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NASA's Maven Mission Solves the Mystery of Mars' Lost Atmosphere
StartsWithABang writes: If you came to the Solar System some 500 million years after its formation, you would've found two world with oceans of liquid water, continents and all the conditions we know of for life to begin thriving: Earth and Mars. But unlike our own world, Mars' organic history was cut short when it lost its atmosphere and became a barren, desert wasteland. While we had some pretty compelling theories as to how this happened, it was only with the advent of the Maven mission and its first science results that we discovered exactly how, how fast and when Mars lost its atmosphere. One cool discovery: aurorae appear diffuse and all over the entire night sky on Mars!
The summary is missing important information. As TFA discusses, the primary issue was (as already strongly suspected) the loss of the magnetic field around Mars. With only a very weak magnetic field nothing protected the planet's atmosphere from the solar wind which blasted the atmosphere away over a time span probably in the hundreds of millions of years. This last result, the slow loss of the atmosphere is a genuinely novel and important discovery because as TFA discusses this makes it more plausible that if there was life on Mars that it would have had time to evolve to survive the gradually harsher environment. The research also suggests that Mars will become completely airless in around 2 billion years.
Scientists discover this one weird trick to remove a planet's atmosphere!
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Why did Mars lose its magnetic field? Anything to do with its core solidifying?
They hate children so they give NASA truckloads of cash instead of buying food.
They know NASA refuses to hire most non whites so they send a sore of money to them. Spew of money.
Because Republicans are not whole people.
I'd rather have a sore if honey.
Because Republicans are not whole people.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Oh please. No on wins these Republican games. One side just loses more quickly.
You and me both know it was aliens what did that to Mars.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...
You are welcome on my lawn.
The article says it would last for a while if we could, so...back of the envelope with probably horribly wrong numbers. Martian atmospheric density at the surface is 0.020 kg/m^3, human survival limit is something like 0.6 kg/m^3, so we need to add 29x current martian atmosphere to be long-term human survivable without a mask (for children and older, babies would still need higher pressure). NASA puts current atmospheric mass at 2.5e16kg, so we need to add 7.25e17kg. If we wanted to accomplish that task over a thousand years, or roughly 3.15e10 seconds, we would need to produce about 2.30e7kg of atmosphere every second for the duration. (At that speed, the loss rate of Mars's atmosphere due to solar wind is absolutely negligible.)
Martian surface area is 1.44e14m^2, which means we'd need to pull ~5,000 kg of atmosphere out of every single square meter of the planet if we don't have some other source. I don't know what density or composition Martian rock is, but rock in general is about 2.5g/cm^3, or 2500kg/m^3. So you might need to dig several meters into the ground to get what you're after, and expend one hell of a lot of energy to crack the oxygen out of it, but it's not like you'd need to dig a whole mile down across the whole planet or anything.
...new idea. If you already have the crazy tech necessary to do all that, just have your robots fabricate enclosed colony space instead. Mine, smelt, build roof. Yeah it's still ridiculous future technology, but if all you want is to make the place livable, it's a lot faster if you just make a bunch of buildings. Hell, in the amount of time it would take to crack all those atmospheric gases, you could have your crazy future robots just build an entire planet-covering roof for an enormous habitation space. It would take less work.
Or we relocate Callisto, as in arrange a collision between Mars and Callisto. If that isn't enough energy to remelt Mar's core, then add Mercury. Or probably bang Mercury and Mars together first, then drop in Callisto so you don't lose the water that makes up Callisto. That might get you a habitable planet once the crust hardens up again.
In short, we would need to capture a small fraction of the mass of one of the gas giants, and transport it to Mars. It would be interesting to see a proposal on how that could be done.
Javascript hell, no thanks.
Heat mars....perhaps covering it in dark dust at the polar caps, put some machines there to pump out CFCs...global warming will cause sublimation of dry ice into carbon dioxide, a green house gas...planet heats more, more is sublimated, etc...hopefully get a positive feedback cycle going...
Maybe comet/asteroid impacts if needed....
Reflectors positioned to focus sunlight...
Nuclear detonations....
Mass of the water ice frozen on/in the surface ~ 5 million cubic km of ice X 0.9 g/cm^3 ~ 10^17 kg
Mass of dry ice (CO2) is about 1/3 that of water ice...so still on the order of 1.3 x 10^17 kg total
In short, we would need to capture a small fraction of the mass of one of the gas giants, and transport it to Mars. It would be interesting to see a proposal on how that could be done.
A pipeline. In Spaaaaaaace!
Submission claims that for the first 1/2 billion years there were 2 planets with water and air. What about Venus?
Venus was also possibly inhabitable for the first part of its life, perhaps billions of years, until the Sun got warm enough to boil the Venusian oceans and created a runaway greenhouse affect.
Same thing is predicted for the Earth as the Sun continues to heat up (due to having a higher percentage of helium with time and therefore higher density) perhaps in as soon as 500 million years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Inevitably some of that cash goes to the children of engineers and management... they can't hate kids too much.
18+ year old theory: http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/p... I though I was losing my mind. The article, OK the summary, seems to imply no one ever thought of this.
I believe the normal science fiction solution is throwing comets at it. The comets can add water and various gases (although ammonia and methane probably aren't what you want for a liveable atmosphere) along with various organics.
I'm not sure it would do us a lot of good, but it might give Mars a chance to develop life of its own, especially if seeded with simple life from Earth.
Honestly, If we're going that far, I'd say a better target is Venus. Venus has no water. One of the theories for why Venus lacks a magnetic field is that its crust is too inflexible to support plate tectonics without water, which means the core doesn't cool fast enough to allow convection. Adding water might be all it takes to restart the magnetic field on Venus. The technology for all this is so far out there we may as well assume we have a way to get rid of a large chunk of Venus' atmosphere (maybe move it to Mars?), reducing the pressure down to levels where people could survive on the surface.
I don't think any of this will actually happen, mind you. It's fun to think about, though.
Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
So what is the calculation of when the Earth's core will freeze over or is there enough radioactivity to last until the Sun finally expands and consumes Earth?
Perhaps, but it is more likely that we will have our hands full just surviving global warming here on Earth caused by the collective will of humanity.
We just need Schwarzenegger to go to Mars and find some alien artifacts to make the atmosphere breathable in about 30 seconds.
How about Slashdot posts links to articles written by actual astronomers, instead of that corporate shill Siegel, who just cuts & pastes other people's work and asks people to send him money through Patreon (although he already gets paid by a private college and by Forbes)...?
Venus should be a candidate for colonisation, it would probably be much cheaper and easier:
Should We Colonize Venus Instead of Mars?
Venus: too much atmosphere, too hot.
Mars: not enough atmosphere, too cold.
The answer is so simple even a hipster twat who paints himself blue and has a shaved head and a silly beard could work it out.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Elon Musk suggested nuking Mars to warm it up.
How about engineering controlled tiny asteroid collisions at the poles, replace the solar wind matter being stripped off.
Humans need atleast 33.7 KiloPascal of pressure. On Mars that's 1.311 x 10^18 Kg ( http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2833.7+KPa+*+%28Mars+Surface+Area%29%29+%2F+%28Mars+Gravity%29 ). So your calculations are a factor of 1.896 off (55/29). I'm glad you bothered to do basic math, most on slashdot can't seem to even manage that.
I've sent a couple of proposals to actually achieve such a project, but the end is still the same. A livable Mars will need to have boots on ground that can do WORK. With current space suit ( inflexible, heavy, pressurized ballon) designs very little work can be done. So we either make better space suits and import humans, import bombs to explode and sublimate deposits of gasses( Olivine, Dry Ice, etc) , import robots to automate what humans would be doing, or import asteroids with alot of oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide to create a atmosphere after impact.
Any one of these will require focus and unrelenting leadership to accomplish. Let's hope there is a fifth dimensional being because none of this will happen with current leadership.
Humans need atleast 33.7 KiloPascal of pressure. On Mars that's 1.311 x 10^18 Kg ( http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2833.7+KPa+*+%28Mars+Surface+Area%29%29+%2F+%28Mars+Gravity%29 ). So your calculations are a factor of 1.896 off (55/29). I'm glad you bothered to do basic math, most on slashdot can't seem to even manage that.
I've sent a couple of proposals to actually achieve such a project, but the end is still the same. A livable Mars will need to have boots on ground that can do WORK. With current space suit ( inflexible, heavy, pressurized ballon) designs very little work can be done. So we either make better space suits and import humans, import bombs to explode and sublimate deposits of gasses( Olivine, Dry Ice, etc) , import robots to automate what humans would be doing, or import asteroids with alot of oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide to create a atmosphere after impact.
Any one of these will require focus and unrelenting leadership to accomplish. Let's hope there is a fifth dimensional being because none of this will happen with current leadership.
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Trouble is getting there in the first place won't be.
It is far more difficult (and costs a LOT more energy) to send a rocket to the inner planets than to an outer planet. The reasons are a bit complicated for a slashdot post (it's about how much orbital velocity you need around the sun in a smaller orbit and then to get into planetary orbit you have to slow down by a lot more).
It's possible and we've sent probes to venus but they used a lot more fuel than the same size probe would need to Mars despite Mars being further away (actual distance is not the biggest concern with orbital mechanics). For something with enough mass to contain humans - that difference goes up at a near exponential rate.
Now there is probably a point where the difference in terraforming costs will outweigh the difference in travel cost. If you're going whole-hog "build a colony" it may well be true - but we're a while away from that yet, and for early stage experiments Mars is almost certainly the cheaper option.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Not in my neighborhood!!!!
...Which the Democrat kids can then mug them for. So the same income redistribution takes place with either party.
"...it's a lot faster if you just make a bunch of buildings. "
Which could be partly earth-sheltered to reduce radiation.
(They mention this in the video but it still seems important to state) Venus is much more inhabitable than Mars is. The biggest issue at the moment is the fact that Venus's surface temperature is above 450 C. We currently know how to make a planet warmer over time, but we don't know how to make a planet that much cooler for multiple reasons. Partially because of the fact that with a sulfuric atmosphere and that temperature it becomes very difficult to even get any machines there for colonization.
Also no visible light reaches the surface due to its thick atmosphere. And one final note about Venus, its rotation is so slow it takes 243 days for it to complete one rotation. Therefore a year on Venus is shorter than a day on Venus.
In other words it would take a lot better technology to colonize Venus that it would take to colonize Mars. We could begin on Mars mostly with current technology, a few things would probably need to be improved first, but that could be done in the next decade or so.
But in order to build a colony on Venus we would need to invent the technology to keep the colony off of the surface. And this technology is not easy to test here on earth, because we would need to duplicate Venus conditions and NASA likes to test the crap out of its technology before sending it. While I understand that it is a shorter trip, and it has better gravity. I don't think it would be easier or cheaper at this time.
In the long run a colony should definitely be looked at on Venus, partially because it could teach humans how to terraform planets which would definitely be helpful in the long run. But when we talk about colonizing other planets Mars makes the most since at this time with current technology.
Maybe Venus could be the testbed on technologies for global cooling, since we're going need that sooner than later...
Easy. Quaid start the reactor...
See subject: I am going to have a FIELD DAY on you, "signature boy"... lol (you did it to yourself).
APK
P.S.=> Want to play games with me behind my back punk (since I can't see signatures)? Fine... I can too - check these out, only 2 days worth of my efforts to put your ass away:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
https://www.google.com/search?...
They'll only get more of results of those efforts of mine as I keep it up, & you keep up your 'signatures' punk + shooting your DIMWIT NO MIND KNOW NEARLY ZERO limited menial level of computing know how posts... lol!
(Funniest part is, your big mouth does it brain damage boy, keep posting & shooting off your piehole - I can demonstrate malicious intent out of YOU easily, as I've bookmarked every SINGLE time you've given me guff)... apk
"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)
Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
(Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)
I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).
I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.
I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).
Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).
APK
P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk
YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:
"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)
Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it
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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?
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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)
You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!
FACT:
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!
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Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
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* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?
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Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!
I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...
You told me you learn from guides?
I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...
+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
You did all that? No!
(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)
APK
P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!
Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?
Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
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It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
APK
P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
See subject - OR didn't you say:
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:
"In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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* Want to keep talking about me behind my back punk?
APK
P.S.=> It's YOUR FUNERAL & you're BURYING YOURSELF... my other posts here prove that much easily (as well as the fact you have a MENIAL LEVEL of understanding in computing moron)... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!
Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?
Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
APK
P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
Yes - that quote PROVES IT FOR ME & I am doing a "Cardinal Richelieu" on YOU signature boy... lol!
APK
P.S.=> See, I make 1 mistake about "your kind": I assume others have honor & pride - your kind? DOESN'T - which is WHY YOU HIDE BEHIND WEASEL FAKE NAMES ONLINE & many others feel the same of your kind (famous people in computing - you have NO INTEGRITY): You're pond scum that likes to dish it out UNDER "PHANTASY LAND NAMES" but when it's done to you, you can't handle it in return... you're PROVING THIS FOR ME as your "facade" crumbles you EASILY MANIPULATED PROJECTING mentally retard aspergers DOLT, lol... I love it! apk
The delta-v for a good transfer to Mars is about 3.6 km/s, and 3.5 km/s to Venus. It isn't harder to get to, and you can find many planetary scientists a bit jaded about how Mars gets a lot more attention.
But getting to low orbit for landing Mars needs 2.1 km/s while venus needs 3.3 km/s.
You looked at the transfer alone but a trip is more than one burn. You have to add them all up.
One thing I havent factored in is the increased possibility of aerobreaking around venus. Not sure how that changes the final scores.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
See subject: Is that how you brain damaged INCAPABLE punks spell??
LMAO!
* See? I can play troll "spelling nazi" too - doing trolling like you have to me nigh endlessly and I fry you for it using YOUR OWN WORDS Cardinal Richelieu style since you're an easily tracked for RETROLLING troll stupid enough to maintain a registered 'luser' script trackable 'account' here stupid.
MAN, are you dumb! NOW, that *may* not be your fault... it's your damaged aspergers brain working against you. Address my other posts that show your fuckups Coren22... where'd you do that? SHOW US... do it now, I will destroy you AGAIN publicly for your reprehensible WORM tactics and stupidity in computing, dolt.
APK
P.S.=> Come on boy - keep posting: I can play "troll games" too GIVING YOU A DOSE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE in return which you can't handle (as your facade of civility crumbles as I work you letting YOUR OWN WORDS do the work for me retard aspergers boy that can't spell)
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I will outsmart, out think, and OUTPLAY you every single time PUNK: Nothing can stop me, especially vs. a libelous little DO NOTHING PUNK like you!
You did this to yourself - every time which you're proving for me now especially... learn a lesson from it - You & yours trolls all with "phantasy land" fake names online? Bah, the REAL punks with NO INTEGRITY that pull shit because they never had their asses beat (real men do NOT do that, they know the price you little weasel - but NOW? Now, I think you're FINALLY "getting it")
You sow the wind? NOW REAP THE WHIRLWIND of your own words fucking you up for f'ing with me like a gossipy old bitch would (which is what you evidence yourself to be in 'signatures' & lies about me that I crush & you with it - can't hide them, I just override it & won't allow it - no "last word" for you PUNK - I am your superior on ANY LEVEL and you know it - your reactions are only helping prove it all the more, lol)... apk
Anti-Mars people seem to miss that point. If you are on Mars surface, Mars is shielding you from half the constant radiation. Create buildings with a thick roof on top and big windows on the side, like most apartment and office buildings, and you are about as protected as on Earth.
Venus is actually a fairly interesting prospect for colonization. You obviously don't go down to the surface with its lead-melting temperatures. However, about 50km from the surface you have temperatures a bit above freezing, the atmospheric pressure of roughly one atmosphere, and gravity that's very near Earth's. It's about the most earth-like place in the solar system that's not on Earth itself. The atmosphere is mostly CO2, which is a dense gas, so a balloon filled with breathable air would float. You have plenty of solar radiation during the day, the air contains nitrogen and trace amounts of water, and the magnetic field and dense atmosphere gives you some protection from the sun's radiation. On the downside though, the wind speed is hundreds of miles per hour, the days are really long, and if your balloon sinks you're pretty much a goner.
Find a planet between them that has just the right amount of atmosphere and it neither too hot or cold?
Find a planet between them that has just the right amount of atmosphere and it neither too hot or cold?
The problem with that one: there were bears sleeping on it and eating my porridge.
But what's the point about the cost of sending people there? Apart from the first few colonists - a few thousand - they'll breed their own inhabitants. why would they want poor foreign immigrants from a polluted or nearly uninhabitable planet like Earth will be in the thousands of years that the project would take.
Or ... were people thinking of dreams about the future being a substitute for dealing with current problems?
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
See subject? Hahahahahaha, says it all for me... keep running signature boy (you did it to yourself & I am scorching you for it)
* YOUR "ReAcTiOn" shows it all - you DO care, lmao! How fucking STUPID could you be? Keep projecting & posting - you brought it on yourself!
APK
P.S.=> What's the matter PUSSY? Can't take what you dish out?? Don't like it done to YOU in return??? You started it, I am merely FINISHING IT, & there's nothing a menial wannabe in computing like YOU CAN DO to stop it (no abused downmod points can stop me & lol, I get you & yours (sockpuppets or fellow trolls I've crushed making them eat their words JUST LIKE YOU in my other posts here have to) run out of effete 'bullets' to do it with - I never do, as I know more than you do and how to do it fast, & no TOR like you STUPIDLY accused me of dimwit, lol).
Call me punk? You're the fucking BRAIN DAMAGED "aspergers" RETARD, not I - I just show others what a PUNK YOU ARE, with your 'signatures' about me (total lies I blew away WITH YOUR OWN WORDS NO LESS you have to "eat", R O T F L M A O) ... apk
See subject: Says it all & this link, dismantling him point-by-"so-called 'point'" of his publicly http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(Coren22, I tried to give you a chance, 3x no less - you're a fool: You mistake mercy for weakness, like cretin brutes in the streets do... you paid the price!)
APK
P.S.=> I notice you stopped responding there - "Gosh, golly gee - why's that?" (not) - but I expect you'll TRY some more b.s. as that's all "your kind" (trolls) understand - crap like downmodding my posts or ac troll me!
(Which you & your sockpuppets OR fellow trolls have here already NOW TELLING OTHERS TO TROLL ME BY UNIDENTIFIABLE AC POSTS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as I've torn you ALL up 1 by 1 every time as I have yourself above... you did this, to yourself "signature boy")... apk