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Mozilla Has 'No Plans' To Offer Firefox Without Pocket (venturebeat.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In June, Mozilla integrated Pocket into Firefox, garnering a mixed response from the browser's community. This week, VentureBeat stumbled upon a Bugzilla ticket (bug 1215694) to "move Pocket to a built-in add-on" and immediately reached out to the company. "There are currently no plans to offer a version of Firefox that doesn't include Pocket," said Dave Camp, Firefox's director of engineering.
Thanks Dicedot. Please, you know, edit.
NT
Sad to see once a web browser that once was a bastion of open source become yet-another-sell-out.
Someone can make a build excluding all the objectionable content, right? You just can't call it Firefox if you do.
I guess the Pocket is then one of those things that are not bloat from Mozilla point of view. Thankfully we can now be get rid of Classic theme restorer plugin instead, so we can truly embrace the full Mozilla experience by pocketing our chats while we share the rich converged and aligned experience with the Mozilla social media features.
Pale Moooooon
Table-ized A.I.
They're simply going with option B.
It already has.
You nailed it. This hit piece on Linus just came out 2 days ago.
But the browser you build is not a Firefox® browser. Instead, Gentoo users have to go the Iceweasel route.
I still have no f***ing idea what Pocket is, and why I should have it in my browser.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Dave Camp, Firefox's director of engineering
At first glance, my brain quickly read "dictator of engineering" :-)
Firefox ESR 38.4.0 here. No Pocket so far.. Will probably change though around March/April 2016 when the ESR syncs up with Firefox 45.
[about:config] browser.pocket.enabled = false
Every time Mozilla releases an update, I have to search through the config settings for new ".enabled" things to disable. (sigh)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Bah, you already have that button .. reply to your friend with "Fuck Off".
Or, do you just want some sort of passive aggressive thing where you can quietly throw a tantrum and block sites?
You don't need a damned button to be antisocial.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
but why does Pocket matter?
When they first introduced it, I right clicked it and removed it from my toolbar. I haven't thought of it since, yet there are people threatening to boycott Firefox over it.
I've never about:config disabled it. Is it selling my privacy? Doubling firefox's memory usage? Supporting terrorism?
Why is it news worthy?
They're almost done digging their own grave. It's slightly sad when you remember how they were pushing the limits of the internet in pre-1.0 and ~2.0 versions. But, nowadays, except maybe for Safari, which is still usable only because of Google contributions to Apple's codebase, Firefox has managed to be the slowest moving of the major browsers. Heck, even MS is being forced into getting community feedback for Edge and is actually implementing requested features, while mozilla continually spits at their users' face.
"I decided I could write something better than everything out there in two weeks. And I was right." - Linus Torvalds
that somebody gets to track and probably use to serve ads? I can't see a use case for pocket.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
Hehe,
Yea, I was thinking up some humorous opposite to social media. Every website is now tied into Facebook and Google plus with share and plus and thumbs up icons, that track users every move online. And the use of tracking cookies so once you ever return to site they get a history where you went.
Social media is the culprit that allows spying like NSA does, how folks get doxxed, etc. It's my opinion websites should have never fell for the trap adding Google analytics code, Stay counter, Facebook, Google plus, double click, twitter, etc
Since every single site is connected back to Facebook, Plus, Twitter
You don't need to get access to other site's logs, you got all the federal, tracking cookies, every single site a user has surfed daily can be logged.
So my satire on the antisocial media. I wish these sites would all unlink from social sites. Remove Facebook, analytics, stay counter and double click tracking which all are even here on Slashdot.
I already use adblock with 5 blocklists for various things from tracker blocklists , ad lists, social media blocking, anti adblock blocks, then noscript, then greasemonkey plugin script running 'antiAdblock killer'
Just to get a look at content like we had in 90s.
I see the web like a newspaper if I want to cut out an article and toss rest in trash, or pull the comics out and toss rest in trash I can.
Web site owners want the freedom to do what they want on their sites, which is fine, but they scream and cry and don't want users to have freedom to use the web how the user wants. To those site owners that's why I say "fuck off"
And my idea for Antisocial Media Web 3.0 :-P
It's election season. Ignoring all the political news sources with the Facebook "I don't want to see this" control is one of the most pro-social things you can do :)
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
I ran Palemoon for a while but it was still slow compared to Chrome. There is a reason Firefox is tanking and Chrome is growing. The product is simply better.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Got a .bat that fixes all that shit, they even update it every month in case MSFT tries more backdoor BS. Here it is if anybody needs it.
As for the Coward that posted a link to Debian? Sorry but I don't support an OS that goes against its own charter to force shit down its users throats, if I wanted that shit I'd take Windows 10.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
From what I gather I'm not in majority but for sure I'm not alone in actually WANTING Pocket and MORE, I want back the FUNCTIONALITY from that extension which is way beyond the stupid FF button. I still have it (thanks to some obscure thread on some other site) but it won't be updated and supported anymore.
Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition.
... provides a user-friendly interface to advanced preferences that would otherwise require manual editing of parameters, which can be cumbersome and time-consuming to do."
Joke:
Instead of browser.pocket.enabled = false in Firefox,
browser.adult.supervision.enabled = true in Pale Moon.
Pale Moon has tools for backup and migration.
Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon ad-ons, and usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly.
"Pale Moon Commander
about:config , then
browser.pocket.enabled
to "false".
Since we just now are in the process of deciding which browser to use in the system images of ~5.000 machines in a corporate environment this is really big news.
Having a specific "sort of social media" connection to a third-party service provider hard-wired into the browser, especially one where people can push documents viewed in the browser to, basically puts one further nail into the coffin of Firefox usage as official browser on work machines in my opinion.
What do your customers do with their computers, usually? Check out GhostBSD or even PCBSD. If you want a decent ecosystem in the Linux world, that means systemd is going to be there, if not now then shortly. Personally, it's not bad at all in my experience. However, if you want to stay away from it, GhostBSD would probably be a good choice for you and your customers - it's solid, secure, and pretty easy to figure out. If you've just got average customers doing average things then it may well be an option.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The problem is they ALL have at least a couple Windows programs they consider "must have", I don't care if they are 15 or 50. Why do you think MSFT can put out not one, not two, but THREE clunker releases in a row and still not have to worry about any real competition on X86? Its because of the network effect and how much software out there is Windows only.
This is why I truly believe tablets are a fad and will die down to the level netbooks are now, people quickly find their software won't run and end up abandoning them. You'd be surprised how many folks I have trying to sell me their tablets dirt cheap simply because they can't find a real use for the things, I know I ended up giving mine away simply because I couldn't find a use for the thing that wasn't better served by my netbook running Windows.
Its a shame but from what I've been seeing Linux is just as divided and fractured as its always been, Apple is too proprietary and pricey, so most likely somebody will release a "Gamers Edition" of Win 10 with the spying stripped out and that will be what they end up using. BSD may be fine if all you need is a browser but I have yet to meet this mythical user and if they did exist? I'd tell them to just pick up a $50 quad tablet so they didn't need to deal with "update foo broke my driver" issues and the increased app support with the Playstore.
Its just a damned shame ReactOS seems to be going nowhere fast as THAT is what I really need, something that will run their software without the spying shit.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
As for the Coward that posted a link to Debian? Sorry but I don't support an OS that goes against its own charter to force shit down its users throats, if I wanted that shit I'd take Windows 10.
???? You're going to need to explain that one. Are you referring to the adoption of systemd? (That seems a very long way from Microsoft's current actions with Windows 10, but hey, maybe you hate linux but have a soft spot for sysvinit ...)
Thanks for the link to Pale Moon, though. Looks good!
http://www.opera.com/download/...
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
ReactOS isn't going anywhere but much can be done on GhostBSD - except they'd need alternatives to their Windows software. I can't think of anything that I, personally, need from the Windows side of things so I'm quite happy without it. There is, literally, not one piece of compelling software that makes me even consider using it in a VM. If they've a compelling reason to remain on Windows then I'd probably just leave them on 7 or 8.1 and hope that the tide turns at Microsoft before those are completely EOLed. ISTR that 7 was due to get security updates until 2020 or maybe 2022. So, you've got some space to work with.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
i abandoned that pile of kludge a long time ago, around version 26, i use chromium mostly, and Pale_Moon on occasion,
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
why a sync option? I've never used it, but IIRC it's there.
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Vista is EOLed in 2017 so I have to find an alternative for those users or start stocking up on Windows 8 boxes.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Just right-click on the toolbar, hit "customize" and remove the damned pocket--they can't force you to use it!
I have an iPad that I just love. I also have an Android tablet that I got for free, but now, the sound has stopped working, so I'm looking at any tablet that runs Marshmallow - that way, I can make the SD card the 'internal' memory and make it as big as I need to. I generally use Android tablets to access my Kindle books and Vevo music. I also have a Winbook which I use to download my favorite music videos from YouTube, and then save. I'm looking at getting a Surface as well down the road, in addition to this PC-BSD laptop that I'm typing on, and a Windows laptop that I use for work. The latter I upgraded from 8 to 10, and have no issues w/ it, except one that I mentioned earlier - it's forcing daily reboots to do the latest updates. I'd like to be able to control that frequency to make it weekly or monthly.
Does GhostBSD only come w/ the choices of LXDE and MATE? If yes, why not consider PC-BSD, which has a whole variety of DEs, including Cinnamon, MATE and even GNOME 3 classic and GNOME 3 (the last 2 I don't recommend) Also, I don't use Windows software under PC-BSD since I have Windows boxes as well, but if I needed to, couldn't I run that software under WINE? Is there much 64-bit only Windows software that wouldn't run under WINE?
Another thing for PC-BSD that I forgot to mention - it has Chromium, as opposed to Chrome. So the spyware that one associates w/ the latter ain't there. I watch all YouTube videos on that, when I am not using one of the tablets.
GhostBSD only comes with the two but I am given to understand that you can use other DE if you want to install them. I've never done so. I'm a fan of LXDE but I find MATE to be quite workable with GhostBSD. I have played with PC-BSD a few times and it just seemed, well, rudimentary. I do like basic and functional but PC-BSD looks a whole lot like Windows 95. I admit, I did not spend enough time with it to go on and try to find other DE - at all. I simply used the stock configuration or a while until I decided to try something else.
Anything that runs in WINE on Linux should work fine in BSD. I don't do a whole lot in WINE, I don't actually do anything except test software for other people to see if I can get it to work for them. I don't rely on any Windows applications so it isn't of much use for me. I do know that it will not support 64 bit apps, well that's what I've been told. However, as you mention, most aren't 64 bit apps and many of those that are actually have a 32 bit version as well.
There's a Linux abstraction layer but I've not played with it as much as I'd like. Thus, I'm not qualified to opine. I dare say that PC-BSD is a nice OS but just not for me. That's probably my fault - I haven't given it a whole lot of time. I'm kind of OS agnostic and will use what suits my needs and I tend to meander back and fourth through the distros as I see fit, driven by curiosity and a need to try new things. My only issue with PC-BSD is that I found it clunky and uncomfortable. While I like basic and appreciate functionality, it was just too basic in appearance for my taste.
I find the systemd thing overblown. Frankly, I learned a few new commands (they're handy - like journalctl for instance) and have come to appreciate them. The OP was (it looked like) offended that Debian "forced" systemd down their users throats thus I suggested BSD because, from my experience, it's an excellent and stable OS. I still prefer Linux but I'll be doing more work in BSD in the near future. I must, after all, keep learning.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Which is why I was careful to say that it was true only for me. Lots of others have vastly different use-cases. These days? I'm quite OS agnostic but I don't use Windows simply because I don't prefer it. I'll use it, if I must. I don't have to, so I don't. I prefer Linux, it's just more logical to me. I don't mind BSD but there's a lot about it that I've yet to learn. A goodly portion of my career was tied into Sun so I expect to spend more time in BSD-land in the near future. I don't mind OS X but, again, I've not spent enough time there to be "fluent" or even truly adept. It seems like a fine OS from what I've experienced. I own a MBP, maybe. I think my daughter absconded with it when she last visited the house.
I don't really do the tablet thing - I own a few but I don't like them. I used to have a Motion, years ago, with XP on it. I'm probably going to get a Surface Pro 4 and put Ubuntu on it. I do have a Windows phone that should be here on Monday (the hotel is letting me get it shipped to the lobby). I really dislike Android, so that does make me not quite agnostic. I don't much care for it - it's too needy and my attention is limited. I've even dabbled in the more esoteric OSes like Minix and I've even played with Debian/Hurd.
So, yeah, I'm not tied into any specific OS nor do I actually need any specific piece of software. I kind of enjoy it. I do much prefer my browser choice (Opera) but I am able to manage with alternatives.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The problem is they ALL have at least a couple Windows programs they consider "must have",
You can always side-step that Using Wine, or a Virtual Machine. Remote Desktop also works, but I never had to go deeper than the virtual machine. The problem I see is that users panic when they hear that the OS is "Not Windows". I have heard it is possible to make desktop look like Windows, but never tried that myself.
The problem with VMs if its more complicated than "click icon on desktop and the program runs" my users simply will not be able to handle it. I mean for fucks sake I have doctors for customers, one paid me a $50 service call to reset the wireless on his printer!
This is the main issue I've found with Linux and BSD, while on the surface it looks like a new modern OS, the second you have to scratch anything below the surface, or use more than a browser and LO? Welcome to 1979 and DOS...I mean Bash prompts.You can remove ALL access to CMD on Windows and users will never notice, and until BSD and Linux can do the same? I'm afraid my users will end up better off with a hacked spyware free version of Windows.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Welcome to 1979 and DOS...I mean Bash prompts.
Actually, Windows has a 1979 cmd prompt; Bash is ahead by leaps and bounds: adjustable fonts/colors, unicode, piping and redirection. In fact, I am using Cygwin on Windows and Bash works with network drives, while CMD cannot... The funny aspect is that MS copied Unix output redirection: to my amazement a.exe > logfile 2>&1 actually works on Windows "1979" CMD prompt.
second you have to scratch anything below the surface
I found Gnome2 to have all the GUI teaks and controls I ever need. Currently experimenting with Cairo (looks like Mac), and it has more tweaks than I bargained for. On the other hand, if you need to "scratch" REALLY DEEP, the infinite maze of Windows menus with redundancy and some working not as advertized, and yet some not working, and no two versions of Windows having identical mazes -- I will take CLI any day, thank you.