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Feds Have a Plan For Catastrophic Solar Flares (digitaljournal.com)
New submitter Steve Sacco, referencing the newly released National Space Weather Strategy and the National Space Weather Action Plan, written in anticipation of large-scale disruptions from a solar flare or similar event, writes: Released on October 28, 2015, the White House plan involves the coordination of agencies from the federal level, state level, and including emergency managers, academia, the media, the insurance industry, nonprofit organizations and the private sector, all in preparation for the worst-case scenario possible, such as the Carrington Event that took place in 1859.
If you actually read TFA and TFD's, there is no plan. What there is, is an outline for a plan. This is about what they should do to prepare a plan -- it's not an actual plan.
Once they have a plan, then they need specially prepared gear, vehicles, etc. They don't have enough hardened / sheltered "stuff" to even have a hope of dealing with a really significant event.
If you don't have solar power stored in a nice dark box inside a Faraday cage, along with (at least) a radio and anything electrical you need to survive*, you won't even have the beginnings of what you'll need to going to do well -- and the government is not, in any way, prepared to help you out at this time. And your neighbors... they aren't going to be happy you're okay, and they are not, either.
* I do... I photograph auroras for fun, and in learning about them... and as I am both a ham and an engineer... it does tend to provoke some paranoia. And as for the neighbors... this is Montana. :)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
SDO/AIA has a strange design that results in internal reflections at high intensities ... resulting in that abnormal lens-flare like effect.
And besides ... the 131Angstrom images have a rather strange color palette. Most people stick with 304, 171-ish or 193-ish. (and to make it more confusing, the AIA color tables for ~171 and ~193 don't match SOHO/EIT and STEREO/EUVI)
I mean, I'm thankful they didn't use that early EIT 304 filament image from before they were properly accounting for the burn-in at the limb ... but that 131 flare image sucks, too.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/scien... - twice in the last thousand years or so, there has been an event around ten to twenty times larger, with a _much_ more energetic and destructive (to orbital things) spectrum.
or Space Climate?
From what I understand there is really only one preparation, which is the entire reason the Space Weather Prediction Center was created. To know that it's coming and be ready to shut down the grid. This isn't an EMP, it won't overly effect individual electrical systems (like a Hospital running on a generator). It really only effects large networks which have enough surface area to serve as a receiver for the energy of the storm. The biggest threat is operators not reacting fast enough, which would cause the grid voltage to increase to levels that it wasn't designed for which would cause transformers, generators and other control/generation systems to burn out. If that happened replacement of the burnt out systems would take years.
To be fair, there's not much incredibly unique about solar weather like this that wouldn't apply to a general electrical catastrophe from an intentional EMP. There's a chance of getting some notice notice, but the practical effects of that will be slim other than telling anyone with a Faraday Cage to close and everyone else to attempt to power everything down first.
Whether it's a rogue state exploding a few nukes in space over the US (no targetting needed, just fire it up from a shipping container at set it to explode about 100mi high), or the Sun taking it out, the end is the same... pretty complete collapse of infrastructure everywhere at once. Think Katrina, but simultaneously across the county. What infrastructure remains working probably won't stay functioning for long with all of the other issues going on...
The logistics of rebuilding will be immense and measured in years, and that's assuming we have enough working equipment after that to "reboot civilization", as it were, and some other -- better equipped -- country with a few working jets doesn't decide to take advantage of things. The military will have properly shielded equipment in many cases, but it's an open question how long and in what way a chain of command can survive when disconnection is universal and recovery is years away.
The rural areas will be survivable; the coastal cities and anywhere where survival depends on electricity and food transportation logistics will not be.
The book One Second After is a decent look at what it might be like, although I have faith that there will be more HAMs than he seems to think who might be able to help with long distance communication in the aftermath. Or you could just watch reruns of Revolution and ignore the mystical nanite techno-babble and focus on the sociology of the collapse.
Hire a Linux system administrator, systems engineer,
Um ... both of those were more than a thousand years ago.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the 1192 event. (Note that there's rebuttal to some things mentioned in that paper.)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Push new cost to the private sector? With the issues of coal, consumers buying solar panels, nuclear interests and just looking after the grid..
Who will pay for the grid upgrades? All tax payers? Each grid passes on a new upgrade tax to the consumers as a new basic connection cost?
The option to just "discuss space weather preparedness" or "raise awareness" will not upgrade the networks.
How much free cash is floating around for extra utility bill pressure to redesign the grid?
Pass on to much cost at the utility side and solar panels becomes more attractive in some States.
The "planning and decision" seems more like what to do after an event. Disaster response and recovery is a camp for the poor inner city populations?
Is it cheaper just to have food, water, on standby from private sector contractors than to pass on grid upgrade costs?
Create some new free State of National Emergency laws or demand new funds to invest in the grid?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
1. Run!
2. Hide!
3. Panic!
4. Try the above in a different order.
Table-ized A.I.
....Mein Fuhrer......**I can walk!!!**
The only reason massive solar flares damage things is because we have millions of miles of wires stretched across entire continents acting like massive antennas
All electrical circuits are also antenna with a large enough power source "transmitting", and a Carrington level CME or larger is absolutely strong enough to affect individual electrical components.
Funny you should mention tin foil, because with some warning you could save a lot of stuff with a few layers of plastic alternating with aluminum foil, then sealed totally shut.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Its not a plan unless they have a budget.
Perhaps the Feds should figure out what to do in case of catastrophic irrelevance, political expedience, and an inability of government to do anything according to plan or commitment to the desired outcome. Its another attempt at "set it and forget it" disaster preparedness that serves to do little in case of emergencies.
But it's a start.
I'm less concerned about the threats from outer space than I am about the catastrophe we will cause ourselves.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
The worst case scenario is having a massive solar flare hit earth in the middle of a geomagnetic reversal when the Earth could have multiple north and south poles. Any area near one of those poles will find themselves even more vulnerable to the energetic particles from the flare.
"Remember, during Katrina, Sandy, and other disasters, no other country offered aid to the US (which is ironic because the US spends a lot of cash on aiding other nations)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
Some of them even have their own extensive wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
Wow, looks like the whole world tried to help you out. People, money, equipment, doctors, emergency shelter and supplies! Of course the irony is with a solar flare event, most of the world will be hit. So they won't be able to help you out either.
I do find Americans responses to disasters interesting. In many countries, it brings people together, often in the US (or at least some parts) it drives the nation apart.
Develop field hospitals, bunkhouses, feeding centers, rescue bases, and other disaster handling gear designed as modules all in the standard 2TEU long freight container size. Store them in unused corners of military bases around the country. Make retainer arrangements with a well-distributed number of long-haul truckers such that when disaster occurs truckers who happen to be properly situated at the time will drive to a designated base, exchange their current load for a specified FEMA module, and haul it to the disaster zone. Meanwhile, their regular trailer is waiting at the pickup base under military protection for the duration.
For overseas needs, using the standard container size would allow modules to be carried by ship and rail anywhere in the world.
Take a moment to review NERC EOP-005-2: System Restoration from Blackstart Resources. If you live in North America, plans described in this document are your only real line of defense from the chaos and harm that may arise from grid-down disaster. Here is a peek at some software tools used by the industry and Black Start specific enhancements in progress [2013].
Note that NERC's Compliance and Enforcement process is voluntary. This means no one's going to jail for failure to implement these measures... and there are many in the industry who prefer it that way. We have witnessed the growth of the Department of Homeland Security way past its original mandate. Indeed there is a slow motion power grab in progress.
If you distrust large corporations and the consortiums they form then you're already suspicious. But few can argue that the grid is not resilient or well designed. In most cases frequency and voltage give operators all the feedback they need. But it has not ever been shut off completely, and the electrical equivalent of post-9/11 'ground stop' is neither practical nor possible to test black start capability... NERC does do regular computer simulations of country-wide restarts.
So if you are fortunate to live near one of the ~7,304 operational power plants in the United States (for example) and know some people who work there, you might pose these questions:
Has your plant participated in EOP-005 drills?
Has there ever been a country or region-wide drill where procedures are acted out in real time?
Do you feel the time presently devoted to this scenario is adequate, and plans are in place?
Do you have confidence that the grid could be restarted successfully?
Are there any 'old school' approaches to this problem you feel are not addressed or trained adequately?
To what extent are these black start procedures reliant on computers and functional computer networks?
What kinds of grid-wide inter-plant communications are in place for coordination when the grid is down?
Would any coordination efforts rely on carrier networks (telephone, cell, Internet) being up?
The very first BBC episode of Connections The Trigger Effect explores how we have become reliant on modern technology without needing to understand its intricacies, and uses the Northeast Blackout on November 9, 1965 and peoples' reactions to illustrate this.
If Black Start should fail or become delayed indefinitely, National Geographic: American Blackout is a documentary that dramatically explores effects of an extended grid outage. It is a tame outage -- no Winter freeze or volcanic ash --- with cyberattack as its rather specious scenario. At present the operational controls of power plants are diverse and there is a great deal of manual control, and a coordinated attack could only target the grid monitoring systems and communications between plants.
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I used to work at Bell Labs, in a department that had a bunch of nuclear physicists doing research into EMP, because the government wanted studies about hardening their networks in case of nuclear war, and a big thing that influenced them was a telco cable that crashed during a mid-1970s solar flare. It was back when long-haul cable systems were still copper, before fiber had replaced them, and a few hundred miles of copper wire becomes a very big antenna if you hit it with enough of a magnetic field, and there's enough voltage difference between it and ground to fry the equipment at both ends. They had a huge amount of data to work with, and they also studied the effects of EMP on various pieces of equipment, and ways to design the networks to be resilient against suddenly getting big holes in it.
Fiber optics helps with a lot of this (but obviously that doesn't help the electric companies.) On the other hand, during the 60s and 70s, the phone networks were changing from electromechanical phone switches like relays and crossbars, which were easy to protect, to transistors and integrated circuits that just aren't, and you're not going to put it all in Faraday cages, especially these days when there's no longer a Soviet Union that's likely to nuke the US. And the Bell System divestiture meant that a lot of the interconnections between local telco switches were no longer available to act as backups for the now-multiple long-distance companies, but the switching logic was starting to get smarter so there were more option for rerouting traffic than with the older dumber switches. Lots of change, and then all this Internet stuff happened.
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What the hell are they intending to do with them?
At the bottom of the
Peter Quill: I have a plan.
Rocket Raccoon: You've got a plan? Okay, first of all, you're copying me from when I said I had a plan.
Peter Quill: I'm not copying you, I have a plan, that's not that unique of a thing to say.
Rocket Raccoon: And secondly, I don't think you even have a plan.
Peter Quill: I have part of a plan.
Drax the Destroyer: What percentage of a plan do you have?
Gamora: You don't get to ask questions after the nonsense you pulled on Knowhere!
Drax the Destroyer: I just saved Quill!
Peter Quill: We've already established that you destroying the ship I'm on is not saving me!
Drax the Destroyer: When did we establish that?
Peter Quill: Like three seconds ago!
Drax the Destroyer: Well I wasn't listening then, I was thinking of something else...
Rocket Raccoon: She's right, you don't get an opinion... What percentage?
Peter Quill: I dunno... Twelve percent?
Rocket Raccoon: Twelve percent?
[starts laughing]
Peter Quill: That's a fake laugh.
Rocket Raccoon: It's real!
Peter Quill: Totally fake!
Rocket Raccoon: That is the most real, authentic, hysterical laugh of my entire life because THAT IS NOT A PLAN!
Gamora: It's barely a concept.
Peter Quill: [to Gamora] You're taking their side?
Groot: I am Groot.
Rocket Raccoon: So what, "It's better than eleven percent!" What the hell does that have to do with anything?
If news leaks out before the event there will be Panic Buying which will turn a few hours of physical disruption with say a 10% overall infrastructure failures for a few days, into a maelstrom of stockpile madness. How will the repair trucks get their fuel when it's all been bought by consumers?
The telecoms used by telecoms repairers to order parts etc is a 'how does the snowplough driver get to work' problem.
100% grade A baloney. This entire post is a radical survivalist's fantasy of what they think should have happened after a national-scale natural disaster, and bears no resemblance to what actually did happen. During the Sandy situation citizens of the New York City region showed for the second time in 14 years that they are far more resilient and cooperative than the average American. "+4 Interesting" - sheesh.
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Rubbish. I gave aid myself for Katrina, and I'm in the UK. Other countries most certainly did offer aid.
I live about 50 miles by road south of NYC. Closer as the crow flies. Nothing like this happened for Sandy (or Irene the year before). If anything, the event brought people closer together. Functioning power and cell phones were rare for a couple weeks, and gas got scarce fast (mostly due to lack of power for pumps). But we had a notable lack of marauders, and the neighbors showed a very strong preference for canned food over eating each other. People shared and generally acted like a right-wingers nightmare, coming together as a community to get through it together.
E pluribus unum
Nope, it's still wingnut.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
100% grade A baloney. This entire post is a radical survivalist's fantasy of what they think should have happened after a national-scale natural disaster, and bears no resemblance to what actually did happen.
Yup. The prepper group is always projecting their lack of civilization onto others. But time and time again it's been proven that people don't act the way he thinks they will when the shit hits the fan.
Mad Max was a fun film and all, but it wasn't a documentary or a how-to.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Which farms did NYC people rob? I live in NYC. Except for a few areas (the Rockaways, Coney Island, Staten Island) NYC was not hit hard. And even in those areas things didn't break down to the level you're making it out to be. It was an adventure. There was water. There was food. There were good people helping out their neighbors.
Things did not fall apart. The center did hold.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
An EMP, whether from the sun or a hostile act, will make Sandy look like a Sunday School picnic.
The mother of all riots like in Asimovs Nightfall.
I, for one, welcome our new Jewish Overlords.
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The feds have always had a plan. It's crawl into a bunker and let everyone else die. It's called stick head in sand and hold their breath. It's called name-call the bearer of bad news. It's called BS their way out of the discussion. It's called lie like a big dog. It's called oo oo a new way to scam money to our friends. You actually believe people who paid 43 million dollars for a gas station in Afghanistan? So what's new?
wake up and hold your nose
Ham Radio will save us all. Not. Well, at least, I have a full boat anchor station (all vacuum state - tubes) which should survive an event. The problem is that the station hardly survives a single use, when I have to go and find out what broke again. But that is me. What about everyone else? And what about food and water? Oh well.
You can only be young once. But you can always be immature.
I live out in the sticks. When SHTF, well, we have a plan. They can all come to my house, or me to their house, and enjoy each other's company. It kind of helps that I'm in an unincorporated township - some 24 miles from even a small village and hundreds of miles from a real city. I've got enough supplies stored away, including licensed fuel tanks and a couple of hand pumps, so that I'll be inconvenienced but not really at risk. My neighbors probably all have similar and we'll be just fine. Hell, I've got radio equipment and enough hardware to make our own small internet. Somewhere, in the basement, I have an inbound call router - we'll be okay. :D
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I've been in a variety of natural disaster type things and even in a few countries with active wars taking place. This sort of movie script breakdown of society is, pretty much, the exact opposite of what I have personally witnessed. Maybe I'm missing something? Maybe they're just projecting what they'd do. Maybe I've never been in a situation bad enough for that to happen? I dunno...
I was stuck in an ice storm that took out power for over two weeks. I ate a lot of acid, drank some, and had a hell of a time. I had to risk using a hammer to get into my car and driving was absolutely hilarious. I couldn't get all the way to the airport to fly back home, I sure as hell wasn't going to try to drive, and I just hunkered down with the friends I was visiting and used it as an excuse to get wasted.
Up home, we regularly get power outages, extended ones, and floods and blizzards. I've seen people canoe down Main Street while I was eating in a diner that was surrounded by water - I had to hop over water to get inside. If we get a blizzard then we hop on a snowmobile and go to town that way or just hunker down. During the rest of the year, we'll take a four wheeler out and bring a chainsaw with us to clear the roads so traffic can get through. Hell, they'll let us clear the roads alongside the power company - they'll tell us when it's safe to cut.
I find disasters or a good crisis will being out the best in people. It's not like a bunch of marauders are going to take on a few people, who are likely carrying a sidearm, in hopes of acquiring a can of tuna that would otherwise be given happily. Hell, some of my neighbors have equipment that's still able to be drawn by a horse so they could still keep fields mowed, cows fed, and make booze.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Aww! What a nice thing to say! You're so sweet!
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The really interesting thing that never fails to amuse me is how important people like you are to the success of the Jewish World Domination plan. Without people such as yourselves that shout the conspiracy everywhere and discredit the whole notion of a International Zionist Conspiracy, it would be much more likely that people would believe such a conspiracy exists.
I'm sure the Head Jew will be pinning a medal to you when they achieve final victory.
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I've been in a variety of natural disaster type things and even in a few countries with active wars taking place. This sort of movie script breakdown of society is, pretty much, the exact opposite of what I have personally witnessed.
The version of societal breakdown they have is one that they actually want to happen, as opposed to what actually happens.
If the prepper's wishes were what actually would happen, immediately after Germany's surrender as well as after Japan's surrender in world war 2, the populous would just have taken up a new war against the allies, and then themselves. That had to be as close to a total breakdown as ever happened in modern times.
In the end, people do tend to help each other in disasters, and make no mistake about it, I'm a cynical shit who thinks our propensity towards killing each other may cause our extinction.
But the preppers? Too bad it was from a movie and not a real life quote, but for my money, Michale Cain had the single best line in history. And it describes the preppers so well:
. ...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
It's my experience that the ego-fueled and selfish are quickly marginalized. I imagine that, in a real crisis, they're be quickly dealt with in one way or another. I really think it might be projection. They seem to inclined to think that others will be as selfish as they are. Another part may be ego. They seem inclined to think that they can make a go of it on their own and be successful. That might be true, in some cases. I suspect it's not true for any more than a rounding error's worth of the people who self-identify as preppers.
Me? I'll be fine. I'm prepared but I also have a great relationship with friends and family. My neighbors are all friends, as well. It's not so much that "I will be fine" but that "we will be fine." Combined we've enough skills and resources so that one need only marginal preparation efforts. We hunt, we grow, we preserve. We may be a little hungry, at first, but we've enough to survive and get through quite a bit - even in very hard situations. Hell, I have one neighbor who has no indoor plumbing and no mains electricity. They may not even notice for quite some time, unless we go check on them.
Then again, my living situation isn't really all that normal. So, there's that. We don't even have a town office. We don't even have a town. We're in an unincorporated township - there are six houses and an equal number of camps. Assuming we go a minute without losing internet (many of use have alternative power sources) we might not actually notice some events. I've solar and wind. If the power goes out, it's all automatic and I don't notice anything at all. It just means that I'm not pushing anything out to the mains - I now generate more than I use.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
You did it! You got him to post ALL the conspiracy theories (even contrails, lol) AND tie them all to jews.
Jewtroll tears are delicious! They're almost as tasty as fagtroll tears.
Really, he made it too easy. He practically did my job for me. The HeadJew will be promoting me soon for sure! I guess now that this minion has served his purpose, it's time to file form JEW-WorldDom-NP-837 and have his nanoparticles activated and erase his memory.
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Wtf man... do I go throwing rocks into your fishing hole???
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Was hoping for cows. Left disappointed.
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
Really, he made it too easy. He practically did my job for me. The HeadJew will be promoting me soon for sure! I guess now that this minion has served his purpose, it's time to file form JEW-WorldDom-NP-837 and have his nanoparticles activated and erase his memory.
Man, I've really been missing out! Now I really want to meet the HeadJew. I had no idea those guys got so much STUFF done! I mean, damn. They really are the Master Race.