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IBM Acquires the Weather Company's Digital Business (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Times reports that IBM has agreed to acquire the Weather Company's data and digital properties including Weather.com and Weather Underground news sites. The deal does not include the Weather Channel. Techcrunch reports: "According to IBM, the acquisition helps it to harness one of the largest big data opportunities in the world: weather. That's something that impacts one-third of the world's GGP and in the U.S. alone, accounts for about half a trillion dollars in impact, the company notes. The deal will combine two big data platforms, IBM's cognitive and analytics business with that of Weather. Currently, The Weather Company has the fourth-most visited mobile app in the U.S. and handles 26 billion inquiries to its cloud-based services daily, generating about 4 GB of data per second. Following the acquisition, IBM's Watson will be able to tap into more data sets, including Weather's mobile and web properties, which analyze data from 3 billion weather forecast reference points, over 40 million mobile phones, and 50,000 flights per day."

56 comments

  1. Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    data! data everywhere!

  2. Weather.com is complete shit by hsmith · · Score: 2

    It is full of shitty ads, takes forever to load, every "story" is just clickbait bullshit garbage.

    Congrats on buying Buzzfeed for weather, IBM.

    1. Re:Weather.com is complete shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had never even heard of them before this announcement. It is funny that a company with that name operates 'cloud-based services'.

    2. Re:Weather.com is complete shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is full of shitty ads, takes forever to load, every "story" is just clickbait bullshit garbage. Congrats on buying Buzzfeed for weather, IBM.

      Oh, I first thought you were talking about /.

    3. Re:Weather.com is complete shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Weather Company is the parent company of The Weather Channel. They are 70% owned by the Rothchilds.

    4. Re:Weather.com is complete shit by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The Weather Company is the parent company of The Weather Channel. They are 70% owned by the Rothchilds.

      I just knew it! It's a Zionist conspiracy to control the weather!

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    5. Re:Weather.com is complete shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      bit Wunderground.com is prwtty good still. they havent nerfed it too bad.

  3. Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Hadlock · · Score: 2

    Someone please say it's true?!? IBM please revive Wunderground classic! The new framework is an atrocity, give me back my Wunderground!
     
    Sincerely, A weather nerd

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    1. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, please, please!

      The new site is the epitome of dumbass web-development that puts form over function.

    2. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I only discovered Wunderground about a year ago, what did it used to look/work like?

      Sincerely,
      Another weather nerd (I spend so much time outside that watching the weather is a routine daily activity)

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    3. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by SuperRenaissanceMan · · Score: 1

      I only discovered Wunderground about a year ago, what did it used to look/work like?

      It was wonderful!

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    4. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by CBM · · Score: 2

      I'm a weather nerd and I think the new site is freaking awesome. The new forecast charts are brilliant. They have dew point on the chart which is great. The new radar is OK but you can always click through to the NexRad screen for higher resolution.

    5. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the new graph feature for the forecast is an improvement on the old site, but the old wunder map was flipping amazing and they did their best to ruin it. It was fast, it did not have ads, and it had more and better overlays. The new one is missing a number of the overlays, is slow and somehow feels bloated even with fewer features, and its chock full of ads.

    6. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Informative

      Basically the original Wunderground.com site was very, very data dense, and had lots of links to specific views of weather data, data patterns, forecasts including aviation and maritime. You also got a post-it note sized wundermap view of your local area with all of this data. Rather than getting a TV man weather report, they gave you a full weather station with all the relevant data feeds. It was very transparent and if you disagreed with the weather report, there was enough data go dig in and decide if the model was off, or if that weather pattern would impact your local area.
       
      The new "web 2.0" redesign dumped most of that data deep in the website, or hid it completely. Rather than having an all-in-one page, you were forced to hunt for relevant information. Data density dropped way, way down as well, which made it harder to put together a coherent picture yourself. If you just wanted to know if it was going to be sunny on Saturday, the new Wunderground was for you. If you were a hard core weather junkie who helped build up the site by telling all your friends about it for the last 15 years, it was total garbage. Since wunderground's primary audience was talented nerds, the new design did not go over well, and it didn't offer anything special (other than Wundermap which is a polished feed of the high resolution radar data now avalible for $$$ from NOAA) so it just kind of died due to absolutely shit management not understanding their core audience, and then alienating them by turning off classic.wunderground.com earlier this year.
       
      Here's a NYT article on the topic
       
      Here's a blog post detailing the changes
       
        OLD - Here is a screenshot of "Classic" Wunderground, essentially unchanged from 2002 or so when the site really took off: https://i.imgur.com/7PA9TQF.png
       
        NEW - Here is the site with it's "web 2.0 redesign" that went in to beta around 2010 and finally completely replaced Wunderground Classic in 2015: https://i.imgur.com/P7SU61J.png
       
      The old site had it's fans for their reasons and it wasn't for everyone, but it was still the best online weather station data aggregator when they finally put it down. The only thing that could have made it beter was some sort of integration with stormpulse (I reccomend Cyclocane as a free alternative)

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    7. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, damnit. It's just Endless September gone exponential.

      My head would asplode except there is nothing left inside it.

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    8. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It kind of reminds of just how terribly Google has treated DejaNews.

    9. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
      The new site is slow as molasses. It takes about 10 to 15 seconds to load a page. The old site was nearly instantaneous to load. It ised to load as quickly as this weather site.

      .
      The original incarnation of the new site was an abomination, a perfect example of the bad web design that is afflicting the web nowadays: poor font contrast, slow load times, excessive click requirements, etc. Basic current weather information required multiple clicks to access.

      At least the current version of the new site eliminates the excessive clicking. But it is gawdawful slow.

      I've been a member of the WU site for a few years (I'm grandfathered at $5 a year). I was thinking of punting the membership, but now I think I'll wait another year to see if IBM can fix the site's slowness and make it useful again.

    10. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by Jayfar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did someone say classic?

      $ telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com
      Trying 38.102.137.140...
      Connected to rainmaker.wunderground.com.
      Escape character is '^]'.

    11. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by jhjjhj · · Score: 1

      I prefer the new design, although it took some getting used to.

      It works much, much better for narrow windows

      the 10 day graph, customized to add dew point has most of what I am interested in.

      You can change that graph to table or descriptive form if that's more useful.

      looking at the screenshots I don't see any information missing in the new screen. The new screen is 30% larger, but with a bigger font, so a better comparison would need to shift the size down.

    12. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by drew870mitchell · · Score: 1

      As a nerd but not a weather nerd, I've been using wunderground since the first I ever knew of it (~2000). I did not think the redesign was a step backwards, but then I'm sure there are things that are of interest to wx foamers that I wasn't seeing.

      Wunderground still absolutely thrashes the other major weather websites. I haven't ventured there in a couple years but I know the last time I visited weather.com it was so fugly, clickbaity, ad-riddled and just generally awful that I would rather navigate warez filesharing/download sites.

      FWIW Stormpulse's website appears that it wouldn't show me any information until I "Signed in with LinkedIn" - I understand running a business and selling data, but, fuck that noise always and forever.

    13. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Huh. I found it just after they 'updated' it, then.
      Frankly I would have been OK with either form of it. I don't have that much of a problem with the way it is now, with one notable exception: It's bloated as hell, functionally speaking. It takes what seems like an inordinate amount of time for the page to load and finish executing, probably because of the Flash and Java content used to run it. Otherwise I'm more or less OK with the way the data is presented. I'm not a big fan of animations-for-the-sake-of-animations, though; the graph feature is an efficient way to present temp/wind/humidity/precipitation information, but the amount of perceived effort it takes for it to animate the expansion of a particular day is, in my opinion, pointless window-dressing that serves no functional purpose. I do agree with you about the WunderMap, though, currently if I want to see NEXRAD, I'll go to the NWS page instead and look at it there instead of at WU.

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  4. Good thing I get my weather from the NWS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can't wait to see how IBM outsources the fucking weather.

    1. Re:Good thing I get my weather from the NWS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Weather Service?

    2. Re:Good thing I get my weather from the NWS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait to see how IBM outsources the fucking weather.

      Badly?

    3. Re:Good thing I get my weather from the NWS... by plopez · · Score: 1

      I was about to say, if anyone can screwup weather reporting its IBM. They destroy everything they touch and have a habit of buying and clinging to dying tech.

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  5. Weather channel sucks by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Replacing the realty shit with automated screens will be better.

  6. Re:Muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muslims: they're bad and they're black and on the attack.

    I found a picture of you

  7. Re:Wunderground Classic revival?!?! No way. by mmell · · Score: 1

    C'mon, Big Blue has it now. My guess - they'll try to find a way to charge for the weather widgets/desktop gadgets. Either that, or make 'em so complex it'll take a SME and a support team to get it working.

  8. More like David. Less like Goliath. by mmell · · Score: 1

    (N/T)

  9. Public securitization by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 2

    Wunderground hosts private weather stations across the U.S. in a broad brushstroke data collection that deepens the weather data pool. IBM obviously has the power to submarine down into those depths revealing chaos patterns and resolving a weather picture unattainable. For a price!

    Fun to see WallSt. takeover the backcountry reporting stations, backyard weather rigs and blend them into a special sauce just for paying customers. What are the chances JonQPublic finds free access benefit from their free contribution? What are the chances local impacts can be forecast better with IBM?

    1. Re:Public securitization by DougOtto · · Score: 1

      As someone who has been feeding weather data to them for a number of years, I'm concerned......

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    2. Re:Public securitization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you be concerned about your weather data??

      Shit it looks like you not only use facebook but use it to sign into slashdot!! You are not concerned with your data one iota.

      You don't have to lie to kick it.

    3. Re:Public securitization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > IBM obviously has the power to submarine down into those depths...

      Is submarine a verb nowadays?

  10. IBM acquires Weather infrastructure by StewBaby2005 · · Score: 2

    Probably the only way they could keep the contract...

    1. Re:IBM acquires Weather infrastructure by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

      Look for weather infrastructure support opportunities opening up in Brazil and India.

  11. Weather Central != The Weather Company by tepples · · Score: 1

    The article you linked mentions Weather Central, which is not The Weather Company. The Weather Company is owned by Blackstone, Bain, and NBCUniversal.

    1. Re:Weather Central != The Weather Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You are wrong. Weather Central and The Weather Company are one in the same.

  12. IBM is hurtin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this tells you how badly IBM is hurting these days. They can't win against Cloudera and Hortonworks. People are moving away from their expensive software and IBM global services can't retain the top talent. Looks like the real death spiral for IBM really has begun.

    1. Re:IBM is hurtin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The death spiral began a long time ago. Now they're in the "piss away all the cash trying to increase revenue" phase. Then they enter the final stages of corporate death (see HP).

  13. Stupid move for such a smart company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weather forecasting is done in the following fashion:

    First, a random-number generator running on a networked cluster of Commodore PET machines in a basement in Poughkeepsie, New York applies random small changes to historical weather data from the last 50 years for any given area, to produce the prediction for 10 days out.

    Then, as each day passes, those numbers are adjusted depending on whether the predicted temperature was above or below the temperature previously predicted for THAT day. This is why if you look at Friday's predicted low and high temperatures on MONDAY, then again on TUESDAY, and so on, it will subtly change as Friday approaches, getting closer and closer to the actual value as the day draws near. They pretend it's because the data gets more accurate as the day approaches, but the reality is, unless there's a GIANT storm approaching whose track can be guessed at, the predictions even more than 3 or 4 days out might as well have come straight out of the 1978 Farmer's Almanac.

    Finally, whenever by sheer, random chance they NAIL a prediction, they go on about how right they were that one time, and repeat it until people forget it's all just GUESS-WORK.

    You can do this yourself. Get a fake degree in weather forecasting, (which is a close relative of divination,) call yourself a "meteorologist" to make it sound like you've studied, and if you're particularly unscrupulous, sell people COPPER and FERROMAGNETIC NICKEL TORNADO REPELLANTS, or scrolls of FLOOD PROTECTION, or whatever, to nail to their doorways to scare the raindrops away.

    This all works because only stupid, highly credulous people live where bad weather strikes. All the smart and savvy types have moved to places that don't have BAD weather, though when too many do this, there doesn't end up being enough WATER where they are to sustain them all.

  14. In related news by theid0 · · Score: 1

    Amazon is also interested in cloudy big data: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/a...

    Perhaps the assistance from The Weather Company is not completely unrelated to today's announcement.

  15. Sounds Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds a lot like I Am AWAKE (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H7H75BQ)...AI computer has the ability to tap into big weather data. Interesting concept with huge money-making possibilities of seeing market moves before some analyst has the time to estimate the weather's impact on the price of tradable commodities.

    1. Re: Sounds Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's about the money. Imagine if IBM could crunch all the weather numbers and see trends ahead of time like crop yields, flooding, feed scarcity, etc. catching just a small slice of the $500B weather-related impact would pay for this acquisition in just a few years. Never read that book in your post, but Watson would have to be watching for trends in weather *and* know what the geographical area was used for. Weather is one thing, but anticipating financial impact would be incredibly hard IMHO.

    2. Re: Sounds Familiar by plopez · · Score: 1

      Given that weather seems to be a higher order non-linear system with thousands of inputs with sensitivity to initial conditions as well as sensitivity to rounding errors that would be a neat trick.

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  16. Weather Underground by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Shame...I love the photo side of that website.

  17. But how much does Rothschild still own? by tepples · · Score: 1

    From the linked article: "In 2012, Weather Services International, a sister company to The Weather Channel, announced an agreement to acquire Weather Central." If The Weather Company has acquired Weather Central, doesn't that mean E.L. Rothschild LLC no longer owns it?

  18. The original weather underground would be horrifie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Originally the weather underground was started at The University of Michigan. It was named after the sixties domestic terrorist group that also started at u of m as an offshoot of the students for a democratic society (sds). I thought The name was a clever bit of fun. U of M sold it to weather.com, which has sold it to ibm. The original weatherman (their motto was "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, implying that revolution was imminent) would be horrified. I love the irony but it's probably lost on most people lol.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

  19. Watson vs. ECMWF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not counting on huge improvements in forecasts just yet. Watson is about 80 Teraflops. The European Center for Mid Range Weather Forecasting has about 3840 Teraflops. Not sure IBM has 50 Watsons just lying around to dedicate to this problem.

  20. Generated data by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    4 Gb of data per second - and that's probably just the metadata from the client queries.

  21. IBM Cloud Technology by TheRealDilbert · · Score: 2

    Sounds like par for the course for the MBA's running IBM these days. They convinced themselves "cloud" is the next big thing, so they picked up their iPhones and asked Siri "What is an established company that has a lot of experience in cloud analytics?". Siri came back with "Weather.com" - and the rest is history (unfortunately big blue is history too...)

  22. IBM's secret project on weather control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Headed up by IBM researchers Isidore Parsons and William Allen. They call it the "Allen-Parsons Project".

  23. Cognitive and IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! What a leap. Combining Cognitive platform with IoT wherein millions of devices churn in data per second... Practical, precious data. I'll not be surprised if by the same time next year, the met department shuts shop.

    1. Re: Cognitive and IoT by IBME · · Score: 1

      I am not surprised by how stupid people are on slashdot in thinking that that some turd server has a fuck thing to do with weather at all. Sure, planes and ships need to know what is directly ahead. People hiking in the wilderness too. But to think that some fucktard ap somehow can make the sun shine when you want it to is pathetic to the core. Weather is a lot about attraction and has nothing whatsoever to do with computer modeling and prediction. Stick that in your toddlers thinking cap idiots.

  24. Weather.com + Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cloud-based services

    I see what you did there.

  25. Not just what's in the summary by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind, the Big Boys are using weather when it comes to the stock market now, too.
    IBM's gonna make a killing selling this data to brokers and HFT.

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