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Junkyard Owner Saves Lunar Rover Prototype (vice.com)

An anonymous reader writes: On Tuesday, Slashdot users learned that a man in Alabama sold a lunar rover prototype for scrap metal. We now learn that the junkyard owner has saved this important piece of scientific history. The man claims that, upon receiving the prototype at his scrap facility, he set it aside because he knew exactly what it was.

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  1. On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On Tuesday, Slashdot users learned that...

    And yet, everyone else learned about this on Monday. Go Slashdot!

    1. Re: On Monday by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's OK - they had to wait until Tuesday to collectively mock all the people who live in Alabama. Now that they've realized that a junkyard owner there knows more about space history than they do, they can take the whole day Friday to reflect on how much the experience has caused them to grow as individuals.

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    2. Re: On Monday by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      The junkyard owner is an Alabama resident too.

    3. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      whooooosshh. You must be from Mississippi.

    4. Re: On Monday by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      That being exactly his point.

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    5. Re: On Monday by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Junk dealers is ALWAYS going to know how much it's really worth (and if he's not sure he'll put it aside until he does know) and I highly doubt he's going to voluntarily hand it over without receiving a check for how much it's worth.

      One of the prime profit opportunities in the junk business is to receive items that aren't junk. Dealers are always on the lookout for special non-junk items they can make a bundle on because some ignorant dumbass sold it to them for a few cents a pound. It's not that much different than the pawn business where they are always on the lookout for antiques and other items they know are worth far more than the owner believes.

      When I heard this story I was at first incredulus that the guy didn't walk across the street and tell the neighbor what it was. Then I realized that the chances the Junk dealer wouldn't put it aside and determine the worth before melting it down was near zero. Then I realized the guy that didn't walk across the street basically screwed over the neighbor by not telling him how much it was worth with the side realization that he may have cut a side deal with the junk dealer by tipping him off.

    6. Re: On Monday by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

      That reminds me: You know why the US gov't settled Werner Von Braun in Alabama? 'Cause they figured a Nazi would blend right in.

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    7. Re: On Monday by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Weren't you recently complaining in another thread about people posting sexist/racist comments?

      If you're going to go around making bigoted and stereotypical remarks yourself, perhaps you shouldn't whine when other people do it.

    8. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's okay. He's a progressive. We he makes a questionable remark, it's demonstrating his broad range of knowledge. When others do it, it's demonstrating their small-mindedness.

      Not to mention it's been obvious for a while now he's a troll.

    9. Re: On Monday by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Weren't you recently complaining in another thread about people posting sexist/racist comments?

      Did I post a sexist/racist comment? Last time I looked, there were people of all races and sexes in Alabama. And most of them are related by blood.

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    10. Re: On Monday by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've always wondered. If a couple in Alabama get a divorce, are they still brother and sister?

    11. Re: On Monday by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Cue the obligatory toothbrush joke.

    12. Re: On Monday by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, in redneck territory a junkyard owner is a successful business person, the local ruling class in fact. And wise to worldly ways, educated in metallurgical topics. Probably subscribes to Scientific American or Popular Science. Of course he knew what it was. Even a typical idiot would know what it was, especially near a space program facility.

    13. Re: On Monday by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      No, but would you care to explain what type of humor it *was*?

    14. Re: On Monday by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It really destroys Progressive thought when it claims to be tolerant and openminded and then non-ironically makes dated, stereotype-based hate posts.

      And if you're going to criticize Alabama, it has one of the highest rates of black people in the nation, so you're a racist as well.

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    15. Re: On Monday by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is only true when the people working the counter or the scales or other forms of receiving have a financial stake in the company. When they do, they're willing to bend company procedures. Sometimes it's because they know something is actually worth more than its scrap value or because it has real sentimental value and should be preserved rather than junked, and sometimes it's because the owner or partner actually has a heart and is willing to take less than the completely-parted-out value for something in order to sell it whole to someone that wants the whole thing.

      My experience is mostly with automotive wrecking yards. The big recyclers aren't much fun to deal with, the staff doesn't care and just goes through the motions. The small private wrecking yards usually have the owner right there in the office, and sometimes one can buy whole cars with title for much less than he'd get if he's willing to sit on it for a couple of years to part it out, as he likes cars too and actually does restore them and values others that do the same.

      Unfortunately there are less and less owner-operator types anymore.

      As for this particular man, I don't have a problem with him making some real money selling the rover back to NASA or some other government agency. He's arguably the first person to care about it for quite some time, and it's not his problem that NASA and the other intermediate owners didn't value it at the time as much as he does now. If I were in his shoes I'd be tempted to restore it myself, just to be able to claim that I did, if no one was willing to come to a price I was willing to agree to.

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    16. Re: On Monday by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Well they didn't need to mock them anyways. It's already been done:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    17. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the natives couldn't count to five so they wouldn tnotice he didnt have six fingers on each hand.

    18. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and I understand that he is also from Alabama, too. :)

    19. Re: On Monday by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Visited a recycling center over the summer as part of my job, while I was there they found that someone had dropped off one of the red rolling toolchests. Worth about a grand. Nothing wrong with it except it smelled. They rolled it into their shop to use for themselves.

    20. Re: On Monday by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you implying that the internet has people who reflect, grow, and learn from their own mistakes? Besides, Friday is the day we rant about social justice folks. I don't think we'll have time for introspection and personal growth. We've got howler monkey screeching and poop flinging to do, ain't nobody got time for self-improvement on Fridays.

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    21. Re: On Monday by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      At least some recycling center people are smart enough to figure out when they have something that has a value beyond the scrap value on their hands.

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    22. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Alabama, they still don't want to consider them people. Though to be fair, they may have voted it out of the state constitution by now.

      It's hard to tell, that thing is a beast.

    23. Re: On Monday by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Informative

      Considering that junkyards today are pretty detailed about separation of items depending on metal type and sometimes even alloys they need to identify what they are working with to put stuff in the right bucket. Unusual devices requires extra consideration not only from the perspective of metals but also from hazardous material.

      Junkyards are no longer a local hobo operation but actually pretty detailed in what they do - and regulated. So if stuff ends up from someone that do have some unusual labeling like NASA or so then they will at least take a second look. They usually want to make sure that they avoid the Cobalt-60 incident from December 1983 in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico and similar.

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    24. Re: On Monday by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      I am sure this happens in other types of recycling centers as well.. In our office, we are constantly going through PC, rack servers, monitors, etc. Some of it only a few years old. While there might be value in getting money for them, it is actually a great thing that there are companies that will come in and take them away for free. Sure they have value, but the labor involved in recouping those costs are just not worth it at our pay scales. In addition, shelf space in our office has value too.

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    25. Re: On Monday by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You do realise that digs at people who are not being actively repressed by great swathes of society or the institutions that govern them is somewhat different to digs at people who are?

    26. Re: On Monday by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand what "hate" and "racist" mean, apparently. That would explain why you just vomited your ignorance all over slashdot for the world to see. And not for the first time :)

    27. Re: On Monday by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I love my recycling/hazardous waste disposal center. They will let you take something from the yard equipment or household chemical section if you want it. I always take a look through the chemical section as I have found unopened cans of the deck stain I use, almost full gallons of various solvents, all sorts of perfectly good wood finishes. I haven't bought solvent in years because I find so much of it.

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    28. Re: On Monday by Holi · · Score: 2

      Yes because when one person makes an off color joke, it means that everyone with a similar political view is tainted. Hard to call out people on stereotyping by doing it yourself.

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    29. Re: On Monday by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      When you can find people in the US who are repressed, then we might have a conversation about it.

      Currently, the only repression happening is the people repressing themselves, at least in the US, I don't live in another country, so I can't speak for how it is there.

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    30. Re: On Monday by BigDish · · Score: 1

      Nothing could be further from the truth. I frequent a local scrapyard (electronic/industrial, not car) and in their mind, everything they get is just being shredder and recycled. I come in sometimes, buy stuff, and sell it on eBay/craigslist. I've bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of computers, LCD monitors, etc, literally for a few cents a pound.

      The amount of stuff (LCD monitors and TVs in particular) I've seen there that almost certainly worked when they got it, but they literally just threw it into a bin and cracked the screen, is insane.

    31. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahaha @ Dave420 the imbecile http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    32. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahaha @ Dave420 the imbecile http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    33. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

      Except in this case it's holding them to the same standard they hold others to. Bitch and moan about off color jokes, then maybe you shouldn't make them yourself.

      And the truth of the matter is not the joke but the target: perfectly acceptable to poke fun at the impoverished whites.

      If you are a hypocrite.

    34. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that Huntsville has been a NASA town since the 60's, I don't think anybody makes fun of the state for science reasons.
      It's that whole incest & moonshine thing. They're still confusing AL with Arkansas and Kentucky.

    35. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Arkansas.

    36. Re: On Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. The people of Alabama are clearly just gliding through the easy life on their huge pedestals of privilege.

    37. Re: On Monday by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I sense some repression on your part. Am i allowed to say that?

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    38. Re: On Monday by Agripa · · Score: 1

      A lot of valuable test equipment gets junked this way. On the other hand, if one is vigilant and has the opportunity, it can sometimes be saved and restored providing features which would cost 20 times the price new or even higher.

      Test equipment produced starting in the early 1990s is largely unrepairable though so this is a diminishing activity.

      The thing I find really annoying is when they cut probe cables or separate probes from their test instruments. Then the equipment often does become junk at any price.

    39. Re: On Monday by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I was at the scrap yard a couple months ago selling some old auto parts, (I got $3 for my old brake rotors) and most of it was pickups full of mixed metal, which gets piled as steel, aluminum, copper. They just weigh the truck before and after. And then they "sort" it in detail with a backhoe.

      Something like this is going to get set aside at the start, unless it is in somebody's truck of scrap and they prop it up onto the pile. Then it might indeed get sorted by the backhoe into the car squash pile.

      The reason they wouldn't have a Cobalt-60 accident is that they don't allow whole metal drums. You're going to have to get a torch and cut those drums in half before you can scrap them. Otherwise, yeah, there is probably all sorts of toxic crap mixed in there.

  2. After which it was taken to Las Vegas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where Rick offered 500 bucks for it, Big Hoss asked whether the moon landing was faked, the old man mentioned the Navy and Chum sat on it.

    1. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Where Rick offered 500 bucks for it, Big Hoss asked whether the moon landing was faked, the old man mentioned the Navy and Chum sat on it.

      At least Big Hoss didn't try to buy it with his own money then take it to Danny to get it tricked out. Because you know Chum would want to put hydraulics on that thing.

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    2. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I see those are words but they don't make a whole lot of sense to me. Comedy show on television? Another cult classic that I've somehow missed? Bad re-write of some Japanese animation that takes place in Las Vegas? :/

      Too many results for Rick in Google to narrow this down. /. does confuse me once in a while but this post is strange enough to remark on. That there are two of you indicates that there's something that I am missing. Google is not helpful.

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    3. Re: After which it was taken to Las Vegas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your google-fu is pathetic. Try entering all the proper nouns.

    4. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a reference to an H2 (basic cable station, USA) show called Pawn Stars; a reality TV show about a family-owned pawn shop in Las Vegas.

    5. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by will_die · · Score: 1

      US reality TV show called Pawn Stars focusing on the stuff people come in to sell to the pawn store.
      The main joke deal with all the people that bring stuff in that is worth $1000 and they want the full $1000. Ignoring that the store has to make a profit.

    6. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your junk is only worth as much as you can get some idiot to pay you for it.

    7. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Thanks. I've seen a pawn shop program at a friends place. I don't think it was that one. I think it was in Detroit or something. It was not very interesting.

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    8. Re:After which it was taken to Las Vegas by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I have yet to come across that one. I don't watch much television - I've just got better stuff to watch than what I found on television. Well, better stuff for my wants/needs. A quick Google says it's a reality TV show type of thing so it's unlikely that I'd have seen it. I did see another one, at a friends, and it wasn't very interesting. Ah well...

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  3. Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The man claims that, upon receiving the prototype at his scrap facility, he set it aside because he knew exactly what it was.

    I call bullsh*t.

    1. Re:Sure. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It certainly looks odd and something you might want to identify before you put it in the garbage smasher.

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    2. Re:Sure. by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      Not at all, those of us who were alive at the time who watched the rover on televison would recognize the frame instantly, just as we would recognize the ascent and descent stages of prototype Lunar Module either together or seperately. You must be young.

    3. Re:Sure. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      You would instantly recognize this? You really must be a space nerd... I feel definitely above the overall average when it comes to knowledge space tech in general, and I definitely wouldn't recognize most of the multitude of planetary rover prototypes from the 60s.

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    4. Re:Sure. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Everyone was a space nerd. That's a VERY famous photo from 1967 with Von Braun. He did documentaries on TV in the late 60s of moon program and space travel.

    5. Re:Sure. by Golden_Rider · · Score: 2

      Not at all, those of us who were alive at the time who watched the rover on televison would recognize the frame instantly, just as we would recognize the ascent and descent stages of prototype Lunar Module either together or seperately. You must be young.

      Except that it does not look anything like the actual lunar rovers which were sent to the moon, because this was only a prototype for testing various components...

    6. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was born in 1964 and that's the first time I've seen that photo. Maybe it's not quite as famous as you think. Still, no sane junk dealer is going to immediately scrap something he just bought if it looks even a little bit interesting.

    7. Re:Sure. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you were 2 or 3 years old when that photo was taken. would you recognize a photo of LBJ?

    8. Re:Sure. by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except back then in Alabama everybody knew about it. We kept track of everything space related, even prototypes. Von Braun lived in Alabama!!!! Huntsville was the very heart of the space program. Still is! We're pretty well-informed down here.

      I was born in 1953, grew up about 16 miles from the junkyard (60 miles from Huntsville), and I would have recognized the damned thing. I'd recognize nearly anything related to the space program from that era. Most everybody I know would.

    9. Re:Sure. by shri · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite TV shows is Rocket City Rednecks. Changed my opinions (just a little bit!) about people from Alabama. :)

    10. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... it's a picture that's so famous, anyone should recognize it... except for those, that despite being alive during that timeframe, wouldn't recognize it.

      Got it.

    11. Re:Sure. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You would instantly recognize this?

      Yes.
      Pretty well everyone back in the day who read newspapers would fit that broad description of space nerd.

    12. Re:Sure. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Von Braun sitting in it is a dead give-away. ;)

      Granted, without him, without the NASA logo on the box on top, and without the dish antenna it might be a little harder to recognize. (Partly due to its simplicity. Many of the rover prototypes back then were more complex and instantly recognizable, especially the six-wheeled or pressurized ones.)

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    13. Re:Sure. by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      There's a lot more historical leaders of men then there are moon rovers.

    14. Re:Sure. by unimacs · · Score: 1

      Clearly the guy who sold it to the junk yard didn't know what it was. I was born in 64, and was very interested in the space program. I even built model rockets including a Saturn V. I would not have recognized that at all. However, it's certainly unusual and looks like a one-off kind of thing.

      Since the space program had a major presence there I can see a savvy junk dealer coming to the conclusion that it at least might be something that came from NASA and contacting them.

    15. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except for those that, because they were 3 during that timeframe, wouldn't recognize it

      There, FTFY.

    16. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were too young to remember, that's all.

    17. Re:Sure. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I'd have been ten when the picture was taken (probably, technically, nine) and I recognize it. I'd also recognize LBJ. I don't know how tall he was but he always looked like a big man in the film footage. Anyhow, it's got a big fucking NASA logo on it and it's in Alabama. Of course you don't smelt it down instantly. Junk yard owners are not dumb, I'm not sure where that stereotype comes from. I think I might recognize it but I have the benefit of now knowing about it so I can't really say.

      Actually, I just clicked the link and looked at the picture. I figured I should, before hitting submit. (Don't worry, I didn't read the article.) No, no I'd have not recognized that. Not at all. I'd have been curious and found out what it was, however. That it has specialized tires means that I'd be awfully curious. I'd have also been curious because of the wheels, they're definitely not typical. I doubt I'd have smelted it down until after I knew what it was.

      After looking at it, I'm not sure they should be called heroic or if it's really all that valuable as a historic relic. I guess that is for others to decide. I'm not sure that I'm qualified to opine.

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    18. Re:Sure. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I recognize the photo the GP linked to. I then checked the article (just to see if it had a pic, nary a whole sentence was read - I'm no heretic) and there's no way in hell that I'd have recognized that. I'd have kept it until I did know what it was, however. The wheels and tires are too specific to be ordinary junk. They're simply not typical designs on any type of vehicle that I'm familiar with of that age, of today, or at any time in history. They're similar to some but not so similar as to be ordinary. I'd want to know what the hell it was before smelting it down.

      As said above, after seeing the image, I'm not exactly sure that it's worth keeping. There are far more interesting things that can be and are displayed. It may hold some value to someone, however. I'm just not sure that it has any historic value outside of a small group of people and, even then, I'm not sure how high they'd prioritize that value. Meh, I'll give him $1000 for it. $1500 if he ships it to my house in Maine.

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    19. Re:Sure. by aXis100 · · Score: 2

      It looked like a crappy old go-cart to me. I would have crushed it in an instant.

    20. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was born in 1964 and that's the first time I've seen that photo."

      That's because you're a snotty whippersnapper and not 'old'.

    21. Re:Sure. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Von Braun sitting in it is a dead give-away. ;)"

      I had to zoom it, because I thought for a moment that it was Donald Trump.

    22. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! Now the NAZI immortality research will come to light!

    23. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, 10?

    24. Re:Sure. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://motherboard.vice.com/re...

      I don't know, it looks pretty rough. The first picture in TFA is from the junk dealer of the actual rover, I can tell from comparing pictures that they are the same design, but beyond that, I likely wouldn't know what the hell it is. This is good reason for the junk dealer to set it aside to try and figure it out though.

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    25. Re: Sure. by GrantRobertson · · Score: 1

      I grew up making plastic models of all things Apollo. I would not have known "exactly" what it was. However, if there were lots of one-off, precision machined components, made out of unusual alloys, AND I lived near a NASA facility, then I would have at least had my suspicions and looked into it.

    26. Re:Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have been about 8½, and I recognized it and WvB (better image, another image). I was one of those space-nerds who watched all of the Apollo landings, and was almost 11 when Armstrong & Aldrin landed on the Moon. The only one I lost interest in was Apollo 13, not because of its drama, but because it didn't land on the Moon.

    27. Re:Sure. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I recognized the picture - I did not recognize the picture of the junk. Well, I don't think I'd have recognized it. It would have been curious enough to set aside and find out what it is, however. The wheels, especially, would have piqued my interest.

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    28. Re:Sure. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. Sure, I know the picture. That was everywhere. The one in the junk yard? I honestly don't think I'd have recognized that. It'd be nice to claim I would but I don't think I would have. I'd have recognized that it was unique and, from the looks of things, fairly well made. The wheels, especially those, would have made me think that it should be held on to until I found out exactly what it was.

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    29. Re:Sure. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      most leaders of men lead the way in killing or maiming people, or taking their property or raping their women

  4. It's inevitable by burtosis · · Score: 1

    If you save mountains of crap you will find 0.12% of it useful. Someday...

  5. Faith in humanity: restored. by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this news made my day much nicer.

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  6. Thank you by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... Fred Sanford.

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  7. Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the article NASA knew exactly where it was, that it was not destroyed and had even come to inspect it.

    "NASA knew it was still available. In my mind, they tried to play a trickery game. They wanted me to loan it to them, but I think they just wanted to get it into their possession. They offered me [perks], they offered me everything but cash," the junkyard owner said. "NASA told me when they came out to inspect it that they had looked for it for 25 years. It is the von Braun, the first and last they made. I was told it is the rarest of all the units."

    So what's the deal?

    1. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by erice · · Score: 5, Interesting

      According to the article NASA knew exactly where it was, that it was not destroyed and had even come to inspect it.

      "NASA knew it was still available. In my mind, they tried to play a trickery game. They wanted me to loan it to them, but I think they just wanted to get it into their possession. They offered me [perks], they offered me everything but cash," the junkyard owner said. "NASA told me when they came out to inspect it that they had looked for it for 25 years. It is the von Braun, the first and last they made. I was told it is the rarest of all the units."

      So what's the deal?

      I imagine it went something like this:

      NASA Rep: That's GREAT! You've done your country a great service by preserving this priceless artifact. When shall we pick it up?
      Junk Yard Owner: Now hold on a minute! This ain't free. I want to be paid.
      NASA Rep: OK. How much do you want?
      Junk Yard Owner: $BIGNUM
      NASA Rep: This is a side project. We don't have that kind of budget.
      Junk Yard Owner: This is a limited time offer! If you don't pay $BIGNUM by X, I will melt it down! Then what will your superiors say?
      NASA Rep: My superiors barely approve of me spending time on this. I think it is important but there is no way I can get the money you ask.
      Junk Yard Owner: I'm serious! I'll melt it down!
      NASA Rep: Well, then I guess we're done here.

      [Time X + Delta]
      NASA PR: A priceless artifact of the Apollo program has been melted down.

      [Time X + Delta + Y]
      Junk Yard Owner: I did not melt it down. NASA just has to pay me.

    2. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Solandri · · Score: 0

      "They offered me [perks], they offered me everything but cash," the junkyard owner said

      So what's the deal?

      If the prototype was taken from NASA without permission, technically it's stolen government property. And they can just take it back without paying the guy anything. Furthermore, I think knowingly taking receipt of stolen government property and attempting to sell it back to the government is a crime. If the guy tries to be difficult, they'll probably play that card. NASA's initial feelers are probably attempts to resolve this amicably without turning into a lawsuit and/or criminal trial.

    3. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Barny · · Score: 1

      RTFA, it was purchased at auction from NASA, then rotted in someone's yard, then they tried to scrap it to get some cash. Scrap-yard owner decided it was worth saving and has done.

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    4. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 1

      That fact is inconvenient and will likely be denied.

    5. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like NASA comes up with a story how it was not authorized to be auctioned off therefore the sale wasn't legitimate.

    6. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "If the prototype was taken from NASA without permission, technically it's stolen government property. They can just take it back without paying the guy anything."

      More precisely, the government can claim that a given artifact was stolen and just grab it even if it has no proof. If you have a sufficiently large amount of money and a period of years to devote to the effort, you can make them give it back eventually.

      To see what I mean, look up 'Langbord Coins".

    7. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by marciot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They offered me [perks], they offered me everything but cash

      The deal is that thanks to Congress NASA has no budget. They are scrambling to put together a bake sale to raise money for buying the rover, but it's hard to get aerospace engineers to bake anything that someone else would want to buy and eat.

    8. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Funny

      True. When you bake everything at 1400K, your ceramics come out nicely but cakes tend to get a little burnt.

    9. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The deal is that thanks to Congress NASA has no budget. "

      Then perhaps they should stop telling everyone that the only reason they got to the moon is because a Nazi helped them do it.

    10. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      The deal is that when it comes to Government it's a Budget concern. They need to follow The Budget at any price, no matter what, and if they need to buy it back with money then they need to have An Account.

      A lot of other action can be absorbed into the daily work, but as soon as you purchase something it must be on The Budget and there nut be An Account for said purchase.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    11. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, scrapyard likely wants more money than NASA received when it sold the rover in the auction.

    12. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear they make great Rocket Candy.

    13. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bake sale, huh? Yeah, legalizing and taxing marijuana - that should raise plenty of money.

    14. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read up about the Langbord Coins and it seems pretty clear they were stolen. The family used some impressive legal tricks and managed to keep loot. Certainly not a poster child for government overreach, which I agree is way to common.

    15. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      If they were stolen, how could a government with all the legal power in the world lose the case?

    16. Re:Why did NASA lie about it being destroyed? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Lol, scrapyard likely wants more money than NASA received when it sold the rover in the auction.

      And he should, too!

      Why should he give it away, when he was the one who recognized it and saved it. If it were not for him it would already be Gone.

      If he were rich and wanted to donate it, then that would be his choice. But not everyone is a billionare... 8-)

  8. Forget the NASA crap... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Did he kept The Vulture from being scrapped?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage_1

    1. Re:Forget the NASA crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke's on you, the Vulture was scrap all the time!

  9. Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminded me of Salvage 1, one of my favorite series.

  10. It's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Compare the photos:

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/someone-in-alabama-sold-a-priceless-lunar-rover-for-scrap-metal
    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/heroic-junkyard-owner-says-he-saved-priceless-moon-rover-from-scrap-heap

    The 'original' had many more holes in the wheels, and the curvature does not match many parts of the vehicle

    bottom line: More NASA lies (which stands for Never A Straight Answer)

    more proof we never landed

    1. Re:It's fake by Tablizer · · Score: 0

      You have a "point", something does seem fishy. If you look at the two photos on space.com's article, the top "point" of the triangle is pointier in one versus the other.

    2. Re:It's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wheels have the same number of holes, and it looks to have the same dimensions. I agree with you though that it may not be the original roll bar , the von braun one has an obvious control panel in place on the roll bar and it is more rounded at the top. The junk one does not look like it ever had anything welded there ( truth is it is hard to tell with that picture) and is pointy.

    3. Re:It's fake by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      There was never an indication that they were the exact same iterations. There were many rover prototypes, not just the one.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  11. Absurd by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More like:

    Junk Yard: You can have it for $FAIRLY_LARGE_SUM, or I'll sell it to the highest bidder. But out of deference, I'm willing to give you first access without bidding.

    NASA: Give it to us for free, or we will use legal acton (which is why junkyard owner brought in lawyers and kept silent).

    NASA probably lied to try and cast doubt on the authenticity of what he had to reduce the selling price so they could get it cheaper. Far more believable than your absurd fantasy of the junk yard owner threatening to melt down a priceless artifact.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Absurd by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      You discount the possibility that the junk yard owner actually could make a great PR event of it, good reputation is often way better in the long run than just the money involved.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    2. Re:Absurd by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      The truth is probably more to do with the Senate Oversight Committee debating the existence of the Junkyard

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    3. Re: Absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think junkyard profitability is tied to good PR. But if it were, letting it get out that you let some fool drop-off an historic artifact for pennies isn't what I'd call good PR. But, again, I don't think people care.

  12. Look Again by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The wheels in the two photos are identical, apparently you can't count very well. Either than or you are unable to recognize the difference between light cast onto cross-beams on the back of the wheels from the holes themselves...

    The cross-beams on the wheels you can't see well (only back-right wheel) in the current-day picture, but it's still pretty obvious in the original photo what is going on light-wise.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Look Again by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is a different roll bar.
      In the original picture it doesn't look as if the console and the antenna on top were welded on. It seems more as if they were bolted on with a fitting around the bar.
      As to pointy and not: the roll bar is assymetrical. It has a pointy side and a more round side.
      The two photo's (old and new) are in reverse angle (you can see that by looking at the position of the roll bar and the wheels that have a different fitting fore and aft).

  13. Johnny Five - Is Alive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reads so much like like a silly 80's movie.

    All we need is a soundtrack... lol

  14. Once upon a time a Junk man had a dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great series.

  15. So he "claims"... by maharvey · · Score: 1

    ...but I don't believe it.

  16. Not the same rover by knownsense · · Score: 1

    Look at the canopy arch. the one in the photo is very different from the one in the junkyard.

    1. Re: Not the same rover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The canopy arch looks just like a red and white striped swing set. I wonder if it was used as such. It'd be a cool swing. The base looks legit when compairing the photos, they even have the old tires in the current photo.

  17. This is a SF story, sort of by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 2

    Last night I bought a Baen EBook: Terry Bisson - Numbers Don't Lie.

    The book consists of three stories, one of them is about a "Hole in the Hole", a Brooklyn junkyard which uses a spacetime rift connecting the junkyard to the Moon in order to get rid of old tires. Our protagonists tries to use said rift to retrieve one of the three Apollo Moon buggies that were left behind.

    Terje

    --
    "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
  18. Those aren't the only types of bigotry.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They said 'bigoted', you're the one who tried to make sexism and racism the only types thereof...

  19. Typical Liberal boondoggle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liberals hate that your stuff is not junk. They want to take all of your nice things and give you only junk in return. Obamacare makes you pay money (premiums) for the privilege of then spending your own money (deductible) on your own healthcare costs - and they want us to think that because we don't get taxed on HSA savings they're doing us a favor. Liberals hate property. So much hate.

    1. Re:Typical Liberal boondoggle by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, you're not suppose to drink the bong water....

  20. another twist to the story by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    This "rover" is a replica knocked together from junk the owner had in the junkyard when this story hit the wire.
    The "original" "rover" may or may not have been melted down, sold to the Chinese or some pets.com mogul or turned into a bitchin' electric dunebuggy.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  21. This cannot be real..... by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Because this JUNKYARD owner doesn't have a REALITY TV SHOW -- and everyone knows that all Junkyard Owners have reality TV shows!

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  22. The question now becomes... by Holi · · Score: 1

    So does he give it back to NASA as a gift and gain the good will of the world, or does he try and squeeze them for as much money as humanly possible? I know which I hope for and I am nearly positive that it won't be the one he chooses.

    --
    Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  23. It doesn't look the same to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article claims that this is the same prototype as the one pictured with Wernher von Braun. But the one in the junk yard has different wheels 8 cutouts around the perimeter, while the Wernher picture has 12 pictures in quadrants of 3. And while the buggy is facing backwards to the picture with Wernher the arch at the top of the 'swing set' is much sharper in the junkyard version.

    While it certainly looks like a prototype, I doubt this is the same buggy that Wernher von Braun was pictured in. To change the wheels, and swing set would be major changes and I would expect that NASA would have built another buggy for such changes.

    Just my amature observation.