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Coming Set-top Box Mandate May Help Break Pay TV Firms' Hold Over Viewers (latimes.com)

Joe_Dragon sends a report from the LA Times about proposed regulations that could disrupt the cable industry's hold on consumers by targeting set-top boxes. These boxes are required to view most pay-TV programming these days, and consumers often require multiples if they have more than one TV. The rental fees add up to almost $20 billion in revenue for the industry each year. Yet the technology within these boxes is nothing special, and alternatives could easily arise if there was incentive to create them. "The changes aren't coming fast enough for some lawmakers and consumer advocates as well as tech companies such as Google Inc., which are eager to jump into the set-top box market. They want the Federal Communications Commission to require that pay TV providers make their services more easily compatible with third-party set-top boxes or similar devices. ... Such a mandate could allow consumers to access their pay TV and streaming services through one device instead of having to switch between two or more. And it could lead to innovations such as an ability to search for programming across services to determine, for example, whether a movie is available on Netflix or on-demand via a pay TV provider."

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  1. Tivo will do this already by cruff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And it could lead to innovations such as an ability to search for programming across services to determine, for example, whether a movie is available on Netflix or on-demand via a pay TV provider."

    A recent Tivo can do this. It can show you the various sources from which a movie or series is available.

    1. Re:Tivo will do this already by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, I was going to say that Cablecard technology was developed years ago with this in mind. The problem is that very few devices support it (Tivo being one of them). There was nothing to stop MS (or Sony) from putting cablecard slots into their console if they really wanted to do a "one device to rule them all." But most device manufacturers chose not to.

      The only downside of Cablecard is that you have to get the cards from your local cableco. But there aren't many practical ways around this.

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    2. Re:Tivo will do this already by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, just like happened when Cablecard came out ... the cable companies will do everything in their power to make sure it doesn't work ... either they'll just dig in and refuse, or they'll just add on additional fees.

      If anybody thinks the cable companies will allow this to happen without trying to gouge people and make up the shortfall, they're delusional.

      The cable companies simply don't give a crap about consumers. They never have, and never will. And they sure as hell aren't going to make it easy to stop paying them.

      Honestly, all they have to do is seem so grossly incompetent as to not be able to make the system work. And that should be shockingly easy.

      But don't start thinking this will work any better now than when cable cards came out in the first place.

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    3. Re:Tivo will do this already by cruff · · Score: 2

      The only downside of Cablecard is that you have to get the cards from your local cableco. But there aren't many practical ways around this.

      On the upside, the last time I had to do this with Comcast (Colorado), it was pretty painless. Just walked into the local Comcast storefront, stated what I needed, had it within 5 minutes. Called to activate it, was fully functional within 5 minutes of the call.

    4. Re: Tivo will do this already by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple has a patent on universal search.

      Apple's patent is invalid. The company Ck3Kl0t from Alpha Centauri registered that patent roughly two millennia ago.

      Fight for your bitcoins!

    5. Re:Tivo will do this already by Jhon · · Score: 4, Informative

      "The cable companies simply don't give a crap about consumers. They never have, and never will. And they sure as hell aren't going to make it easy to stop paying them."

      You are correct. They don't care about consumers. They do, however, care about money. A lot.

      We "cut the cord" almost 2 years ago. We only have internet through our provider. Over the last two years we've received some crazy decent offers from them to "add on" tv service ($10/mo for basic cable) + a cable box (at no charge). At first, for a year, then 2 years, then indefinitely at no charge for the box.

      They are bleeding money because they are bleeding customers. They'll change or they will die.

    6. Re:Tivo will do this already by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 2

      We cut the cord 2 or 3 years ago, switching to an Internet-only package at a drastically reduced rate (compared to what we were originally paying). We try to keep the costs to around $ 80/mth, while getting more than 25 Mbps (currently 60 Mbps).

      Every year, they offer us a triple-play package (basic cable + 1 or 2 channel packs, VoIP phone service, bump up a tier in Internet) for 6 months at no additional cost. We take it, mainly for the bump in Internet speed, and then cancel everything back to Internet-only after the 6 months is up. :)

      We've done that 3 times now. And every time we cancel, we let them know it's because of the ridiculous pricing they charge for cable packages. Hoping they'll eventually get the message that their cable costs are driving customers away ... but not holding my breath. :D

    7. Re:Tivo will do this already by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 2

      Why would anybody wait for a box in the mail when they can just take a short trip to the cable center and have it the same day? What a stupid complaint.

    8. Re:Tivo will do this already by xrobertcmx · · Score: 2

      What they do, and I can this from first hand knowledge, is make it impossible to use. I had Verizon FIOS for years in Northern VA. I had a Cable Card plugged into an HD Homerun Prime and connected to my MythTV backend. It worked perfectly, no on demand, no pay per view, but who cares. I move to North Carolina and am forced to get Time Warner, every single channel they can legally flag, is flagged copy once. I have a choice now of Windows Media Center or nothing. Ok, I make the switch, now I have picture quality issues, tuner issues, and compression issues. I call in and they simply blame my hardware. I went OTA and fixed the problem.

  2. Good. by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 2

    Good, hope this will accelerate a CableCard-like standard for IPTV like it did for cable systems. I love my home-brew DVR, and I'm not willing to switch to Google Fiber or AT&T UVerse until third-party TV equipment can work with their service.

    1. Re:Good. by bigpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good, hope this will accelerate a CableCard-like standard for IPTV like it did for cable systems. I love my home-brew DVR, and I'm not willing to switch to Google Fiber or AT&T UVerse until third-party TV equipment can work with their service.

      Yes, paying $18 per month "rental" for a $100 device really sucks and it feels like the bad old days of Grandma renting her phone from The Phone Company for $10 per month. The encryption keys can and should be simply software based...forget the CableCard, they still have those supposedly and nobody uses them because they don't offer key services such as the channel guide, VOD, etc. It could be so much simpler and you could just register your device ID and an open standard protocol negotiates the keys to unlock any encrypted content and the cable companies could provide the other services in a more standard way that encourages hardware competition.

      The cable companies are too big.

    2. Re:Good. by kbdd · · Score: 2

      "Yes, paying $18 per month "rental" for a $100 device really sucks" Totally agree, even more so considering that when integrated into the TV, the cost is probably more like $20. I looked at SAM's Club over the week end, and the "smart TV" versions of otherwise "non-smart" TVs in the 40" range cost about $40 to $60 more for the "smart" TVs. The hardware for a smart TV is more than capable of dealing with the cable data. Another advantage of having the hardware integrated into the TV as opposed to a set top box (even a universal one) is that you only need one remote.

  3. Cablecards, WMC+Extenders by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cablecards were suppose to usher in the great revolution in consumer set top boxes, breaking free the need to rely on cable companies expensive STB rentals. Aside from Tivos, Ceton InfiniTV products, and Silicondust HDHomeRun Prime, there's really not much out there for a compelling consume device.

    WMC was the only HTPC-related software that was certified to play encrypted non-copy-freely channels from a InfiniTV and HDHomeRun. And with many content providers/cable companies marking many/most/all channels copy-once, it really hurt the usefulness. Extenders for WMC were basically a non-starter, and with Microsoft killing WMC in Windows 10, it'll be all but dead in the near future.

    Cable companies and content producers aren't going to let up on their demands for DRM/restricting content/etc. STB mandates aren't going to suddenly open up a market that was already extremely tepid. And even if the mandates were passed, cable companies will do everything in their power to find loopholes around them, actively discourage customers from using 3rd party devices, offering no support for them if not outright lying about being able to use them, or otherwise making it a PITA to try to use one.

    1. Re:Cablecards, WMC+Extenders by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      No kidding. Here's the only acceptable real solution: require that cable companies broadcast only in ClearQAM. Period.

      If cable companies are given even an inch of DRM or hardware control, they find new and creative ways to fuck over everyone.

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  4. Good luck ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cable industry has far too much power, far too many lobbyists, oh, and did we mention they pretty much run the FCC these days?

    There is simply no way in hell these companies will allow anything to happen which cuts into profits. They'll stop it dead in its tracks, or make anything so onerous and impossible that it won't actually work.

    Since they mention this in the first paragraph ... this will be exactly like the old black rotary phone ... even if you no longer have it, they're going to gouge you for "touch tone dialing" and pretend like it costs them anything.

    Which means they'll charge you whether or not you have their box, will charge you to connect your box to their stuff, will charge you for the privilege of connecting your box to their stuff and for maintaining the infrastructure, and will find all sorts of ways to keep gouging consumers.

    These companies have strangleholds, and monopolies ... they sure as hell aren't going to accept any regulations which cost them money. They're far too entrenched and feel they're entitled to that money.

    And they have far too many fucking politicians on the payroll whose job it is to entrench in law their revenues.

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  5. Re:It's not set-top boxes that annoy me by bobbied · · Score: 2

    I'm not so sure the DRM has to go, but I think there needs to be multiple solutions that satisfy the DRM requirements.

    Wondering out loud.... Could we not require cable companies to either turn off the "copy once" flag or have a viable freely available DVR solution that is certified to do the necessary DRM... Like having a closed source addition to the commonly available media solutions?

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  6. Re:RIP WMC by bobbied · · Score: 2

    No, Windows Media Center is the only one with the certifications necessary right now.

    I hear that Silicon Dust is working on a solution that will have the full DRM certifications but so far I don't know how far away they are. I'm guessing they are trying pretty hard, because if they don't succeed with this, their main consumer business line will effectively be dead, so they are fighting for their lives.

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  7. Re: Who cares? by tommyjcarpenter · · Score: 2

    RE Netflix, This just isn't true. We need more real time services. I'm a cable cutter, 5 years to date. I have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and Plex for downloaded shows. But you know what I still can't get? Things my wife likes. News when it happens on CNN. Ad hoc cooking shows on Food Network. Sunday Night Football on ESPN (live). Moreover, I am delayed on TV shows to the point that I must abstain from the water cooler. For example, I have to not talk to my friends for a year because I won't get the last season of Breaking Bad until a year after it airs (this has passed now, was just an example). Netflix, Prime, Hulu, and Plex go a long way for very cheap. But there is still a void, a void the cable companies still have me by the balls with because I still consider being their customer.

  8. Cage Match: Cable vs Streaming by WhatHump · · Score: 2

    We have one cable drop with a PVR in our family room, and our service is for the most basic cable package you can get. It's connected to a Samsung TV with some streaming capability (Netflix and a couple other services). This month I'm putting a second TV in our basement rec room and hooking up an Apple TV to deliver content. In six month's time I will ask everyone in the family (four of us) to give me a good reason why we need to keep the cable service. I'm predicting I'll be cutting the coax next summer.

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  9. Re:Cronyism by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    There's an old saying, "What this country needs is a good war."

    Without any real problems (the West's worst medical problem now is too much food) lesser issues float up and take over their role as rage inflection points.

    And of course they are nothing of the sort.

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  10. Netflix has no sports by tepples · · Score: 2

    The only thing that keeps them alive is lack of broadband to some viewers.

    That and the long-term exclusive contracts among sport leagues, pay television networks, and multichannel pay television system operators.