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Secret Service Allowed To Use Warrantless Cellphone Tracking (myway.com)
mi writes: A mere belief in there being a threat against the President or any other protected person is now sufficient for the U.S. Secret Service to use cell-site simulators (commonly known as "stingrays"). In certain "exceptional circumstances," the stingrays can be used without a judge-signed warrant and even without probable cause. When asked whether this essentially granted a blanket exception for the Secret Service, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Seth Stodder said the exemption would not be used in routine criminal probes, such as a counterfeiting investigation. I suppose, the personal verbal assurance of an executive-branch government employee should put all fears of the citizenry to rest.
the stingeays can be used without a judge-signed warrant and ...
What's left to say that hasn't already been said?
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It's only (reportedly) used in situations where the president is likely to be in danger.
At some point, you are willing to ruin your court case in exchange for protecting your president.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So, all people have to do is say "it's a threat" and they can do whatever the fuck they want now...
Great!
Can we just all gang up and export our politicians into space?
What? No! Who said they'd need space suits?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
as their name implies.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized; unless the government doesn't feel like it.
FTFY
Exceptional circumstances, like "Today's a day ending in a 'y'"
In other news, it is reported that Secret Service is allowed to use guns and rifles. The fact that one does not see agents firing their guns everyday is simply because unless in "exceptional circumstances" there is no need, not because they are not allowed to.
They say they won't use stingrays without warrants for routine investigations. But some people don't trust them, and complain about this statement. So let's say instead they promised they wouldn't use them without warrants at all. What difference does it make? The same people responsible for making sure they don't use them without warrants are the ones who will be responsible for making sure they don't use them without warrants for routine investigations. If you don't trust them (which is perfectly reasonable), why does it matter what they promise? What would be improved if they promised not to use them without warrants at all? Why do you care what promises someone you don't trust makes?
Dear Leader must be protected after all. There are many terrible secrets of space..
Google tracks cell phones without a warrant and they don't need a belief in anything to do it. When corporations track and commoditize you like an animal, what do you care about your privacy?
> Can't be that bad, and it definitely will be brief.
A friend of mine stuck a gun in his mouth. Splattered across the wall was the part of his brain that controls muscle function. Now he's a prisoner of paralysis.
To anyone seriously thinking along these lines, that's a very permanent solution to a temporary problem. Remember in high school it was the end of the world when that girl or guy you liked went to the prom with someone else or whatever? Now, it doesn't seem to matter at all. Whatever today's problem is, whatever is the end of the world today, will seem almost as unimportant after a while.
Very few people are worried about government surveillance, they're much more concerned that Muslims are 'taking over America' and that 'SJWs' are ruining their freedom. Why fight a powerful enemy when you can scapegoat women and minorities? What was it Hitler said? How fortunate for those in power that the people are so stupid.
so ideally have a professional cop dispatch you ? nice thinking. bravo. just shoot up a school.
thats how we get school shootings dumbass. let the nice AC shoot himself in the head.
Hmm. I must have missed that bit in the constitution. You know, that document we rely on to limit the power of the government so they don't abuse the population and get all tyrannical? Reckon I'll just have to put on my constitution-reading glasses and have another look. Bup bup bup shall not be infringed yadda yadda due process blah blah blah, nope, don't see that in there! Maybe I have one of those abridged constitutions. Maybe they cut the boring shit out to save space, or something.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The way the years are melting away the older I get, I see no need for suicide. Life will be over soon anyway.
While you're here, try to see the beauty in the things that you take for granted. Know that all things are impermanent, including who you are.
Logging is a very useful tool for me. The less I say about that the better for you.
LEO - what does Low Earth Orbiter have to do with this?
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In 2008, when this very site discussed John McCain's opinion on warrantless wiretapping, his views were sufficiently unpopular for TFA to be tagged voteobama...
The first post requested a link on Obama's view on the subject — and got a +1 Interesting upvote. The reply — with a level-5 moderation — quoted a promise by the then junior Senator from Illinois thus:
All of you, fellow Slashdotters, who voted for the post-racial Nobel Peace Prize winner based on that (or similar) promise, should ask for your money back. Public self-flagellation is optional.
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I heard that Obama is actually the one buying all the illegal fetal tissue samples from Planned Parenthood so he can rub them all over his body at night. Then he eats them. He said he really prefers whole babies with a heartbeat because, and I quote, "They taste the best".
Gun are mostly used to intimidate the public and bullies them into giving up basic human right and decency. Only in exceptional circumstance they need to put down the unruly peasant. e.g.: 9 time out of 10, the peasant submit every time.
Do you feel better now?
Need a hug?
*hugs you*
If you still believe Mr. Stodder means what he said, I have couple of bridges to sell ya!
> Can't be that bad, and it definitely will be brief.
A friend of mine stuck a gun in his mouth. Splattered across the wall was the part of his brain that controls muscle function. Now he's a prisoner of paralysis.
To anyone seriously thinking along these lines, that's a very permanent solution to a temporary problem. Remember in high school it was the end of the world when that girl or guy you liked went to the prom with someone else or whatever? Now, it doesn't seem to matter at all. Whatever today's problem is, whatever is the end of the world today, will seem almost as unimportant after a while.
You really would feel like a numb-nuts, if you couldn't even do that right...
In other news, it is reported that Secret Service is allowed to use guns and rifles. The fact that one does not see agents firing their guns everyday is simply because unless in "exceptional circumstances" there is no need, not because they are not allowed to.
So is every body else.
At least to the extent this civil right is not "infringed", in violation of the constitution. or lost, along with other civil rights, as part of the penalty for conviction of a {constitutionally valid} crime.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Very few people are worried about government surveillance ...
The very fact that we're having this conversation proves that statement wrong. There are plenty of people who care. Some of them are in high places. Some of them are doing their best to stop it.
But the press gets its power mainly by creating illusions for the legislators about how much, and which way, the voters care about various issues.
"Nobody cares" really means that Sumner Redstone (CBS), GE and Vivendi (NBC), The Walt Disney Company (ABC), Rupert Murdoch (Fox News, Newscorp, WSJ), Mitt Romney (now via his cronies) (Clear Channel), and Garry Pruit (the CEO) and a "bunch of rich guys" who bought the rest of the newspapers from the conglomerates (AP), all want the government to snoop.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Parent post got a down-mod within 45 minutes. I wonder if any meta-moderators believe that's an abuse?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
There is help available for people like you. Mostly their advice will amount to STFU, before you hurt yourself.
Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden 2016!
I don't have any ethical qualms about suicide but, yes, much the same. I've made it this far and new and interesting things keep happening to me. Why quit now? Age will claim me soon enough. I hope... I really don't want to live forever - nor do I want to be mentally incapacitated and need to rely on a someone to take care of me.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
That's where the aliens are with their brain waves. Duh. ;-)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
As I understand it, if the Secret Service wanted to go and start stingraying everybody, there's nothing really historically stopping them other than "anything they picked up wouldn't necessarily be admissible in court," and all that's changed is that a few more situations would make any collected evidence admissible. This goes for any method of evidence collection. There was some discussion a few days ago in another thread about police needing a warrant to use FLIR to look at possible growhouses, and it's the same situation: they can still do it, but the evidence would be inadmissible and if they'd have some legal problems if they hit the house.
All that's changed here is that they can go straight to the stingray if (1) there's a threat to the president, (2) they have probable cause, and (3) there's demonstrably no time to get a warrant. If they wanted to start collecting your cell phone data without any practical use for it, it's already being done. The technology cat is out of the proverbial bag, and if you really don't want to be tracked by phone then you might just have to stop carrying one everywhere.
Basically: why are you any more worried now than you were when the technology was invented?
Seems like a pot and kettle exchange...
Had the network been properly hardened, with a list of valid towers, then a user's cell phone would never erroneously connect to a Stingray tower.
Now, certainly, law enforcement might work with cell providers to put their spy devices on the list of valid towers. But that would require effort. As it is, dumb devices connect blindly to spy devices and divulge secrets, all with no extra effort from the criminals in charge.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Separation of powers. No agency (especially in the Executive branch) has dictorial powers. Only Congress can grant additional powers, and even then it is limited, as it must fit the framework of the U.S. Constitution. You and I have RIGHTS, and those can't be just swept aside because somebody wants to.
If the courts allow this on any level, then those courts are just as criminal and the judge should be removed, even if that requires military force.
The problem is that this (and the Secret Service in general) makes everyone, especially the ruling class, believe that the ruling class is actually important to this country (the USA). I've always believed that if we really want to fight "evil-doers," examples come from leadership.
There was a threat to the US Capital Building and all of the Senators and Representatives left the city out of fear, sorry, for their own safety. I would really have admired them if one simply said something along the lines "if you kill me, there are 319 million other people ready to take my place." I don't expect them to die for the job, but I would like to see a little gumption.
Instead we go though airports taking off shoes and belts and now have wireless wire tapping to keep our "leaders" safe. What has become of the USA.
Sort of like saying trust me, after they lied about all the bulk surveillance going on from snowden. And what happened with that anyway? Has anyone been fired or gone to prison for that yet??
WTF is a person to believe anymore....
So if you're going to make questionable phone calls, do it from a spot you know has lousy cell coverage. That way when the coverage dramatically improves you'll know to temper your free speech.
He had something good to say, but you just had to call him a fucking loser prick. Boy, you are a dumbass. I hope some big guy named...
That was really articulate and intelligent.
I'd like to have The End on my terms and under my control.
There is literally nothing stopping the government from doing whatever the fuck they want to. You think a piece of paper with words written on it will stop a willing criminal? Gun free zone signs work? They own you and your physical property. The last bastion of freedom resides in your thoughts, for now. Our government is far too big for any one to do shit about it. This shit car was set in motion at a time when people thought bloodletting was viable medicine. Relying on documents written by cavemen is bad practice.
Not in the mouth. under the chin against the throat pointed at ~ a 30 deg angle to take out the brain stem. Just point to where the back of your head joins the neck. No brainstem, no autonomous nervous activity, no heartbeat or respiration.
To be honest, I kind of expect to tire of it all, eventually, and not want to deal with mental degradation and physical ailments any longer. At that point, I'd not be surprised to see me go out in a heady, warm blanket, opiate overdose while nodding out and enjoying the last few minutes of awareness. I always thought that would be a pleasing way to go if, you know, you have to pick. My other option includes words like, 'sudden,' unexpected,' 'painless,' 'gory,' and 'chunks.' I haven't quite figured out how to do that without causing severe trauma to others. PAS, physician assisted suicide, should be a thing - a more common and easily acquired thing.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Just get caught for speeding, then try to accelerate away when the cop touches your car.
Or even just run away from the car after stopping. As a bonus, you get a free gun.
Unfortunately, if you are white, you may have to do this in blackface.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
You're the one suggesting suicide by cop. Worse still you're pointing out that a very effective way of doing this would be to "just shoot up a school."
I've had suicidal thoughts before and there are people I have hated in my life, but I've never considered taking anyone else along with me. I suppose just showing up at a school with a couple guns and firing into the ceiling would probably assure that no kids got hurt. Maybe blanks? That way after you're dead they'd realize you didn't actually want to hurt the kids.
I don't recall the statistic but quite a few people manage to survive attempted suicides with guns. If they do survive they're going to almost certainly suffer the effects for the rest of their lives.
I'm very pro 2nd amendment but knowing what I can get like especially when I'm drunk is why I don't own a gun personally. (Well, that and I don't feel I need one for protection and although target shooting or hunting might be fun I've got more than enough stuff to keep me busy).
And no matter how close I have come to suicide, I'm glad I never did because as many problems as I have with my life, I've actually got it pretty good and more often than not I enjoy my life.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
"Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Seth Stodder said the exemption would not be used in routine criminal probes, such as a counterfeiting investigation."
Yup, no fear.
They think we are this naive. Well, most of us are.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
The "solution" to the government "problem" is then obvious.
Deputize all law enforcement, all Three Letter Agency employees, hell deputize all government employees, as members of the Secret Service.
That way everyone the government wants to have illegal, warrantless spying, can now do so! Problem solved, I'll send you my bill later.