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Microsoft Rolls Out Major Fall Update To Windows 10 (windows10update.com)
Ammalgam writes: Microsoft has rolled out a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2. The update is now publicly available for everyone to download. Microsoft has confirmed it will be a staggered release. This update is full of fixes and refinements to Windows 10 including substantial changes to Edge, Cortana, icons, the Start Menu, Activation and multiple enterprise features. Here is a full list of changes. Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
I may need glasses, or see someone who can help with Freudian slips.
Who wants to bet that this will turn all the spy stuff back on?
Is it just me or is that lady's ass in the standing desks ads totally photoshopped?
Just getting that out of the way, yw.
I used the Media Creation Tool to get it right away. Download the tool, run it and select Upgrade Now. Went flawlessly on our two laptops. The upgrade did change our default PDF reader back to Edge, which I changed back to Foxit Reader. The options to add color to the title bar is off by default. You can click on Personalization and then Color to change the setting. White title bars suck. Mail client, which is improved, is now called Outlook when it's opened. That seems like an odd choice since Outlook is a full fledged desktop app. Never doubt the capability of Microsoft to confuse. The Media Creation Tool download link is: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink...
Hey Microsoft, I do not want it. Quit forcing it on me. I have recommended updates enabled because they contain fixes for windows usually that aren't security related.
If you don't want it ever prompting you, download and run gwx control panel. Great program that completely removes windows 10 from ever being installed, removes the download of it if it is there, and even stops prompting you to install it.
http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html
This is what MS should have provided in the first place.
"Disable telemetry. As promised, the November update includes the ability for enterprise IT to disable telemetry feedback to Microsoft. âoeWe strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience,â Microsoft explains."
Does this mean the disable telemetry group policy settings can now apply that setting to Pro? (Like the majority we get our PCs with OEM Windows and then join them to the domains.)
Or is this still restricted only to the actual Windows 10 enterprise SKU?
If the former... awesome news... if the latter? WTF... I thought the enterprise sku already had the option to disable telemetry?!!
And after 3 tries, I just gave up.
I have a test laptop set up with Win10 and triggered the upgrade/update through Windows Update. The entire process took longer than I expected - possibly almost as long as the original Win10 install. The system can be used during the initial stages (download and some file updates) but then it reboots and you're at the black screen with a big white progress circle for quite a while.
I was working on other things, but it feels to me like it probably took more than an hour to complete, though I think it was likely less than 2.
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just a little off
that archive extraction and file-copying is still extremely sluggish, and that Windows in general spends an enormous amount of time grinding on the harddrive for no apparent reason other than being able to show you the desktop. Did you know that Windows' internal copy-buffer is so tiny that if you have a mechanical drive, 2/3 of the time it takes to copy a file is spent flipping the drive-head back and forth? One-hundred thousand employees, and collectively they can't figure out how to fix this. (you fix it by increasing the copy-buffer)
Windows 10 requires SecureBoot, so you can't dual-boot Linux Mint with it.
Since Microsoft made me choose between them, I updated to Linux.
It does not require SecureBoot. Windows 10 is enough of a failure all on its own without the need to spread FUD.
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>Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
I've been sofar successfully fought back Microsoft's insistence on breaking my working Win 7 setup. I know someone who was less lucky.
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It killed my boss's laptop which came with Windows 7 Pro by default which he freely updated to 10. He lost applications (which should have triggered the update to back out) and made his system which unusabl . My Surface 3 worked just fine though.
Synopsis: your mileage may vary
Did anyone else read that as major fail update?
> Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet?
Windows 10 is more of a downdate.
On the bright side, Microsoft is now claiming that the present-from-launch "disable telemetry" option for Enterprise, not present on anything you or I can buy with dollars, will actually disable telemetry. Previously, disable telemetry did not disable telemetry, only scripts from Russians disabled telemetry. Perhaps now it actually will- though, as always, I'd suggest you use wireshark on an intermediate device to be sure- after all, previously disable telemetry continued to send telemetry.
Spying continues unabated on home and pro- enterprise is corporate only. Corporations can now get some privacy. It would be madness to extend that to individuals, I guess.
> a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2
> Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2
Get your "FU NUT 2" today!
When will it hit WSUS?
Staggering update. Just staggering. I saw so m... wait, I'm still on Windows 7. Never mind.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
I have Windows 10 on a VM for testing, and after the last updates it now do not accept my password as valid. Fail
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Please enable it! Please keep sending us all your activity so you can be more secure!
What?
I wonder what items I've turned OFF that will *magically* get turned back ON by this.... hmmmm, MS?? Sooooo glad I don't use Windows as a daily use system any longer. I "upgraded" the OEM Windows 7 that came with my laptop over to Windows 10, just to get familiar with it, as I'm kinda the neighborhood tech support, and wouldn't want to look all derpy when neighbor with Windows 10 comes knocking on my door for assistance....
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Finally, that end of the C1900101-20017 and the C1900101-30017! It seems that 10 doesn't support certain AHCI controller firmware levels anymore. The upgrade process has been pure 0x530x480x490x54 for me until now. Seeing the new polish, I'm glad it didn't work out the first time.
The season is called autumn.
When offered the free upgrade, I took it. I tried it. I upgraded.
I am now happily running Fedora with Cinnamon.
To improve my user experience please note my Telemetry Curvy. Asian. Golf Balls. Celery.
I take it you not only haven't used, but haven't even *seen* Win10?
If your computer has an attached keyboard and you don't go well out of your way to do so, you will never see "Metro" in Win10. No full-screen Start, everything runs in a window, no Charms bar, no App Bar, etc. Windows Store apps (including the Store itself) now run in windows on the desktop. Title bars are visible at all times and can be dragged, edges can be dragged to resize, apps can be snapped with desktop apps, and so on.
Now, if your computer is a tablet without an attached keyboard, then yes, the OS will default to "tablet mode" with the full-screen apps and so on. You can tell it not to do so, though; it's a simple setting (Settings -> System -> Tablet Mode). You can change the current mode, the default mode, and whether it automatically switches depending on the hardware configuration.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
... in a tacit admission that it is time to stop feeding the trolls.
Like that would ever happen.
I would argue that telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about how well an operating system succeeds or fails in meeting the needs of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of non-technical end-users.
On one computer I upgraded, the two external monitors turned themselves off in the middle of the install, and wouldn't come back on. Only the laptop's own monitor continued to work. Worse, the ethernet driver failed to work. Reinstalling the drivers did restore network and displays, but it had me pretty concerned for a while.
On home versions, if you want to use Cortana, it replaces your desktop user name with your Microsoft account. On pro versions, it works as you would expect, you log in to Windows with your domain account, and Cortana separately keeps track of your Microsoft account. Sorry, I'm not switching my local login to be my Microsoft account!
There were rumors that Microsoft was working on a patch to fix this, but apparently that is not in SP1. (Oh, wait, it's not called SP1!)
Sex is necessary for continuing the race and creating the next generation of doctors, engineers, leaders, etc. It can also be delightful for its users.
Bit have sex without consent and you're (quite rightly) a criminal. Pressure someone into sex (such as putting them in a situation where they don't have a viable economic alternative) and you're pretty slimey. Don't act surprised when people get pissed about it, even if it's not technically illegal.
..than install Windows 10 on anything for any reason. They can shove their so-called 'OS' and their updates up their collective ass.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
But it docent fix the biggest security issue of Windows 10, spying on users...
My experience is that I let Windows install some updates and it took an hour and a half (on a modern SSD-backed system)... and it changed all my file type assignments. Every single file type that is supported by a Microsoft program was replaced with the Microsoft program. HTML files were changed from Chrome to Edge, TXT files changed from Notepad++ to notepad.exe, PDF files changed from Acrobat to Edge, all image files changed from Photoshop to Windows Photo Viewer, and so on. I was not amused.
Windows License fees for VM guest users should be either free or substantially cheaper.
We are not using the full hardware capability and generally only for a handful of apps that do not work in WINE well (Visual Studio, Adobe etc).
A Community edition like Visual Studio for Windows would be great, call it Windows VM Edition or Windows Community Edition.
What holds Microsoft back is their Licensing for edge cases, VM guest use is no longer the edge case it was maybe 5 or 10 years ago.
With the new Microsoft direction hopefully this will be realised, after all they are moving to the service based platforms and therefore are supporting hetrogenious client use.
Its not useful feedback if you cherry pick only the things you want to see or worse, use it to work out how to discourage use of the things you want to kill.
Left it on for the insider programme and they still went ahead with all that shit i never used but never fixed the stuff i did use. If telemetry was being used to improve win10 they'd have bought Classic Shell and built it into the os.
I upgraded to 10 as a favor for a friend. He asked me to test some software. Having news pushed to me in the start menu is certainly annoying, but that's not my problem with 10. It locks up inside 15mins Vista style.
I had Mint on this i3 laptop prior. No problems. I'm on vacation and I can't watch 15mins of a show before it's goodnight Gracie. I'm sorry, I wanted this to work. I really hoped it would be a solid MS release, you know, 7 just faster. No, not it. Shit bloat that is unusable. If this laptop was running XP I'd be in way better shape.
I'm the person that would sing from the tree tops if they put an operating system out that performed well. These new processors and ssd storage devices should mean blazing performance and responsiveness. WTF?
> I would argue that telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about
Don't care. My computer, my rules.
The problem isn't that they have telemetry. Honestly, the problem isn't even that it's on by default.
The problem is that you can't turn it off. That's massive and ludicrous.
You did not get modded down by shills. Shills rarely have accounts and very rarely have mod points.
Your post was incorrect. You stated that "Windows 10 requires SecureBoot, so you can't dual-boot Linux Mint with it."
Windows 10 requires SecureBoot. SecureBoot pre Windows 10, as part of the spec, required that you be able to disable it in the BIOS.
The latest update removes this requirement.
This is terrible news- but it does not mean that "you can't dual-boot Linux Mint". What it means is, any BIOS that offers SecureBoot- either the type you can set to "off" or the new type that pretty much literally just boots Windows- will be required.
If you buy a motherboard with SecureBoot, you can check to see whether it will allow it to be turned off or not, and not purchase it. This means you can still dual boot to Mint.
Now, obviously, this is a terrible policy on Microsoft's part, and it creates incentives for Microsoft to favor in some way manufacturers that make BIOSes that don't boot Linux. This is a worthy cause to rant about, and Microsoft is clearly trying to close ground with Oracle for Most Evilist Fuckers In Tech.
But your post was modded down because it made an incorrect assertion- that Windows 10 can't dual boot with Linux. It can.
And check my post history if you think I'm a shill. If I am, wow am I playing the long con.
I would argue that Microsoft's quality and design engineers will look at the telemetry data and go back to doing the same old shit they've been doing because customers are stupid and Microsoft knows best, and just pass the data off to Microsoft's marketers.
How many of the "spy" and "ad" settings were changed back to on after updating.
I started thinking about how difficult it might be to keep something the way you like it on Windows 10.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Windows 10 requires SecureBoot, so you can't dual-boot Linux Mint with it. Since Microsoft made me choose between them, I updated to Linux.
Wrong. Win 10 does not require Secure Boot. I have Mint 17.2 dual-booting with Windows 10 on a Dell Inspiron. You just have to turn off Secure Boot and install grub in the EFI partition.
Windows 10 keeps recognizing my touch pad as being made by Elan. When in fact it is synaptics. When the drivers are installed many features stop working (two finger scroll being one). Twice now I have to go and "HIDE" the update and the roll back the drivers.
telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about how well an operating system succeeds or fails
Or you could listen to your customers.
In other words, Microsoft wants free QA.
Hey, I'll go along with their telemetry if they want to pay me at contractor rates. $100/hour minimum.
I would agree with you. And a large percentage of user would agree to provide telemetry if it were really opt-in and they were sure that the data were properly anonymized. (i.e. it could be audited by an ordinary person) However, *force* telemetry is quite another issue. The very fact that it is forced implies that there isn't a benefit to the user (otherwise why not explain the benefit and make it optional) and so the negative knee-jerk reaction to want to disable it is the correct one. When tools (like Eclipse) ask for telemetry, I usually agree because I want the tools to improve. When telemetry is forced, I do my best to opt-out as there is good reason to believe that the purpose is nefarious.
Software is an infinite space problem. It means that there's no way you can test every possible input. No matter how good your QA is, users will do something that you didn't expect. Rather than try to test an infinite number of things, the focus should be on what users actually do. There's only one way to get this information. Microsoft might be willing to pay you to fix the bugs at contractor rate, but this is an automated tool to guide the process. I have no idea what motivates this type of thinking.
My PC won't boot since the Nov update and system restore fails at two points displayed. I'm a press n play kind of pc user...I use it to carry out home and work related admin. Now stuck and feeling grouchy about it. Can anyone help?
I'm now getting low memory errors?!? WTF I only have 12 g. Maybe that's the problem. It also deleted my file associations.
I recently got a Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 10 factory-installed. Installed Linux Mint Mate 17.2 a week ago. At first, the laptop wouldn't boot either OS, but disabling Secure Boot brought up Grub like a charm (no pun intended) and I now dual-boot Linux and Windows 10.
Then give technical users an option to turn it of.
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But Winter is coming.
Exactly! I wouldn't be so pissed off at Microsoft if they made all this shit optional, but making it mandatory I feel pushed around by a bully and also that they get so valuable from that that they can't allow users to disable it.
If they made all the things I dislike about Win 10 optional I wouldn't care they were offered, I might even use some of them
If I'm reading your post correctly, then it can happen in future that the choice of motherboards, where you can dual-boot, may be severely limited. Sort of like currently choice of notebooks with some Linux pre-installed is severely limited (mostly to low-end models). Did I understand you correctly? If yes, then it isn't really comforting.
Economics implies that they will heartily ignore the needs of the millions in favor of the billions, anyway. Extremely detailed information isn't much use when your market share is this large.
Remember, the ultimate end result after a decade of telemetry was... Windows 8.
Correct, and it's not comforting at all.
I know of 8-10 here that have accounts, 1 admitting to being a paid troll/shill (Cito) & several others who ONLY post M-F, never on weekends... told me ALL I needed to know (it's a JOB to them).
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P.S.=> Feel free to disagree, that's your right, but... I see what I see, & what I said = NO bullshit (some I know work for advertisers OR their affliates also, for a fact)... apk
I posted these links.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-to-make-the-secure-boot-alt-os-lock-out-a-reality/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/201722-linuxs-worst-case-scenario-microsoft-makes-secure-boot-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems
As well as the others here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8325039&cid=50926935
In response to the OP AC I said..
Yep. Looks like you're right.
You say...
You did not get modded down by shills. Shills rarely have accounts and very rarely have mod points.
Your post was incorrect. You stated that "Windows 10 requires SecureBoot, so you can't dual-boot Linux Mint with it."
Windows 10 requires SecureBoot. SecureBoot pre Windows 10, as part of the spec, required that you be able to disable it in the BIOS.
The latest update removes this requirement.
It was modded down by shills. My post was correct. I posted url's to arstechnica.com and extremetech articles that did the talking for me. They are correct... until...
The latest update removes this requirement
^ Based solely on you telling me. You cite nowhere where Microsoft said they changed this dickmove policy. (no need to look, I wouldn't use it anyway) How dickmove is it? I watched the whole process play out with the $99 fee to Microsoft for signed keys yadda yadda yadda with Windows 8 "Secure Boot". Redhat was ready to bend over like bitches and the shim stories all that. There is nothing secure about secure boot. Re-read what I said.
Also let me correct you. It is not BIOS, it is UEFI. If you mean UEFI, and state BIOS as if it's slang, ok I wouldn't nitpick you if you didn't nitpick me.
You correctly stated that it is a terrible policy on Microsoft's part, however, you are incorrect when you say...
Microsoft is clearly trying to close ground with Oracle for Most Evilist Fuckers In Tech
Microsoft have surpassed every other company globally for backstabs, including Oracle. Oracle pales in comparison to Microsoft. Windows itself is a global malware host. Microsoft has contracts to bundle OEM OS's on brand new PC's. They have done it for years as if it's some extraordinary feature for the benefit of mankind. Anti-trust lawsuits etc aside... they are now full blown global spyware. Keystroke logging and all the rest of it enabled by default... and they put the public on notice they won't disclose what is in new patches. I say patches when I mean "some new closed source code they want to install on your PC". It can be called anything like a font server patch for when users connect to a University in South Korea. Whatever. Sure 99% of it could hypothetically be innocuous but that 1%? What can they add to their full spyware OS? They can update to change ipv4/ipv6 spyware connections in case you blocked them as the links in my post detailed how to do.
Then there is your remark here.
But your post was modded down because it made an incorrect assertion- that Windows 10 can't dual boot with Linux. It can.
For them to change it to you can not boot without "Secure Boot" enabled... to you can still use "Legacy Boot"... tells a smart person a lot. For instance...
-We have spyware, we want it on as many devices as possible, so we better change that policy or more people will categorically reject our spyware. Done.
-There is no "Secure Boot" (bullshit name) option if your PC has older BIOS (not UEFI). We want our spyware on all devices so we better change that policy or more people will categorically reject our spyware. Done.
-In general terms people are aware that Windows 10 is the last OS and it is spyware, malware, and even adware. Many people know this. There are many people who use Linux/Android devices in home/commercial/enterprise environments. They know Linux/Android are very good and
Disabling secure boot means reinstalling Windows, which is a pain in the ass if you have been using it for a while.
Holly shit, my Chrome (x64) stopped opening pages, internal and external. I guess it's failing to launch content processes for them. Canary also doesn't work. But everything is fine in another machine which was updated directly to the 1511 from the 8.1. Back to 32 bit Chrome then.
If they want data from my PC, they need to pay for it. I don't know why you think they are entitled to get it for free.
I like Windows 10. It's the Windows that finally made me switch from Linux. 8 was a travesty. 8.1 was barely better. Windows 10 made a good desktop which didn't make you wonder if you were supposed to be on a tablet. I have a new i5-6500 with my OS on a SSD, so it took about 10-20 minutes to download and upgrade. It seems to boot faster, but honestly, if I didn't have a list of things that had changed, I wouldn't have noticed it. It didn't change my app associations, didn't mess with my OpenSuse Leap dual boot... things go on as before.
You don't even need to turn Secure Boot off: I have a laptop originally with Windows 7 installed, dual-booting with Lubuntu 14.04, and then did the upgrade to Windows 10 from within Windows 7. No problem, still boots Grub first, then if I select "Windows 7" on the Grub menu, it boots Windows 10.
I also installed Xubuntu on another laptop, which had been running the Windows 10 Technical Preview. All you have to do is use a x86_64 distro, and start it from the update/recovery setup where you can tell it to run a USB or CD ... installed no problem at all, since AFAIK Ubuntu variants are properly "signed".
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Yep. All of it. It had "desktop", "pictures", "music" all mapped. It had pretty much everything not OS related.
Look at it in Disk Manager, it's there, now called a "Healthy" primary RAW partition. Yay.
Why did Windows Update have to destroy my partition table? For real? Sigh. Now I'm off to try and figure out how to get everything back.
Boo Windows. Boo.
I do no appreciate Microsoft changing all my shortcuts privacy settings, views, drivers etc. to Microsoft's useless CRAP without my permission or even notifying me!!!!!!!