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Explosions and Multiple Shootings In Paris, Possible Hostages (cnn.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Multiple sources are reporting that at least 18 people are dead across three shootings in central Paris. The Associated Press reports as many as 26, as of this writing. Some victims were at a restaurant, while others were at a nearby theater. Early reports indicate there may be a hostage situation with more people at that theater. Police have also confirmed an explosion at a bar near Stade de France stadium, where a football match was underway between France and Germany. There are reports of other explosions heard at the stadium as well, but no details yet. "The attack comes as France has heightened security measures ahead of a major global climate conference that starts in two weeks, out of fear of violent protests and potential terrorist attacks." The attacks occurred not far from where the Charlie Hebdo shooting happened in January. "French news media reported that Kalashnikov rifles had been involved in the shootings — a favored weapon of militants who have attacked targets in France — and that many rounds had been fired."
Or... mass deaths in non-warzones are seen as more newsworthy than mass deaths in say... Syria.
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France is one of the top 5 arms exporters in the world (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31901493), they have a history of racial tension against immigrants (https://news.vice.com/article/france-is-getting-more-intolerant-and-racist-according-to-human-rights-report). You treat those beneath you like shit, and occasionally, people fight back. Those would be two motives, I'm sure there are more.
They want a caliphate across the ME, Africa and into Europe and beyond.
Moslems kill for 'allah'
The more infidels they kill the moslems are being told that their 'allah' will reward them with more virgins
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Yeah, that will surely endear the refugees to Europeans who already think that too many are coming. That's sure going to swing the mood here.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Frenchies are so far gone into liberal la-la-land that they'll probably find a way to blame themselves for the attacks. That's why they need American soldiers to stop attacks for them. The Frenchies were probably too busy running up to the terrorists apologizing.
Can you liberals please wake the FUCK up? I've enough of the stupidity of you liberals ! The shooters are yelling "Allahu Akhbar" and you goddamn liberals are blaming the French !!
This. Exactly this.
When I heard "shootings in Paris", I knew it was the work of our world-famous religion of peace.
It's time for the liberal bullshitters to stop their crap. Why isn't this happening in Israel? Because Israelis are allowed to carry as many weapons as they think they need to defend themselves.
The only thing that can stop a muslim with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.
And make no mistake: not all muslims are bad. But those who believe they are better than others, they are and should be shot on the spot.
Accidental deaths are always less newsworthy than intentional killings of the same scale. That shouldn't surprise any person with functioning cognitive faculties. There's no political motive behind a boat capsizing/bus crashing/whatever. Nobody has planned it and done it for a reason. There's just an accident cause and perhaps blame dodging to report on. Not to mention that there seems to be an ongoing hostage situation in this case. Furthermore, anything which happens frequently becomes "meta news" instead of unique events to report. There is no more of a double standard than perhaps that what happens closer to "home" (in our case on /. the Western world) is more interesting to us. Or do you think that this is covered just as extensively in Bangladesh and Mongolia as it is here?
To the point, militant Islam really, really wants to be in charge, which makes pretty much everyone in the world either an immediate target or a future target. It's odd that you don't seem to recognize that.
Militant Islam isn't a single entity, it's an ideology followed by many competing groups. The attacks happened because someone, or some group thought it would further there goals. They thought it would be a better use of resources than attacking the US, or Hungary, or keeping fighters in Syria (and they might be correct, or they might not be correct, but they thought it would be a good idea). So the real question is, who are these people making decisions, and why did they make those decisions? It's odd that you don't seem to recognize that.
That's like asking why the Nazis chose to invade Poland when they did, looking for some deep meaning or hidden complexity. They wanted to control it - along with everywhere else in the world. It was an easy target, so they hit it. When the goal is total subjugation of all targets, the rationale for which targets are selected first is sort of irrelevant.
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an attack during "Black Friday" might possibly cause a pretty serious disruption to the economy if an attack happened at a shopping mall. You could potentially scare away mall customers right when business wants them.
Directly attacking civilians instead of buildings would probably result in much of the population demanding that Islamic extremism be wiped off the face of the earth in a direct, brutal, completely unrestrained manner without regard for collateral damage. Meaning people in targeted countries would have one chance and only once chance to make the right choice. Side with us or side with the terrorists. If they choose poorly then no fucks would be given about what happens to them.
Until Paris conforms to Sharia? You must be dreaming dear...
The Moslem population is anywhere from 5% to 8% to the total French population. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
How many percent in Mosul support Daesh? How many of the Germans were truly Nazis and had a bone to pick with the Jews? The problem with militant fundamentalists is that they're willing to chop the head off anyone who sticks their neck out. And they're willing to sacrifice others to achieve their ultimate goals. If militant Islamists can cause enough terror to provoke counter-attacks by anti-immigration extremists you have 5-8% of the population caught between a rock and a hard place. When enough bad blood is spilled it doesn't matter, after WWII people hated all Germans even the ones who never took any part in the war and never wanted to. Strength in numbers is nice in a democracy, but when you're talking more or less an occupation cruelty, willingness to die and organized effort against individuals that want to be left alone means a small minority can set the agenda.
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Christians conveniently forget that their god started much of this mess when He told GWB to invade the middle east
It reqiures some magical thinking to believe that Christianity doesn't have blood on it's hands, but I guess that just goes with the territory.
France has really stringent gun control laws. That did not prevented Charlie Hebdo. That also did not prevented 11/13/2015 events in Paris.
What's your point? Do you want to go over the number of mass shootings in the US that also were not prevented by armed citizens?
Absolutely.
Death rate from mass shootings per million people:
Norway 2.04
Macedonia 0.377
Serbia 0.283
Slovakia 0.201
Finland 0.142
Belgium 0.138
Czech Republic 0.133
US 0.095
Yep, the highest death rate from mass shootings by population is Norway.
If you want to spout anti-US bullshit, it'd be best if it were fact-based and not pulled out of your ass.
I've had several problems with Muslims, even the less devout Muslims. My first encounter with Muslims was when we were at the age of 16-17. We went on our mopeds to a football game to play against a team that consisted of only Moroccans. After the game we wanted to got back to our mopeds to drive home, but we were waited by the opposing team. They claimed we were racist because one of them got a bruise on his shin. Well that happens when you play football (soccer for the Americans) and refuse to wear shin protection. At first they weren't allowed to play the game, there are rules against not wearing shin protection in football, but a few angry words later, the referee just stopped protesting to safe his face.
Well, one of them got a bruise and that was because we were racist. Before we could say anything we were beaten by 15-20 Moroccans and they managed to steal the keys of the mopes of some of us and drove away with them. That was my first encounter with Muslims.
My second encounter was when I was 18 years old. I went to my first party organized by a students organization of our college with a couple of friends. We had tickets and the venue was sold out. We went to the entrance but were halted by a few Moroccans who showed their knife and demanded our entrance ticket, our wallet and our cell phones. When I told him I didn't have a cell phone nor wallet (I put my money in my pocket), he hit me with his knife in my stomach. They ran away with a few tickets and some money and entered the party. My friends managed to warn the first aid who drove me to the nearest hospital (that was luckily for me only 2 km's away). It still have a thick scare on my belly, that often bleeds when I go for a run (20 years later now).
And than another encounter was with a colleague who seemed a nice person and with who I started to become friends. But this all changed when the 9/11 thing happened. I thought loud out how people could do such a thing in name of an entity that doesn't even exists. After this loud out thinking, he turned in to a mad man. He started shouting at me in some Turkish language and kept on shouting and even pushing me. A few hours later I had to go to the big boss to hear I was suspended and was fired a few days later for being racist.
Of course not all Muslims are bad. But I only knew one and I had 3 bad encounters with Muslims in my life. These were not 3 out of 1000, or 3 out of 100, but 3 out of 3. In one I almost lost my life, because I was slowly bleeding to dead if it weren't for the red cross who has to assist big parties. In another I lost my only means of transport when I was 17 and I had to ask mum or dad to bring me to sports school or regular school. In the last encounter I lost my job.
I simply can't help it anymore. I have some sort of trauma. It's like those people who don't trust dogs anymore because they have been bitten by a dog. I don't trust Muslims anymore, because I've been stolen from, almost killed and fired because of a Muslim.
I also hate the no go zone for non Muslims, only 6 km's from where I live (this was a housing project for the Muslims established 5 years ago, for Muslims only of course because it was to give people who don't want a loan because it is against their religion a house). Especially for me this is a problem, because I'm pale white, blond hair, blue/grey eyes, fairly large (1.92 m). From the moment I pass this neighborhood I get called names, sometimes they throw cans or carton boxes at me, or in other words, it's not fun to come in a place so close to home where you are hated.
I didn't watch television today, I was reading a book, when I heard people in a cars using their horns to express their joy. I looked out of the window and saw a bunch of multicultural enriching young people, but I didn't know why they did this. Maybe Turkey won their barrage football game, so I looked on the internet and noticed that Turkey didn't have to play a barrage game, but I noticed that there were at least 18 deaths in Paris at that time.
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It's kinda cheeky, you know...
We have an A-Bomb.
We have a way to deliver it.
They have a holy city.
At least for now...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Terrorism is a statistically completely irrelevant cause of death. 2014 was the most peaceful year in human history. Recently, only 0.9% of all deaths are violence related and there are indications this is on the decline. Life Expectancy is rising, Child Mortality is dropping and life seems to be moving on. Apart from Cancer, Heart, Lungs and stuff like Malaria, traffic is a big one we should be worried about, really. Having a staircase in one's house is, for instance, more dangerous than the notion of terrorism ever will be.
Now, here come the news outlets. Apart from all this "Educating and Informing The People", "Freedom of Speecht" and "Checks and Balances" bullshit, the press and media generally exist to make money. In some cases they even seem to exist for more Machiavellian purposes, but to make money is a biggie. So when something as statistically insignificant as a terror attack happens *Close By*, the news explodes. It's like a gigantic circle jerk in which everyone and their uncle needs to fill yards and yards of column space or air time to talk about What May Have Happened, Why It May Have Happened or What May Happen Next and Which Refugees To Treat Like Shit Because Of This.
So generally speaking, the Media seem to take events like this and add to the sense of fear that terrorists would have instilled in the citizenry. As such, I'm beginning to view the media as culpable in the problem of terrorism, because any wacko can get a world wide platform by misbehaving in an instant. Social media are even worse when it comes to knee jerk bullshit and mass panic.
Which leads me to Slashdot. I think Slashdot is a haven of alternative news which offers refreshing takes on things, interesting articles, sometimes brilliant and inspired discussions. It is a news aggregator / outlet that works differently, feels differently and makes me feel at home in more than a few ways.
I am sad to see that even here, there needs to be a discussion on Paris. I came here to avoid that news. Moreover, I came here to avoid certain discussions about Guns, Islam, The Administration and Refugees. Because these discussions are boringly predictable, polarised, fraught with no-fact-debates and generally just plain stupid.