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The International Space Station Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes: There's a little known, dirty story about the International Space Station (ISS): It's filled with bacteria and fungi. A new study has found compelling evidence that microorganisms from human skin are present throughout the station, and some of the bugs could cause serious harm to astronauts.The most concerning finding was from the "high-efficiency particulate arrestance" (HEPA) air filter used in the ISS: 99.65% of the viable sequences they retrieved came from Actinobacteria. The Actinobacteria phylum includes Corynebacterium and Propionibacterium; each genus was found in the ISS samples at a high level, which is "problematic," say the researchers, because they both have species that are opportunistic pathogens. Astronauts who live in microgravity for prolonged periods also can have compromised immune systems.

112 comments

  1. Wouldn't they be dead already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its not like the thing just launched.

    1. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by MobSwatter · · Score: 1, Funny

      True and the presentation of this in the way they make the case makes these pesky bacteria terrorists. Almost to the point they in the way they have been acting might decide to scrap Skylab 2.0 if they could get a drone into orbit. This would scrap the world's space program or it's debilitated remains of it, on the other side of the coin rather than being immune compromised the human genome would adapt to kill or coexist with these pesky bacteria but then again, that isn't what captain pedo-bear in the Vatican or the banksters would have you believe. Captain pedo-bear probably doesn't like not having direct control over the people sent up there and the banksters would rather have the gold that is used in space programs for it's ability to neutralized solar radiation.

    2. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whenever I see "potentially dangerous" I automatically assume "mostly harmless." So far, it has been fairly accurate. I figure, if it were really dangerous, they'd say stuff like, "HOLY SHIT!" When I see "potentially dangerous," I think butter knife.

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    3. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Well, space is ripe for mutation. They don't have an automated system on board to send a warning about a new bacteria which turns astronauts into floating zombies. It would be nice.

    4. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't have a clue about evolution and how it works. It works on large scale numbers and statistical scale. From a large population, you have probability to have mutants individual with adaptive capacity to a threat, they are likely to survive with a higher probability than the other indivudals and then transmit their own genes to the next generations, over a very long period of time, the unadapted individuals will becom extinct and the mutants will survive. Do we even send enough individuals in space and exposed to these bacteria with that concentration to eventually get an immune population from the sample? NO, and a big NO. They even don't breed within themselves. Your outcome has zero probability to happen.

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    5. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earth is "mostly harmless" (at least after the update), so I'd say "mostly harmless" can still be pretty bloody dangerous if ignored.

    6. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by philipmather · · Score: 1

      So, no zombie astronauts then?

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    7. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, space is ripe for mutation. They don't have an automated system on board to send a warning about a new bacteria which turns astronauts into floating zombies. It would be nice.

      Here comes the blob! (Essentially a giant amoeba) Don't forget to close your drains at night people WOOOOOO!

      I think the simplest solution involves a pack of scrub brushes and some extra strength Comet with bleach! Maybe some UV lights or perhaps.. they might want to put on space suits every once in a while and open the windows and let some of the space in. I imagine farts up there are a nightmare that linger like nebulas! At least they could 3d print a toilet brush or two or ten.

      Skylab had a full on shower.. but on the ISS they do sponge baths.. I take it that is from the strong european influence, just a quick scrub of the essential areas.. kind of like that line from Garth Marenghi's Dark Place. ( seriously check it!)

      Ironic captcha of the day: employer Seriously! Are you guys trying to tell me something? Whats that you say? my employer is fat? What? I knew that!

    8. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Soon.

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    9. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Whenever I see "potentially dangerous" I automatically assume "mostly harmless." So far, it has been fairly accurate. I figure, if it were really dangerous, they'd say stuff like, "HOLY SHIT!" When I see "potentially dangerous," I think butter knife.

      Isn't it ironic that we generally feel the exact opposite when it is the government or too-big-to-fail class businesses trying to convince us that something is "generally safe"?

      If they ever got to the FUBAR level of "HOLY SHIT!", it's already too late. Nukes were launched 10 minutes ago.

    10. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'd probably help if they stopped lying to us on a regular basis.

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    11. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      That's not soon enough!

    12. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Let's start the list of "potentially dangerous" bacteria with E. Coli. Since there are humans on the station E Coli is there. Usually harmless, but every so often it does kill people.

      It's certainly _unlikely_ that anyone on board the station has any of the dangerous strains (though i have no idea how big a mutation it takes to jump from harmless to deadly,) but it is technically correct to say that anywhere there are humans there are "potentially dangerous" bacteria present.

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    13. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, settle down and take the zombie out of your ass.

    14. Re:Wouldn't they be dead already? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It is also technically correct to say a butter knife is potentially dangerous.

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    15. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The Umbrella Corporation is working as fast as they can, give it time...

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    16. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "govt" is all about lying and misleading the public en masse. They assume that if they are the only ones who know what's going on that they can then manufacture "truths", in essence it is slavery by ignorance.
      The problem with space flight has nothing to do with "bad germs" and everything to do with being outside the protective magnetic field of the earth. Ever since the 80's when electronics took off, the govt has been silencing any info on the effects of our magnetic fields. Everyone and everything has one. When you take a standard airplane ride at high altitude you are no longer being protected by the earth's field and instead of this being common knowledge, the govt decided that time itself was the problem (fucking retarded) and gave us this complete and utter BS term "jetlag".
      Well we all want to have slaves right. We lie to our bosses, our children, our friends, our spouses. What harm is there in lying? The harm is that you are only lying to yourselves about the control you think you have because someone agreed with your pile o shite.
      Fuck the iss. I could not gaf if it disappeared overnight. And fuck you NASA whores.

    17. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by doccus · · Score: 1

      Well.. space is.. like..um.. dangerous! And hey..wouldn't them pesky little critters just get irradiated into sterility? Or do these pathogens live on ionizing radiation like food?

    18. Re: Wouldn't they be dead already? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Don't know about those in particular, but there certainly a few kinds of fungus that do. http://awesci.com/radiotrophic...
      There are much more reliable sources, but I'm lazy...

  2. fish bowl by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    anyone ever seen a fish bowl? No matter how clean you get it there is always gunk buildup. The ISS is like a fish bowl, a closed system. as such of course there will be higher risks for pathogens.

    the real question is are the filters doing their jobs??

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    1. Re:fish bowl by ranpel · · Score: 1

      I think the real question is "Who do we send up next?".

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    2. Re:fish bowl by Nutria · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Who do we send up next?".

      Who's running for US President???

      And Putin. Definitely Vladimir Putin.

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    3. Re:fish bowl by lazy+genes · · Score: 0

      Maybe they could bring up 100 sucker type fish and let them loose in the ISS.

    4. Re:fish bowl by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      FIshbowl is an appropriate analogy.

      At times like this, I am always reminded of the Sardaukar.

      Their great strength grew from the adverse conditions from which their DNA was culled.

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    5. Re:fish bowl by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "the real question is are the filters doing their jobs??"
      Consider the math of 99.65% over a set or longer time. A clear path for some amount material given time gets past a filter.
      Thats the nature of filter science. If the more exotic material floating around could be broken down that would be interesting for long term missions.
      Health vs size, weight mission issues :)

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    6. Re:fish bowl by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I've never seen an impressive fish tank filter system - the impressive fish tank maintenance systems I have seen are bio-based like septic tanks, salt water systems splash water through bio-balls that film over with stuff that eats the waste, fresh water commonly pulls water down through the gravel base and up-out bubbler stacks, that gravel gets coated in gunk eating microbes that do a very effective job.

      No HEPA style filter could ever approach that level of cleaning, you'd be replacing cartridges every few hours.

    7. Re: fish bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're reminded of something that does not exist? Get some help, quick.

    8. Re:fish bowl by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I think the real question is "Who do we send up next?"

      I can do it. .. they haven't seen my apartment, but if they did ..

    9. Re:fish bowl by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      anyone ever seen a fish bowl? No matter how clean you get it there is always gunk buildup. The ISS is like a fish bowl, a closed system. as such of course there will be higher risks for pathogens.

      And the astronauts hate it when you tap on the glass.

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    10. Re:fish bowl by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then clean it like you clean a fish bowl. Put all the people in suits, a space walk, the airlock or otherwise out of the main areas. Then flood the areas with something that kills everything. Whether UV, poison, or something else is for someone with more resources to solve the problem to figure out. I was surprised that they didn't flash the filter with UV to kill things as they collect.

    11. Re:fish bowl by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Funny

      Putin will kill all these pathogens with his bare fists.

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    12. Re:fish bowl by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      99.65% over a single pass or totally? Because everything that passes the filter returns to the system... and then returns to the filter eventually.

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    13. Re:fish bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earth is also a closed system, there are mountains of biomass covering it, yuck!

    14. Re:fish bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not doing memes correctly. Clearly he will use his bear fists.

    15. Re:fish bowl by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      He's not American. He hasn't got the right to bear arms.

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    16. Re:fish bowl by peragrin · · Score: 1

      No he is Russian. He has the right to arm Bears and send them after you. You better hide in your moms closet, there is no way the bears will smell you in there.

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    17. Re:fish bowl by asylumx · · Score: 1

      And Putin. Definitely Vladimir Putin.

      Ya, I would second sending Trump. Oh, you said Putin? Same diff.

    18. Re:fish bowl by Talderas · · Score: 2

      Russian's don't arm bears. They saddle them and use them for cavalry charges.

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    19. Re: fish bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only get reminded of things you are convinced 100% to be real? Get some help, is what I would tell you to do if you had the self-awareness to see how foolish you are.

    20. Re:fish bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ISS is like a fish bowl, a closed system

      A fish bowl is not a closed system. You're regularly adding food to it. It's not like gunk forms spontaneously. It comes as a byproduct of all the food. In a closed system, like the EcoSphere you do not have gunk build up. Where would the mass come from? Of course the ISS isn't a closed system either. If it was closed, then there wouldn't be pathogens coming in from Earth.

    21. Re: fish bowl by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Only if you are an alien esp with fangs.

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  3. Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a little known, dirty story about Earth: It's filled with bacteria and fungi. A new study has found compelling evidence that microorganisms from human skin are present throughout the planet, and some of the bugs could cause serious harm to humans.

    1. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It gets even dirtier. A recent study released by top scientists reveals that most of the material we regard as "soil" is mostly rotten shit from organisms, often still rotting. In fact, it is an important step in human's food production (mostly called "agriculture") to bring out shit from the animals, onto the living plant. As they are like humans from this shit ball called earth, plants have a shit fetish and grow faster thanks to the shit they got! Once the plants are dead the new shit gets mixed well with the rotting shit that's already there.

      Earth, the planet of rotting shit. Of course, if a species that came from this ball of stench, they'll build something equally rotting.

    2. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      Stay away from that damn place. It sounds like a cesspool.

    3. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, and many are dying. The problem in space is you don't have the luxury to let many dying because your population will become extinct very quickly, something that won't happen on Earth due to a much larger sample of population.

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    4. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      And they do. A lot. Thankfully, getting new crew members delivered to earth is a cheap and routine procedure. That's the trouble with the ISS case: replacements are expensive and sometimes delayed; and I bet that everyone else on board the station hopes that whatever the plan for storing the dead guy until the next supply rocket comes up remains purely theoretical.

    5. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, and many are dying.

      I hear the death rate there is 100% given enough time.

    6. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, and many are dying.

      I hear the death rate there is 100% over time.

    7. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      There's a little known, dirty story about Earth: It's filled with bacteria and fungi.

      Also, "chemicals". Scary stuff.

    8. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a space suit tethered to the outside of the station is my guess.

    9. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      There must be a documented protocol for handling the situation written up somewhere in the bowels of NASA HQ. Just because dying in space mostly implies automatic cremation doesn't mean that there isn't the possibility of somebody just having an aneurysm and keeling over in an otherwise functional spacecraft.

    10. Re:Earth Is Home To Potentially Dangerous Bacteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bowels? Aren't those full of bacteria too? Sounds like a bad idea.

  4. replicate earth air purification by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately much of the ISS is protected against harmful radiation. Some of the harmful radiation is very damaging to micro organisms..

    I don't know much about the station's air filtration and purification. It may be time to introduce some UVA and UVB into the station to control the growth. This will both directly kill many as well as generating some ozone.

    As the environment is adding food, and has no effective breakdown in place (soil), outbreaks taking advantage of the food source will be a normal cycle.

    Cleaning to remove the food and colonies and population control with UV and ozone are options.

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    1. Re:replicate earth air purification by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      Yes like on Star Trek where they use the Baryon Sweep to remove all the baryons built up from warp travel and as a side effect kill anything organic in the process. They shutdown and bail when the sweep is running.

    2. Re:replicate earth air purification by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Perhaps another possible solution, eventually, would be to provide a space on the ISS that this bacteria will naturally gathers to and attempt to colonize that could be used in some useful manner (ie, like soil). Until then, they may need to bring some UV emitters up there, possibly put them in the air purification ducts so eventually all the air gets hit. "you need an automated biosensor" quotes the article, so perhaps this will push some new tech out the door.

    3. Re:replicate earth air purification by cnettel · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not like putting a sliced tomato on the kitchen sink in a humid climate will prevent other parts of your kitchen from attracting any mold spores around. Bacteria and prokaryotes are mostly incapable of macrosopic movement (especially in air). They are also able to rapidly expand populations. Therefore, a "colonist" doesn't choose to move to the best spot, foregoing a worse one. They will try everywhere. If they gain a foothold, that foothold is likely to just unleash further colonists into the less hospitable, but still slightly viable, habitats.

    4. Re:replicate earth air purification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes like on Star Trek where they use the Baryon Sweep to remove all the baryons built up from warp travel and as a side effect kill anything organic in the process. They shutdown and bail when the sweep is running.

      If a baryon sweep removed all baryons, you'd have a ship made of electrons and not much else. It wouldn't hold together very long. BOOM!

  5. UV filtration? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't intense UV light kill those sorts of bacteria? Generally speaking, I understand that the effectiveness of UV filtration of air is reduced with moving air flow (since effectiveness is a function of time and UV intensity), but on a space station, the same air is going to be re-circulated many thousands of times, so you have the advantage of repeated passes.

    Would that not be effective, or was NASA simply under the impression that a HEPA filter would be adequate for the job?

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    1. Re:UV filtration? by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      The should have upgraded to the Vornado HEPA2 filter.

      Superior German technology! However, you never know, the Vornado might cheat on emissions tests.

    2. Re:UV filtration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect the problem isn't that the air filters aren't working. It is that any kind of filtration system can't overcome the quantities of bacteria in the rest of the station. They basically need to evacuate the station and soak the whole interior in bleach. Or use superheated (120C) steam. Of course this is impossible given all the nooks and crannies in, and probably the temperature sensitivity of, all the equipment in the station.

    3. Re:UV filtration? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Funny

      And, there's plenty of intense UV light right outside, just open the windows once in awhile.

    4. Re: UV filtration? by drunk_punk · · Score: 1

      For this to work you would have to cycle all the air AT ONCE through UV passivation. Else you would be stuck in a "clean a little air, 're-infect a little air" cycle. Then you'd need to find a way to sanitize those cultures behind bulkheads, server racks, in between various forms of shielding and other various hard to reach places. Bacteria have been know to withstand some pretty amazing environments... Vacuum included.

    5. Re: UV filtration? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not so sure. Isn't the concern more about the total amount of bacteria, not the fact that it was present at all? The point isn't to turn it into a clean room - that's a fruitless exercise with humans living there. After all, humans are pretty good at dealing with residual bacteria in our environment, so long as it's in reasonably small doses. The idea is just to reduce the airborne concentration a bit down to "normal" levels, not to sterilize the station.

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    6. Re:UV filtration? by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      Intense UV radiation should kill the surface bacteria. The rest might just get a nice tan.

    7. Re:UV filtration? by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      I presume you aren't suggesting that the space station open its windows. Or are you?

    8. Re: UV filtration? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure. Isn't the concern more about the total amount of bacteria, not the fact that it was present at all? The point isn't to turn it into a clean room - that's a fruitless exercise with humans living there. After all, humans are pretty good at dealing with residual bacteria in our environment, so long as it's in reasonably small doses. The idea is just to reduce the airborne concentration a bit down to "normal" levels, not to sterilize the station.

      With valid concerns related to weakened immune systems for humans enduring long-term space missions, the environment may need to resemble more of a clean room than previously thought.

      We likely wouldn't be sitting around discussing who's going to clean the proverbial toilet bowl otherwise. It could also prevent future awkward roundtable discussions.

      Space exploration is dangerous enough. Let's not embarrass ourselves by killing a brave human in a very stupid way.

    9. Re:UV filtration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've had a solid state UV system in place since June '14.

      http://www.uvresources.com/news/press-releases/hvac-industry-loses-forrest-fencl-ultraviolet-treatment-pioneer/

    10. Re:UV filtration? by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Of course he is. What's wrong with opening the windows? It's not like they are on a submarine or something, right?

    11. Re:UV filtration? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Why have windows that don't open? Wouldn't you want to open the windows when it gets too hot to allow the cold of space in a little?

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  6. Housekeeping by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    So basically, the ISS is like a Super 8 motel room, but in space and without the complimentary cable.

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    1. Re:Housekeeping by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I think the cable is better, but the carpet fresh is more stale.

    2. Re:Housekeeping by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      And it's badly in need of room service to tidy up the place. That place is a mess.

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    3. Re:Housekeeping by Limitless_Potential · · Score: 1

      go in the escape pod, open all the other doors and suck the atmosphere out? It should kill everything

    4. Re:Housekeeping by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of bacteria/mold/etc. that can form spores, biofilms, or just plain old anerobe through a bit of cold or vacuum.

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  7. Remember Mir? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By the time it reached end-of-life, the first space station became famous for hosting fungus mats of an unknown species:
    http://www.straightdope.com/co...

    1. Re:Remember Mir? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the time it reached end-of-life, the first space station became famous for hosting fungus mats of an unknown species:
      http://www.straightdope.com/co...

      From your link: "The fungal infestation came to light in 1988, when Mir inhabitants noticed that a porthole was obscured by what one alarmist described as "an unknown film that was spreading like some horror-movie scum." Closer examination revealed green-and-black encrustations behind control panels, inside air ducts, and in other nooks and crannies throughout the spacecraft. The stuff didn't literally eat metal and plastic but did give off corrosive chemicals such as acetic acid. Acetic acid is basically vinegar, so one doesn't want to become unnecessarily alarmed. Still, the acid pitted Mir's titanium, plastic, and glass, suggesting that the spacecraft's structural integrity might be threatened if the fungus were left unchecked."

    2. Re:Remember Mir? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Ah, yes... your 'technology' is mine to devour!

    3. Re:Remember Mir? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've identified it as something they can consume.

  8. LED sterilizers by MetricT · · Score: 1

    Any reason they couldn't add these LED sterilizers, either to the air filtration system, or to the lighting system of the station? Maybe take a room offline for 24 hours every week or so to sterilize.

    http://www.ledsmagazine.com/ug...

    1. Re:LED sterilizers by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I suspect that, aside from issues with any materials that aren't improved by UV exposure, it would be quite tricky to get line-of-sight from any feasible number of emitters to all the various nooks and crannies. From all the pictures I've seen, the ISS is pretty cluttered; and a lot of the wall surface is actually access panels for equipment(with lots of assorted hiding places) behind them.

      Since they already have an air filtration system, adding a UV pass to help ensure that anything the filters don't scrub is at least dead might well be viable; but I suspect that attempting to sterilize rooms built like those ones would be effectively hopeless.

  9. (y) Better Evac Now Rather Than Later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sad ending to a really possible endeavor but bacteria got in the way. And Conquered!

    Oh Yea. NASA MARS MISSION:
    Oh dat smell ... can you smell dat smell ... the smell of death is around you!

    Yes. The Heroes NASA to MARS, just DOA, ... Dead On Arrival. Ha ha

    Ha ha

  10. Quick! Send them Lysol spray. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Famously good.

  11. someone at Nasa should have read Aurora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not one of KSR 's better books but really does well describing micro climates and fishbowl living in space.

    Summary - generational starship falling apart due to micro organisms

  12. I'd be surprised if it were not full of bacteria by istartedi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a big trailer that they've been living in for years, and you can't just air the place out. This seems like the expected outcome. Consider this part of the experiment. If it's really causing a deterioration of air and/or surface cleanliness vs. Earth-bound standards, fix it. Whatever solution you come up with might have applications for terrestrial hospitals, or other things we haven't thought of yet.

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  13. Even Worse: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    My refrigerator is home to potentially dangerous bacteria and fungi.

    I think what's in the vegetable crisper drawer may even be of alien origin.

    1. Re:Even Worse: by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      My refrigerator is home to potentially dangerous bacteria and fungi.
      I think what's in the vegetable crisper drawer may even be of alien origin.

      Beat me to it!
      Here is the obligatory Weird Al reference

      Wouldn't the thriving presence of this phantasmagorical phylum in the ISS environment --- as it exists in every nook and cranny everywhere on Earth --- be a sign that the ISS environment was AOK, as conducive to human life as any other? A most healthy singing canary?

      Potentially Lethal Levels Of Dust Discovered In Vacuum Cleaner Bag! News at 11.

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    2. Re:Even Worse: by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      vegetable crisper drawer.

      I thought it was called the veggie hospice.

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  14. Normal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the article,

    Isn't this the kind of accidental byproduct we're supposed to discover about leaving planet Earth? We should find organisms like this, as we co-habit thing objects that we built with our flawed understanding of everything.

    Not scary, but worth investigating.

  15. Problematic by BoberFett · · Score: 2

    Can we retire the word "problematic" already? Anytime someone uses it, I instinctively tune out anything said afterward.

    1. Re:Problematic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, it should be at the end: I find your attitude problematic.

    2. Re:Problematic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problematic. BoberFett is a dick, lulz.

  16. Ummmm no shit... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

    We stick people in it. People are full of bacteria. Some of that bacteria can be bad for you if it ends up in the wrong place. At which point did any of this become surprising? I kinda want to slap the researchers on the back of the head...

  17. Should have pre-treated the surfaces by AaronW · · Score: 1

    They should have pre-treated the surfaces where this stuff can grow with something like Biocote or some other silver or copper infused coating. These coatings work quite well at killing bacteria without being harmful to humans.

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  18. OMG Phylum? by engineerErrant · · Score: 2

    "The Actinobacteria phylum includes..." OMG I'm scared! Except that biology classification is a bit over-broad...

    Let's review what badasses *our* phylum includes:

    - The honey badger.
    - The Kodiak bear.
    - The goddamned T-Rex.
    - that Japanese guy who killed bulls with nothing but karate

    In a phylum-off, I'm betting on Team Chordata.

    1. Re:OMG Phylum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except us, which is cheating, Chordata is not that impressive. Smart yes, but (again, except for us) not doing that much with it. I would always pick Bacteria over Chordata to win, unless we're in the fight. Just the huge numerical advantage is a good start, they have Chordata out-numbered, on any reasonable basis.

      Also, always be scared of viruses. Maybe, viruses aren't alive. Maybe. But, who cares? The "not actually alive" virus that's still reproducing long after a T-rex or Kodiak bear is just more raw materials doesn't care.

  19. UV? by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    I know it can't reach into the crevices and what not, but would a UV "wand" be effective in eliminating a lot of surface dwelling bacteria? They could make a little roomba on a tether with a UV spot light that slowly goes around exposing surfaces to strong UV.... We have UV filters in aquariums that seem to do a decent job killing pathogens...

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  20. Ozone treatment will kill the pathogens. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 2

    All they need to do is section off areas of the station and expose them to ozone on a rotating basis. Come on NASA why is this a hard problem for you?

    1. Re:Ozone treatment will kill the pathogens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's not rocket science!

  21. Immune effects? by rakslice · · Score: 1

    If astronauts' immune systems suffer ill effects due to microgravity, I wonder: Are they more at risk of infection due to these bacteria while in the space station, or after they are exposed to the Earth environment again just after they get back home?

  22. Re:I'd be surprised if it were not full of bacteri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever solution you come up with might have applications for terrestrial hospitals, or other things we haven't thought of yet.

    Like bringing up something that eats the bacteria and fungi?
    Repeat until you have a functional ecosystem going.

  23. Mir was a fungi greenhouse in the end. by Qbertino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The same happed to Mir.
    "There are places you wouldn't want to stick a hand in." Kosmonauts were quoted.

    The fascinating thing is that fungi are actually quite resillient and also can survice in a vacuum.
    I'd guess that the environment in a space station favours fungi more than anything else.

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    1. Re:Mir was a fungi greenhouse in the end. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeast is a fungus.
      Yeast is used to make alcohol out of sugar on earth.
      Recent news of a comet spewing sugar and alcohol into space suggests that yeast may already live among the stars.

      Wonder if there are any unique varieties of yeast aboard the space station, and what they make beer taste like.

  24. So, UV-light? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this really a problem?

  25. Common things being common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These two species are part of a reasonably normal skin flora.

    Corneybacterium minitussimum is ubiquitous and sometimes can cause a mild flexural rash, pitted keratolysis, trichomycosis axillaris (treated by shaving!), etc.

    The skin propionibacterium? P. acnes. Contributes to acne.

    Someone save them!

    (Sorry for any spelling errors, I'm typing from memory.)

  26. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another excuse NASA can add to its existing long list of excuses for not going to Mars. Another thing to research (to 'prepare for a Mars mission') that will result in lots of money spent, PhDs and backslapping with zero practical application.

  27. Med Micro Fail by Kant_resistor · · Score: 1

    Open it to the vacuum! Scrub it with Listerine! Call Sigourney Weaver! We wouldn't want our astronauts getting acne. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Or, the horror!, erythrasma--which is how most people might encounter a Corynebacterium species.

  28. Im an Astronaut not a maid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dammit Jim, I'm an Astronaut not a maid, get someone else to clean the station.
    Maybe some Mexicans want to take a longer route into the US.

  29. Tempest in a teapot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the Internet is good at supplying useful data, I looked up the two bacterial subgroups that they mentioned in the summary. The only risk from one of those was diphtheria, a pathogen everyone is inoculated for as a child and I'm sure gets boosted before the astronauts go to space. And as others have noted, the fungi is harmful to the ISS structural and other systems, but can be mediated.

    So, yawn. Wake me when something actually interesting happens.

  30. Steam vapor cleaner by steveha · · Score: 1

    It seems to me like the best possible way to clean a space station would be to use a steam vapor cleaner. The environmental systems have to already be designed to deal with water vapor in the air, and the steam vapor cleaner uses no chemicals other than water, which would be recycled. A good steam vapor cleaner doesn't get things very wet... the steam is very hot.

    I wonder whether they can afford the power to make steam... I don't know how much spare power they have from the solar power system. Maybe future space station designs could have a built-in steam cleaning system that uses solar power to directly heat the steam.

    I bought a steam vapor cleaner, coincidentally because I wanted to use it to kill some mold. It worked perfectly for that purpose. I got a Vapamore MR-100 and I would buy it again.

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  31. Time to send up... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's time to free up a spot and send a maid to clean things.