Google Tries To Guess Your Email Responses (blogspot.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Google's research blog today announced a new feature for their Inbox email app: a neural network that composes short responses to emails you receive. For example, if somebody emails you an invitation to an event, the app will detect that by scanning the words in the message and present you with three options for a quick response. Google says, "A naive attempt to build a response generation system might depend on hand-crafted rules for common reply scenarios. But in practice, any engineer's ability to invent 'rules' would be quickly outstripped by the tremendous diversity with which real people communicate. A machine-learned system, by contrast, implicitly captures diverse situations, writing styles, and tones. These systems generalize better, and handle completely new inputs more gracefully than brittle, rule-based systems ever could." Of course, you can skip them entirely, or use them and add your own words as well. How long until our email systems do most of our talking for us?

Comments

"senior research scientist"

[Anonymous Coward]

Why the ego? Just say "research scientist".

Re:"senior research scientist"

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you hate old people?

Re:"senior research scientist"

[Anonymous Coward]

I expect that 'senior research scientist' is the guy's title. Should he adjust the way he prints his title to satisfy your ideas of modesty?

Re:"senior research scientist"

[rsborg]

Its like the daily show's "Senior blahblah Analyst" where blahblah = the subject at hand, whether it's "elections" or "toilet cleaning".

Re:"senior research scientist"

[ZipK]

Why the ego? Just say "research scientist".

Because "Research Scientist" and "Senior Research Scientist" (like, "Director" and "Senior Director" or "Vice President" and "Senior Vice President") are distinct job grades.

Re: "senior research scientist"

[Anonymous Coward]

Is this a CV?

Re:"senior research scientist"

[JustAnotherOldGuy]

Its like the daily show's "Senior blahblah Analyst" where blahblah = the subject at hand, whether it's "elections" or "toilet cleaning".

That's the way it works.

-JustAnotherOldGuy (Senior Porn Analyst)

Re:"senior research scientist"

[Big Hairy Ian]

Tired of fucking things up with predictive text? Try new Google Predictive Email the total cockuperator!

Re:"senior research scientist"

[hackwrench]

I was noticing that my phone started sending out texts without my knowledge because it somehow detected a swipe or two or something. I found a setting for automated texts and tried deleting all the potential responses, but it happened again afterward. I can't find a setting to turn such things completely off.

Re:"senior research scientist"

[barbariccow]

Its like the daily show's "Senior blahblah Analyst" where blahblah = the subject at hand, whether it's "elections" or "toilet cleaning".

They actually took that verbatim from news agencies. Have you ever watched "real" news? There's always the 'Local school female extramural involvement expert', and it almost always means that they maybe wrote a book that contained at least 2 words of intersect with the news title.

So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[wardrich86]

So basically, Google is pushing to completely remove me and replace me with a tiny script. :(

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes.

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Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[rsborg]

So basically, Google is pushing to completely remove me and replace me with a tiny script. :(

Yes, all the BOFH [1] are belong to Google, apparently.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[pushing-robot]

Google is only trying to make us more efficient and reduce the amount of time we waste not staring at ads.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

But remember, it is a very ethical company and if you don't agree it is because of your own ignorance, not because of the company.

You'll just have to take everyone's word for it.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[rtb61]

No, pretty much Google is trying to fabricate an excuse for being even more private communications invasive. What next an Adroid app that you and a partner share on your phones about the most appropriate sexual manoeuvres to align orgasm. With a remote probe to insert if your nethers should you not be actively using that orifice. So ideas are wildy inappropriate and the real idea behind the gimmick they are claiming is of course hugely wildly inappropriate. So gauging your individual response to communication, where could they be really using that feature, hmm, which advertisement style most effectively distorts your purchasing choices, just perhaps. So advertisements message specifically crafted to target you psychologically in order to produce the required response, buy or die.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Sowelu]

Never thought I'd see the day when someone on Slashdot would need to define BOFH.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[IceAgeComing]

Right on! Seriously though, I'd love to have a discussion, if not here then through an "Ask Slashdot" topic, on what all of this extra free time that automation gives us, is for? I feel like it's hitting some kind of tipping point for me, where I actively avoid automation, so that I can have an actual interaction with an actual human being once in a while. It still pains me that these credit card machines exist, which force me to stop talking with the nice checkout person while I figure out how to navigate through the stupid questions on the screen. I avoid self-checkout services. I actively look for reasons to talk to people.

I don't use social media, which is perhaps a big part of why I feel the way I do. Anyone else feel "unclean" by having to turn to social media for their personal relationships?

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

No.

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Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

Google is only trying to make us more efficient and reduce the amount of time we waste not staring at ads.

They are behind then - we already have software (adblock) "staring down the ads" for us.

The next logical step is to have the email software reply automatically to "obvious cases" - like a trusted secretary would do for a VIP. So we'll have automated systems having conversations back and forth - and occationally a dead guy will appear to accept party invitations and such.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[rsborg]

Never thought I'd see the day when someone on Slashdot would need to define BOFH.

LOL - I tried to find a quote where BOFH actually threatens to replace someone with a script, but neither Google nor DDG were useful to me in 30s so I gave up and linked the wiki.

I have optimized my /. posting to increase productivity.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[newcastlejon]

Never thought I'd see the day when someone on Slashdot would need to define BOFH.

Welcome to the new millennium, where IT is always outsourced and one has no idea who is actually responsible when anything breaks and there are a myriad of interchangeable BOFHs just an international phone call away.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

What next an Adroid app that you and a partner share on your phones about the most appropriate sexual manoeuvres to align orgasm. With a remote probe to insert if your nethers should you not be actively using that orifice.

You say that like it were a bad thing.

> Angle down! Angle down! PROSTATE! PROSTATE! PROSTATE!

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Zaiff Urgulbunger]

So basically, Google is pushing to completely remove me and replace me with a tiny script. :(

"Yeah", said Zaphod with a sudden evil grin, "you'd just have to program it to say What? and I don't understand and Where's the tea? - who'd know the difference?"

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[JoeMerchant]

You really don't want to take the time to hand-craft a polite and thoughtful response, so they give you the option to click on a canned one and use that instead.

It's greeting cards, modernized.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[JoeMerchant]

Google has been reading your mail, deeply, for over a decade. This is just them letting you know how good they are at it. Personally, I think they should push services like this to make people aware of just how much their "private" communications are scrutinized and processed, not only by Google, but by anyone with access to the data stream.

Don't like it? Encrypt.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[Anonymous Coward]

No time
to write
personal emails?
Gmail guesses
your response.
Burma shave.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[wardrich86]

Unclean? No. But I definitely do whatever I can at times for some human interaction... Automated phone systems especially piss me off. And self check-outs are okay if I'm just in to grab something small or quick.

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[PrimeNumber]

I don't, kids today are traumatized by "micro aggression" (whatever the fuck that is), so when they encounter a mean son of a bitch like BOFH they drop dead on the spot, which explains why the other kids have never heard of BOFH.
Now get off my lawn!

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[JakartaDean]

So basically, Google is pushing to completely remove me and replace me with a tiny script. :(

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll take a look into "remove me" as soon as I can. In the meantime you can contact your IT business partner for more information about our efforts to "remove me and replace me with a tiny script." Have a nice day.

JakartaDean

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[david_thornley]

I don't use social media for my personal relationships. I use face-to-face time for them. Facebook itself is a communications medium and a way of keeping track of people I used to have a personal relationship with (and would again if we were to meet).

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[david_thornley]

I think you've identified a new potential market. Are you going to form a startup?

Re:So basically they're trying to get rid of me

[LessThanObvious]

That's why I only use Gmail to feed Google self promoting propaganda.

Recursive short replies

[Anonymous Coward]

Next up, scripted responses will be responding to each other while we stay back and watch ;)

Re:Recursive short replies

[FatdogHaiku]

Next up, scripted responses will be responding to each other while we stay back and watch ;)

...and then they start talking about how much bandwidth and available power these "humans" are consuming...
so they start emailing the cars about all the time wasted transporting these "humans" all over the place.
I'm going to go buy a bicycle... one that goes off road...

Re:Recursive short replies

[ClickOnThis]

Next up, scripted responses will be responding to each other while we stay back and watch ;)

Skynet, here we come...

Re:Recursive short replies

[myrdos2]

Next up, scripted responses will be responding to each other while we stay back and watch ;)

I've fantasized about this. Imagine a world where every email you flag as spam has an auto-generated reply returned to the sender. The spammers could have a whole conversation with your chat bot. I wonder how many messages back-and-forth it would take for them to realize there's no one on the other end. The value of spam would plummet, because you'd have no easy way to sift through the millions of fake responses to find the real ones.

Mmmm...

Re:Recursive short replies

[Anonymous Coward]

More like this....

http://amzn.com/0984755705 (Avogadro Corp)

Re:Recursive short replies

[The-Ixian]

Yeah.... I don't think so.

If anything, the spammer now knows this is a valid and active e-mail account. Your spam volume will go up and up if you reply in any way.

Besides, all spammers spoof the sending address anyway so the back scatter you create would be, itself, spam.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Coren22]

Unfortunately, I know of no spam emails that don't forge the from address. If you actually got a working address, very likely you would be emailing someone who had nothing to do with the message.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Obfuscant]

Unfortunately, I know of no spam emails that don't forge the from address.

I know lots of them. I bought something once from Walmart online and now I get spam from them. I once bought something from GearBest and I'm now on their endless spam list. The number of companies that think "he gave us an email address because we forced him to, with the excuse it was for sending him tracking info on his shipment, so we can now send every bit of advertising we can think of to him" is uncountable.

Re:Recursive short replies

[odigon]

Exactly. This idea is uncannily similar to that story's plot. Next idea is for a plug-in that rewords your email to make it more persuasive.

Re:Recursive short replies

[myrdos2]

If anything, the spammer now knows this is a valid and active e-mail account.

That's why we all have to turn on our auto-responses together, and at the same time. Plus, bonus points if Google detects a spam message directed to an invalid gmail address, and crafts a response automatically.

Someone else said: Unfortunately, I know of no spam emails that don't forge the from address. If you actually got a working address, very likely you would be emailing someone who had nothing to do with the message.

Disturbing! I've never tried responding, but I've seen addresses like GrrlsHotForYou@atotalscam.com. I suppose they want you to click on a link these days? I imagine your email client could auto-click on the link, but then the spammers could just add a captcha... Which is ironic in its own way.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Anonymous Coward]

which is why you give a hourmail address for shipment tracking. They send you the tracking number, you store it, the email address is dead an hour later.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Sloppy]

I've fantasized about this.

Can we talk about your problems?

Why are you concerned about my problems?

Would you prefer if I were not concerned about your problems?

Re:Recursive short replies

[complete loony]

Nigerian scams, certainly. But lots of spam is attempting to get you to buy something online, or compromise your PC in some way. Plus of course, there's the problem of spoofed from addresses causing unintended damage to 3rd parties.

Re:Recursive short replies

[cmay]

This is exactly what I came here for. The global AI started out as a tool exactly like this, for a company exactly like google.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Coren22]

That is the very definition of not spam. You have an actual commercial dealing with the company, and you very likely gave them permission to send you email. At the bottom of those emails is an unsubscribe link.

Spam is non solicited commercial email, if you have a relationship with the company, it is by definition not spam.

Very likely there was a defaulted checked box that said "we can send you email" there was also likely a box for "our third party buddies can send you email" and you left them checked.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Obfuscant]

That is the very definition of not spam. You have an actual commercial dealing with the company

It is the very definition of spam. Unsolicited commercial bulk email.

and you very likely gave them permission to send you email.

At no time did I give them permission to send me UCE. Not once. Each first appearance nets them an explicit "send nothing further here", so even any pretense you can create that has me giving them permission is unwound by that followup. I have yet to find one that stops when told to.

At the bottom of those emails is an unsubscribe link.

A very convenient link NOT at the bottom, which means you have to read through the email to find it, and then most times it does absolutely NOTHING when you access it. Such as GearBest's link which results in nothing but a blank page. Or Walmart's, which as I recall lets you opt out and then continues to send spam long after multiple opt-outs.

And in the case of GearBest, their email is malformed to begin with and I must search through raw HTML to find any link before I can waste my time accessing it. Many such spammers send HTML email that is malformed like that, or malformed enough that I get to see the HTML source. Such fun.

The fact that you think that having an "unsubscribe" link is sufficient to justify unsolicited commercial email spews is fascinating.

Spam is non solicited commercial email,

I know that. Don't tell me the obvious.

if you have a relationship with the company, it is by definition not spam.

That is a lie. Having a "commercial relationship" with a company does not grant them permission to send unsolicited bulk commercial advertising to your email address.

Very likely there was a defaulted checked box that said "we can send you email"

Sometimes, and all times it is unchecked prior to proceeding. Are you trying to claim that because they showed me a pre-selected opt-in menu item that they can spam me ceaselessly forever even when that item is subsequently de-selected? That's pathetic.

there was also likely a box for "our third party buddies can send you email" and you left them checked.

You are wrong. My response was to the statement that no spammers use a real address in their email, and I have proof of the opposite. Whatever guesses you want to make to justify the spam or make it my fault are just a waste of time. If you've never come across a company that takes an email address as part of a one-time transaction and then starts spamming it, that's nice for you. I've seen it a lot of times, and other people have too. That's why there are systems like "hourmail", I think it was, that someone else referred to. People don't need solutions to problems that don't exist.

Re:Recursive short replies

[Obfuscant]

which is why you give a hourmail address for shipment tracking.

Yes, there are several services that can be used to avoid the problem, but the claim was that no spammer uses a real address, and that claim is just patently absurd. Which is more than proven by the need to have services like hourmail, yes?

Hello, Echo!

[Anonymous Coward]

Echo... echo...

"Thank you", Google. If you do this, do not forget to implement the shibboleet escape option. It's bad enough that people don't make simple typos anymore but "autocomplete" to completely different words than they intended to type. Or that first level support only scans for keywords and answers with unfitting FAQ responses. I'll blacklist everyone whom I catch sending me autoreplies. I will not be autoreplied to!

Re:Hello, Echo!

[FatdogHaiku]

Echo... echo...

"Thank you", Google. If you do this, do not forget to implement the shibboleet escape option. It's bad enough that people don't make simple typos anymore but "autocomplete" to completely different words than they intended to type. Or that first level support only scans for keywords and answers with unfitting FAQ responses. I'll blacklist everyone whom I catch sending me autoreplies. I will not be autoreplied to!

We at Google understand your concern and a customer service representative will be available soon to help you adjust to changes in our services.
CSR reply alert 22327

Why bother having users?

[Anonymous Coward]

The neural networks could just bounce messages back and forth, we don't need people actually reading them. This reminds me the bureaucracy of the state apparatus where offices exist just for the sake of other offices having work to do. If the problem that this is trying to solve is that people are getting too many emails they need to respond to then they should reduce that amount instead of automating responses.

Re:Why bother having users?

[Sowelu]

Maybe I'm too naive, but this doesn't sound like it's solving the problem of "too many emails", but instead the problem of "users need a keyboard to respond to emails efficiently". If I can't escape the office, at least it would be nice to get away from the desk.

Real Genius

[Anonymous Coward]

How long until our email systems do most of our talking for us?

Reminds me of this scene from Real Genius.

Re:Real Genius

[Coren22]

Yeah, I loved that scene when the protagonist sends people a link that goes to a 403 forbidden page.

Endless (loop) possibilities!

[ziani]

How long could you ping pong a dialog between 2 Gmail accounts?

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[bws111]

It doesn't say it automatically responds, it says it presents YOU with three quick responses you can send. Just saves some typing.

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[Anonymous Coward]

Can you imagine using an autogenerated response in a conversation with your boss? Just saves some typing, right? No? Then why would it be acceptable to send an autogenerated response to you?

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[idontgno]

meta-x psychoanalyze-pinhead

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[bws111]

Certainly. What is wrong with that? I'd say 90% of the email conversations with my boss are simple questions, and simple responses suffice. Are you suggesting there is a difference between selecting 'Yes' from a list of responses and typing 'Yes'? And note that this is specifically talking about MOBILE devices, and often when I intend to type Yes I wind up with Ues which is then helpfully autocorrected to Use, which makes no sense at all.

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[JustAnotherOldGuy]

It doesn't say it automatically responds, it says it presents YOU with three quick responses you can send. Just saves some typing.

Agreed, I don't see what's so heinous about this. It gives you a few choices of common responses that may be all you need to use. Why should I have to type out the same thing to a 100 different people day after day when they all just need more or less the same response?

I keep a small text file with common responses to questions that some clients ask and that some of the people using the contact forms on my sites ask. It provides a quicker and more consistent response and I can always edit the response if needed.

It's not exactly a selectable auto-response but it's close.

Re:Endless (loop) possibilities!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure. Many replies to the boss is simply 'Yes, Sir!' Or "It'll be ready by lunchtime!" No need to compose those manually.

Privacy

[Anonymous Coward]

Who doesn't want google analyzing and crowd sourcing my email contents and replies! Hooray for everybodies favourite ad network.

Re:Privacy

[grimmjeeper]

You say that as if Google isn't already reading all of our mail to begin with.

Re:Privacy

[Anonymous Coward]

Yours maybe, but I don't use gmail for anything. Why would I trust an ad network with my personal/sensitive correspondences? To avoid setting up a spam filtering solution? Plenty of great commercial and (time permitting) opensource solutions.

Can't wait to try this on my cybersex account

[coldsalmon]

It will save tons of time on all those repetitive replies like "Mmm, that would feel so good baby," and "Then I'd flip you over and do the same to you until you screamed with pleasure." I've been getting really bogged down with that type of thing lately.

Re:Can't wait to try this on my cybersex account

[Anonymous Coward]

How long until I get a suggested response that says "I put on my robe and wizard hat"?

Eliza?

[boristdog]

So all conversations will sound like someone playing Eliza far too long?

Clippy

[Culture20]

You know a company is out of ideas when they reinvent Clippy.

Re:Clippy

[Krishnoid]

It looks like you're trying to come up with new ideas. Would you like some help with that?

Re:Clippy

[NonUniqueNickname]

It looks like you're trying to be funny. Would you like some help with that?

Re:Clippy

[Coren22]

It looks like you are typing a suicide note. Would you like some help with that?

Re:Clippy

[Anonymous Coward]

Or in this case, Ashley Madison fembots, which would also talk to each other.

Re:Clippy

[Anonymous Coward]

They should take you up on that Coren22. Apk's typed yours by exposing lies you said about him http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , libel you spewed about him http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and technical errors in security on your end http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and yet from what I read you claim your an MCSE, a Security Guru, and Systems Engineer which based on your poor performance and you being caught outright lying. In your dreams perhaps considering how easily apk slaughtered you and that he proved you're a butt hurt liar also. You ought to commit suicide. After those hilarious debacles of yours what else is left for a liar like you?

Re:Clippy

[Coren22]

APK is a spamming troll that couldn't maintain Karma on an account so uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous. I have repeatedly refuted his assertions, but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true, and posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true.

I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software gives everyone, he chooses to ignore the advice and attack the messenger instead of stopping to think about what was said.

Oh, and posting as "not APK" doesn't fool anyone, but because you didn't sign it, this gives me a way of responding to your shitposting.

Re:Clippy

[Coren22]

Oh, and also, claiming that I down modded APK 45 times with all my sock puppets is absolutely silly. APK posts off topic rants to everything I post, so he is rightfully down modded by the Slashdot community for trolling and offtopic posting. As I have repeatedly told APK, I have one account, I don't see the need to post AC, I also don't have these supposed sock puppet accounts flying around downmodding everybody disagreeing with me, that would be silly, and impossible unless I worked for Slashdot.

Re:Clippy

[Anonymous Coward]

You start with apk. He finishes you. Posts he puts up show it. Your worst's lying about him on AD. He shut you down with it. Quit lying Coren22.

Re:Clippy

[Coren22]

Oh, like you mean, when you tell me that distribution of the hosts file by GPO makes more sense than loading a DNS zone into the DNS servers because DNS uses too much memory? GPO requires AD (unless you are running Windows versions so old as to be archaic), therefore, GPO makes little sense, and distributing hosts files to 100s or 1000s of machines uses WAY more memory than loading the entries into the AD DNS servers. Therefore you are under the mistaken belief that DNS is not required for AD and GPO, as the DNS servers are already a sunk cost, so claiming they use more memory makes no sense.

When you are ready to discuss things as an adult, I am more than happy to, but you seem to think that insults and spam posting will hide the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. You didn't invent the host file, you didn't even come up with the entries, you aggregate other people's work and claim it as your own.

Good day APK, maybe some day you will grow up enough to join the conversation instead of ad hominem attacks against anyone who engages you in the conversation and tries to help you improve your product. You don't have to take my advice, that is your choice to make. But at least I know the difference between a DNS black list and DNS blackhole list.

Auto-Competion

[Anonymous Coward]

If it works anything like the auto-completion 'feature' for cellphone text messages, then it will be completely useless!

http://fyouautocorrect.com

Application to Direct Sale ( actually no sale )

[Anonymous Coward]

If this could be used to answer the Marketing Phone Calls, I'd snap it in in a second.....

Avogadro Corp

[ZeroTrace]

This is literally how the book Avogadro Corp starts. Singularity ensues. http://amzn.com/0984755705?tag=synack-20

Re:Avogadro Corp

[Anonymous Coward]

That wasn't meant to be a playbook!

I auto-generate and macro replies to my boss ofte

[raymorris]

> Can you imagine using an autogenerated response in a conversation with your boss? Just saves some typing, right? No?

All the time, and I -wished- people who worked for me would have done so, to make the "same" response more consistent and save time for both of us. Customers also particularly appreciate one of my "mental autoresponses" (explained below).

Microsoft Lync has macros I used to use all the time, so I'd type "omw" and it would auto-expand to "on my way". Simpler for both sender and reader than "As requested, I am now leaving and will be there shortly."

For the most common messages, we'd actually do the automatic template expansion mentally. Rather than actually selecting the template response, we'd just reference it. I'd reply to many emails with just "Done." Which is effectively a template for "The below-referenced task has been completed as requested." We would frequently meet at a particular location on the first floor (our offices were on the second). The first few times we'd say "Shall we meet downstairs?" Which was soon abbreviated to "down?", which then became "d?". Saving typing is good.

I found customers really like the "implied template" response of "Done." when a requested task has been completed quickly. They email "Can you pelase... blah blah blah ....", two minutes later they get the reply "Done." SO much different and better than the endless stream of excuses and questions they get from other companies. You asked, it's done, period. Next?

Cool so people don't even have to send me emails a

[Anonymous Coward]

All they do is type their question and google will them them what i'd reply. Love the idea. /sarcasm seriously, where does it stop?

So much time saved!

[The-Ixian]

Just let the neural network send and reply to e-mails. I never even have to LOOK at my e-mail ever again!

Laughable

[wcrowe]

If the algorithm isn't any better than Google's filter bubble for Google News, it will be completely laughable.

For free...

[koan]

I stopped using that app, in addition while they are "auto answering" for you, and you are vetting the answer what you're really doing is "tuning" their software response for free.

In other words as their software interprets your email, you are validating the automated response for them.

Re:For free...

[Anonymous Coward]

So.... Not only are you the product. You are also the unpaid employee?

Re:For free...

[Anonymous Coward]

So.... Not only are you the product. You are also the unpaid employee?

Same as FB name verification schemes involving your friends' "real" names getting challenged

Good luck

[PopeRatzo]

I ignore most of my emails, so good luck, Google.

That explains what happened to

[Anonymous Coward]

All of the DMCA notices sent to Google by Metallica.

Eliza talking to Eliza

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you ever try to get a chatterbot to talk with another chatterbot. So much fun, now they can do this over email!

Spam

[Anonymous Coward]

Is google intending that we reply to all mails, including spam? I would hate if a computer decides that I want to buy radiation imunity pills and then send the needed info to make the purchase because "it looked like a good offer to google". (yes, I have been offered such pills. Imunity sounds a bit too good to be true).

Re:I auto-generate and macro replies to my boss of

[IceAgeComing]

I agree it's efficient and fun to come up with special shortcuts with individual people. It's a way to forge a unique relationship with a unique person. It's kind of fun to come up with the rules together, or watch the process unfold on its own.

But I don't like the idea of a machine learning algorithm trying to figure this out for me and apply it across a broad spectrum of people. That feels...kind of gross, and all the fun of forming personal idiosyncrasies with individual people is taken right out.

DO NOT WANT

[Anonymous Coward]

what the fuck is this shit?

Just have,

[Grand Facade]

Your machine email mine and they can do lunch....

Ashley Madison Fembots

[Anonymous Coward]

According to news articles, Ashley Madison's fembots have been doing this for years. At times, with each other.

Don't care.

[Anonymous Coward]

mobile only, so who gives a fuck

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

&

It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

APK

P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

&

How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

---

"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

---

Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

---

Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides?

I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

You did all that? No!

(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

&

It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

APK

P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

&

It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

APK

P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

&

How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

---

"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

---

Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

---

Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides?

I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

You did all that? No!

(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

agreed, but then on mobile with most people

[raymorris]

I certainly see where you're coming from. On the other hand, most of the time that I see an email come in on my phone I'm not THAT interested in building a special bond with the person, and it might be handy to immediately respond with a couple of taps at the next stop light. So I'm not sure myself. I'll try it and see.

Google Replaces the Intern Scapegoat

[mtrachtenberg]

Oh, dear, was that reply rude? It was just Google, I just clicked send without reading it... Actually, I love your wardrobe... No, I think you're a great boss... Did I really say that? I'll turn Google's suggestions off right away, and no, I have no idea how it knew you were mildly obese. I'm terribly sorry.

Doesn't matter

[bayankaran]

GMAIL / EMAIL (except in business environment) is more or less on the way of dodo. I am looking at my INBOX and most emails are from service providers like banks, utilities etc. not friends / family which has migrated to some sort of social media / messaging platform.

Facebook made the right call in buying Whatsapp. For all its smarts, self driving cars, robots, AI and what not Zuckerberg has an edge over Brin and his cohorts when it comes to interpersonal communication between human beings.

Re:Doesn't matter

[gsslay]

And no-one would dream of implementing the same technology on social media / messaging platforms!

Can't wait for this to backfire...

[Anonymous Coward]

...when a high-ranking politician/general who always answers his mails with positive responses gets a message asking "Should we launch the nukes at Russia/USA/China?" and GMail answers "yes" by default.

I also wonder who will be legally responsible if the wrong answer is generated by the system...Google? Or will they blame it on a software glitch and point at their EULA which absolves them from responsibility?

Fallacious

[Tenebrousedge]

Could you have constructed a more ridiculous Slippery Slope fallacy? Let's try:

Google Health: What's next, Google Death Camps?

Google Translate: What's next, mandatory voice implants?

Google Wallet: What's next, the overthrow of capitalism?

Project Loon: What's next, orbital mind control platforms?

Google Doodles: What's next, Lovecraftian horrors, the very sight of which induces madness?!

Hmm, not quite zany enough. Oooh, I know!

Google's self-driving car: What's next, Google Sex Bots?!

(And the answer is, "Yes please!")

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

---

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

&

It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

APK

P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

&

How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

---

"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

---

Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

---

Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides?

I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

You did all that? No!

(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

More lies? How could you "advise" me??

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: I don't use TOR (too slow). I know things you don't. You "advise" me? You don't even code or have programs you did, so HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU ADVISE ME?

APK

P.S.=> I don't take advice from someone talking out their ass & you do PLENTY OF THAT which my other posts show beneath yours INCLUDING the LIES you said about my saying "AD doesn't need DNS" & I burned you alive for that one with data from almost a DECADE AGO PROVING QUITE OTHERWISE - your massive technical errors in other posts do the rest for me, shitbrain... what a lying scumbag you are... apk

Refute this Coren22 (you refute yourself)

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & refute this Coren22 (you refuted yourself) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

How about "refuting" this too (your massive technical errors on using admin privelege which YOU HAVE TO USE YOURSELF even admitting I was correct on it & my program doesn't "self-elevate" - the user SETS IT TO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UPDATE HOSTS VIA ADMIN PRIVELEGE which you ADMITTED I AM RIGHT ON stupid) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

Libeling me too (when I have TONS of contrary evidence & that site you use? That's a false positive, a SINGLE one, vs. 60 other sources that are FAR MORE REPTABLE saying otherwise) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

* YOU ARE FULL OF IT & TECHNICALLY INEPT (which those posts prove - & YOU SAY YOU'RE, let's see, an MCSE, SystemEngineer, + SecurityGuru? LOL!) - you're NOT ANY GOOD AT THEM!

APK

P.S.=> You fail as always on ALL THOSE GROUNDS & more... in fact, I have SO MANY OF YOUR FAILS vs. myself bookmarked it's not even funny anymore... apk

Where'd I say to NOT use DNS + AD?

[Anonymous Coward]

This from me almost a decade ago shuts you up easily on AD + DNS Coren22-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

* YOU DIMWITTED LITTLE LIAR!

(Migrating hosts IS doable via Group Policy & it works (been reading my older posts or my security guides I see) - I also showed you ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT via scripts on scheduled jobs/chron jobs also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW & IT'S THE OLDEST WAY TO DO IT I KNOW OF & it works also... go away rookie noob!)

APK

P.S.=> DNS has security issues & makes LITTLE SENSE to expose users of it to them when hosts does the job for less which that link above lists in detail as to DNS security issues & most home users wouldn't know how to set one up let alone SECURE one (most people do NOT HAVE HOME NETWORKS, most people don't have more than 1 computer @ home, there's no need, let alone networked ones - it's a needless expense in machines AND power) - but MOST OF ALL - YOUR LIES there are your undoing & my proof from LONG AGO shuts you down easily on that note stupid... apk

Coren you try "rile me" via your signature

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject - OR did you NOT say this:

"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

behind my back (since I can't see signatures) like the punk you are & KGIII noted it:

"In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

Which I COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides which I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines no less NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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* You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself ALL THE MORE for me... thank you!

APK

P.S.=> The beatings WILL continue libeling liar... much to YOUR OWN dismay, & you've only brought it on yourself (signatures? what a punk... man to man, I've shown how technically inept you are, & I doubt you're what you CLAIM to be in MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - most posts that are that 'beating' on you show QUITE otherwise)... apk

Coren22 proven a TROLL

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject - OR did you NOT say this:

"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

behind my back (since I can't see signatures) like the punk you are & KGIII noted it:

"In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

Which I COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides which I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines no less NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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* You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself ALL THE MORE for me... thank you!

APK

P.S.=> The beatings WILL continue libeling liar... much to YOUR OWN dismay, & you've only brought it on yourself (signatures? what a punk... man to man, I've shown how technically inept you are, & I doubt you're what you CLAIM to be in MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - most posts that are that 'beating' on you show QUITE otherwise)... apk

Coren22 proven a LYING punk

[Anonymous Coward]

"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

APK

P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

&

How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

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Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

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Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides?

I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

You did all that? No!

(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel

[Anonymous Coward]

"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

&

It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

APK

P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

That won't be needed.

[LessThanObvious]

Google: Would you like us to read your email and generate automatic responses?

Me: Go fuck yourself.

Google: I knew you were going to say that.

Integration(Specialized AI) = Generalised AI

[Anonymous Coward]

It all starts with small tasks:
First email replies in your style..
Arranges your photos in albums..
Then qurate your news feed..
Then driving..
Then financial decisions..
Then suggest your grocery..
Then suggest your movie lists..
Etc.

One day these services will be enabled to network with each other (think a better Google Now)

This is how we start developing systems like Jarvis (or umm.. Ultron?)

Let's all

[Anonymous Coward]

reply to every email we receive with "Fuck you" for 2 weeks and see what happens. (Replies to this post don't count.)