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Nurses Use Makerspace To Invent Custom Health Care Solutions (hackaday.com)

New submitter wd5gnr writes: University of Texas Medical Branch and an MIT initiative have joined forces to create the first maker space in a hospital. Often nurses see things that would make their jobs easier or a patient's care better and now they can create custom solutions to those problems. They aim to spread this to other hospitals and form a community of medical makers.

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  1. Maker-Space in Hospital? by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Funny

    that's the delivery room.

    1. Re:Maker-Space in Hospital? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      hi daddy.

    2. Re:Maker-Space in Hospital? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Holy shit. You were the frosty piss, and you screwed it up that horribly? The hotel elevator is the maker space. The delivery room is just the destination address on the slightly torn shipping label.

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    3. Re:Maker-Space in Hospital? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The irony of someone who can't figure out how to create an account and log in calling someone who can a fuckup would be too incongruous.

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  2. Nothing patient related I hope by trout007 · · Score: 1

    Lawyers would have a field day with this.

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    1. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes the medical supply firms will be upset too. They have a vast array of products to sell each hospital. No breaking that contract with on site efforts.

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    2. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by mikael · · Score: 2

      Not really. Many patients have individual problems, like ulcers, sores or burns in particular places. Existing dressings and padding don't always fit perfectly or comfortably, especially around high pressure areas like the feet - the dressing must take the weight off the wound, but yet redistribute the weight so that it doesn't cut off circulation by pressing in elsewhere. So it takes a lot of trial and error to get the bandages wrapped comfortably.

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    3. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lawyers would have a field day with this.

      I know that this is /. but if you read TFA you'd see that this is already covered.

      I asked Young about the ramifications of making what amounts to medical devices. She replied, “Hospitals already have the processes in place to do investigational studies, and these are treated just like those studies.”

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    4. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by golodh · · Score: 1
      @trout007

      Yes, starting with copyright lawyers. As soon as anything in this sphere emerges that is useful, it will be copyrighted.

      And because of that, there will be very real legal risks for a hospital that allows its staff to just print anything and use it. Not from irate patients but from copyright holders. So they will have to impose tight controls on what gets printed and by whom, or face copyright liabilities. The field is likely thick with copyright mines already.

      As a result it's only to be expected that this practice will be tightly regulated. Not by "da gubbamint" but by hospitals and commercial firms trading in "medical grade object designs".

    5. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pfff. This is progress, just like Uber. They'll fight it and lose.

    6. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @golodh

      I think you conflate copyright and patent. But by all means carry on.

    7. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that simple. "Investigation Study" or not, if 65 year old grandpa dies on the table, someone is getting sued. If they found out that the nurse had just printed up his new stent, she's going to be the easiest target, not the "smoking for 50 years" that he did before. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY!

      The most fucked up thing about Obamacare is that Obama refused to even consider tort reform. With that, he put the country on a collision course with another financial meltdown -- this time over our healthcare industry.

    8. Re:Nothing patient related I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of world do you live in where people automatically get sued because an old person died somewhere?

  3. Really?... by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 1

    You really think it's a good idea to use your amateur radio call sign as your Slashdot user name?

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    1. Re:Really?... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      What makes you assume the person is using his own call letters? That being said, he should be just fine either way

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    2. Re:Really?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell, you two look so much alike.

  4. Smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they can 3d print some drones too. Obviously MIT has more money than they know what to do with.

  5. This needs to be regulated! by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

    Nothing must be allowed that isn't under strict government control.

    1. Re:This needs to be regulated! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I generally don't agree, but a very specific law prohibiting you, "Mr.CRC (2330444)", from posting on Slashdot is one of the few areas where stricter government control is indeed in great need.

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  6. yea and by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    when Nurse Betty, who has no design or engineering background, emails a widget to Bridget, who gets sued when the SLA widget shatters in someone's face.

    Yes I think the medical device market is retarded in their regulations ... but they were originally put there for a reason

    1. Re:yea and by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      The medical industry has a long history of coming up with unique solutions to problems, that if they continued to be unsolved, would literally mean peoples deaths. Just like adding "the internet" doesn't change anything with regard to laws (I.e. no need to have a special law against harassing people over the internet), adding "3D printer" doesn't change anything either. They could have used scotch tape and a glow stick.

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    2. Re:yea and by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I believe that there is/was a magnifying sleeve for those little tiny insulin syringes that a nurse invented so the scale on the syringe could be read easier, resulting in more precise insulin dosing...

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  7. I hope so by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's hospital. I'd like to think that some testing, training and thought goes into new processing and equipment. Some of that... oh what's it called... Scientific method?

    If you want to go guzzle snake oil in libertarian paradise go right ahead. I've got some lovely homeopathy that'll cure what ails you. Just $199.99 a dose.

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    1. Re:I hope so by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "It's hospital. I'd like to think that some testing, training and thought goes into new processing and equipment. "

      Over hill and over dale, our love shall ever fail.

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    2. Re:I hope so by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Having actually seen a fair number of nurses in action, I wouldn't trust any of them to actually "invent" anything. They generally need the soul stifling regulation and the somewhat military approach to procedure.

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  8. Not as efficient by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Yes I think the medical device market is retarded in their regulations ... but they were originally put there for a reason

    The problem with this position is that it's not very efficient.

    The regulations have grown to mean "safety at any cost", which means that in many cases effective care has become a lower priority than perfect safety.

    Many examples abound. I chatted with a researcher at Berman Gund who said that he had a cure for a specific genetic disease that affects about 250 people in America (and proportionally the rest of the world). He said that many researchers have promising treatments for these less common ailments, but that it's impossible to navigate the FDA regulations due to cost.

    It takes $2.5 billion to bring a drug to market, and no company would pay that expense to cure 250 people.

    I remember reading an announcement for a migraine cure using magnetic fields (TMS). It was a sort of curved wand, like the end of a hockey stick. You place the bent end against the back of your head and press a button to give a burst of magnetic field and your migraine stops. The researchers stated that they were throwing the research to the public because they couldn't afford to bring the device to market due to FDA regulations.

    I also remember during the height of the AIDS thing where people who had a demonstrably fatal disease couldn't choose alternative therapies which had yet to be deemed "safe".

    You can't get out of the system, even with informed consent.

    So the result is that very few people get harmed by medical devices (and procedures), but a very large proportion of sick people get harmed by not having access to slightly less safe devices.

    We've missed having a balance, and as a result medical technology has pretty-much stagnated.

    1. Re:Not as efficient by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

      People will always cut corners whenever given the option.

      The reason it became "safety at any cost" is because if the more reasonable "safe when convenient to do so" becomes safe only when it doesn't impact profit by a single cent.

      Yes it is a PITA, (I deal with it every day), but while the alternatives could improve 1% of cases, it would be abused to reduce quality on the other 99%.

      So net positive, even when it creates some glaringly stupid situations.

    2. Re: Not as efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read about a treatment where banging two rocks together cures cancer, but hospitals won't let patients bring rocks into rooms.

    3. Re:Not as efficient by Gim+Tom · · Score: 1

      In 50 to 100 years the practice of patient care today will be viewed in much the same way we view leaches and bloodletting and the concept that disease is due to the "humors" in the body not being in balance. Some very simple things could really go a long way to improving patient care and comfort.

      During my late wife's final stay in the hospital she had to have what is called an NG (Nasal Gastrointestinal) tube inserted through her nose which kept her stomach pumped since peristalsis had shut down for her entire gastrointestinal tract. The connections between the tube in her nose, and the vacuum system keeping her stomach empty were crude beyond belief. Simple tapered ends to the tubes that were forced together. Disconnecting her for ANY reason was a major operation requiring at least one and sometimes two nurses. Even then there was almost always spillage of the fluids being pumped on her and others in the room.

      I am an engineer (retired) and could see half a dozen or more simple and only slightly more expensive ways to connect two vacuum tubes together that would be easier, safer and cleaner to connect and disconnect. The nurses knew this too and we talked about it, but it is virtually impossible to get any changes like this made unless the equipment vendors and the hospitals can all make more money off of it. For NG tubes that is not usually the case since they are usually not used for long as my wife required and then they are gone.

    4. Re:Not as efficient by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      "It's like the god damned Spanish Inquisition."

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    5. Re:Not as efficient by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, slowing down a cure by a few years might very well kill more through inaction than all the lives saved due to caution so far.

      What is an annual lag of, say, an unrealistically small 2% worth, compounded annually for 70 years? M8llions of lives? Tens of millions?

      Caution only saves some over lawsuits and disconfirming field results. However, it looks a lot better in front of a camera.

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  9. Nothing new by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The medical profession has been doing this for years. Physicians, surgeons, nurses and physical therapists have been making their own tools and gear to help their patients since at least the early '80s. I worked with an orthopedic surgeon, her nurse and a physical therapist back then who were creating stuff in a workshop, with lathes, hammers, molds, cork, leather, plaster, plastic and steel. They made orthotics, braces, instruments, even silastic implants. Stuff patients could take home and use to make their lives easier.

    Rehabilitation medicine has been a "maker space" before makers were cool. Or thought they were cool.

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    1. Re:Nothing new by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      They had a couple of MASH episodes along these lines.

      That's a 70s show about what went on in the 50s.

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    2. Re:Nothing new by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I recall the vascular clamp episode, was there another?

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  10. Hospitals are already shark tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We really don't need makerspaces, hackathons, and venture capitalists buzzing through hospitals.

  11. Probably the best just in time inventors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I like how the comments on this article are about, "Oh, no, this shit can't happen, because there will be too many problems."

    I'd like to see you say that when you're on a gurney bleeding your guts out and some "nurse" has to fashion a quick invention to save your shitty attitude of a life. Just so you can sue her.

    Doctors and nurses, for centuries, have been doing just this sort of thing: finding A way, ANY WAY, to save a life. Ncessity, the true mother of invention, and in a hyper critical time of do or die. Usually gives us the best inventions.

    I'm all for it. I'd rather a guy spend his life WITHOUT a leg, than to just fucking die. Human life is more important than some douchebag who thinks everyone has to be safe from people with --- experience? Yeah, experience. Most nurses have that.

    Shit happens, I understand that. But it's the 1% rule. 1% of the time, it happens. The other 99%, it doesn't. You only hear about the 1% of the time shit goes wrong.

  12. Honestly surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That anyone in Texas is smart enough to invent anything but hatred and inbreeding.

    1. Re:Honestly surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you are surprised by a lot of things.

    2. Re:Honestly surprised by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      And I will be honestly surprised when an AC has something useful to contribute to the conversation.

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    3. Re:Honestly surprised by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in a hospital makerspace, a nurse just developed a treatment for that nasty burn you just issued.

    4. Re:Honestly surprised by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I may come from the East Coast, but everyone knows, you don't mess with Texas. :)

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  13. Nurses are the backbone of healthcare. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Physicians may dictate the parameters and protocols, but it is nurses who care for you minute by minute.

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  14. Disappointing mis-read by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

    Thought it said "Nurses" and "Make-out Spaces" I've been watching too much por...um, poorly plotted low budget movies.

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  15. Confusing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If nurses are over 90% female, are these only going to be used by the less than 10% of male nurses, since women have no interest in technology?