but two of the many examples of how the big corps are fucking up the market place and nobody can do anything about it!

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    1. Re:Free market, anyone? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      The idea behind free market has always been that whenever there is a buck to be made somebody will endeavor to make it

      However, the reality that we live in doesn't work like that --- your exmple of Verizon's acquisition of Alltel which puts further burdens on the consumer, and TFA's WD gobbling up SanDisk are but two of the many examples of how the big corps are fucking up the market place and nobody can do anything about it!

      The idea behind the free market is that there are no artificial barriers to entry.

      Free Marketeers have always concentrated on government created barriers and ignored those created by private entities to prevent competition. Because of this, the free market in purity has never worked.

      Bits of the free market work when applied correctly, the same with regulation, the same with capitalism and the same with socialism. However all of these ideologies fail horribly when they're applied to the extreme.

      A few years back, someone tried to set up a "Galt's Gulch" in Chile but somehow never bothered to ask anyone who's actually lived in a developing nation what would happen. Around 2013 it fell apart because none of the brilliant libertarian businessgeniuses who invested in it realised that a 3rd world government is going to fleece them for all their worth. Something even the most dim witted, perpetually drunk, ex-pat living in Thailand or the Philippines could have told them in 2 minutes flat.

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  7. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    SSD's are typically right around $0.33/GB on the low end (up to 256GB), with prices closer to $0.30/GB at the higher end (480GB-1TB).

    The best prices right now are around $40 for 120GB, $75-80 for 240/256GB, $150-170 for 480-512GB, and $300-ish for 960GB-1TB.

  8. 8TB by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Informative

    I interpret their relative slowness to market as doing proper testing before releasing product.

    I had an array of 4 western digital 4TB drives. Added 2 Seagate 6TB drives, as they were the only company that produced them at the time. One failed after six months - replaced that one, the second died after another 4 or 5 months. I quickly bought two 6TB WD drives and mirrored the data before both Seagate drives failed again. The old 4TB WD drives are still running fine, as are the new 6TB drives, two years later.

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  9. Re:In other words by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    SSDs fell below $1/GB years ago. They've been stuck around $0.30-0.40/GB for a while.

  10. Re:In other words by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

    Many computer manufacturers still charge ~$1/GB for SSDs.

    Gods help you if your new machine takes an unusual SSD or is hard to disassemble.

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  11. Re:bad buys HURT the stock price. See HP by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

    Therefore, spending $1 billion to buy a company worth less than $1B HURTS the company's value. See HP for some dramatic examples.

    Not always true. For one example: Company A buys company B for $2.2B, but company B is only "worth" $2B. You say company A is taking a $200M loss. Looks bad at the outset, but looks can be deceiving... read on:

    But what if Company B had the potential to be a $4B value, but lacked, say for the sake of argument, $800M to ramp up production. Then Company A, that has the capital, would GAIN $1B for their investment ( 2.2B + 0.8B = $3B spent for a $4B company ). I would consider this a "good deal" on the purchase, even if it LOOKS bad at the outset.

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  12. Re:bad buys HURT the stock price. See HP by tomhath · · Score: 2

    They still wasted $200M by giving $2.2B for a company that was only worth $2B.

  13. Re:Another consolation by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    Yes on smart phone's only. plans for hotspots/aircards/tablets appear to max out at 11gb (rather odd imho as verizon will let you select up to a 100gb online) unlimited LTE is not offered.

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  14. buying it for less than R&D cost IS financial by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > The 200 Million extra spend could easily be eaten up by R&D costs and lost market share. This could be a strategic purchase, not a financial one.

    The company I work for was just aquired under just such a scenario. The board had three options:

    R&D the needed tech: $40 million
    Lease license the needed tech: $30 million
    Buy a company who had the tech: $20 million

    That IS a financial decision, I'd say.

    Ps - I don't know how many million the actual costs were for the company I work for. I do know that buying the subsidiary made better financial sense than doing the R&D or licensing the tech.

  15. Re:Cost per MB/GB/TB is ony one measure by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This doesn't account for actual usage of drive space, people with 8 TB drives might need 8TB of space, but most people STILL don't need that much space.

    There's a real problem at the very price-sensitive low end, where you need to provision an embedded device with just enough storage to boot off and store its logs. Several times we've ended up buying low-capacity SSDs from... not entirely salubrious Chinese manufacturers because they're the only ones that can hit the required price point. Everyone's chasing the high-end as-large-a-capacity-as-possible unit-sales market, but sourcing a consignment of 8GB SSDs where you're ready to order a container-load of them at once is near impossible from known-brand manufacturers.