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Samsung 950 Pro Brings NVMe To M.2, Over 2.5GB/s

Vigile writes: Samsung just released its first non-OEM, consumer level NVMe enabled SSD, the 950 Pro series. This drive will ship in an M.2 form factor rather than a 2.5-in drive size that is the standard for users today, allowing installation into notebooks, small form factor PCs and desktop PCs that have at least one M.2 slot on-board. It peaks at 512GB capacity today but Samsung promises a 1TB version using 48-layer VNAND in 2016. The NVMe protocol allows much better performance directly over the PCIe bus without the overhead of the AHCI protocol used in hard drives and previous SSDs. PC Perspective's review has performance breaking the 2.5GB/s read speed level while also introducing an entirely new type of performance evaluation for SSDs centered around latency distribution of IOs. By measuring how long each IO takes, rather than reporting only an average, the performance of an SSD can be determined on a per-workflow basis and drives can be compared in an entirely new light. There is a lot of detail on to be read over and digested but again the new NVMe Samsung 950 Pro impresses. Hot Hardware takes a similarly data-dump-heavy look at the same drive.

36 comments

  1. Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Funny

    finally, news for nerds: non-OEM, NVMe, SSD, and 950....all in one sentence. well played, sir.

    1. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by sexconker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Legitimately the goodest and nerdest news I've heard on Slashdot in a long time.

      And for those of us with desktops without PCIe, M-keyed, M.2 slots, there are adapters.
      Bootability depends om your mobo/bios/uefi/hairdo.

    2. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      SAS M.2 adapter. They already have M.2 SSD to 2.5" SATA III adapters.

      I would fit 4x into a 3.5" drive and make a SSD NAS.

    3. Re: Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      Does anyone know what current laptops out there support booting to an NVMe drive such as this one, if any?

    4. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

      The good news is you could have a 80Gb/s Raid 0. The bad news is that it would be bottlenecked by a 6Gb/s transfer bus.

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    5. Re: Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by slaker · · Score: 1

      I've been putting m.2 drives in ThinkPads for a year. I've seen them in various flavors of 2014 and later Ultrabook models and of course you can always get a SATA or SAS adapter.

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    6. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, he left out 3D crosspoint. That's where it's at now.

    7. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by unrtst · · Score: 2

      Best news since, well, at least this morning: http://hardware.slashdot.org/s...

    8. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by slaker · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone will make an M.2 to Infiniband adapter.

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    9. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yeah but that's going to be OEM only - aka pay Dell waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much for a server with it and be unable to buy it separately, have the actual part number when you try to buy it on the server configuration page, etc. OEMs are like car dealerships.

    10. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by Kjella · · Score: 1

      The 950 Pro is a prosumer drive.
      The PM1725 is an enterprise drive.

      It's not really an either-or, you'd never use one instead of the other. And I think even on /. the potential 950 owners greatly outnumber those who'll ever see a PM1725.

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    11. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wrong...
      m.2 rates by PCI bus width:

      PCI-E 2.0 x2 8 Gb/s (1 GB/s) 6.4 Gb/s (800 MB/s)
      PCI-E 2.0 x4 16 Gb/s (2 GB/s) 12.8 Gb/s (1.6 GB/s)
      PCI-E 3.0 x4 32 Gb/s (4 GB/s) 31.5 Gb/s (3.9 GB/s)

    12. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Car-analogy fail. The car-analogy of an OEM is, get this, an OEM.

      OEMs supply the parts to the assembler.

      Car dealers don't assemble the car, the sell the car. Dell does both but it also distributes to dealers.

    13. Re:Winner/winner, Chicken Dinner by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Dell, and most OEMs you as an end customer buy server shit from, sell you a boxed product - the equipment.
      They buy individual parts from other OEMs.

      They are like car dealerships with regards to your interaction with them as an end customer.
      If you are buying parts from them and doing your own assembly, you become an OEM yourself.

  2. At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't get me wrong - we're not there yet, for write endurance or for absolute speed. Not many people are going to consider a warranty of 800 write cycles sufficient for RAM usage.

    Still, transfer speeds on DDR3 are in the 12GB/s range (at 1600MHz), and recent testing shows DDR4 speed isn't really providing a huge benefit to actual computing. Sequential writes, as I would mostly expect moving from SDRAM to a swapfile, is within an order of magnitude of DDR3 speeds, and more like 1:5 for reads where responsiveness matters.

    Are we going to get to the point in the next 3-5 years where most people are scaling back to 2-4GB of RAM in favor of using the swapfile on a PCIe SSD? Might we see low power machines eschewing SDRAM except for graphics memory and zero page, as many dropped discrete graphics for onboard GPUs half a dozen years ago?

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    1. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Samsung stick has only 20% of the speed of DDR3 and enough extra latency that it would be a painful step backward.

      Although isn't that basically the system used by smartphones and tablets? Suspend the app and page it to flash when you switch to another context? But they also have much smaller applications and have like 1-2 GM RAM to begin with.

      I think where that system might work better overall is on virtualization hosts where active memory is much lower than assigned memory. Those inactive pages available on a fast swap drive would make high density hosts a lot less painful than generic disk swapping.

    2. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly what you're asking for, but something similar is coming in the near future. Search for "Intel's crazy-fast 3D XPoint Optane memory heads for DDR slots (but with a catch)" on the google you'll find PCWorld's article that talks about it.

    3. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see people scaling back, if dram prices stay as low as they are now (or get lower).

    4. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      android phones have horrible resource management, the api is badly engineered and it's slow as knobs

      a decade old computer with one *tenth* of the specs of my current phone is significantly more functional

    5. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get me wrong - we're not there yet, for write endurance or for absolute speed. Not many people are going to consider a warranty of 800 write cycles sufficient for RAM usage.

      Probably not many, but some of my old computers have memory that only handled a single write, and the manufacturer used that one before they delivered it.
      Not very useful for ram, but if you put your OS on it it boots really fast.

    6. Re:At what point will SDRAM quantites go down? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You say it like 20% is dog slow. We ran servers off of DDR200 (or perhaps it was 400) just a few years ago. It served all the data for my engineering firm, which was running 3-4 CAD stations. And, TBH, our CAD files haven't changed much. Heck, one of my contract drafters still uses the CAD version and workstation he was using back in 2007.

      Again - it's not up to snuff, but it seems to be gaining.

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  3. M.2 is awesome by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 2

    I've got the (presumably?) OEM version in my current desktop: Samsung SM951 M.2

    As far as I can tell, load times don't exist anymore. ;)

    The thing is also surprisingly small, more so than you would expect from pictures. You could probably fit 20 of these into the space of a 2.5in drive.

    1. Re:M.2 is awesome by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh one thing though:
      Win7 M.2 support does not seem to exist. No success installing that one for me.
      Win8 no idea (but from what I could find online, it seems to be tricky).
      Win10 works.
      Linux Mint works.

    2. Re: M.2 is awesome by slaker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Windows 7 support is iffy, but I've gotten it to work on X99 boards with some drives (Plextor in my case). I couldn't get either Samsung or Plextor drives to boot Windows 7 in a ThinkPad T450 though.

      Yes, they're fast. They're also REALLY warm. They're downright uncomfortable to touch with a finger after they're been on for a while. Keep that in mind if you are thinking about sticking in your laptop.

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    3. Re: M.2 is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the Samsung-950 drives the problems (at least with my ASRock 970 Performance motherboard) generally come down to use UEFI. Apparently there are some issues installing Windows from a DVD but it works from a thumbdrive as thats the only way to make a UEFI bootable install..

      My Linux mint install was not bootable when I left everything default: I had to boot the installer via UEFI for it to make a bootable install on the drive.

    4. Re: M.2 is awesome by slaker · · Score: 1

      That's weird. When I did Server 2012r2 on my big home system (Gigabyte X99), I found that the USB installer kept bombing but the DVD worked fine. It's weird how picky and non-standardized UEFI implementations are.

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    5. Re: M.2 is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had an issue with a laptop where installing Windows 8.1 would result in the trackpad not working, even with the latest drivers drivers. After some searching online, found out that disabling UEFI and going to Legacy mode / CSM would make the trackpad work.

    6. Re:M.2 is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm running a Samsung M.2 951 using win7 with no problems at all. The only issues were BIOS related because it was very new at the time. There was a motherboard workaround where now that motherboard has an updated BIOS. I suspect there would be no issue at all for one using an up to date motherboard and M.2 drives with Windows 7. The lack of SATA really shouldn't be an issue with any modern OS should it?

    7. Re:M.2 is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that is just not true at all.

      I have an SM951 on an Asus Z97 board with Win7 and no noteworthy issues to report.

  4. Faster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, so the fancy new NVMe 950 Pro is no faster than the "slow" SM951 ACHI version?
    256060514304 bytes (256 GB) copied, 94.366 s, 2.7 GB/s

    1. Re:Faster? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      NVMe gives a bit less latency than AHCI. It's a nice-to-have maybe but that's the most significant difference (NVMe is supposedly better with thousands of concurrent read or writes, we don't care much about that on a desktop)
      No great need to care but when it will be mundane hardware you should choose PCIe NVMe over PCIe AHCI and forget about it.

  5. Overheating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been thinking of putting m.2 SSDs in my machine but I wonder how these deal with heat since I don't think they always have heat sinks.

    Anybody knows if they throttle after a while?

  6. About the same as the sata III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tested the Sata III 950 in rapid mode and the OEM M.2 with skylake i5 and DDR4. Cloned drives same computer. Speed is about the same. M.2 is cooler cus the size is smaller, but there's really not much of a difference in real stuff. The non OEM version might have a little bit better numbers, but not by much.

  7. Nice!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couple of those on a raidcard should definitely be a speedy combination :)

  8. Hot hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny place to show off an overheating drive.

  9. NVMe is not SATA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your Motherboard must support NVMe or this wont work as it isn't compatible with SATA/AHCI. It's got nothing to do with Windows - If windows doesn't see the drive, the problem is with the boards firmware. I've got an M.2 Slot and it supposedly supports NVMe (recent update from Asus) and it's 2 years old. Simply put, if you have an older Z8 series board, you're screwed/blued and hopefully not tattoo'd so once again, this is to push the Forced Obsolesence by Intel.