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US Senate Passes the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act 74-21 (dailydot.com)
blottsie writes with news that the U.S. Senate voted 74-21 in favor of CISA, a controversial cybersecurity bill. All five amendments submitted in an attempt to bolster privacy failed to pass. From The Guardian's coverage:
Try asking the bill’s sponsors how the bill will prevent cyberattacks or force companies and governments to improve their defenses. They can’t answer. They will use buzzwords like “info-sharing” yet will conveniently ignore the fact that companies and the government can already share information with each other as is. There were barely any actual cybersecurity experts who were for the bill. A large group of respected computer scientists and engineers were against it. So were cyberlaw professors. Civil liberties groups uniformly opposed (and were appalled by) the bill. So did consumer groups. So did the vast majority of giant tech companies. Yet it still sailed through the Senate, mostly because lawmakers - many of whom can barely operate their own email - know hardly anything about the technology that they’re crafting legislation about.
Fuck yeah!
Blaming ignorance is more credit than they deserve. Willful ignorance is a choice of action, whereas ignorance is sometime forgivable. If they listened to any of the concerned parties they certainly didn't show it here.
Senators don't pass bills they know nothing about, they pass bills they see as having some sort of benefit. Benefits might be popularity, might be to appease donator, might be something darker. What benefit did they get from passing this and from whom? Who encouraged them to pass it?
Information does want to be free, after all.
is 'American Politician'.
Baaaa!
Seriously, I know there's that guy who posts that on every thread, but today it's true.
You're all sheep.
And you don't live in a Democracy.
You don't even live in a Democratic Republic.
In a Democratic Republic you have Rights.
You only have serfdom.
And no privacy.
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They can't even pass a budget.
They voted for government and against people.
Obligatory list of how each critter voted.
The type of language used in the summary doesn't help at all. The jabs about e-mail knowledge are akin to a non-techie saying "technical people don't know anything about people." It's adolescent and completely unproductive. It's okay to disagree, but do it with some intelligence.
Another fine piece of legislation co-authored by Dianne Feinstein. What the hell is wrong with California that they have kept this cunt in office for over 20 years?
well, there was really no point in the government continuing to pretend it wasn't happening.
This legislation just codifies it.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Yet it still sailed through the Senate, mostly because lawmakers - many of whom can barely operate their own email - know hardly anything about the technology that theyâ(TM)re crafting legislation about.
Bullshit. They know damned well what they're doing: They're legalizing more and more surveillance and privacy violation of U.S. citizens, because they can. Them, them, fuck them.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
The sets of ignorant Congressmen, stupid Congressmen, and evil Congressmen are all large. The union of all three encompasses almost the entire membership.
It wouldn't be quite so bad if only any one of those sets were problematic and we could concentrate all efforts on obliterating it. As it is, our only roles are Sisyphus, Don Quixote, or the ostrich with its head in the sand.
Wow,, it's very interesting how, when important things come up, they get reported in such a poor manner to where the translation becomes unintelligent..
Yes while this is very important. It makes it challenging to follow due to the poor semblance of coverage.
either way,
its a wash, some one will spend enough $ to find a way around it,, bend the perception, cloak it, and hope it just de-composes by itself..
war of attricion..
The actual vote tally shows that both Democrats and Republicans voted for the bill (74 for, 21 against, 5 abstain).
If anyone believes that voting for R (or D) is worse than the other side, or how it's the "lessor of two evils", feel free to explain this.
There are a finite number of votes in any term. When our representatives vote against the interests of the people in all votes, there is no more damage that they can do. There can be no "lesser" evil - they're both at "maximum evil".
I took a look at the text of the recent Iowa poll, the one that puts Carson ahead of Trump that everyone is talking about. I couldn't see any obvious bias (a good thing), but this question stood out:
Which do you think is the bigger risk for the future of the country?
74 To elect a president who has not held office so does not know the processes and procedures of governing
101 To elect the same sort of person who has served as president for many decades who will likely continue to do things the way they have been done with the same effect
25 Not sure
The numbers are total Dem+Rep respondents in the poll.
This is interesting because it shows that Americans (in Iowa, at least) are waking up to the realization that electing career politicians is not in their best interests.
With respect to Democrat readers, your only viable candidate on that side (Hillary Clinton) is a weak contender, while the Republican side appears to have both Trump and Carson as strong candidates.
With respect to the Republican readers, neither of your strong candidates is a career politican. One doesn't need to sell his influence to moneyed interests.
This may be the beginning of the end for career politicians and national parties.
Anything designed to bring people together in a collaborative sharing environment is something that I support.
'effing Communist!
Honestly, I find it hard to believe ignorance has much to do with it at all. There are some big name companies on the record as completely supporting FISA, including Xerox. (Funny how Xerox also seems to have most of the contracts with local govt. for maintaining speed cameras.... Just maybe, they stand to profit any time government takes on some additional responsibility concerning technology? Hmm....)
On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other.
Somehow Stewart Brand's original statement got morphed into "information wants to be free."
...but, whatever happened to no taxation without representation? Why should I pay taxes when every "representative" votes every issue in their own interest? Or - in the case of say, Rubio - just doesn't vote at all on anything?
The people were not represented today. It's fucking ridiculous.
because lawmakers - many of whom can barely operate their own email - know hardly anything about the technology that theyâ(TM)re crafting legislation about.
Rest assured that those they actually work for are well aware of the technology their minions are crafting legislation about.
they did listen to the 'concerned parties' who paid for their reelection campaign. This is just another sign that all of them need to be fired.
Enjoy your Big Government, patriots.
Here is a list of the 21 senators who voted AGAINST this CISA surveillance bill.
Baldwin (D-WI)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cardin (D-MD)
Coons (D-DE)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daines (R-MT)
Franken (D-MN)
Heller (R-NV)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lee (R-UT)
Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-NM)
Warren (D-MA)
Wyden (D-OR)
Also, Marco Rubio (R-FL), Rand Paul (R-KY), and Ted Cruz (R-Canada) did not vote at all, because they are huge pussies. Remember that the next time you believe any of those turds are in favor of your liberty.
You are welcome on my lawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith
To wipe Microsoft Windows off the face of the Internet would provide more "cybersecurity" to the masses than this spy bill ever could by many orders of magnitude. But were the Senate informed of this common sense approach? It is bundled with new PC's and is in fact malware. It is marketed as helping to improve customer's experience. We are spying on you globally for your own benefit, ya ya. Uh huh.
Microsoft had the actual gall recently to become complete and total global spyware in literal malware fashion (deceit and unwanted installs)... and even adware... at the same time a spy bill gets passed by low-tech Senate career politicians. Red flag.
1) Major proprietary closed source OS goes complete global spyware
2) Internet "cybersecurity" bill goes above and beyond stasi globally soon thereafter (today's news story)
3) Sham election inbound with [perceived choice] of a multi-billionaire, a Jew, or a woman whose email was recovered by the FBI stating "how do I charge my iPad".
This is some Hollywood production type stuff. The motivation for this bill is not innocuous any more than "Secure Boot" was intended to prevent malicious boot code.
Lies and damned lies.
"...Yet it still sailed through the Senate, mostly because lawmakers - many of whom can barely operate their own email - know hardly anything about the technology that they’re crafting legislation about."
In what decade do you think we will find it relevant or important to elect lawmakers who are as competent with technology as they are bullshitting about hope and change?
In other words, I'm struggling as to who really to blame here, since we voters have been using that "lawmakers are old and ignorant" excuse for too damn long now.
Perhaps when we stop electing stupid people...
It's easy to claim that they don't support wiretapping when they refuse to vote on it. No idea why they have no problem voting against the budget but can't be bothered to vote against the biggest surveillance state expansion this month.
The people have completely lost control over their government. Vote Bernie Sanders!
they did listen to the 'concerned parties' who paid for their reelection campaign. This is just another sign that all of them need to be fired.
No, it is a sign that the Corporations need to be fired
And "Corporations are people my friend"
Disagree, I think it's completely relevant and on topic. The people writing these bills have absolutely no idea how the technology works, but are quite comfortable throwing away our privacy rights based on that. They are technophobic imbeciles who are driven by fear, and that's a scary thing because they have a lot of power. This is the perfect example because apparently NOBODY except the lawmakers wants this legislation, yet they don't care and vote based on their fear. It's very important that people realize the current set of lawmakers are almost entirely out of touch with modern technology, and that can have a massive stifling effect on our economy which a large portion of is based on this tech. We need young, new blood in these seats.
Here in Canada we're going through the same crap. Will a VPN from a non tpp country mask me at all or can they see through that? Honestly asking, don't know exactly how that all works
With respect to Democrat readers, your only viable candidate on that side (Hillary Clinton) is a weak contender, while the Republican side appears to have both Trump and Carson as strong candidates.
Don't count out the Bern yet. He's already tracking better than Obama was 8 years ago (compared to Hillary)
And while Hillary is definitely a career politico, she's never actually won an election for anything in her life.
I stay away from the "the other side will do *this* when elected" rhetoric, and try to confine myself to analysis of present situation and past performance. Please bear that in mind when replying - I'm not being a partisan echo chamber.
Money is a pretty good indicator of who will win an election in this country. With a 95% success rate, it's a pretty-good rule of thumb to use.
Bernie doesn't have his own money, so he has to rely on donations. Donations come from moneyed interests in return for political favors, and Bernie won't sell himself that way, so he won't get a lot of money.
He also says things which are easy to (unfairly) attack, such as sticking with the term "Democratic Socialism". Socialism is closely aligned in the public's mind with Communism, the USSR and cold war, and to a lesser extend the Fascism of WWII Italy.
While you and I can sort through the actual meanings, the public will only see what the pundits say. They will see Bernie as wanting to implement a completely non-democratic political system (Socialism!), and without the money to make his voice known it's unlikely that he'll get very far.
Yes, I agree with his position and rationale, but as the saying goes: it's not enough to be right, you have to be effective.
Except when IT'S TRUE. These people have their emails read and summarized by underlings, the summaries printed out in large type font on legal paper, double spaced with a wide side column for annotations and responses. Then the underlings type the responses and annotations up in separate files, and sometimes the responses actually get sent as an email. The Congress Critters never see the emails at all, because they either do not understand it, or are afraid they will be seen as understanding it. Wipe it? "Like with a cloth?"
So can we just setup a Powerline Internet. Then no one will care what is getting sent since it wont be on the 'regular' Internet. Everyone is happy. Guess I will need a 240V DNS server.
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I wish George Washington were still alive. He would have taken a huge shit in each of these "senators" mouths, then condemned them to the firing line for ushering that "conspiracy from New York" and betraying all his hard work from freeing us from the enslavement of the British and the whole taxation without representation thing. This vote would be a prime example of taxation without representation.
Why? Because companies like Facebook (who you give your data freely too like morons) lobbied heavy behind closed doors to pass this legislation without any open discussion, and total disregard to privacy advocates and technology gods (Note, Zuckerburg is not a technology God. He's some novice who decided to write some spaghetti code in PHP and got funded by some very rich jews like usual who are pushing this agenda. There were dozens of competent social networks written the same way at the time, but since he was a Jew from Harvard he was selected as part of the CIA operation you participate in called Facebook).
Kudos to whoever hacked the government employees though. Since the federal government thinks it's citizens private information is so freely available to anyone in the world, I'm pretty sure senators and congress people will be targeted and exposed even more through data breaches.
Oh and the CIA director still uses AOL lololololol
Why doesn't the great Obama veto it like he has with so many other bills? The man vetoes so much the senate tries to pass with both parties supporting, yet preaches about how divisive the Republicans are... ignoring the bills he often vetoes are supported by members of both parties. So why hasn't he vetoed this crap yet? I guess he's in the pockets of the tech industry, just like he is the insurance industry, as many Republicans have pointed out (but so many media outlets like to ignore while telling us how the Repubs are in the pockets of "big business" - guess the insurance and tech industries are not "big business" to them... unless Obama was a Repub).
She might win the nomination... there's certainly a good chance. But she's hardly a shoe-in.
Everyone just kinda assumed she win the nom 8 years ago, and that didn't really pan out for her, did it? And she hadn't even committed any felonies then.
If you're good at remembering things, let your mind wander back to the summer of 2008.
Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were both strong candidates with roughly equal support.
Hillary and Barack had a meeting, and soon after Hillary withdrew from the campaign. The Wikipedia article states that she won the popular vote but lost the nomination, but I seem to remember that her campaign lost a lot of steam after that meeting, and before the nomination.
The subtext that I read into that meeting was that the Dems felt that she was splitting the vote, and in return for her withdrawing gracefully and throwing support for Barack she would be the presumptive next nominee.
Then President Obama appointed her Secretary of State, which was also probably a result of that meeting. She got a high-prestige and highly visible position, and gets to practice being president for 8 years. (A good plan, really, and I don't begrudge that sort of deal making - it's how politics is done in this country.)
And now we're in the new cycle, and she's calling in that promise.
The problem is, she was a lackluster Secretary of State. If you assume that the E-mail and the Benghazi thing is unimportant, there's nothing that really stands out in her career.
She's a lukewarm candidate.
Also, they aren't just ignorant about technology. They are ignorant about liberty.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
It's not ignorance, it's corruption. But it looks like nobody wants to see that elephant in the room. This will not effect the elections...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
For those who don't need a third party to read something for them this is a link to the actual bill. The bill itself is a lot less reading than all of the articles on it.
I just gisted the bill, it looks like one of these fait accomplis that follow this disturbing pattern we see of aligning the laws of Echelon (5 eyes, sigint or whatever other names it is know by) countries within the bounds of their beleaguered constitutions. Almost a year ago to the day laws with the same intent were passed in Australia under the NSL 2014.
If I may share my interpretation the bill, the main purpose appears to be to align the legal structures for government agencies to share information. Its up for interpretation and the more eyes reading this the better. I'll need a good read to really get it.
Of specific interest was that the law is beating a pretty fast drum for the Federal agencies to comply with a 60-180 day time frame for them to develop policy. I'm going to guess that they want to allocate budget spending to implement the policy withing the next 12 months. Of particular concern in the US version the bill allows for Federal agencies to spy on state, local and individuals (sec 2.8).
If the pattern is followed we can expect the UK and Canada to be next as these legal frameworks have already been passed in Australia and NZ - both political parties supported it there as well.
Why the governments of our countries are so intent on harassing their population is anyone's guess. What would be really great is if these bills were posted to /. *before* they passed. At least then the outrage could be channeled into constructive action.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The people are the ones who voted these senators into office, and will do so again.
The fingerprints of the NSA etc are all over this bill. The only question is whether we will ever discover how many of them were blackmailed into giving it their support. The scale of the vote however does suggest that there was a lot of pressure being exerted.
The phrase 'deep state' was invented to refer to the intelligence community in Turkey that used to have enormous influence in the running of that country. However it is a term which present experience shows it may be more applicable to the US than is nice to think about.
>mostly because lawmakers - many of whom can barely operate their own email - know hardly anything about the technology that they’re crafting legislation about.
I think the lawmakers knew exactly what they were doing. You are part of the problem if you think otherwise
What I find interest is the play not just to close off remaining piddly avenues for people to challenge misappropriation of private data it is blocking off even avenues for people to discover anything at all with partially redundant FOIA restrictions.
Who cares what the legislation they are passing says. Money is a universally understood language.
They had to. Concentrating this last little bit of wealth is going to be the hardest part so far and they need to be ready when it starts cutting into the bread-and-circuses fund. Expect much more of this in the near future.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
because lawmakers - know hardly anything about the ____________ that they are crafting legislation about.
Technology fits well as does reproductive system and many more. Yet anytime an election happens the asshat with the most money and ability to bold faced lie wins. Someday there will be a change for the better in the political system too bad it will be long after I'm gone.
they dont vote based upon fear, not the one you think of, they vote based upon fear of their bottom line decreasing lol in other words they vote based upon who pays them the most....
It used to be a democracy what is it now?
There needs to be a bill that renames the USA to something more appropriate.
My suggestions is UPSA (United Police States of America)...and while they're at it, perhaps they could make Obama President for Life.
Is this how they legalize an unconstitutional act like PRISM? By running a fake cyberbill over the Senate like a Mack truck?
Did you ever wonder why Star Wars depicts a future where so many where helmets all the time? Now you know.
Cognitive dissonance is alive and well here in the states.
Driven by fear? I would say they are the driving force behind it.
We are coming to a point in human evolution where people who do not have the mental capacity to understand advanced technology will simply become irrelevant and will die off. The "ape style pyramid" model of current societies will simply crumble and die as those with the brains will just ignore the rules, circumvent them, and carry on regardless. The others, stuck in the old ways, will simply be unable to exist in a world where they can't understand anything. Oh they'll scream and shout and try and bash people with sticks (just like they've been doing for the last few millenia) but they'll eventually die off.
Hail Darwin !
Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.
These monsters knew exactly what they were doing, or they would not have voted down all of those very well 'patriotism and liberties' worded amendments.
You don't need to be a cyberlaw expert to know what snooping through every personal letter, document and photo album means to someone's privacy.
This was deliberate, and it will not stop until the heads of those committing these treasonous acts are relocated to pikes around the white house.
You say that like it can't be both. It most definitely is both.
Facebook was FOR the CISA bill (Google it)
So please, stop using Facebook or you're complicit in everything Zuckerberg does.
Don't forget his famous quote...
"They trust me â" dumb fucks," -Zuckerberg
http://gawker.com/5636765/face...
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Looks to me that, under this law, NSA could cyber-bombed Hillary's private email server.
From Soylent:
Damn it. I was looking to provide citation, but I instead found this: *sigh* [techdirt.com]. Figures. Both senators from the backwards state I call home voted for it.
So, everybody, click the link and see whether or not you need to vote against the incumbent next year. Here's a helpful diagram [wikipedia.org] so you can plan ahead. Match the names in the class 3 column to the 83 names listed in the first link. Also note that Sanders (I-VT) has today voted against this crap.
Heck, why don't I just do it for you? That's how disgusted I am right now. Regex here :w incumbents, regex there :w traitors, cat traitors | xargs -n1 -I '{}' grep {} incumbents, regex to add li../li, and nyan~!
Kelly Ayotte (R)
Michael Bennet (D)
Richard Blumenthal (D)
Roy Blunt (R)
John Boozman (R)
Barbara Boxer (D)
Richard Burr (R)
Dan Coats (R)
Mike Crapo (R)
Chuck Grassley (R)
John Hoeven (R)
Johnny Isakson (R)
Ron Johnson (R)
Mark Kirk (R)
James Lankford (R)
Mike Lee (R)
John McCain (R)
Barbara Mikulski (D)
Jerry Moran (R)
Lisa Murkowski (R)
Patty Murray (D)
Rob Portman (R)
Harry Reid (D)
Brian Schatz (D)
Chuck Schumer (D)
Tim Scott (R)
Richard Shelby (R)
John Thune (R)
Pat Toomey (R)
So they use "fuzzy language" to obfuscate their ignorance.. Well - Fuzzy laws lead to hard prison bars ..
....The people writing these bills have absolutely no idea how the technology works....
But.. but.. they know the "internets" is a whole bunch of pipes ;-)