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Finland Begins To Shape Basic Income Proposal (yle.fi)
jones_supa writes: The Finnish social insurance institution is to begin drawing up plans for a citizens' basic income model. If eventually deployed after an experimental phase, the model could revolutionize the Finnish social welfare system. Under basic income all citizens would be paid a taxless benefit sum free of charge by the government. The proposal's director Olli Kangas says that the model would see Finns being paid some 800 euros a month in its full form, 550 euros monthly in the model's pilot phase. The full-fledged form of the model would make some earnings-based benefits obsolete, but in the partial pilot format benefits would not be affected, and housing and income support would remain as separate packages. We first mentioned this plan a few months ago, and at the start of the year touched on a program that tied a basic income program with the Fimkrypto cryptocurrency.
"his is really the difference between capitalism as a means to exploit the weak, and capitalism as a means to voluntarily exchange for mutual benefit."
Those are two sides of the exact same coin. Capitalism is exactly the voluntary exchange for mutual benefit. What you people call "exploiting the weak" is the voluntary exchange between two people for mutual benefit, one of which you feel sympathy for.
Murder and taxation are quite different things.
One is a proactive act against another, which commits great harm... in fact, pretty much the biggest harm, for the end of existence is somewhat final.
The other me minding my own business, and then people threaten me and take money from my bank account at the threat of violence.
By this metric, the Government is acting in a violent manner. Precisely the same as a murderer is.
Where as, morally, I'm the innocent party.
More importantly, take a look at it from a smaller example.
You live in an isolated, small town. There are 20 of you. You live alone, bother no one, and other than approaching and trading for things, you certainly cause them no harm.
There is currently no tax.
One day, 7 of the people get together in an open area. They start to discuss the common good, how this and that is needed, and the list goes on. Eventually they decide that it is best to go to everyone's home, and demand goods that can be used to build some benches for the park.
When the gang of 7 show up at your house, you stand aghast as they explain that you need to give them some wood you have in the back. Wood you chopped, dried, and wanted to use for firewood that winter. And when you fight them?
They kick you into submission, and then throw you into a locked hut as punishment for dare defying them. For kicks and giggles, they take the rest of your wood as an additional penalty.
THAT IS TAXATION!
Just because there are a lot of people involved in the collective practice, does not make it right!
And most importantly, I can again at least stomach it to feed starving people.
But to build a park bench? Buy art? Take money and give it to everyone, even if they don't need it? Give money to warlords, overthrow foreign governments and put puppets in place of them? Build, create, and do all sorts of non-essential things?
As for your points about moving, or whatever else. No, guess what, this is my country. I get to tell everyone what an ass they are because they support inane taxation levels.
At least this freedom has not left yet.
There will always be someone above you who uses a part of your income or whatever to support the community as a whole. This can be done fairly well or poorly
I've seen this movie. (***spoiler alert***) It's going to be done fairly poorly because they don't care, are incompetent, and/or feathering their own nest.
You think you're self sufficient. You are not. You think that you don't need government. You do.
And you think you're not a patronizing idiot. This is going to turn into another burning straw man argument where you're going to argue that libertarians believe all sorts of crazy shit because your uninformed opinion. How about you carry that exercise offline? We don't need to hear, yet again, the bullshit about how caring bureaucrats carry our food from the farm straight to our dinner table, spoonfeed us, and wiping our asses for us.
You can be self-sufficient without growing your own food, shooting your own burglars, and building your own roads. You don't need the latest crazy patronage scheme or bribery scandal in order to survive. You most certainly don't need some nanny to watch what you say or do. We don't need (in the US) expensive food, real estate, health care, or education (because some helper made them more expensive). There is a lot of government we don't need and never will.
Why don't you read up on actual libertarian grievances (and actual tyranny of history) rather than just being another uninformed idiot on the internet? I don't expect most people to buy into the program. I don't fully buy in either. But this kind of ignorance and stupidity you demonstrate here is inexcusable.