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Anonymous Says US Senators Were 'Incorrectly Outed' As KKK Members

Dave Knott writes: Nine names, 23 email addresses and 57 unlabelled phone numbers were published by hackers last weekend as part of an Anonymous-organized effort to "unhood" members of the Ku Klux Klan. There are doubts, however, about the Operation KKK data dump's veracity — and about one file, in particular, that alleges four U.S. senators and five mayors have hate group associations. The questionable data was released on PasteBin by an individual called Amped Attacks, who has now distanced himself from Anonymous, stating "i am not apart of anonymous nor have i ever claimed to be. i am my own man that acts on my own accord. i do however respect #OpKKK." To clarify the situation, Anonymous took to Twitter on Tuesday evening to state that "the twitter account that released the pastebin with the government officials that are clearly not KKK". Meanwhile, the Anonymous members behind Operation KKK say that "the actual release for Operation KKK will be 5 Nov." This is of course a date that has no small significance for Anonymous.

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  1. Gay Kay Kay? by Shoten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed that something seemed off about this...since they said the mayor of Lexington, KY (Jim Gray) was a member of the KKK. Jim Gray is gay, and came out long ago; I would believe that you'd lose your membership in the KKK once you announce in a very public manner that you're gay.

    On the other hand, it definitely gives a new aspect to the notion of being "outed".

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    1. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I live in Lexington, KY, and was saddened to see Mayor Jim Gray name on the list. The Mayor was forced to release a public statement denying the allegations. I may be stretching into hyperbole a bit here, but this is one of the result of McCarthyism: by merely being accused of association, the court of public opinion will judge that person guilty quickly-- even if investigation reveals no ties to said association. People's professional and personal lives are ruined by stuff like this if it gets too much momentum and oxygen.

      Anyone with common sense would realize that Mayor Gray sexual orientation conflicts with that preferred by the KKK, which would preclude him from ever gaining membership in a group like them. Which makes it even more ridiculous that Mayor Gray had to release a public statement-- it's a shame it is even necessary.

      The KKK has a hateful, narrow world view that is incompatible with who our mayor is. The KKK is anti-anything-not-WASSP (White Anglo Saxon Straight Protestant), and explicitly so. Mayor Gray is gay and out, and for those who know him personally or his public record, he hasn't an ounce of the racism that beats in the dark, angry hearts of KKK members. Gray doesn't sound like someone the KKK is looking to have among its ranks.

      My goal isn't to sound like a staffer or loyal ally defending the mayor (despite the fact that I voted him.) The point is that there are a lot of idiots out there who believe these click-baitey releases and will swallow it whole without thinking. This is real; I heard small talk in line at the store this morning regarding it. There is enough general ignorance out there to make this a problem, and again: think McCarthyism. While this isn't the same as a powerful institution or individual from the establishment perpetuating it, the modern era of the internet can make us similar all victims.

    2. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Sane Christians

      Uh huh, tell us more about them.

    3. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see what it has to do with McCarthyism.

      They are comparing the use of the word "communist" with the use of the word "racist" in order to destroy someone's credibility. Whether or not that person has anything to do with those words, being publicly associated with them is not good for your image.

    4. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have anything to do with it. He was comparing the reactionary response of "kill em with fire" that would occur when someone was outed as a "communist", which is what will happen here if this release gets enough attention.

    5. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We should call them what they are, "Christian extremists" not "far-right-wing Christian".

    6. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't see what it has to do with McCarthyism.

      Well, the poster did say that it was stretching into hyperbole a bit. OP probably should have said the whole thing was "like" McCarthyism. OP seems to be pretty clear at the end that "this isn't the same as a powerful institution or individual from the establishment perpetuating it", but I can see that the post could have been a little more concise.

      I'm on board with OP in the sense that s/he says that this press release, that any press release like this, has the potential to do a lot of damage to people's reputations. That was one of the McCarthy things, you know-- mere association would kill your public life.

      Of course, historically speaking, McCarthyism was much more than that, but again-- OP seems to make a point, even if s/he is using a little hyperbole to get there.

      I don't see what the problem is.

    7. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      My public statement on the matter would read:

      Members of the press, general public and constituents, journalists, friends, and Anonymous:

      A list has been released that names me as a member of a well-known racist organization. Some of you may be likely to believe this because the news media reported on this story.

      Fucking prove it.

      This is the end of my statement. Questions may be directed to my inbox at: Nofuckyou (all one word) @ thisisbullshit.com

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    8. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why should he need to? You interact with them all the time.

    9. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by gnaarly · · Score: 1

      Just like anti-racists are the most hateful racists because they repress these feelings within themselves?

    10. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I may be stretching into hyperbole a bit here, but this is one of the result of McCarthyism: by merely being accused of association, the court of public opinion will judge that person guilty quickly-- even if investigation reveals no ties to said association.

      Pretty much every reasonable news site/blog/facebook wall/etc that I've seen has done pretty much the opposite with the list. They've pointed out the several names that are almost definitely not KKK members and questioning the legitimacy of the entire list as a result.

    11. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      i guess he is referring to Ted Haggard et al

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    12. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      no true scotsman eh?

      you can't pick and choose membership

    13. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, it does explain most social justice warriors... ;)

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    14. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You have my vote!

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    15. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by meerling · · Score: 1

      Actually when to be a member of the group, you have a clearly defined set of rules for allowed and forbidden actions and that anyone who violates those is no longer and actual member despite what they personally might claim, such as in a religion, if there is someone that doesn't abide by those same rules, and yet claims to be one of them, they are in fact, not a true [whatever].
      So the whole 'No True Scotsman' thing doesn't apply, especially since to be a Scotsman, the requirement is mostly to be born in Scotland, or possibly to have Scottish parents, neither of which is true with religions, though adolescent indoctrination does play a large part of continued membership, or at least claims of membership.

    16. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      sounds likd you've stumbled on the "name a falacy falacy", which is a good way to avoid understanding the argument.

      Can you remain a law-abiding citizen while robbing a bank? answer: no, because the act of robbing a bank causes you to cease being a law-abiding citizen.

      A Christian is someone who accepts Jesus as their boss. The only response to disobeying the boss that allows you to retain them as boss, is repentance (which means turning around and ceasing the disobedient behaviour).

      So, for a bank robber to regain the status of law-abiding-citizen requires a turning away from robbing banks (and dealing with prior bank robbing behaviour appropriately) - but do you see how the behaviour can be at fundamental odds with a claimed status?

      Nationality, by contrast is unconnected with behaviour, which is why it is a falacy to say no "true" [person of some nationality] would do this or that. Because doing this or that is not connected with the definition of what it means to have a nationality, which is not true for a claim of Christianity.

    17. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      no true scotsman more along the lines of redefining the group to exclude those specific examples you take issue with.

      christians doesn't commit murder.
      what about ireland?
      no true christian commits murder.

      more important than what your definition and bounds of christianity, or group is. is what their definition and bounds of a group are. They self-identify as christian, they self-identify as muslim. they self-identify as jewish, they are christian, muslim, jewish. You know how fractured christianity is?

      As I understand it, unless you're a catholic, christianity involves an incredibly personal and unique interpretation of the holy scriptures. Each person is to understand their relationship with God on their own terms and in their own way.

      In that case, the only way to count christians is literally to see if they themselves would call themselves christian.

    18. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by ememisya · · Score: 1

      They had me at terrorist.

    19. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      self-identification is inadequate. Many people self-identify as Christian without any understanding of what that means - largely because (until fairly recently) the term "Christian" was used as a synonym for "a good person" - and this is largely a result of at least 1500-1800 years of Christianity dominating the mental thought-world of the West.

      It is for this reason, I have noted in a seperate post - that KKK and their ill are properly categorised as heretics, since their beliefs and behaviours and teachings are profoundly at odds with the official teachings of every major branch of the Christian church, including Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, and a host of others. About the only persons self-identifying as "Christian" who have any time at all for the KKK are small groups of Americans (mostly from very small sects even within America) who are not at all representative of the bulk of world-wide Christians (not-withstanding the American tendency to think of themselves as normative in any given arena)

    20. Re: Gay Kay Kay? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      No TRUE Scotsman was born in and lived their whole lives in Sub-Saharan Africa. You don't get to accept Idi Amin's membership.

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    21. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm running for office in Maine in 2016. I was kind of hoping I'd see my name on this list. It'd get me some free publicity! It would most amusing, as well, because I'm partially black (as mentioned in the other thread about this subject). I do not see my name on the list.

      As an aside, what's amusing is your method of campaigning actually closely mirrors my own though I'm still having the documentation worked on. (Again, drawing on memory of the last thread on this subject.)

      Anyhow, can't stop now! I'm late for my Klan meeting!

      I do wonder if I could sue the Klan to make them let me in. It'd probably make all sorts of people hate me but it would be kind of funny. Can't have them racially discrimination now, can we? They must let in the white/native/black man that actually looks Asian! Ah... Trolling for fun and profit! It's kind of tempting. I wonder if the ACLU will help me out? Maybe NAACP will help me get the word out with my plight and misfortune.

      I imagine that they'd just ignore me and call me an Uncle Tom or a House Nigger. *sighs* Where's the lulz in that?

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    22. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      And my ax!

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    23. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Having a deranged stalker is awesome! I don't think I've ever had quite this much power over a complete stranger before.

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    24. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Oh, wow, modded down. Got 'im now.

      I bet you'll be given the keys to the city for your acts of sheer heroism.

      Tell me truly, what's it feel like to be braver than the average two-toed sloth?

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    25. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Well of course those who form temporary associations within the shadowy smoke screen of 'Anonymous' do often follow up with proof, after allowing sufficient rope for the shame less denials. It is really much more fun that way, just when the denials and main stream media PR efforts are about to succeed, the hammer drops shattering the PR fabricated illusion. In fact the initial announcement often trigger insider accusation and exposure, people often get sick of carrying the water for other people's lies and get rich quick scams.

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    26. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Someone always comes along and fixes it. ;-) I've attracted a stalker - Matrix007 I think is their name. I've never quite had this much control over a random stranger before. I shall lord my power over them!!! They're gonna need an awful lot of mod points. I don't actually think they can damage my karma - even with a concerted effort. But, it is I who controls the situation and I demand they try.

      They might as well waste the points on me. I don't actually mind. 'Snot like I was doing anything important, or anything. Truth be told, it's kind of an ego boost. I've never managed to attract a stalker - and I've been visiting BBS, specifically the forums, since the 1980s. They also seem to think that I'm not being truthful, which is kind of amusing. It's the internet - it's the one place you can be completely honest and not really get too excited about people who dislike you or your opinion.

      I do actually have a story about axes (which is what I think irks them the most - the idea that someone's able to enjoy life and is willing to share it without a sense of importance and even fully disclosing their faults and frailties) but I think I'll save it for another day. The short version is that you can, legally, go wild boar hunting in Florida with pretty much any weapon you want. And that boars don't die easily.

      Ah well, this will give them something more to moderate down. I mean, hell, they can go for off-topic and at least be legitimate. 'Snot like I don't have karma to spare.

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    27. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Eh, sometimes I just like to taunt the ACs that do stuff like that.

      I know it's best to ignore them, but me being openly female, sometimes it's best to call people out on it when they think they're pissing in my cornflakes.

      That, and I just like being snarky.

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    28. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      That's why my approach to being slandered is "I'm in if you're in".

      Because if you show people that you're not afraid or mealy-mouthed about what people have to say about you, people are more likely to respect you even if they don't agree with you. Except for the ones that were looking for a reason to hate you anyway.

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    29. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Not a stalker. I just keep running into your posts full of lies and irrelevant anecdotes and have to call out your bullshit.

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    30. Re:Gay Kay Kay? by kmoser · · Score: 1

      We should call them what they are, "Christian extremists" not "far-right-wing Christian".

      Virtually all religion is extremism: to believe in a supernatural deity without any evidence is to practice extreme self-delusion.

  2. Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A fundamental problem I have with this, especially hacktivism in general, is that these people are doing things that they themselves wouldn't like the police to be doing. If you wouldn't support the police hacking into the systems of people saying things that are unpopular, then why would you support anonymous doing it? Likewise, DDoSing websites is censorship by every definition of the word, I don't care what purpose the website serves (be it commercial or not.)

    Maybe in some situations, censorship is acceptable in Europe, but not here, not with the first amendment.

    1. Re:Even if it is correct by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      What makes you think censorship is acceptable in Europe?

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    2. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are a lot of examples, such as it being illegal to bear a swaztika in Germany.

    3. Re:Even if it is correct by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The police have legal immunity for their crimes while being granted special powers to enable them to commit them and the first amendment only applies to government. Private citizens are granted protections in the Constitution not restrictions while the reverse is true of government. Officials acting in their public capacity do not have protections from the bill of rights as evidenced by the separation of church and state. It is illegal for a government official to bring their religion to their public office/function.

      A private citizen not only is granted no protections but must commit civil disobedience at great personal risk to protest for major changes and fight the protected and entrenched powers.

      There is no end to the list of things I'm perfectly okay with a private citizen doing while completely opposed to police/military/government doing.

    4. Re:Even if it is correct by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      And Britain's broad anti-slander/anti-libel laws.

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    5. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many people talk about the 1st in relation to the KKK. But also consider the 4th. You are basically taking it upon yourself to rifle thru their personal papers to dig up dirt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      In fact the 4th was designed to blunt exactly these sorts of lynch mob tactics under the color of law. We as a country used to take these things seriously. For example opening someones mail carries a massive penalty and fine.

      Exactly this. Unless hacktivists and hacktivist supporters think that it would be a good idea to one day give the police the ability to ignore the 4th, then they shouldn't do it either.

      In the case of ISIS, I can understand because they've already long since provided justification for doing this (which the 4th amendment specifies) but as for the KKK, with as much as I don't like them either, I don't see a justification for this.

    6. Re:Even if it is correct by Alumoi · · Score: 2

      USA you can post that you think Obama and his children are a bunch of racial slur, racial slur, racial slur, and nothing legally will happen to you.

      For now. Give it a couple of years and then we'll talk. Or not?

    7. Re:Even if it is correct by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And laws against encryption, where in the US encrypted speech is considered speech, and thus protected by the 1st Amendment.

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    8. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      In other words, if you say something that somebody doesn't like, it's acceptable for them to rummage through your computer and your house and air your dirty laundry to the public, just because they aren't the government? Because this is what you're advocating against the KKK. Sure, your unpopular opinion might be different, but other than that the circumstances are identical.

      Not only that, but the 4th amendment doesn't specify that the government isn't allowed to do it, that's only the first amendment.

    9. Re:Even if it is correct by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      There are even Nazi websites and a Nazi party in the US, and the government does nothing about it!
      That way there is only the citizenry's common sense to prevent the Nazi to grab power there!

      And surprisingly that hasn't backfired.
      yet...

      Probably because Nazis are the only group that virtually every non-member would unquestionably define as evil.

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    10. Re:Even if it is correct by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      ...where in the US encrypted speech is considered speech, and thus protected by the 1st Amendment.

      Sure it is. Tell it to the Boarder Patrol and TSA - if you want to lose your device (it happens all the time). Also a court can rule that you have to "surrender" your password, simply a fact. Of course you don't have to give up your passwords, nobody can "make" you to do what you don't want to do, though they can certainly put enough pressure on you to the point that you give it up.

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    11. Re:Even if it is correct by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      How is it any better than what the KKK does and did in the past?

      Is that a serious question? You can't think of ANY differences in their tactics? Dumping a list on pastebin = violent acts of murder, rape, and torture? Wow.

    12. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Which is why we hold them accountable when they do. Granted, the NSA hasn't been held accountable yet, I don't think that will last forever.

    13. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      There is a huge disconnect here, and while it is easy to describe this as simple hypocrisy, unless the KKK were implicated in some recent crimes, this is essentially thought policing.

      That's EXACTLY what it is.

    14. Re:Even if it is correct by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      In the US you either get censored or punished before you get the chance to speak.

      That's only if you are espousing opinions that go against the current liberal / WSJ political correctness group-think.

      If you even attempt to say something that differs from their opinions, you aren't merely argued with, you are shouted down and they try to prevent anything like that being said in public at all. Look at what's happening in our colleges....

      Anything not remotely "PC"..and you get shouted down at racist, or something "phobic" or the like.

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    15. Re:Even if it is correct by slew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In general, what you can take across a border is not the same as what you can do inside the border...
      (e.g., booze, guns, cigarettes, etc), why do you expect "encryption" or "munitions" (basically what encryption used to be classified as) to be any different?

      Stay inside, or stay outside...

    16. Re:Even if it is correct by slew · · Score: 1

      There are even Nazi websites and a Nazi party in the US, and the government does nothing about it!
      That way there is only the citizenry's common sense to prevent the Nazi to grab power there!

      And surprisingly that hasn't backfired.
      yet...

      Probably because Nazis are the only group that virtually every non-member would unquestionably define as evil.

      Or maybe because our constitution prevents naturalized citizens from Austria from becoming president (sorry Arnold ;^)

    17. Re: Even if it is correct by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      No, modern NAZI allies are just dumb. Complete idiots with zero chance of ever mattering. It's like advocating that the earth is flat. A troll deal. They do have some success in their trolling, though.

    18. Re:Even if it is correct by dywolf · · Score: 1

      your logic doesn't quite follow.

      case law is pretty clear that the 4th (indeed, the entirety of the Constitution) only applies to governmental entities, being a document concerning the governments relation to those under its authority.

      but, that doesn't automatically grant private non governmental entities the ability to tread where the government cannot, as there exist other laws that private citizens would be breaking in doing so.

      if I were to dig through your personal info in your private office to dig something up on you I would not be violating your 4th Amendment rights. A lawsuit against me for violating your 4th Amendment rights would have zero legal merit. I would however be violating various trespass, privacy, and property rights, rights not set out by the Constitution, but no less existent for that.

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    19. Re:Even if it is correct by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is the Wall Street Journal some kind of Political Correctness bible now?

      Or did you mean SJW (Social Justice Warrior).

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    20. Re:Even if it is correct by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      I think we can safely count Germany an exception. Yes, not every western democracy outlaws free association and free speech in this manner, but not every western democracy happens to be the country that started the two bloodiest wars in human history less than a century ago either. Sometimes, if you make it targeted enough, an exception or two might be understandable.

    21. Re:Even if it is correct by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Is the Wall Street Journal some kind of Political Correctness bible now?

      Or did you mean SJW (Social Justice Warrior).

      OOps...well, you know my motto:

      "Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!!!"

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    22. Re:Even if it is correct by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This is basically using shame to try to push your ways. How is it any better than what the KKK does and did in the past?

      Well, Anon doesn't really go around lynching people or catching people and killing them by dragging them behind a pickup truck. Umm... You seriously conflate the two groups based on one hyperbolic connection and determine them equal? That's *almost* as silly as saying that Uber's a proponent of civil rights (which has been argued) and equating them with Rosa Parks.

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    23. Re:Even if it is correct by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You've been here long enough. You know the rules. This here's Slashdot. The laws are what we say they are! That's why Reddit's censorship is illegal, copyright infringement doesn't deprive the owner of anything, the 2nd Amendment only protects militias, and anything violates the 4th even if it was done by Anonymous.

      Next thing we know, you'll be expecting us to read the articles and make informed, well-reasoned, logical posts! No, no sirree! This here's screech like a howler monkey and throw poop territory. And we like it!

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    24. Re:Even if it is correct by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Incite has a definition. It even has a legal definition. I am pretty sure, however distasteful, that this criteria has yet to be met. I've seen nary a single anon positing that one should engage in violence against any of these people. I also suspect that I'm closer, by loose definition, than you are in regards to these anons. That said, I've yet to see one anon suggesting violence against any of these people. They might be giggling, expecting someone to engage in violence but they're not suggesting it - no inciting there at all.

      If I say that AC is a bacon-hater who uses Windows ME and then list your address, it's still not inciting violence. Hell, even if I say I think you should die, it's not inciting violence. If I say that someone should go kill the bacon-hating, ME using, AC who lives at such-and-such address then, yes, that's inciting. If I say that I wish someone in the audience would kill you then that, too, is inciting violence.

      I am not a lawyer, I am certainly not your lawyer. This post, in no way, indicates an attorney/client relationship in any jurisdiction. Consult a legal professional before inciting violence.

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    25. Re:Even if it is correct by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about Anonymous or the KKK. I was speaking to the logical basis of the GP's argument that if you aren't okay with the police doing something you shouldn't be okay with a private citizen doing it.

      Laws are black and white, the real world is very very grey. If it weren't we wouldn't need courts and the constitution wouldn't guarantee the people the ultimate right to block injustice from all branches via the right to jury trial and their power to nullify the law if they feel it is the just thing in this particular case.

      All in all violating the privacy of a person and exposing they are a member of a club isn't a particularly harmful thing in and of itself. You aren't damaging someone's person or property. In a sense you are putting them up for a mass jury trial. I'm not saying someone doing something like this should not be charged and made to answer to a jury of their peers. I'm saying that someone trying to do good should be entitled to face a jury of their peers who have actually been informed of their right to nullify the law

      Can we condone this in every case? Absolutely not, which is why it is illegal. Is it sometimes necessary to break the law to prevent greater harm? Yes it is. This is the basis for police and military protections (which are not totally illegitimate just heavily abused and taken too far), the civil rights movement, and the fact that the very same IS a valid legal defense in the US and most states. For instance, in Florida medical marijuana was not legal last I checked but medical necessity was a valid legal defense against charges if you are arrested.

      Personally, I think that as with most legal charges it comes down to a few key points. Was the intent to prevent a greater evil? Was that evil something which carried a significant risk of harm to others? Was the action committed in this one particular instance the lesser evil? I do not decide, you do not decide, the government is most certainly barred from deciding. This is the entire purpose of juries and why their decisions do not set precedent. It isn't perfect but nullification is the only direct power given to the people. Any one of us has only 1/12 the power to do it in only a single instance but in our Constitutional government it is the people and not any branch of government that has the final say in what was or was not a crime.

      Ironically, many members of the KKK got away with crimes as a result of jury nullification in an overwhelmingly racist south. Judges have decided they can lie to juries on the topic, not only not informing of their power to nullify but actually telling them they are not allowed to judge the law. It's a blatant illegal judicial power grab but they found a really good excuse and stuck with it. The Constitution does not limit the basis on which juries may decide your fate and it does not empower judges to set aside jury verdicts, abuse procedural authority to declare mistrials to block nullification, or lie to jurors about it in their instruction. But when all their own peers are behind them, I guess judges don't sweat high treason against the people of the United States much.

    26. Re:Even if it is correct by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I'm not cool with anyone going through my mail. My concern about you doing it ranks somewhere below the government doing so.

      Of course why you were going through my mail is a factor as well. Was it to fix my corrupted mailbox file? Was it something that happened as part of an effort you sincerely believed would end all spam forever, end NSA abuses, destroy the copyright cartels? Or were you just hoping to find some nude pics of myself or my SO? Motive is a very big factor.

      There are definitely no shortage of things looking at email is the lesser evil compared to. Even if I'm not okay with it, that might well be because I'm up to the greater evil you are trying to prevent.

      See more here, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8271357&cid=50858789

    27. Re:Even if it is correct by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Under the law they should in fact be judged by a combination of the two. The absolute judgement by action ignoring mitigating intent is not an old man thing, it is the new thing. There is a reason murder charges come in multiple degrees.

      Ironically, it was largely members of the KKK being set free for hate crimes in the racist south that was used as the excuse for a massive power grab by the judicial and justification for lying to juries about their right to nullify the law where it's application was not just. For example, a judge will instruct jurors that they can not judge the law and therefore could not find you not guilty of assault charges in an instance where you tackled a man who mugging an elderly woman. The Constitution on the other hand empowers juries to do exactly that. Along with other little things like refusing to prosecute people who protest against the government or violated the "Snitch on your Neighbor Child Safety through Bread Tax and Exemptions to Unauthorized Systems Access Penalties for Copyright Cartels Puppy Love Act".

      Do what is right and the hell with the law. Then face a jury of your peers who are actually informed of their right to nullify and face their judgement. They have every right to both be opposed to hacking systems and feel your actions in this case were the lesser of two evils. Their decisions are one off and set no precedent.

    28. Re:Even if it is correct by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Haven't had mod points in about a month, used to often get 15, but I don't think that the 45 points that APK accuses me of are in any way possible, how could someone run enough accounts, and maintain positive Karma on all of them to have enough mod points to mod bomb a single person who posts near 100 comments in a day? I don't have enough time to keep up with everything on one account, let alone 10-20 I am being accused of running by a troll who shitposts constantly anything that mildly disagrees with him or points out flaws in his logic. I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK.

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    29. Re:Even if it is correct by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      There's a solution to that, you know.

      Don't say stupid stuff.

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    30. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      The concept of "encryption as munitions" concept fell apart when Phil Zimmerman made the point that he could print the PGP source code in a book and send it overseas. Politicians at the time didn't understand why code could be considered speech, until they realized that it could be in book form, which already had a long established first amendment protection.

    31. Re:Even if it is correct by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      No, you can't. For example, France is demanding that Twitter turn over information about people who tweeted "hate speech" so that it could prosecute them:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07...

      A tweet is nothing more than speech, and the "speech crimes" that France is pursuing were:

      - Anti-semitic comments
      - Holocaust denial (this is actually illegal throughout Europe, not just Germany)
      - Denigrating muslims

      Even if you call this one an exception, I can find countless others, and for practically every country in Europe.

    32. Re: Even if it is correct by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      OT...Did you know that Thomas Dolby (She Blinded Me with Science) is member 1 of the flat earth society?

    33. Re:Even if it is correct by slew · · Score: 1

      The concept of "encryption as munitions" concept fell apart when Phil Zimmerman made the point that he could print the PGP source code in a book and send it overseas. Politicians at the time didn't understand why code could be considered speech, until they realized that it could be in book form, which already had a long established first amendment protection.

      Historically, there has been a difference between *ideas* and *knowledge*. Back in the days, the engineering/practical knowledge on how to construct machines that performed encryption efficiently wasn't widely available, so restricting transportation of such machines or the practical knowledge on how to replicate such machines overseas was analogous to sending say high-speed centrifuges overseas today.

      As engineering knowledge becomes more pervasive, it makes less sense, and at some point in time you could send enough information to convey to another skilled party on the other side of the planet in a "tweet", you might wonder why it was ever like that, but that don't change the fact that it was at some point in time.

      This has less to do with free speech, but more about the dissemination of practical knowledge over time and attempting to restrict the flow to one parties advantage (as fleeting as it might seem retrospectively, a few years or so head start can make a big difference).

      As a perhaps less controversial example, glass manufacturing was once a state secret in Italy and Germany. Even though formulas for glass were potentially reverse-engineer-able, the knowledge on polishing and polishing machinery was closely guarded and prohibited from export.

      Similarly, although you might be able to find out how to make an atomic bomb on-line somewhere, you probably can't find engineering specifications on building high-speed centrifuges needed to purify the isotopes to realize such a bomb (even if you had the "specs" in a book, you probably can't make the centrifuge parts in your 3d printer). Just maybe you would have to buy it from someone that a government doesn't want someone to sell it to you...

      Maybe later when we all get replicator technology, we will wonder why such a silly restriction existed on something as trivial as a high-speed centrifuge, but in it's time, it served a purpose (even if you don't agree with the politics of the purpose) even if later it seemed moot.

    34. Re:Even if it is correct by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      What people don't get sued for slander/libel in America? What's the most litigious country in the world coming to?

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    35. Re:Even if it is correct by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      For example, a judge will instruct jurors that they can not judge the law and therefore could not find you not guilty of assault charges in an instance where you tackled a man who mugging an elderly woman. The Constitution on the other hand empowers juries to do exactly that.

      This has always boggled my mind. How are judges able to legally lie to jurors at the beginning of every trial, and yet retain their jobs? They should be removed from the courts with extreme prejudice if they have ever made such a statement, and let them try to get their jobs all over again.

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    36. Re:Even if it is correct by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There is a huge disconnect here, and while it is easy to describe this as simple hypocrisy, unless the KKK were implicated in some recent crimes, this is essentially thought policing.

      This is not thought policing and it is not hypocrisy. This is war. The KKK has been an openly harmful organization for the whole of its existence, and there's no valid reason not to stamp it out. Not by outlawing it, but by attacking it on every valid basis. Attempts to unmask the members of Anonymous are ongoing and continual. Why should they not unmask their enemies? If Anonymous were attacking people or groups which were not simple groups of shitbags, then they'd have less sympathy. But you can't defend the KKK without supporting not just racism, but violence against non-whites.

      That is a rabbit hole I doubt Anonymous wants to engage.

      Well, you're wrong. They clearly do. And fuck the KKK, and fuck anyone who defends them. They're an openly harmful organization, and I'm not talking hate speech. They took up the practice of wearing those fancy dresses specifically to avoid prosecution for their crimes, and now they want to complain when someone wants a look up their skirt. Well, fuck 'em. Not all situations are identical.

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    37. Re:Even if it is correct by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      What makes you think censorship is acceptable in Europe?

      In Germany and France, you cannot parade with Nazi paraphernalia. That's one example of censorship that is legally impossible in the US (and I'll go on record to say, I wish we could have some of that type of censorship against people parading in white hoods... or people with pulled down pants or unattractive people wearing uber-tight spandex clothing 2 sizes too small.)

    38. Re:Even if it is correct by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      In fact the 4th was designed to blunt exactly these sorts of lynch mob tactics under the color of law.

      Were those intentional puns or did they just surface subconsciously?

      I agree with your sentiment. While I don't really feel bad for the actual KKK people, those who are incorrectly outed could very well have their lives destroyed by this wanton and careless act. This is one reason the amendments are in place. I think it's also beyond ironic that anonymous wishes to (I'm paraphrasing here) "..strip the KKK of the cowardly masks they hide behind".. and yet, they're "anonymous".

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    39. Re:Even if it is correct by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He's probably one of the numerous fat idiots who think truth isn't a defence under UK law because they read something on the internet written by a fat idiot.

      For the benefit of him and any other DeVry alumni.

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  3. How many of them are black? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    Just asking

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  4. Wait, anonymous has a fluid identity? by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    And anyone can claim to be anonymous?

    Well, I say we need to throw everyone in jail, on suspicion of this cowardly info-terrorist activity.

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    1. Re:Wait, anonymous has a fluid identity? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean like that "Anonymous Coward" guy that keeps posting here?

    2. Re:Wait, anonymous has a fluid identity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Honest - it wasn't me.

    3. Re:Wait, anonymous has a fluid identity? by dmomo · · Score: 1

      No. It's there's no solid Anonymous identity, but there IS a known twitter account spearheading opkkk, so in a sense,that does have an identity. An identity which claims to be no part of this recent data dump.

  5. Who to believe? by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Who do you believe? A mysterious organization that uses nefarious and questionable means to gather their information? Or, do you believe what comes out of the mouth of a politician?

    1. Re:Who to believe? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      If the information released under the name of Anonymous is backed with verifiable facts, then we won't need to believe them, we'll be able to fact check it ourselves. And the most effective "operations" are ones where the information is found is released so that it can be checked.

      However, it is true that what "Anonymous" says about someone is meaningless without proof being provided to back it up. The very attribution of this to Anonymous literally means that anyone could be releasing it for any reason. Even just for the lulz.

      In the case of the person who "released" the list early, it appears to have been for a reason other than to provide facts.

  6. Imposters? by truck_soccer · · Score: 2

    So this release was a fake, and the true release will not have any mistakes? How did they verify?

    1. Re:Imposters? by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No. This is a false flag operation to get the public to doubt the real information when it is released. Thanks for playing.

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    2. Re:Imposters? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Presumably, they will provide proof that can be fact checked independently.

      If they don't provide that, then there is no point in accepting any suggesting that they have "verification". "Anonymous" has no reputation to stake on this, so there is no reason to trust their word.

      And really, the point of Anonymous doing these things is to release information for review. They may say it is a list of KKK members, but anyone who understands how Anonymous works understands that they are there to simply release things that may not have otherwise seen the light of day. It's up to you to believe them or fact check them or not.

      Let's hope they didn't just pick a list of Republicans that everyone loves to hate, and then just rely on everyone nodding their heads and going with the narrative.

    3. Re:Imposters? by zlives · · Score: 1

      more incoming in 3,2...

  7. Color me shocked by GoCrazy · · Score: 1

    People who release things on the internet anonymously with no accountability can be wrong?

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  8. You'll be disappointed by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    Day before release: "Oh I wonder what famous, powerful and influential people will be outed?!?"

    Day of release: ".....Wait, this list just looks like a bunch of poor redneck nobodies."

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    1. Re:You'll be disappointed by smartr · · Score: 1

      It's almost like the schmucks who are on the the list probably don't give a damn, except the ones who don't belong on the list or who are misidentified as being the ones on the list. Behold, KKK members David Duke and James Smith. Sure, James Smith might be the most common name in the USA, but herp derp KKK herp herp USA USA USA USA.

  9. A diversion tactic? by dmomo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if that dump was meant as a distraction in an attempt to pre-emptively discredit the real data when it actually does land.

  10. "Apart" or "a part" by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    Amped Attacks, who has now distanced himself from Anonymous, stating "i am not apart I'm assuming that he is claiming to not be a member of anonymous, but a missing space sure makes a difference in that statement.

    1. Re:"Apart" or "a part" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd caught that too. Innocent typo or clever word play, hard to tell.

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  11. Re:Slashdot apologizes for the llamas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gosh, it's almost as if Slashdot has different people with varying opinions on things.

  12. Who watches the watchers by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    ...when the watchers hide behind masks? Anyone taking this whole thing seriously is fooling themselves. (Hint: The 24 hour news cycle)

  13. Stuff like this... by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Makes me sympathetic to the British standard of defamation. The law ought to provide these people with absolutely no legal defense in the face of a lawsuit or prosecution for defamation.

    1. Re:Stuff like this... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If you say "John Smith is a member of the KKK" and you actually have no reason to believe that John Smith is a member, you can be charged with defamation in the US. Now, if John Smith actually was a member of the KKK and you had proof, you couldn't be sued for defamation in the US (well, you could but it'd be tossed out quickly) but in the British courts truth isn't a defense against defamation.

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    2. Re:Stuff like this... by khallow · · Score: 1

      Why? It's clearly defamation by the US standard.

    3. Re:Stuff like this... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's defamation, don't believe it. There is nothing compelling you to accept it at face value. Before acting, people should fact check first. Acting in bad faith does not merit censorship.

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    4. Re:Stuff like this... by khallow · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's defamation, don't believe it.

      Make people do that.

    5. Re:Stuff like this... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that the speech doesn't do anything. The action comes from the listener. That is where to attack the problem. It's just not very expedient. It's far more effective to neuter the male than to spay the female. Censorship is animal control.

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    6. Re:Stuff like this... by khallow · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that the speech doesn't do anything. The action comes from the listener. That is where to attack the problem.

      That just doesn't work. It's vastly easier to deal with speech which is deliberate defamation (even when it comes to anonymous speech) than it is to fix a huge population of clueless listeners and gossips.

    7. Re:Stuff like this... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's vastly easier...

      As I just said, expedient, that is what censorship is... Doesn't make it right. If this is how you want to do things then I can claim anything I read might motivate me to commit murder, and I should suffer no consequence for it. You have to charge the guy who wrote it. No sir. You must sanction the actor, not the script writer, or even the director. Free choice is free choice. And all choices are personal. Censorship is a brick wall to human evolution beyond its animal nature.

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    8. Re:Stuff like this... by khallow · · Score: 1

      Here, expedient translates to "possible versus impossible". Plus, it is right for the offending party that deliberately engages in defamation to be punished for the speech in question.

    9. Re:Stuff like this... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      in the British courts truth isn't a defense against defamation

      Peopole on the internet always say this, but it is simply not true. Truth is always a defence. The problem is that if you are sued for slander/libel, it is up to you to prove that it is true as your defence.

      If I say "Politician/famous person X is a child rapist, murderer and Chelsea fan" I had better have very strong evidence to back up my claim.

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    10. Re:Stuff like this... by Xest · · Score: 1

      "but in the British courts truth isn't a defense against defamation."

      Of course it is, but not only that, but the claim can be false and you can still defend yourself if you can prove that you genuinely believed the claim to be true - for example, if someone else previously sent you the claim in an e-mail, and you then went to check the veracity of the claim and a number of newspapers were also printing the falsehood then you could reasonably argue that you were simply repeating something that you would have absolutely no reason to believe is false.

      The biggest problem with the UK's implementation is that it allowed for people outside the UK to bring their quarrel to the UK to be decided. The actual implementation in the UK isn't massively unreasonable. You can only get fucked with a libel/slander suit if you were making false statements about anyone without having put any effort into checking whether they were true or false.

      You're arguing that if you make a truthful claim about someone that it's not a defence, but that's wholly false, of course it's a defence. You may have to prove why you think it's truthful though and then it's a question of how truthful it actually is, do you merely think it's truthful when it may not be or can you actually show that it is?

  14. Re:Well now by rhazz · · Score: 1

    Did you even read the summary? The person who released the data clearly stated they are not part of Anonymous and not part of the operation. As Anonymous stated, they will release it November 5th from a specific twitter handle. Additionally Anonymous has also clearly stated that just because names exist in their dump, does not mean those people are members of KKK, it just means those names existed in the KKK members database. After all, George Bush's name appeared on dozens of accounts on in the Ashley Madison dump.

  15. Parsing error by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    To clarify the situation, Anonymous took to Twitter on Tuesday evening to state that "the twitter account that released the pastebin with the government officials that are clearly not KKK"

    ...that "the twitter account that released the pastebin with the government officials that are clearly not KKK" what?

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    1. Re:Parsing error by Falos · · Score: 1

      Thank you. Hell of a sentence subject, hell of a retarded write-up. And with a handle like that, it would've probably helped some of the confused folk that kept thinking /this/ is the real dump.

  16. Re:[subject] by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

    I find it amusing that Anonymous seem to have no respect for anonymity other than their own

    That's like saying "I find it amusing that only redheads have red hair."

  17. Re:Well now by shaitand · · Score: 2

    You know that this wasn't anonymous right? This was someone else posting garbage to discredit the previously announced 11/5 dump that will be from anonymous.

  18. Re:Drug cartels by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    How come they won't go after the drug cartels and release that data?

    1. They probably don't think drugs are bad, and

    2. They would like to remain attached to their testicles and kneecaps.

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  19. Re:Drug cartels by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    I believe that there have been some attempts to do that.

    However, two things. First, the cartels are already experts on doing business secretly. They aren't soft targets in terms of process or operational security.

    Second, they have threatened to kill the shit out of anyone who tries it. Any "whistleblowers" aren't sent to jail and mistreated a little, they are tortured and killed. And their families are tortured and killed.

    It's hard to say if they will be able to find the people carry out their threats on, but there is no reason to doubt their sincerity and their capability to commit organized, and violent, crime.

  20. All hail Mob Justice! by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    yep. nothing to see here.

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  21. Where does it say this data is actually fake? by dmomo · · Score: 1

    Not verified, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bogus.

    All I see are claims that it was not sponsored or verified by those spearheading OPKKK. Doubts about the data's veracity are mentioned but not supported.
    All we know is 1) this was not likely associated w/ the release coming on 11/5. 2) Nobody has verified or disproven the names on this list.

    1. Re:Where does it say this data is actually fake? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Not verified, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bogus.

      All I see are claims that it was not sponsored or verified by those spearheading OPKKK. Doubts about the data's veracity are mentioned but not supported. All we know is 1) this was not likely associated w/ the release coming on 11/5. 2) Nobody has verified or disproven the names on this list.

      Well, the fact that one of the few names actually given is of a person who has essentially no chance of desiring membership in the KKK and even less likely to be accepted into the KKK (they don't take too kindly to people that are openly gay) calls the rest of the information into question.

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    2. Re:Where does it say this data is actually fake? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back in the mid 90s, i joined the KKK for the express purpose of informing some black activists friends of their activities. I actually joined another group like this for the same purpose. I know of others who did the same. You could get in their list server and chat groups which were generally invite only.

      I stopped when it was obvious that they knew what i was doing. They used the clashes that came from it for publicity. 20 hate mongers preaching hate doesn't get as much news coverage as the same being protested by hundreds of others or the rare occasions when violence would break out.

      I used a fake name but an email address i still use today. Not sure if it will be included in the dump but if it is, it will be fun to see what idiots on parade do with it. Most of the people who would know the address were in on it to.

    3. Re:Where does it say this data is actually fake? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Not verified, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bogus.

      Do the words "burden of proof" ring any bells with you?

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Where does it say this data is actually fake? by operagost · · Score: 1

      So, did the KKK do anything of note while you were a mole?

      They must be the world's least effective SIG.

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    5. Re:Where does it say this data is actually fake? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Held a rally in Cincinnati Ohio and a few in Indiana near fort Wayne. Nothing really noteworthy except being carted off by the cops when someone spit on a protester.

  22. Re:Editors by hey! · · Score: 1

    The syntax is not hard to unravel, although the combination of the syntax AND the jargon (the most common source of Slashdot incoherence) is a bit of a challenge. The problem is a stray "that". "That" is used to introduce a restrictive relative clause (i.e., a phrase which narrows down the universe of possible things that "the twitter account" might refer to). The tweeter began a sentence with what he thought was the subject, then introduced a restrictive relative clause to clarify the subject; when he discovered that what he wanted to say was in that clause he simply slapped a period on the end.

    The simplest edit would be to make "pastebin" the subject of the sentence:

    The pastebin released by the twitter account included government officials who clearly are not KKK.

    On the other hand, the subject in a subject-verb-predicate sentence has a kind of pride of place. I suspect that the writer was trying to put the spotlight on what he saw was unethical behavior by the tweeter. So you could also write it this way:

    The twitter account that released the pastebin included government officials who clearly are not KKK in that pastebin.

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  23. Re:Drug cartels by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    I thought torture and threats of torture were ineffective? I know that because my professor told me that.

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  24. Re:This is the net. Call anyone a KKK member you w by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you think that is strange (Bill Cosby), look up Clayton Bigsby.

    True story. I saw it on the same channel i get most my other news from (before Stewart left )

  25. Re:Drug cartels by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Torture isn't effective as a means of getting reliable information OUT of a person. When you're being tortured, you'll say anything to make it stop - even if what you say isn't true.

    However, torture (or the threat of it) is a very good way of keeping information IN a person. Especially if said torture is directed at those you care about. (e.g. "Don't tell anyone what you know or your wife/husband/child/parents will die a slow and painful death.")

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  26. Re:Ben Carson is the head of the KKK by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    And Clayton Bigsby is his sidekick.

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  27. Re:Drug cartels by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    Good point. Still, I question the claim that torture is ineffective as a means of getting information. You know the famous XKCD panel where a 5 dollar hammer beats "unbreakable" encryption.

    I object to torture as an option because I believe in limiting the power of government - not because torture in-and-of-itself is ineffective.

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  28. Not "outed". by jcr · · Score: 1

    They were slandered, not "outed."

    -jcr

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  29. Re:Drug cartels by pastafazou · · Score: 1

    They're extremely effective at extracting the truth from the lies if done properly.

  30. Re:Drug cartels by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

    Actually torture could be very effective for breaking encryption because the truthfulness of your statement can be verified immediately. That is not usually the type of information people are tortured for however.

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  31. Grammar, people by operagost · · Score: 1

    Is he "not apart of anonymous"? That means he's with anonymous.

    It's not pedantry.

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  32. anonymous showing their true colors by hernol · · Score: 1

    This organization keeps on showing their true colors... They're just some IT lobbyists.

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  33. Re:Drug cartels by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    Since it's approaching Guy Fawkes day here's a quote from wikipedia (which we all know is always true.)

    Fawkes gave his name as John Johnson and was first interrogated by members of the King's Privy chamber, where he remained defiant.[37] When asked by one of the lords what he was doing in possession of so much gunpowder, Fawkes answered that his intention was "to blow you Scotch beggars back to your native mountains." [38] He identified himself as a 36-year-old Catholic from Netherdale in Yorkshire, and gave his father's name as Thomas and his mother's as Edith Jackson. Wounds on his body noted by his questioners he explained as the effects of pleurisy. Fawkes admitted his intention to blow up the House of Lords, and expressed regret at his failure to do so. His steadfast manner earned him the admiration of King James, who described Fawkes as possessing "a Roman resolution".[39]

    James's admiration did not, however, prevent him from ordering on 6 November that "John Johnson" be tortured, to reveal the names of his co-conspirators.[40] He directed that the torture be light at first, referring to the use of manacles, but more severe if necessary, authorising the use of the rack: "the gentler Tortures are to be first used unto him et sic per gradus ad ima tenditur [and so by degrees proceeding to the worst]".[37][41] Fawkes was transferred to the Tower of London. The King composed a list of questions to be put to "Johnson", such as "as to what he is, For I can never yet hear of any man that knows him", "When and where he learned to speak French?", and "If he was a Papist, who brought him up in it?"[42] The room in which Fawkes was interrogated subsequently became known as the Guy Fawkes Room.[43] Two signatures Fawkes's signature of "Guido", made soon after his torture, is a barely evident scrawl compared to a later instance. Sir William Waad, Lieutenant of the Tower, supervised the torture and obtained Fawkes's confession.[37] He searched his prisoner, and found a letter, addressed to Guy Fawkes. To Waad's surprise, "Johnson" remained silent, revealing nothing about the plot or its authors.[44] On the night of 6 November he spoke with Waad, who reported to Salisbury "He [Johnson] told us that since he undertook this action he did every day pray to God he might perform that which might be for the advancement of the Catholic Faith and saving his own soul". According to Waad, Fawkes managed to rest through the night, despite his being warned that he would be interrogated until "I had gotton the inwards secret of his thoughts and all his complices".[45] His composure was broken at some point during the following day.[46]

    The observer Sir Edward Hoby remarked "Since Johnson's being in the Tower, he beginneth to speak English". Fawkes revealed his true identity on 7 November, and told his interrogators that there were five people involved in the plot to kill the King. He began to reveal their names on 8 November, and told how they intended to place Princess Elizabeth on the throne. His third confession, on 9 November, implicated Francis Tresham. Following the Ridolfi plot of 1571 prisoners were made to dictate their confessions, before copying and signing them, if they still could.[47] Although it is uncertain if he was tortured on the rack, Fawkes's scrawled signature bears testament to the suffering he endured at the hands of his interrogators.[48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  34. Re:Editors by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    They're anonymous because they're ashamed of their grammatical skills...

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  35. My paranoid thought.... by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

    What better way would the klukkers have to discredit the outing of their members, than first posting a list with a bunch of innocent non-klukker names on it?