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Classified Report On the CIA's Secret Prisons Is Caught In Limbo (techdirt.com)

sandbagger writes: A 6,700-page report that cost $40 million to produce is being blocked from circulation by the US Department of Justice by relabeling it as a Congressional Record, even though it isn't. Why? Congressional records aren't necessarily subject to Freedom of Information Act requests. Techdirt reports: "There had been some hope that ex-Senator Mark Udall might choose to release some of it from the Senate floor before leaving office, but that didn't happen. And, with the changing of the guard, the new head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, demanded that all the federal government agencies that received the report should return it to him so he can destroy it and make sure that no one ever sees what's in the report. As we noted, however, this whole thing seemed to be an effort to state publicly that the document was a Congressional record. That matters because Congressional records are not subject to FOIA requests. Executive branch records are subject to FOIA requests -- and the ACLU has made a FOIA request to the exec branch for a copy of the report."

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  1. We need a whistleblower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And, with the changing of the guard, the new head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, demanded that all the federal government agencies that received the report should return it to him so he can destroy it and make sure that no one ever sees what's in the report.

    Good luck with that, asshole. I hope to see it released in full by a whistleblower. The American public needs and deserves to know what god-awful and unconstitutional deeds are being done in their name.

    1. Re:We need a whistleblower by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whistleblowing https://cryptome.org/2013-info...
      A few from within the CIA did speak out on illegal torture. They faced prison for telling the truth about illegal torture, not the full protection of US whistleblowing laws.

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  2. Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina by Raseri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're one of his constituents you should probably contact him and tell him to stop fucking up: http://www.burr.senate.gov/ Unfortunately, NC is not one of the 18 states that allow recall of a senator, so you'll have to threaten him with losing his job next election cycle.

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    1. Re:Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      How can a state allow recall of a senator when term limits on senators were ruled unconstitutional?

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  3. Complete bullshit by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any government that has/demands authority needs to recognize that citizens demand accountability as that is the only way to prevent abuse of said power.

    This is almost as bad as secret laws that you can't discuss -- which I can't seem to find a link for ATM but read a few years back here on /.

    1. Re:Complete bullshit by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Could be worse, we could live in a country where they never would have put the report together in the first place. At least a few senators know what's going on here - it's even worse when the leadership is in the dark and has nothing but fiction to base their decisions on.

  4. The [Redacted] Address, by [Redacted] [Redacted] by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We here highly resolve that these [redacted] shall not have [redacted] in [redacted]—that this nation, under [redacted], shall have a new [redacted] of [redacted]—and that government [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], shall not perish from the earth."

  5. Corruption by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The main reason for all the secrecy is to hide corruption. They love the new laws that piss all over the Constitution. Can you imagine? Secret laws, secret warrants, secret courts and secret prisons. How is any of that part of a free society? George Washington would fucking shoot their asses.

    1. Re:Corruption by JoeMerchant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $40M isn't bad for good information. Assuming the cost spread equally among households, this cost the average household something like $0.50. The average household's federal tax burden is somewhere in the $20,000 range (average, not median), I'd be very happy if $5000 of that $20,000 was spent on getting the right information to the right people to make the right decisions about how to spend the other $15,000 - and a report on CIA secret prisons seems like justifiably 1% of 1% of the information that should be gathered and shared appropriately.

      The other important use of information (beyond spending allocation) is for policy making and maintaining our diplomatic position and posturing with the rest of the world, reports about secret prisons seem both to be important to that diplomatic position, and also important to control release of on the world stage.

      Better that we would have no secrets at all, but if you do that all at once, noone will be happy with the result.

    2. Re:Corruption by WindBourne · · Score: 2
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  6. Re:The [Redacted] Address, by [Redacted] [Redacted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    you forgot to redact "earth". Wouldn't want to give the enemy any information which helps them narrow down the search.

  7. Re:Aren't congressional records published? by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    Both houses of Congress and much more often their committees can move into closed sessions which do not have their minutes published publicly.

    http://www.rules.senate.gov/pu...

    2)(A) Except with respect to meetings closed in accordance with this rule, each committee and subcommittee shall make publicly available through the internet a video recording, audio recording, or transcript of any meeting not later than 21 business days after the meeting occurs.

    If you look at the Congressional Record, you see where it says they they went into Closed Session at such time, and no information about what happened in that session.

  8. Why is this surprising anymore? by CaptnCrud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have candidate "debates" that at best are "who can weasel their way out of a debate" contests.

    A commander and chief that only reads things from a teleprompter written by other people.

    Politicians that don't even hold themselves accountable for anything but lining their pockets through lobbyist.

    A now nebulous "war on terror" costing some 1.6-1.7 TRILLION...part of which (iraq) was based on a lie.

    A TSA agency that exists solely for safety theater

    A huge data collection/retention/eves dropping system that blankets everyone

    So no here we are, destroying evidence in public was just the next step.

  9. Huge Bonus Scams by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What they are likely to want to keep secret is corporate contractors stuffing the pockets with reward money by handing over any one and everyone as terrorists. Consider the cash flow, first the reward syphoned off, then the private flight, then private managed prison, then more flights, then more interrogation supervision and then lawyers and more lawyers. Often parts all of the above contracted through single corporation. The big secret how much each victim cost the US government in contractor fees and charges and how by far the majority of it was a scam. The amount of money stolen from the US treasury by the fake war on terror would be simply mind boggling literally hundreds of billions of dollars buried in tax havens by the biggest criminals on the planet, many of whom are still in positions of power because to embarrassing to prosecute or they have too many secrets to prosecute.

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    1. Re:Huge Bonus Scams by labnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      this. +
      The CIA exists to be the private political arm of big business.
      They have been deliberately destabilising the middle east since their inception. Saddam used to be on their payroll. They co-funded and trained the terrorists against Assad causing Europe's refugee crisis.
      I'm surprised that Americans are so apathetic against the abuses of their government.

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  10. 17th amendment by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ruling that state laws mandating term limits are unconstitutional is based on the 17th amendment. The 17th says that voters, not state governments, select senators. A state law saying that the person voters aren not allowed to (re)elect whom they choose is contrary to this, the court ruled.

    Allowing voters to (de)elect whomever they choose empowers voters, and is therefore consistent with the 17th amendment.

    Also, the ruling was 5-4, so a slightly different set of facts could easily swing that one vote anyway.

  11. Classified != FOIA by zarmanto · · Score: 2

    I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that if a document is indeed "classified", then FOIA requests are pretty much pointless, regardless of which branch of the government happened to produce (or obtain a copy of) the document.