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Secret Service Allowed To Use Warrantless Cellphone Tracking (myway.com)
mi writes: A mere belief in there being a threat against the President or any other protected person is now sufficient for the U.S. Secret Service to use cell-site simulators (commonly known as "stingrays"). In certain "exceptional circumstances," the stingrays can be used without a judge-signed warrant and even without probable cause. When asked whether this essentially granted a blanket exception for the Secret Service, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Seth Stodder said the exemption would not be used in routine criminal probes, such as a counterfeiting investigation. I suppose, the personal verbal assurance of an executive-branch government employee should put all fears of the citizenry to rest.
It's only (reportedly) used in situations where the president is likely to be in danger.
At some point, you are willing to ruin your court case in exchange for protecting your president.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So, all people have to do is say "it's a threat" and they can do whatever the fuck they want now...
Great!
Can we just all gang up and export our politicians into space?
What? No! Who said they'd need space suits?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
as their name implies.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized; unless the government doesn't feel like it.
FTFY
Exceptional circumstances, like "Today's a day ending in a 'y'"
> Can't be that bad, and it definitely will be brief.
A friend of mine stuck a gun in his mouth. Splattered across the wall was the part of his brain that controls muscle function. Now he's a prisoner of paralysis.
To anyone seriously thinking along these lines, that's a very permanent solution to a temporary problem. Remember in high school it was the end of the world when that girl or guy you liked went to the prom with someone else or whatever? Now, it doesn't seem to matter at all. Whatever today's problem is, whatever is the end of the world today, will seem almost as unimportant after a while.
Hmm. I must have missed that bit in the constitution. You know, that document we rely on to limit the power of the government so they don't abuse the population and get all tyrannical? Reckon I'll just have to put on my constitution-reading glasses and have another look. Bup bup bup shall not be infringed yadda yadda due process blah blah blah, nope, don't see that in there! Maybe I have one of those abridged constitutions. Maybe they cut the boring shit out to save space, or something.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The way the years are melting away the older I get, I see no need for suicide. Life will be over soon anyway.
While you're here, try to see the beauty in the things that you take for granted. Know that all things are impermanent, including who you are.
Google tracks cell phones without a warrant and they don't need a belief in anything to do it. When corporations track and commoditize you like an animal, what do you care about your privacy?
The constitution doesn't limit what Google can do, it limits what the government can do. It would take new laws being written to say that Google can't do track you, which would be shortly followed by Google going out of business. On the other hand, this is big news that the SS can do this, because constitutionally, no they can't.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Logging is a very useful tool for me. The less I say about that the better for you.
You grant Google tracking permissions and can opt out. You've been able to do this since like 2008, but it's just been recently that they've screwed up the interface.
Nothing new..
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In 2008, when this very site discussed John McCain's opinion on warrantless wiretapping, his views were sufficiently unpopular for TFA to be tagged voteobama...
The first post requested a link on Obama's view on the subject — and got a +1 Interesting upvote. The reply — with a level-5 moderation — quoted a promise by the then junior Senator from Illinois thus:
All of you, fellow Slashdotters, who voted for the post-racial Nobel Peace Prize winner based on that (or similar) promise, should ask for your money back. Public self-flagellation is optional.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Do you feel better now?
Need a hug?
*hugs you*
I never heard the officials explaining why getting a warrant is a problem. Would that prevent them from protecting the POTUS or investigating a crime?
There is no check up on this, just as there isn't for all that NSA stuff. A check box, "did you get a warrant?" with no alarms going off if you didn't, and no tracking of what you looked at in any case, is a recipe for corruption to spy on politic enemies.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
In other news, it is reported that Secret Service is allowed to use guns and rifles. The fact that one does not see agents firing their guns everyday is simply because unless in "exceptional circumstances" there is no need, not because they are not allowed to.
So is every body else.
At least to the extent this civil right is not "infringed", in violation of the constitution. or lost, along with other civil rights, as part of the penalty for conviction of a {constitutionally valid} crime.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Very few people are worried about government surveillance ...
The very fact that we're having this conversation proves that statement wrong. There are plenty of people who care. Some of them are in high places. Some of them are doing their best to stop it.
But the press gets its power mainly by creating illusions for the legislators about how much, and which way, the voters care about various issues.
"Nobody cares" really means that Sumner Redstone (CBS), GE and Vivendi (NBC), The Walt Disney Company (ABC), Rupert Murdoch (Fox News, Newscorp, WSJ), Mitt Romney (now via his cronies) (Clear Channel), and Garry Pruit (the CEO) and a "bunch of rich guys" who bought the rest of the newspapers from the conglomerates (AP), all want the government to snoop.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
As if having one judge standby per state was not worth upholding the Constitution.
One thing: If nothing decisive is being done very soon, things will get a _lot_ worse.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I don't have any ethical qualms about suicide but, yes, much the same. I've made it this far and new and interesting things keep happening to me. Why quit now? Age will claim me soon enough. I hope... I really don't want to live forever - nor do I want to be mentally incapacitated and need to rely on a someone to take care of me.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
And the exceptional circumstance clause in the Constitution says what? I mean I have been back and forth through it and I just can't find that part that says they can disregard if they really really want to.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
That's where the aliens are with their brain waves. Duh. ;-)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
As I understand it, if the Secret Service wanted to go and start stingraying everybody, there's nothing really historically stopping them other than "anything they picked up wouldn't necessarily be admissible in court," and all that's changed is that a few more situations would make any collected evidence admissible. This goes for any method of evidence collection. There was some discussion a few days ago in another thread about police needing a warrant to use FLIR to look at possible growhouses, and it's the same situation: they can still do it, but the evidence would be inadmissible and if they'd have some legal problems if they hit the house.
All that's changed here is that they can go straight to the stingray if (1) there's a threat to the president, (2) they have probable cause, and (3) there's demonstrably no time to get a warrant. If they wanted to start collecting your cell phone data without any practical use for it, it's already being done. The technology cat is out of the proverbial bag, and if you really don't want to be tracked by phone then you might just have to stop carrying one everywhere.
Basically: why are you any more worried now than you were when the technology was invented?
Had the network been properly hardened, with a list of valid towers, then a user's cell phone would never erroneously connect to a Stingray tower.
Now, certainly, law enforcement might work with cell providers to put their spy devices on the list of valid towers. But that would require effort. As it is, dumb devices connect blindly to spy devices and divulge secrets, all with no extra effort from the criminals in charge.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
No, he means the Joe Biden who isn't running for president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That was really articulate and intelligent.
To be honest, I kind of expect to tire of it all, eventually, and not want to deal with mental degradation and physical ailments any longer. At that point, I'd not be surprised to see me go out in a heady, warm blanket, opiate overdose while nodding out and enjoying the last few minutes of awareness. I always thought that would be a pleasing way to go if, you know, you have to pick. My other option includes words like, 'sudden,' unexpected,' 'painless,' 'gory,' and 'chunks.' I haven't quite figured out how to do that without causing severe trauma to others. PAS, physician assisted suicide, should be a thing - a more common and easily acquired thing.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
That could explain why my freedom tasted a bit funny this morning....
Which is why "original intent" should be the standard. We have all kinds of documents written that show what the original intended meaning of the document was. But no, the left convinced people that original intent was wrong-headed because it did not allow them to GPs path.
The problem is not that we are putting our faith in 200 year old words. The problem is that we decided to ignore them for so long that any attempt to now follow them is basically useless.
Just get caught for speeding, then try to accelerate away when the cop touches your car.
Or even just run away from the car after stopping. As a bonus, you get a free gun.
Unfortunately, if you are white, you may have to do this in blackface.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
"Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Seth Stodder said the exemption would not be used in routine criminal probes, such as a counterfeiting investigation."
Yup, no fear.
They think we are this naive. Well, most of us are.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.