The Return of OS/2 Warp Set For 2016 (techrepublic.com)
An anonymous reader writes: We all know the ill-fated history of IBM's OS/2 Warp, while some others may not know about the first OS/2-OEM distribution called eComStation. Now a new company called Arca Noae, not happy with the results of this last distribution, has signed an agreement with IBM to create a new OS/2 version. They announced a new OS, codenamed "Blue Lion," at Warpstock 2015 this last October; this will be based on OS/2 Warp 4.52 and the SMP kernel. The OS/2 community has taken this news with positivism and the OS2World community is now requesting everybody that has developed for OS/2 on the past to open source their source code to collaborate.
>> The OS/2 community has taken this news with positivism
WTF is "positivism"? It sounds like a drug advertised during football games.
I never used anything past Warp 3, but it was great running Win 3 software alongside OS/2. This was also stated as its biggest downfall, although this is really overplayed. I don't think any party not inclined to develop for OS/2 was influenced by this at all.
The DOS compatibility was exceptional.
Wine is really good now. I don't see this impacting Linux development in the slightest.
Draconic, fascist Windows 10 comes out and Microsoft proceeds to try to force it down everyone's throat, and out of left field comes, after what seems like a geologic age, a new version of OS/2. Wow. Not sure what to think of that timing.
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I remember 2.0 back in about 92 or 93 and it was alright but not really special. And then it pretty much died. I can't imagine there are any significant projects still using it. Though I'll probably be told about several who never gave up on it. After all, there are still projects running Motif...
It's some very nuanced shit somewhere between nouveau-modernism and post-primitive relativism that is popular in New York. It has to be viewed through thick black glasses while sipping PBR and smoking American Spirits.
I'd tell you more about the movement, but at 42, I can't skateboard as fast as I used too.
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Cool! Hopefully they change the interface to a more modern one. Because no matter how good the underlying kernel and system is, it will totally ruin the overall experience for sure.
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
The release is probably mostly for embedded use where OS/2 had quite some use since it was so much better and stable than contemporary MS Windows.
I quite liked OS/2 in its time and found it very superior to contemporary Windows versions.
I work for one of the big three car companies, and OS/2 Warp was just recently retired. It may still be in use at a few plants for specific tasks though. PC-DOS is still going strong though.
RTFA, this isn't IBM releasing a new version of OS/2, it's a small company that has gotten a license for OS/2 and is making a release. OS/2 is still as dead as it has been for years.
if the production value of the YouTube announcement linked to above is any indication, this is a tiny company run by people who are a little out of touch with current tech.
The deposition and testimony provided by Garry Norris - IBM's chief negotiator with Microsoft before and after the introduction of Windows 95 - has provided a cornucopia of fascinating evidence in the Microsoft trial. Much of it was previously unknown or unconfirmed. His evidence showed how Microsoft effectively controlled IBM's PC hardware and software businesses by making the price of Windows considerably higher than for other comparable PC makers. Mr Norris described in detail to Philip Malone, counsel for the Department of Justice, five cases where Microsoft had succeeded in modifying, or had attempted to influence, IBM's choice of ...
Yeah, I'm not sure what the point of OS/2 would be at this time. It's straight from the days of Windows 3.1 and maybe Win95.
If you want an alternative to Windows 10, we already have many Linux distros. OS/2 was nice in its day, but it's not going to provide support for modern hardware, or a reasonably modern user interface.
>> where is the OS for the Transgendered African-American-Polynesian Differently-abled community?
I thought that was Ubuntu. Remember the "Nongendered Noncontinental Nubian" release (v11.31)?
Started my career with OS/2, and IBM's C++ compiler. Worked on some really nice systems in the 90s that used OS/2: automated trains, banking systems, robotics. But I was burned by IBM: first when they killed OS/2, then when they killed off OCL and their C++ suite for both Windows and OS/2. Jumped to linux in 2001 and haven't looked back since. But lesson learned: I'd have a hard time trusting an IBM OS or compiler suite.
What does bringing back OS/2 do today? Nothing. It would need something really innovative to make it worthwhile again. E.g., let it run Linux binaries and Win64 .exe files? Having some kind of package translation layer that allows people to install .rpm or .deb files to take advantage of existing Linux repos and software?
It is unfortunate that IBM gave up on both OS/2 and OCL/Visual C++ when they did. But "OS/2" is now 15-20 years behind the curve. Go ahead and make it available as a toy to remember the old days if you must, but I suspect it would take non-trivial development investments to re-awaken it.
I think that's exactly how they upload their stories.
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Even OS X has become bloated in the last few updates. I think the last true great one was Snow Leopard, maybe Mountain Lion.
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What about BeOS/Haiku?
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. I don't have that much time to spend just getting my system working.
Try switching to Linux Mint. I recommend the KDE version, but if you don't like that, there's 3 other variants: Xcfe, MATE, and Cinnamon.
There's a lot more distros out there than just Debian and Gentoo.
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OS/2 (actually eCS+Arca Noae latest) will install and run on some modern hardware. Being 1990's tech it does have limits, needs to see a BIOS and only supports up to 2TB drives (plan is to split larger drives into virtual drives), no video acceleration, no USB3 currently, shitty wireless support, sound supported by an Alsa port, printing limited to CUPs, any memory over 3.5GBs only usable as a RAM disk, limit of 64 cores (only licensed for one physical CPU)
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July 1991: 'SteveB went on the road to see the top weeklies, industry analysts. The meetings included demos of Windows 3.1 (pen and multimedia included), Windows NT, OS/2 2.0 including a performance comparison to Windows and a "bad app" that corrupted other applications and crashed the system".'
'The demos of OS/2 were excellent, crashing the system had the intended effect -- to FUD OS/2 2.0. People paid attention to this demo and were often suprised to our favor. Steve positioned it as -- OS/2 is not "bad" but from a performance and "robustness" standpoint, it is NOT better than Windows.' ref
The kernel is outdated, but Arca Noae has released a lot of improved drivers, patches for ACPI, USB drivers (see the various updates) so it's not so dead as you think it is.
"Fix it? It has been disintegrated, by definition it cannot be fixed!" - Gru in Despicable Me.
As with DOS, IBM contracted with Microsoft to develop OS/2, so it actually started off as Microsoft's code. Both partners were on board for a while and told the entire industry DOS (a CLI running programs in real mode) was going to be replaced by OS/2 (a GUI though it could run DOS in a window using the 80286's protected mode, so a crashed DOS app wouldn't hang the entire computer), so a lot of companies began porting their software over to OS/2.
Then there was some sort of falling out. Most people point the finger at Microsoft because Microsoft stopped talking about OS/2 and started talking about Windows (a GUI which ran on DOS). That's why early versions of Windows had a terrible reputation for crashing - because it ran on top of DOS, any app which crashed could hang the entire OS. You would typically have to reboot the computer 2-3 times a day, losing all your unsaved work each tine. This remained true all the way up to Windows ME. By Windows 3.0, Microsoft was completely pushing Windows and not OS/2. IBM wasn't happy but the contract called for Microsoft to do OS/2 development, so IBM couldn't take over or hire another company to do it. They negotiated to take over the project from Microsoft.
Because the then-current version of Windows was built with the same GUI elements IBM had established after a lot of usability R&D (IBM's Common User Access), IBM also got rights to Windows 3.x's code. That's what allowed them to include a copy of Windows in OS/2 3.0. They just modified Windows to run on the version of DOS running in OS/2's DOS box, instead of MS-DOS. It's also one of the reasons Microsoft really pushed to release Windows 95 in 1995 (it was code-named Chicago, and the joke was that Gates made the official name Windows 95 instead of Windows 4.0 to force his developers to release it in 1995). The terms of the split only gave IBM access to Windows 3.x code, so it was important for Microsoft to push the next version of Windows out there. Starting with Win95, Microsoft played a cat and mouse game making changes to prevent it from running in an OS/2 DOS box (or on DR-DOS).
NT was a separate project within Microsoft (built like OS/2 to not run programs in x86 real mode like DOS did), which had been on the back burner. Once they formalized their split with IBM, they began working on it in earnest, merging its API with Windows 9x. There were earlier enterprise-only releases, but the first real commercial release was Windows 2000 (in parallel with Windows ME). It's the foundation for the current versions of Windows.
Incidentally, the switcheroo between OS/2 and Windows ended up really helping Microsoft. Both IBM and Microsoft stressed that OS/2 was the future, so a lot of software companies which dominated DOS (e.g. WordPerfect, Lotus) invested a lot in porting their software to OS/2. When Microsoft switched gears and told them to develop for Windows version instead, these companies felt they'd been lied to and balked. They either made a half-hearted attempt to port to Windows, or put it off for a year or more. That time gap is what allowed Microsoft to swoop in and take over the office suite market on Windows with Microsoft Office. And thus began the early calls for an anti-trust investigation of Microsoft (which really swung into high gear when Microsoft tried to take over the web browser market by including it in Windows for free, essentially destroying the profit model for any competitor making a browser).
Arca Noae just posted his formal announcement about the project: https://www.arcanoae.com/blue-...
The AC has it right. First there was a Russian company (forget the name) contracted to write a virtual machine to run OS/2. Eventually that became Parallels for OSX. Then Innotek partnered with Connectivx to add OS/2 support to Virtual PC and port Virtual PC to OS/2. No sooner then they did this, that MS bought Connectivx and killed the OS/2 port. Then Innotek wrote VirtualBox, based partially on QEMU and released it as GPL (probably had to as it used GPL source) with propriety additions for things like USB support. Sun bought Innotek and Oracle bought Sun.
The hard part of virtualizing OS/2 was that the DOS drivers ran in ring 2, which allowed DOS device drivers to work under OS/2. OS/2 even allows any version of DOS to run in a VDM.
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