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Ad Networks Using Inaudible Sound To Link Phones, Tablets and Other Devices (arstechnica.com)

ourlovecanlastforeve writes with a link to Ars Technica's report of a new way for ads to narrow in on their target: high-pitched sounds that can make ad tracking cross devices and contexts. From the article: The ultrasonic pitches are embedded into TV commercials or are played when a user encounters an ad displayed in a computer browser. While the sound can't be heard by the human ear, nearby tablets and smartphones can detect it. When they do, browser cookies can now pair a single user to multiple devices and keep track of what TV commercials the person sees, how long the person watches the ads, and whether the person acts on the ads by doing a Web search or buying a product.

223 comments

  1. Microphone access. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And why can a rogue website or app access the microphone? Oh yeah cuz android.

    1. Re:Microphone access. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh yeah cuz android.

      And cuz iPhone. It works on both.

      It works on both iOS and Androidd

    2. Re:Microphone access. by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Starting with Marshmallow, you can disable microphone access on an app-by-app basis.

    3. Re:Microphone access. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Guess you aren't aware of the "hey Siri!" function...

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    4. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Siri. Lets stop dumbing things down and naming things after people like that. Just call it assistant or voice search or something like that.

      Also, I have a friend named Suri, and half the time Siri gets confused for Suri. Sorry I'm not native speaker and I have bad accent (according to apple), but there's no excuse Apple. And maybe someone really has friend named Siri. At least OK Google isn't quite this bad.

    5. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Use cyanogenmod's privacy guard and you'll have more control than with iOS.

      Both are anti-user, but at least Android has the option of being much more secure (by rooting, modding, custom ROMs). Apple has everything locked down, and the user is a moron and can do nothing unless Apple allows it (and they usually don't, because "think different" or "the product is magical")

    6. Re:Microphone access. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Informative

      If an app wants microphone access in ios, it has to explicitly request it. You get a popup and have to ok it. If you don't, it doesn't have access. It can refuse to work, if it wants, but fuck them.

      Does that happen in Android? I feel it does not, and you probably can, in the latest version, explicitly disable mic access or something? An android user can correct me.

      I will say that questions like this:
      http://stackoverflow.com/quest...

      SO question:
      "
      1- I want to record.
      2- User disallowed.
      3- I want to record again.
      4- I call requestRecordPermission:
      5- It simply returns granted=NO (without prompting for permission)

      Can I prompt the permission Alert to user somehow?
      "

      Make me VERY happy to see answers like: "There's no way to do this"

      "I want to spam the user with access requests that are full screen OS level stuff until he says ok. How can I do this?" -> "Nnnnnnope!"

      Anyway, if Android doesn't do this, that's sad, and hopefully they will soon. If Android and Ios both do this, I don't see how most programs will be able to get mic access at all in the first place.

    7. Re:Microphone access. by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      Ios just disallows until you allow access explicitly, with a prompt. Does Android just grant permission by default?

      Either way, it sounds like there's a workaround on Android, and that this will have a very low success rate in ios.

      Also, just to be clear- "pairing" computer with phone, against my permission, with ultrasonic, is pig disgusting. There's absolutely no way that either Apple or Google should allow shit like this on their respective stores. This is vile spyware for certain.

    8. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If Google wasn't ruled by money-crazed assholes, you'd be able to control a lot more of the access that Apps have to services and information on 'your'phone.

    9. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...I have a friend named Suri.... I have bad accent (according to apple)....

      You're a minority case. You exist outside of Apple's limited (and non-configurable) boundaries. And that's it.

    10. Re: Microphone access. by meerling · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine has a seeing eye dog with that name.

    11. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately my Samsung S5 shipped with 5.0 so I can't root it. I do not use OK Google at all and have infrequently verbally asked for directions using Maps. I have Google(+) installed and now have everything either paused or turned off. Just installed MapFactor in lieu of osmand~ (also installed). Osmand does not tell me to get on the freeway. It says to turn only which makes NO sense. Well see if mapfactor can do better next time I go somewhere. I also have a win7 gps tablet with delorme but not so easy to grab and go with that. Open Google on droid and go through the menus to turn crap off. Sort of. Google can lick my balls in hell.

    12. Re:Microphone access. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the question is why does a phone intended for *human* consumption even allow frequencies beyond human hearing?

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    13. Re:Microphone access. by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google do this all the time. EVERY EFFING TIME you install an application from non google-play source, it asks whether you'd like google to scan your applications for potential threats. there's no "Decline forever" option. google treat themselves differently.

    14. Re:Microphone access. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Makes no sense, does it? It costs more money to make a speaker or mic that covers more octaves.

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    15. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why I gave up on that shitty... I's not even worth calling an OS... Ad-machine.

    16. Re: Microphone access. by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      i gave up on gapps (apps for google services). i run cyanogenmod without gapps with f-droid and amazon as my two package sources. if i need something from play store, i download it manually using RACCOON and install the apk. i use caldav-sync and carddav-sync to sync with google contacts and calendars.

      It is a radical improvement to my life. No google tracking, longer battery life, fast bootup, longer battery life, phone uses less memory and i have a longer battery life.

    17. Re:Microphone access. by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      In the past, you HAD to agree to permissions before installation. (unless you used cyanogenmod)

      now, in Android 6.0, it disallows everything and asks you the first time it needs to access something. if you grant the permission, it is granted until you manually revoke it. if you deny it, it is denied until next time. if you deny it second time, it is denied forever (or until you manually grant it again).

    18. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you want allow google to access your location?

      yes every time

      yes

      no

      there's no "never".

    19. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      But does it improve your battery life?

    20. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Phones and speakers cover frequencies beyond human hearing because they're physical objects. Making something that can record 16kHz with good fidelity but won't record 20kHz at all would actually be quite difficult. Did you know that some lossy audio codecs apply a 16kHz low pass filter to the audio signal? No? If that cutoff removed frequencies which many people can hear, everybody would know about it. Youtube does that, btw. In practice there are few people beyond their teenage years who can hear tones above 16kHz unless they're very loud, and even most teenagers can not hear 19kHz or higher. But the microphones in phones and tablets have no trouble picking that up.

    21. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it would if it ran linux....

    22. Re:Microphone access. by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Marshmallow does this in the same granular, on demand way as Apple. Earlier versions of Android present all the permissions at install time, and make it an all or nothing choice.

    23. Re: Microphone access. by guises · · Score: 1

      Google's not okay, but Amazon is just fine? I'm not sure I follow that. I just firewall my phone and don't let anything through except the web browser and the Humble Bundle app (for games). Games that I get through the Humble Bundle are ostensibly DRM-free (they're not doing as well with this as they used to) so it's not a problem that none of them have network access.

    24. Re:Microphone access. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Look up badbios at arstech. It appears that the mic is not even needed and Mac is just as exposed as pc without user interaction.

    25. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, but it definitely improves battery life instead.

    26. Re:Microphone access. by aix+tom · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure, but in my opinion the "no, never" would not make much sense from a security standpoint.

      Let's look at a "non-malicious" use case first:

      If for example you have an app that has a "find the next gas station" button, and the prompt is triggered by that.
      Would a "no, never" make sense in that context? After all, when I don't want the App to know where I am, why would I press the "find the next gas station" button in the first place?

      Then lets look at a "malicious" app case:

      If the App randomly wants access to your location for no apparent reason, my personal opinion is that the "never" button will just hide the fact that the malicious app is trying to access his location all the time. If the user gets the popup every 5 minutes he will probably decide "this App is crap" and uninstall it. If the malicious location-lookup is just silently ignored then the user might keep using the app, and who knows what other malicious tricks it's also trying.

      My personal "favourite" solution would be to just have the yes/no option in the simple OS prompt, and have the "yes, all the time" "no, never" options only in the OS administration interface for the app, but there with additional options to log/analyse the request that are made. So that the user isn't tempted to just klick "yes, all the time" for every app that is installed.

    27. Re: Microphone access. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Does she have a fringe on top?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    28. Re:Microphone access. by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      My first question along those lines, though, is how a phone that can do this at these frequencies, has such generally mediocre audio quality for *phone calls* over frequencies *within* the range of human hearing in the first place. It's as if the audio hardware wanted to have its own special communication mechanism that the meat-creatures couldn't hear, in return for having to play autotune and ringtones for most of its life.

    29. Re:Microphone access. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Quality. Quite simply. Speakers are not perfect right up to the point where they can't produce audible sound anymore. Even if you attempt to filter the sound and ignore the speaker issues you still have things like phase response altering well before the cut-off frequency. This is the reason CDs had 44.1kHz of bandwidth instead of just 40kHz which would in theory would be all that's needed for the limits of human hearing according to nyquist. It's also the reason why oversampling DACs product 96kHz or higher outputs. It allows for engineers to put filters at higher cut-off frequencies where it can have less of an impact for audible bands.

      That's the electric side of things. I guess the question would be why does this all matter on a phone, but the reality is that it would require specific engineering these days to work around it, rather they just take an off the shelf audio CODEC, throw it on their silicon and it already has performance beyond what is required.

    30. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xposed framework with the XPrivacy also allows you very fine control of permissions.

      But you need to root your Android to Install Xposed

    31. Re:Microphone access. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      No it doesn't. Going high in frequencies is simple. REALLY simple, and can be done even with the cheapest off the shelf small speakers.

      Covering a wider range of octaves towards the low end is the difficult part.

    32. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Open up the google settings app > security > uncheck scan device for security threats.

    33. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a moronic comparison. A allows better control (by doing something it doesn't allow). But B sucks (discounting the fact that you could do the same action to gain control of B).

      The vast majority of users on each system is a moron and wouldn't know how to do this on either system.

    34. Re: Microphone access. by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

      i don't have amazon's claws in my phone. i have one app from them - app store.

    35. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the iOS app has to be active. So even if you've mistakenly granted it permission, if it's not an app you're using it still doesn't work.

    36. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the early Android OS versions there was an App Ops control panel where you can explicitly toggle function access on a per application basis. It was removed in later versions. You can get it back by loading "APP OPS CENTER" which brings back the UI for App ops permissions control.

    37. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. People need to carefully consider the permissions apps request. If there is no need for the permission why does , say, the accuweather app need access to my microphone and contact list?) then move on to another app. There ARE apps out there which don't ask for any permissions and a lot which ask only for a few. Choose them.

    38. Re:Microphone access. by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Making something that can record 16kHz with good fidelity but won't record 20kHz at all would actually be quite difficult.

      Not difficult, but would cost a little more.

    39. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think so. It would be easy to electronically filter out anything above a given frequency, and that's exactly what every AD converter does, but to build a microphone which won't even record those frequencies in the first place would be difficult.

    40. Re:Microphone access. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Also, just to be clear- "pairing" computer with phone, against my permission, with ultrasonic, is pig disgusting.

      Also, just to be clear- "pairing" computer with phone, against my permission, with ultrasonic, is CRIMINAL disgusting. Let's not insult the pigs...

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    41. Re: Microphone access. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      i gave up on gapps

      Have you tried TK Gapps? It's the direct successor to PA Gapps. I run Cyanogenmod with TK Gapps' "Pico Modular Package" and I'm quite pleased with it:

      "This package is designed for users who want the absolute minimum GApps installation available. In this package you will find the core Google system base, Google Play Store, Google Calendar Sync, and the following Play Store application: Google Play services"

    42. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not CyanogenMod.... I have that shit turned off

    43. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, don't come bashing unfounded assumptions by bringing sound logic and facts to the table, that's just plain rude!

    44. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because POTS is a shitty protocol and must be, to allow for backward compatibility with ... everything. Use FaceTime Audio, Skype Audio, or anything similar and you'll see that the phone isn't the problem: all those protocols sound great. It's the old phone protocol that demands that the signal suck.

    45. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can disable it. See 'Turn app verification on or off' on https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/2812853?hl=en

    46. Re:Microphone access. by Intron · · Score: 1

      Starting with Marshmallow, you can disable microphone access on an app-by-app basis.

      Starting with Marshmallow, you have a setting that claims you can disable microphone access on an app-by-app basis.

      FTFY

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    47. Re: Microphone access. by chihowa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amazon's app store doesn't run as a system application and can't do much of anything without explicit user permission. Google's app store is tied in with Google Play Services and runs as a system application that can do whatever it wants on your phone whenever it wants.

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    48. Re:Microphone access. by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Android Marshmallow has completely revamped the permission model so that permissions are explicitly requested the first time they are needed and can be denied individually. It was possible prior to that to block the usage of certain elements of the phone, but that took more work than most people would've bothered with.

    49. Re:Microphone access. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      If he gets the pop up over and over again then at some point he will likely either goof and hit ok or give up and hit ok. Especially if they are not savvy about this. Will the app ask again later, do you want to keep giving the app your location? Umm no. Did you know that iOS does this at the system level, with occasional pop ups saying that an app has continued to access your app in the background, do you want it to keep doing that? Also iOS has three location options, no/yes when the app is open in the foreground/yes all the time. And they are pushing apps away from the third option.

    50. Re:Microphone access. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Can you summarize here how it would work without a mic?

    51. Re: Microphone access. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Are you tom criuse? And I don't know anybody names siri.

    52. Re:Microphone access. by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      I'll kick your fucking head in, you fat Alaskan asshole.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    53. Re:Microphone access. by clarkn0va · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for all phones, but in Cyanogenmod 12.1 (based on Android 5.1) I can go into Settings > Apps > [Specific App], and in the permissions section, touch the Modify button and there set specific permissions to "Allow", "Ignore" or "Always Ask".

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    54. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i gave up on gapps

      Have you tried TK Gapps? It's the direct successor to PA Gapps. I run Cyanogenmod with TK Gapps' "Pico Modular Package" and I'm quite pleased with it:

      "This package is designed for users who want the absolute minimum GApps installation available.
      In this package you will find the core Google system base, Google Play Store, Google Calendar Sync, and the following Play Store application: Google Play services"

      (my emphasis)

      I believe the grandparent wanted to avoid tracking and that it's exactly Google Play Services which delivers this. The question is how do you run basic google applications without having the tracking. It seems that the only way is to activate everything Google and then turn off tracking settings. At this point Google will pinkie promise not to track you since their buddies in the NSA and GCHQ will do that directly themselves.

    55. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to love knowing that I could hear shit others couldn't, like the high pitch sound from a CRT TV turned on somewhere in the house. I'd walk in the front door, knowing the TV was on and likely muted, tilting my head like a dog. Ah, the joys of youth...

    56. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and what are the names of these 67 apps that use this bastards' technology

    57. Re:Microphone access. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Think about it: how can we retaliate by saturating the adware system with phony results?

    58. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you 6 years old? Do you flop on the floor kicking and screaming when mommy won't give you a lollipop? Swearing at someone, calling them names, and threatening violence on someone because you don't agree with something they said shows you have the maturity of a 6 year old, The way you acted shows you more than likely have mental health issues. Why don't you grow up and have a debate without slinging shit like a monkey when you experience the slightest amount of resistance to your way of thinking?

    59. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Making something that can record 16kHz with good fidelity but won't record 20kHz at all would actually be quite difficult."

      You seem to have teleported from the 70s. First of all, welcome to 2015. Second, we've had much much sharper filters than that for decades.
      Moreover, todays most common AD-DA converters are at least 24 bits by 96kHz. It has become trivial to convert ultrasonic frequencies.
      And lossy codecs remove the top end to reduce data, not because filtering is difficult.

    60. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well of course it improves battery life.

      Is there a "runs on OS startup" option for IOS apps? I don't think so, but it exists for Android. So you have these useless apps sitting around doing nothing but spying on you, transmitting data about you to the mothership server and of course, wasting your battery's energy.

      When an app notifies you, iOS beeps and briefly shows you the app message before going back to sleep. Android OTOH keeps showing you notification for hours with a fade in/fade out effect until you respond to the notification and wastes even more battery energy. Who designed this crap?

    61. Re:Microphone access. by Prune · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, I'm in my mid-30s and I can still hear 17 kHz, and I know others in my age range who have even better hearing. I'm pretty sure most of us who didn't spend their 20s in loud nightclubs or concerts (at least not without musicians' earplugs), or nowadays blasting headphones directly into our ears, still have good high frequency hearing for another couple of decades.

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    62. Re:Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not talking about filtering, but about the actual microphone.

    63. Re:Microphone access. by swillden · · Score: 0

      here's no "Decline forever" option.

      You can disable it. See 'Turn app verification on or off' on https://support.google.com/acc...

      Note that this is a bad idea, unless you're really careful about the apps you install.

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    64. Re:Microphone access. by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      We can't.

      It's technically possible, but it would almost need to be a DDOS (illegal) to work.

      If it isn't a DDOS, but instead it floods it with enough data to make their ads non-targeted, they have two responses:

      One, they can go public, claiming that a broad based group of people are doing this. They'll claim it doesn't affect their ability to actually serve effective ads (whether it does or does not), and they will get massive publicity and credibility.

      Second, they can ignore it and pretend it isn't happening, and use all the extra "data" they have as proof that they are serving a lot of ads and linking a lot of things- this would allow them to sell their service more.

      There's no way to beat this through an action like that.

    65. Re: Microphone access. by guises · · Score: 1

      Amazon's app asks every time it wants to access something? That's not how apps work on my phone - they just ask for blanket permissions once at install and then they do whatever they want after that. If you don't grant them permission to do whatever they want then they don't install. Here, I downloaded the Amazon Appstore App just to see what you're talking about. Thought maybe I had misjudged it for a second there. This is from the AndroidManifest. I see it demands your location, ability to send SMS, network access (this is expected, but is notable when combined with reading your location), and the ominous COLLECT_METRICS, but I don't know exactly what that one means:

      permission android:name="com.amazon.mShop.android.permission.C2D_MESSAGE" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mShop.android.permission.C2D_MESSAGE"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.android.launcher.permission.INSTALL_SHORTCUT"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.android.launcher.permission.READ_SETTINGS"/
      uses-permission android:name="amazon.permission.COLLECT_METRICS"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.READ_CONTACTS"/
      uses-feature android:glEsVersion="0x20000" android:required="true"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.settings.provider.CONTENT_PROVIDER_ACCESS" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.SEND_SMS"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.INSTALL_PACKAGES"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.DELETE_PACKAGES"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.GLOBAL_BROADCAST_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.android.launcher.permission.UNINSTALL_SHORTCUT"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.GLOBAL_BROADCAST_com.amazon.mShop.android"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.settings.SETTING_CHANGE_BROADCAST_PERMISSION" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.settings.SETTING_CHANGE_BROADCAST_PERMISSION"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.dcp.settings.permission.READ_SETTINGS" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.dcp.sso.permission.account.changed"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.download.CONTENT_PROVIDER_WRITE_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.INTERNET"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE"/
      uses-permission android:name="android.permission.WAKE_LOCK"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.android.amazon.dcp.ota.permission.INSTALL_PACKAGES"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.INSTALL_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.INSTALL_com.amazon.mShop.android"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.CONTENT_PROVIDER_WRITE_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.CONTENT_PROVIDER_WRITE_com.amazon.mShop.android"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.KICKOFF_INSTALL_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.KICKOFF_INSTALL_com.amazon.mShop.android"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.RECEIVE_INSTALL_STATE_com.amazon.mShop.android" android:protectionLevel="signature"/
      uses-permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.install.RECEIVE_INSTALL_STATE_com.amazon.mShop.android"/
      permission android:name="com.amazon.mas.client.CONTENT_PROVIDER_READ

    66. Re: Microphone access. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      No, it's the network and the codecs.
      Plain old telephone service running on hundred year old copper buried in the ground sounds amazing compared to a call placed to/from a cell phone.

    67. Re:Microphone access. by purplie · · Score: 1

      Mostly likely the vector would be a Trojan that legitimately requires the microphone, like an oral translation app.

    68. Re:Microphone access. by antdude · · Score: 2

      And noth Windows phones?

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    69. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still firewall gplay services, only allowing it when updating/installing apps.

      As long as you use gmail or hangouts or gmaps, they've tracked you anyway.

    70. Re:Microphone access. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      but even in that case, android is more toxic than iOS, because iOS apps have restrictions and warnings on background functions. For example, anytime the microphone is being used in the background, a big red band appears on top and if you click on the band it takes you direct to the app. in android, you can have rogue apps listen in the background and report back everything you say (actually, this is Google's business model).

    71. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been patching my CM installations since 2012 with various permissions management hacks. Currently the best one out there is: https://github.com/M66B/XPriva...

      Compiling everything is a pain in the ass, but you only have to do it when you want to upgrade phones or upgrade your OS version. That doesn't happen often for me. I've locked mine down, hacked out all the google apps, I only use fdroid for apps, and I might grab a playstore app now and then using: http://apps.evozi.com/apk-down... if I am absolutely desperate.

      The only two apps on my phone with microphone access are my camera app and my phone app. You can lock things down really tight between the permissions control and a good firewall app of your choice.

    72. Re: Microphone access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks harmless to me! Not sure what on earth you're worried about there. =)

  2. But they say adblock is bad by geekd · · Score: 5, Informative

    They pull crap like this and then have the gall to say adblock users are evil?

    1. Re: But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adblock is bad. Use host files ;) (apk, that's your cue)

    2. Re: But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case they are right, at least partially. While adblock works just fine on your computer, the hosts file is the only way to block ads in Android (and presumably iPhone/iPad) apps. Of course, using a hosts file requires rooting.

    3. Re:But they say adblock is bad by xushi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They're half right.

      *Adblock* is evil ("acceptable" ads, the sale of Adblock, etc).

      I've uninstalled it from any/all browsers for the whole family, and replaced that with uBlock (and uMatrix / Ghostery / Privacy Badger)

    4. Re: But they say adblock is bad by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Use a DNS server and block there.

    5. Re:But they say adblock is bad by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

      Although I as far as I'm aware, none of my microphones in any of my devices a nearly high enough quality to pick up frequencies that high, in fact, my current PC mic tops out at 16 KHZ.

      So I'm not too worried about it, but at the same time, and you wonder why we are tired of all adds and block the shit out of ut.

    6. Re:But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My virus scanner has frequently picked up on virusware trying to come in through pop-up and banner adverts. Another reason to use ad-blockers.

    7. Re:But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say Adblock users are un-american cyber-terrorist digital-communist moochers. Nobody said they were evil.

    8. Re:But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ghostery isn't as benign as you believe it to be. IIRC they're selling user data or something.

    9. Re:But they say adblock is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uBlock has a suspicious past and is not trustworthy. Better to stick with Adblock Plus than put that trash on there.

  3. Poor dogs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't you think?
    Enough with the pollution already!

  4. Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by dmomo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IANAL, but I was wondering if this would be illegal under wire-tapping laws. A quick glance over the code (18 - US 2511) actually specified "oral" not "audio" communication. Would this then be exempt?

    I suppose any app that takes advantage of this would have a disclosure about the recording buried deep in its legalese.

    1. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      I suppose any app that takes advantage of this would have a disclosure about the recording buried deep in its legalese.

      More likely the app author has no clue what's going on, and merely uses a 3rd-party library to provide advertising, and the 3rd-party library is doing these shenanigans secretly for its own benefit.

    2. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Except that everything is legal if you put it in the right obfuscated terms of service.

    3. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random people who walk by haven't consented to being recorded. Of course, advertisers already have legal staff to determine these two-party consent states, right?

    4. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably, investigating this is illegal under DMCA. The sound waves may be analog, but it's source and waveform is digital. Everything is analog at its very core.

    5. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you know, walking by is a form of click-wrap agreement.

    6. Re:Exempt from wire-tapping laws? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but I was wondering if this would be illegal under wire-tapping laws. A quick glance over the code (18 - US 2511) actually specified "oral" not "audio" communication. Would this then be exempt?

      Given that they're picking up anything happening in the room, including any conversations you may be having, I'd guess that it would be covered by the law. The fact that they're (claiming to be) discarding much of the data they're collecting doesn't give them a free pass.

      Obvious disclaimer: IANAL.

  5. Sigh... by eth1 · · Score: 1

    Time for a new hardware-based ad blocker...

  6. What microphone? by sgunhouse · · Score: 1

    The summary mentions tablets repeatedly, but none of mine even have a microphone. So how does that work?

    1. Re: What microphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There was a study last year that proved that the accellerometor can also be used as a microphone

    2. Re:What microphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most modern ones have cell phone features built in also.

    3. Re:What microphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cheap car has a built in cell phone that tattles how far I've driven and so on. Very annoying.

    4. Re:What microphone? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Well, presumably it wouldn't. Many tablets do have a mic.

    5. Re:What microphone? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Read this.

        http://arstechnica.com/securit...

      It is possible that they are using the same technique.

    6. Re:What microphone? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      +1 Yes, what links ads over a distance should now help readers understand the more interesting covert air gap options going back a few years :)

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  7. old tech, new toy by Mystic+Pixel · · Score: 1
    So this has been happening on commercial radio stations for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The only difference is that then, you were explicitly aware of it and consented to carrying around the device.

    News flash: carrying around a cellular-connected computer in your pocket, and trusting applications that you can't verify, puts you at risk for THINGS HAPPENING. Discuss.

    1. Re: old tech, new toy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah, but one thing I don't get: doing a web search to act on something in an ad? Who does that? I ignore all ads unless I'm specifically looking for them, like in a magazine or website devoted to a hobby where I might actually want to buy something. Otherwise they're annoying things that make noises I don't listen to and artificially constrain the size of whatever I'm looking at on a web page.

      Kinda like the annoying pop-up ad underneath the box I'm entering this comment in on my phone. Hey Dice: doesn't work, except to piss me off.

  8. First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Mics don't pick up ultrasonic
    2. Speakers don't reproduce ultrasonic
    3. And even if these somehow did, Nyquist already limits it all

    Look at a high-end mic's response curve. Most barely get above 16 kHz, after which they drop off very fast. Compare that to any system that may be attached to a computer. Same for a loudspeaker. High-freqs are directional, meaning if you get off-axis even a little, even more drop-off. All BULLSHIT. The internet at play and the eager ignorants ready to believe anything it proclaims.

    1. Re: First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Finally someone who is making sense. Besides some people can hear up to 16 or 17 khz. Most speakers and mics stuggle to get there efficiently.

    2. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Mystic+Pixel · · Score: 4, Informative

      So your mic has a -3db point at 16k? OK, so all that means is your signal is attenuated.
      Solution: BPF and amplify. Nothing of interest in that range, so collateral (spectral) damage is unimportant. Add a dash of modern DSP and blizzow!
      Please retake Signals & Systems and then try again, thanks.

    3. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it's far easier than you are trying to make it and it all hinges on the fact that all we need is to send a few digits. For very low bitrates you can get away with ridiculously low SNR.

    4. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fifty years ago you would have been quite right but unfortunately the tech has been getting better. (Did I just write that?) Nowadays, speakers can easily reproduce sounds that are inaudible to the majority of the population and microphones can pick them up. Not with the fidelity of audible sound, but they aren't interested in recording hifi audio anyway. To make matters worse, we've gotten a lot better at performing mathematical tricks in software to make signals more robust against distortion. You say it cannot be done, but companies are in fact already doing this and these things are already out there, I'm sorry to say.

    5. Re:First... BULLSHIT by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      There's some theories about computers that transmit across airgaps using this method, like in stuxnet level command and control scenarios, but I doubt that it's something typically needed to be worried about.

      Importantly though- isn't this a real company with a real thing? Are you claiming this is manufactured outrage to get attention? I mean, I didn't even stop to think that it might not be real. Strikes me as totally real. If it's physically impossible as you say, then "we are all of us deceived", sure. But not having expert knowledge about the transmission, it doesn't strike me as bullshit in the slightest.

    6. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, nyquist frequency is 22khz at most for a smartphone mic, I'm guessing...

    7. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can, and you don't need to trust me on that. Just open your favorite sound editor on your PC, create a 19kHz sine wave. Play it and look for it with your favorite spectrum analyzer app on your phone. You won't hear it, but you will clearly see it in the spectrum, absolutely no doubt about it.

    8. Re: First... BULLSHIT by interiot · · Score: 1

      Also, why wouldn't motivated advertisers identify multiple devices based on Facebook logins or the like? People often login to the same services on all their devices, and I imagine that those services are happy to increase their ad revenue by selling more detailed user data to advertisers.

    9. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some theories about computers that transmit across airgaps using this method, like in stuxnet level command and control scenarios, but I doubt that it's something typically needed to be worried about.

      These are not theories, it has been demonstrated in practice. http://www.gizmag.com/malware-jump-air-gap/30056/

    10. Re:First... BULLSHIT by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Most phones will be using a 48kHz sample rate, so the Nyquist limit will be slightly below 24kHz. Plenty of room for ultrasonic signals there. If it worries you, get a dog. If its ears prick up when you're using certain apps, you know you're being tracked.

    11. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Nyquist isn't what you think it is. Try doing a little reading on it. And as for the speaker/mic claim, again, go and look at what devices are being used, fool. They do not have to reproduce or detect accurately to register. Durr. But keep pretending to know what you're talking about. You're less informed than a tech mag / blogger.

    12. Re:First... BULLSHIT by kipsate · · Score: 1

      It's bullshit because why use ultrasound? I'm sure the sound of a commercial playing can be recognized from the commercial itself, just like Shazam can recognize a song. And to make things easier just embed a very recognizable sound in the commercial that is not annoying but is sure to be picked up and recognized.

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    13. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just tried it. geeking out. it works.

    14. Re:First... BULLSHIT by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      It's bullshit because why use ultrasound? I'm sure the sound of a commercial playing can be recognized from the commercial itself, just like Shazam can recognize a song. And to make things easier just embed a very recognizable sound in the commercial that is not annoying but is sure to be picked up and recognized.

      Yes, exctly. I wish I had mod points. The premise of this is so stupid. If the app already has access to the microphone, then just listen to the commercial itself. The ultrasonic part is going to be so hit or miss. It's not a sound that the broadcast and TV is explicitly trying to reproduce, so it's going to be EXTREMELY hit or miss. Just think about the sound the TV is actually trying to intentionally reproduce, and how much it varies depending on different factors.
      1) audio compression method
      2) volume
      3) type of speakers
      4) the acoustics of the tv/cabinet the speakers are enclosed in
      5) distortion characteristics of the amplifier circuitry
      6) the shape and furnishings of the room
      7) your position within the room

      and probably more that I'm not thinking of. Then add in for your phone detecting that normal range of sound

      8) materials between the speaker and the microphone (is the phone in your pocket? is your hand obscuring the microphone?)
      9) other sounds within the room, airplanes flying by, etc
      10) The characteristics of the microphone within the phone

      Then you go to ultrasonic...a range that hasn't been explicitly designed for, and every one of those above factors gets magnified.

      And to make it all even stupider...they think this is a way to link multiple devices together by virtue of them hearing the same ad? LOL...if they are able to overcome all of the above obstacles and actually detect the sound from 2 different devices, how are they going to know these aren't 2 entirely different people in different houses watching the same TV channel? I've got a much better method of correlating devices...by IP address. Most people have their phones set to connect to wifi in their house, and most people will have all devices NATed to a single IP.

      I suppose it all might someday be possible to pull off this ultrasonic stuff. It's also possible I'll some day be able to travel to china by means of digging my way there. But just as it's always going to be quicker/easier for me to just take a plane to China, I'm pretty sure the commercial detection and device correlation will always be easier to accomplish with methods other than the ultrasound method.

    15. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or you could run a spectrum analyzer and not have to feed and care for it for 10-15 years.

    16. Re:First... BULLSHIT by jtara · · Score: 1

      Most people can't hear 16kHz. If you are an adult, you can't hear that.

      When I was a kid, I could hear the 15.750 kHz from TV flyback transformers. Some kids could hear it. Some kids couldn't.

      They are brief tones, I would, not easily noticed. And if you can hear that high, you are used to hearing all sorts of strange sounds and tend to ignore them. Like TV flyback transformers. OK, maybe not so much any more...

      Douchebags who do this don't care if they annoy some kids and dogs with some brief sounds. It's not as if they are trying to hide anything. They are proud of what they have done, and open about it.

    17. Re:First... BULLSHIT by jtara · · Score: 1

      I imagine what they are calling "ultrasonic" isn't really very high frequency. 16kHz is good enough.

    18. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "1. Mics don't pick up ultrasonic"

      Mine most certainly do Webcameras are susceptible to this. Turn on a fluorescent T5 lamp next to a webcam with a microphone. You won't hear that ballast, but your microphone most certainly will and can create beat frequency oscillations that become audible to the rest of your listeners.

      "2. Speakers don't reproduce ultrasonic"

      Yes, they do. Piezo-electric speakers do wonderfully at this, in fact, which is why they're used in ultrasonic pest repellent devices.

      "3. And even if these somehow did, Nyquist already limits it all"

      Not even close. Please retry when you understand more basic physics and signalling.

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    19. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Most people can't hear 16kHz. If you are an adult, you can't hear that."

      I can still hear the flyback transformers from old CRTs.

      I'm 33 years old.

      http://onlinetonegenerator.com...

      I stopped being able to hear at ~19Khz.

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    20. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on earth would my dog's ears prick up? Unless the app can dispense treats, my dog won't react at all. On the other hand, I suppose a dog could be trained to react to human inaudible events, which could come in handy.

    21. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't hear it,

      The hell I won't. It's fucking annoying, just like those "mosquito" ring-tones the kids think adults can't hear.

    22. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Guessing the sampling would be 48khz or so, so you have bandwidth going to 22khz before aliasing kicks in. Plenty of room for ultrasonics, though you may annoy kids and dogs if you play them too loud.
      2. For heavily attenuated signals you can pick up below the noise floor if you are looking for a known signal - which you are. For a fixed frequency sine wave a simple correlator (precisely what they use in radio telescopes to extract hydrogen emission spectral lines below the noise floor) run for a sensible period would suffice.
      3. The real limit would be how many bits you can get from your adc, but even there in principle there are ways to take advantage of ambient noise to get your signal through.

      That said: why not just use digital watermarking instead? It's a bit more processor intensive, but arguably harder to detect, next to impossible to filter, and no need to make assumptions about sampling frequencies and such. And most modern smartphones should have enough grunt to do it.

    23. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You apparently have never owned a spectrum analyzer. :)

    24. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not bullshit:

      "June 18 2014: SPH0641LU4H-1 Operating at ultrasonic frequencies of up to 80 kHz, Knowles’ digital MEMS microphone assists smart phones and other consumer electronics with touchless gesture recognition, phone-to-phone data transmission, pen-input compatibility for handsets and tablets, and 3D positioning input."

      These are more expensive versions, but the bulk tape versions cost about $5.00 in small quantities.

      They include two mics one covers 10Hz to 10KHz, the other covers 10Khz through 80Khz. Miniature speakers have no problem whatsofuckingever producing ultrasonic tones... Why? Because they have to fit into small devices, and have small mass. The only thing hampering ultrasonic output is the aliasing filter on the DAC... well that is easy to adjust, or to ignore. As others point out the filter simply applies a little attenuation to the output. Typical DAC/ADC 192Khz sample rate will easily support 80Khz output without distortion.

      cap == 'mealtime'

    25. Re:First... BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or put a low-pass filter on your TV speakers ...

  9. Ultrasonic jammer by CaptQuark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like it might be time for an Ultrasonic Jammer in my house. They have them to supposedly keep pests away. I'm sure it would blanket the area and disrupt any ultrasonic tracking. Hopefully they won't bother the family pets too much. http://amzn.to/20SJgu6

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    1. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      If these ads use the same frequency range as those "ultrasonic" mosquito repellants, they're only ultrasonic to people whose hearing has started to deteriorate. I can hear them just fine, thank you.

    2. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well you do kinda bug me.

      Thanks folks I will be here all week.

    3. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No, they are ultrasonic to everyone who has not 'special ears'.
      If you truely can hear anti mosquito noice I would go into a research center, and ask what they pay for investigation.
      I for my part can hear bat communication sounds, nut mot their echo location sounds. And I doubt any human can, and that includes ... cough cough ... anti mosquito sounds ... as they basically mimic bats echolocation and scare the mosquitos away.
      I know no other person that has ears like mine, nor does any of the few ear doctors I visited. Unfortunately not spectacular enough to get introduced into a research program ;)
      And I'm nearly 50, so chances are, my ears are already detoriated.

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    4. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... whose hearing has started to deteriorate.

      Hearing starts to deteriorate about age 24, IIRC. There is a 'mosquito' ring-tone that supposedly only teenagers can hear; it was even on an episode of 'Law & order'.

      ... "ultrasonic" mosquito repellants ...

      Humans tend to have poor hearing for a mammal and cannot hear true ultrasonic tones. They also have no large teeth, claws, or horns, nor defenses against animal attack.

    5. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      I am kind of suspect about the whole thing being a marketing scam targeted at investors. Nearly everyone carries electronic devices, hence you create a massively contaminated data base, with false links created from device to device. Sure for spy vs spy crap, tracking a device and it's contacts with other devices but even then how brief and how often ie catch public transport with a long route and end up with hundreds even thousands of connections to people with no association (over a year hundreds of thousands of connections). To task associate means basically doing the M$ windows 10 thing and spy on everything the devices they control are doing with direct hard wired links into the OS for all those devices, key loggers, application controls, microphone, camera, motion sensors, network interactions, basically monitoring every possible interaction with the device they own and control, that you only pretend to own and control.

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    6. Re:Ultrasonic jammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, has anyone investigated if our tv/stereo/whatever speakers can even output these ultrasonic frequencies?

      if they can't ... then this is all theoretical/moot

    7. Re: Ultrasonic jammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they can, you just can't hear them.

  10. Sure glad I don't have any of those! by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Don't have a smartphone, don't have a tablet, and don't even have a microphone on my desktop machine -- and now, even less interested in ever owning any of those than I was five minutes ago. For the rest of you, I'd suggest hacking into your TV or home theatre receiver, and putting a lowpass filter in all the baseband audio lines so these 'inaudible' signals won't get passed through to the speakers.

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    1. Re:Sure glad I don't have any of those! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes, just dont network the new smart display. Sneaker net to it using the USB or other input options :)
      The classic early phone home with a file list aspect was creative and now this :)

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:Sure glad I don't have any of those! by MacDork · · Score: 1

      Don't have a smartphone, don't have a tablet, and don't even have a microphone on my desktop machine... For the rest of you, I'd suggest hacking into your TV

      Pfft, this guy. I don't even have a TV. Turn in your /. paranoid card.

      ;)

    3. Re:Sure glad I don't have any of those! by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Just because I'm naturally paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me, and by the way it's Obsessive Compulsive Order, get it right. XD

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    4. Re:Sure glad I don't have any of those! by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      I submit to slashdot via their PostalPost(TM) feature. That's why my posts are always at least a day late! :D

  11. how high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can any of those devices actually play anything at that pitch? I guessed that most of those cheapo speakers were rated 20-20k, with a more likely band at 120-17k

    1. Re:how high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can. See http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/15/2121214/sonar-software-detects-laptop-user-presence

    2. Re: how high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what band, but gooogle's nearby API specifically allows for ultrasonic communication channels between devices. Looks like they can include iOS devices on the network as well. Google plans to use it for non Wi-Fi connections to Chromecast.

      http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/26/5846726/chromecast-will-use-ultrasonic-sounds-to-connect-nearby-devices

    3. Re:how high? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      The small speakers in phones would have no problems at high frequencies, its the low frequencies that require big speakers. I'd be surprised if any phone speakers were rated 20-20k at +/-3dB, more like 200-20k probably.

  12. What if... :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if all the supposed research about advertising being relavent is just plain wrong.
    TRILLIONS of dollars down the drain.
    LOL, SUCKERS!

    PS: Not once have I ever bought any specifically advertised product... advertising is a cheesy subliminal turnoff full of superlative untruths. Have I been made aware that a specific class of product exists, yes, bought a particular advertised product within that, no.

  13. Again, RTFA... by Y.A.A.P. · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you RTFA, you'll note that no one actually says this is happening yet.

    This is about a complaint filed with the FCC to prevent the use of this technology. One company, SilverPush, is cited as having developed the technology and details about it are in the public view, but that's the only case where there's even anything to cite about this form of intrusive technology.

    You can let your hackles go back to their normal position now.

    1. Re:Again, RTFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is about a complaint filed with the FCC

      FTC, not FCC.

  14. hmm by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    yeah, and I'm sure that everyone's devices will be operating so in spec, and the algorithms designed so carefully, that there will never be any possibility that the harmonics bleed over into the audible and drive everyone within hearing distance nuts with the annoying sounds? Great idea!

  15. This is why ADBlock exists... by BeCre8iv · · Score: 1

    People who design, build and profit from things like this do not deserve to eat, pay rent and taxes or... erm... breathe.

    And neither do the sites that advertise this way.

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  16. What is all that data good for? by grumbel · · Score: 2

    News about ad networks doing evil tracking and such comes up all the time, but I have to wonder what all that data is any good for? I don't use ad block and yet all the ads I see tend to be either be pretty unimpressive and untargeted. They might know that I am male and they might be clever enough to show video games advertisement on a video game site, but that's about it. In a lot of ways the targeting makes the ads actually worse, as they end up covering a far narrower range of products and lead to a lot of repetition. Youtube can be notoriously bad at this, showing you the same ad 20 times in a row. There are also some ads that are extremely personalized, but they are unimpressive in the other direction, Amazon ads for example will just show me products that I just watched on their site. So won't show me anything new, just stuff I am already familiar with.

    Never seen ads that actually extrapolate my behavior and interest and end up recommending me a product that I would actually be interested in buying. I found good old untargeted advertisement on TV or magazines far more useful for that, as that showed a lot of products that I didn't even know existed.

    1. Re:What is all that data good for? by nukenerd · · Score: 1
      Exactly.

      browser cookies can now pair a single user to multiple devices and keep track of what TV commercials the person sees, how long the person watches the ads, and whether the person acts on the ads by doing a Web search or buying a product.

      There is so much to go wrong here (wrong from theadman's viewpoint). You get no choice about how long you watch a TV ad - they last as long as they last, and I am probably out having a piss. And they have the same ads on many differnt channels and they bear no relation to the TV programme. All it might tell the adman is how much TV I watch.

      And how does the sound link devices together? The TV advert cannot send an individual ultra-sonic code to every TV receiver, so millions of devices belonging to millions of people will have exactly the same signature placed in them.

  17. Amazon's Echo probably does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Echo is always listening and likely keys into commercials playing on your TV and radio. Actual program material may include the signals, too. All reported back to the mother roach.

  18. Listening or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something about this claim doesn't add up. A process like this surely couldn't listen all the time without hijacking the operating system. And the article states that apps with this framework embedded aren't listening all the time and yet are able to pick up these audio beacons. So you need to be running a specific set of apps, and these have to be in a position and state to pick up a signal. Surely this would draw a significant amount of power and only gain haphazard results? It would also definitely fall into the category of malware –any apps doing it would be barred.

    1. Re: Listening or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's going to come down to this: if these guys are smart, they'll develop a super-nice advertising API that any app can use... like AdKit or whatever the fuck Apple calls theirs. Give it away for free, or even pay other developers to use it with their microphone-enabled apps and then SilverWhatever then gets to listen to everything that the app hears.

      Think of all those annoying "social" apps that people use to stare at their phones all day instead of interacting with the human beings around them: THOSE are the apps that will be listening for ultra-sonic ad triggers and phoning-home.

  19. No, not bullshit, it has been demonstrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should be careful being so categorical calling bullshit before doing more research. What is described here has been demonstrated in practice. http://www.gizmag.com/malware-jump-air-gap/30056/

  20. It's also rather hard to believe it would work by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ultrasonic response is not something most devices are good at. We, unsurprisingly, tend to design your sound systems around what we can hear. Particularly when you are talking cheaper equipment the high frequency response of speakers and microphones is often not very impressive. There's also the issue that the digital audio compression we use for things, like TV broadcasts, deemphasizes high frequencies.

    So for this to work they need:

    1) A TV broadcast with sufficient audio bitrate to get their high frequency signal encoded (the AC-3 streams usually used in ATSC broadcasts can be any bitrate from 64kbps to 448kbps).

    2) Encoded in such a way by the broadcaster that the high frequencies are preserved to a sufficient amount that their signal isn't distorted.

    3) Reproduced by speakers good enough to produce their signal, but to do it at a sufficient level to be picked up (speakers roll off at more extreme frequencies).

    4) Picked up by a microphone with sufficient range to be able to receive such a signal and isn't being occluded too much be being in a pocket or something.

    5) Processed by a program running on the device, that has control of the microphone at the time the signal is playing.

    Ya... While that isn't impossible, that is not likely to work any real amount of time. To have any good chance of working you'd probably have to push the signal down in to the audible range, which would of course piss people off to hear spurious high frequency noise. Likewise for it to be of any use the user would need to have an app on their device that is running. The mic doesn't magically record everything that comes in and store it for anything to access. A program has to be running and take control of the microphone to be able to get any input from it.

    This sounds like an advertiser pipe dream, not something that has been tried with real technology in realistic settings.

    People seem to think that ultrasonic communication is some kind of magic. It isn't. I mean it can be done, no question, you can encode information in sound, and you can do it in sound frequencies above human hearing. However that doesn't mean you can do it with any arbitrary device, or under arbitrary conditions.

    1. Re:It's also rather hard to believe it would work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Download this app, start it, switch to spectrum mode: Oscilloscope (It's open source. The link is to the F-Droid Open Source app store.)

      Then play this "Hearing test" Youtube video on a different device. It's a sweep from 20Hz to 20kHz. You can skip to the last third for the high frequencies.

      Observe that you can clearly see the spike in the spectrum going almost all the way up to 20kHz, far beyond what most people can hear. The horizontal flyback transformer in CRT TVs had a frequency below 16kHz, and in many TVs, even expensive ones, the oscillating magnetic field caused components to vibrate and emit audible noise at that same frequency. I wrote "audible noise" there, but many people actually couldn't hear it. Children and teenagers usually could, but adults could not. The band from 18kHz to 19kHz is well within the operating range of audio hardware, but even most young people don't hear frequencies that high. With better audio compression codecs and higher bitrates, these frequencies are no longer summarily filtered out either.

    2. Re:It's also rather hard to believe it would work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technology just going back to the days of dial-up modems. These would convert data bits into a number of frequencies that could be sent down a telephone line. Those went up to 56 Kbaud or 8Kbytes/second. That would sound like a screeching sound lasting a couple of seconds. To send down a single identifier of 64 bytes, it would be easy to place in a sound track, but that would sound like a pop or click. It would be easier to just match sampled snippets of sound in the same way that the SoundHound application does. Perhaps a modified jingle with custom music notes each time.

    3. Re:It's also rather hard to believe it would work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like an advertiser pipe dream, not something that has been tried with real technology in realistic settings.

      Possibly a scam startup to sell to the marketeers. For some reason, people in this business will often buy (invest in this case) anything, I had a neighbor, a marketeer, who would buy into stupid, obvious scams all the time ("free lifetime dial-up internet", etc.) Perhaps you have to really believe bullshit to be a marketeer(?)

    4. Re:It's also rather hard to believe it would work by Kjella · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, how much information do you really need to pass? I'm thinking a magic header and an ID over a ten second ad spot, say 256 bit max. At 16384 Hz that's 64 times/s*10s = 640 times. All you need is a little residual bias and you're good. That said I don't know why you'd limit yourself to only using the high band, you could implement something like Cinavia for ads which seems like a much more advanced version of the same thing. I think that covers 1-4. As for 5. you probably need some kind of tie-in app that would for example collect votes for a live show, offer prizes or in some other way encourage the user to have their phone or tablet out. Offer some BS like voice control to make microphone access a plausible request. If you can then make a HTTP request you can start pairing on IP, ISP supercookies, OS ad identifiers or whatever. It won't be perfect but more than good enough for advertising.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    5. Re:It's also rather hard to believe it would work by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      This sounds like an advertiser pipe dream, not something that has been tried with real technology in realistic settings.

      What? The article claimed that a dozen companies had products that do this, and that SilverPush is the industry leader having been doing it for over a year and a half. It made it sound like a real technology.

  21. Super Duper Boy Scout Best Behavior by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    there's no "Decline forever" option.

    Yes there is. It is called death and is a part of nature.

    Well people --- you're just in a pickle because you've let 'em abandon THE SWITCH. How was grandpa sure he could get some shut-eye without the vacuum cleaner going round in circles? How'd we know that when we flicked on that AM radio, the batteries in it would be just as good as we left it? When we put down the phone how'd we know the gub'mint wasn't listening? We had honest to God switches, little bits of metal with springs that snapped 'em so far apart those electrons would just stay put.

    Now all you have are little copper titty-buttons on the sides of things, and you've got chipsets to manage the buttons, see? And everything is really connected all the time to these chips, and it's all programmable. It's all flashable. It's all exploitable. There was a time when people liked switches on things because they liked control. You could actually beat your competition if your thing had more switches than your competition's thing, even if some of them were silly. But something changed, and now consumer focus groups and product design engineers try to eliminate as many controls as they can. When we started seeing switches disappear from things we thought engineers were stupid. Turns out engineers were doing it because they thought people were stupid.

    If you think you have a Power button that's an actual Power button --- well you don't really. There's probably a timer in there somewhere I could exploit to tell your thing to turn on again. And why would I bother? I could just take control of your thing and make it sing and beep like it's shutting off and once you see that dark screen you'd be none the wiser.

    Sometimes I used to send a WAKE-on-LAN packet to my buddy's computer the moment he sat down at his desk in the morning, just as he was reaching for the power button. He'd hear the computer beep and withdraw his finger, puzzled. Took him a while to figure out what was happening.

    We now worship the Golden Calf of the Software Sandbox... and we expect our devices to be on their Super Duper Boy Scout Best Behavior. Hope that works out for everyone, but I don't want to hear any whining when shit happens. Google offering a 'Decline Forever' button,

    Shoo Google, don't bother me,
    Shoo Yahoo, don't bother me,
    Shoo Amazon, don't bother me,
    Nothin' ever turns off
    and I ain't gonna pay
    gimmie everything for free.

    I'm going to thwack off the MONSTER FRANKENSTEIN KNIFE SWITCH that I have all my modern tech wired to, and get some serious shut-eye.
    NO CARRIER

    --
    <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
    1. Re:Super Duper Boy Scout Best Behavior by nukenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And even when the button is actually a switch with an air gap, the push-on push-off type, you cannot see if it is on or off. With old-time toggle switches (and rocker switches, though less obviously) you could see at a glance if it were on or off.

      Last night I wasted ten minutes trying to connect my laptop to my WiFi before realising that its "Kill" button was in the "Kill" state. It does have a light in the button to show if connected, but that is not the same as being un-killed - ie the light stays off if the problem is at the wireless hub or you are out of range.

      Designers (ie the art graduate types) prefer buttons because they believe their design to be the absolute optimum aesthetic. They therefore do not want the visual distubance that would result from a toggle or rocker switch being moved into a different position. That is the way they think.

    2. Re:Super Duper Boy Scout Best Behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems they forgot 'form follows function'.

  22. Just disable mic access in Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just open PrivacyGuard in Android and turn off Microphone access to everything except the Phone app.

    1. Re:Just disable mic access in Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to disable the speaker too. The speaker can and has been used as an audio input in previous stories about this.

  23. NEED LAW NOW by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    This practice of spying on people should be made illegal and with severe penalties for any company that uses this type of method either directly or through a third party.

  24. DNS security, speed & power issues hosts beat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Kaminsky redirect poisoning - 99.999% of ISP DNS aren't patched vs. it.

    Open DNS resolvers (not OpenDNS) get exploited by malware A LOT!

    Rogue DNS servers are DNS exploit (even in routers not just system IP stack settings).

    * Using hosts w/ fav sites you hardcode in 'em YOU AVOID ALL THOSE DNS SECURITY ISSUES ABOVE easily & IT RESOLVES FAR FASTER THAN CALLING TO REMOTE DNS SERVERS (especially exploited or downed ones noted (dns goes down a LOT)).

    ---

    Hosts combined w/ OpenDNS compliment one other.

    I don't resolve 'every host-domain there is' via hosts, only my favs @ top of hosts (20 of 'em beating indexing past 2++ million records).

    It's where ANYONE spends MOST OF THEIR TIME online - & it's faster + more efficient vs. calling to remote DNS servers.

    Placement of favs thus, for FAST RESOLUTION from memory locally (hosts cache like any file) additionally saves CPU cycles, RAM, + I/O turning off a slower usermode clientside DNS cache service instead opting for the kernelmode diskcache (no context switch overhead to the IP stack either this way).

    The rest of my hosts files' entries are 3,782,195++ blocked entries vs. malware & ads of many kinds.

    I use REMOTE FILTERING DNS SERVERS blocking out malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains via DNS blocking (not locally here as a separate redundant wasteful recursive server or a service/daemon).

    ---

    OpenDNS:

    208.67.222.222
    208.67.220.220

    ---

    It LIGHTENS remote DNS loads - admins of 'em should like it! Especially since DNS goes down a LOT!

    How do I make my hosts (& do reverse dns pings for FAV sites for faster, more reliable, & safer connections)?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    With much easier understood & edited data vs. DNS rules by far.

    APK

    P.S.=> Locally setup DNS eats more cpu, RAM, & I/O needlessly (hosts do the job w/ less complexity + room for exploit, actually COMPLIMENTING remote dns) & MORE ELECTRICAL POWER (especially if setup as a separate machine)... apk

  25. woof bark woof woof hoowwwwl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I told you, master, that your computer keeps making many annoying sounds, but NO, you sent me to a dog obedience school instead. I'm going to go chew on your slippers now, you insensitive clod."

  26. If customers wanted this... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    ... they'd tie the devices together themselves.

    .
    So this scheme is an explicit admission by the advertisers that they are doing things to customer devices that customers do not want done to their devices.

  27. For the BEST custom hosts file? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    FREE & not 'souled-out' to advertisers + adds speed, security & reliability & does FAR more w/ FAR less more efficiently vs. redundant browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' many security issues & it stops a LOT of tracking @ webpage + DNS levels combined too from 1 file you already NATIVELY have - firewalls do the rest (on lesser used IP address based tracking vs. host-domain name type).

    ---

    It obtains data vs. online threats & for adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community!

    ---

    It SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocking + locally cached in RAM favorites placed @ the TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed vs. remote DNS also aiding reliability) vs. other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOWING YOU!

    ---

    It does all that via something you natively have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR'" that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overheads!

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    * "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend".

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  28. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  29. "free" is an IQ test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are not a paying customer, YOU are the product.

    YOU are a self-documenting and self-stocking product on the shelf at Facebook/Google/etc who has stupidly provided these nasty rich guys with all your personal info and the info of your friends and family in exchange for the "free" trinkets of a web page and some internet searches. You have been duped into thinking all the info about your life and the lives of your friends and family members is worthless - but these hyper-powerful corporate entities have become bigger than some nations and their leaders became BILLIONAIRES selling YOUR information.

    Wake up and stop feeding the beast and devaluing yourself and your family, or go on sleeping your way into the warm embrace of fascism with a smiley-face where you have given others all the tools to manipulate and monitor you. If you choose to snooze your freedom away, do not complain about any of the limitless snooping and encroachment that lies ahead.

    Liberty and Privacy, or cheap baubles - you choose - but before you do, remember the choice made by some native American tribes.

    1. Re:"free" is an IQ test by PPH · · Score: 1

      If you are not a paying customer, YOU are the product.

      Well then, I'm taking me right back to the store for a refund. I won't stand for defective merchandise.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  30. Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ghostery do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you by a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (e.g. stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory use vs. addons

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on Ghostery doing all that let alone as well as hosts do!

    APK

    P.S.=> Addons do FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts by way of comparison, do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

    ---

    Addons add complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    ClarityRay DETECTS browser addons like Ghostery & blocks them (not hosts) via native browser methods.

    ---

    What's better than ghostery by FAR?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  31. PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can PrivacyBadger do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on PrivacyBadger doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> PrivacyBadger does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    PrivacyBadger's Adblock+ codebase 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    PrivacyBadger adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  32. Plug the audio socket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I plug in a mini-jack-adapter into my laptop without any headphones connected audio stops working.

  33. Partly right, but partly wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First: It's possible to detect information encoded in a high-frequency signal using a lower-frequency sampling, so do not be so quick to dismiss this based on a simple assumption about what you presume are the limits of specific consumer gadgets that you do not even own. I am personally unaware of the specific frequency responses of all the mics in all the consumer gadgets on the market and less-so for gadgets not yet being sold, but well-aware that code can be put onto a gadget to make better use of the hardware that is in a consumer's hands than the default software does, or worse, pretends to.

    Second: Like most of these panicky, sensational click-bait stories, there's much to be suspicious about, BUT there's also some value there as a cautionary warning about the future. It's a bit like the apocryphal "boiled frog" tale - if you are not paying attention as the encroachments on your life and privacy ratchet-up, you will one day wake up and realize you no longer HAVE your privacy and freedom, and your kids will never even know what your generation threw away.

  34. going to be depressing for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Going to be depressing for them to see what i do when i view and ad... absolutely nothing.

  35. Audiophiles!!! by DrYak · · Score: 1

    the question is why does a phone intended for *human* consumption even allow frequencies beyond human hearing?

    But Audiophiles! And Golden ears!!! And 192Khz 24bits!!!!!
    Maybe you can't hear the difference, but that's because you didn't buy the necessary "Monster" polarized cables.
    It really change the warmth of sound !!!! And the ultra-sound cause harmonics!!! (*)
    (sarcasm over)
    (* = actually true depending on the installation. but has the exact opposite effect: these harmonics are distrotions and generally degrade the output quality by outputing singal that was never here in the first place)

    More seriously:
    - Technical limitation: it's simpler and cheaper to have a microphone and a ADC that can pick up higher frequencies, and then filter them in software, rather than design a microphone that has perfect pick-up in the human hearing range but abruptly stops at the hearing limit and has no distortion.
    (I think Xiph have a few documents about this. Or was it one of the anti-Audiophilie post of some real-world-physics-based-science blog ?)
    So: your phone and lots of other electronique device can hear above the 10-16 Khz limit because hearing at 24-48Khz and downsampling causes less harmonic distortions. But afterward the rest of the audio software pipeline works in a reasonable audio bandwidth.
    (Unless you consider a rogue piece software that on purpose keep sounds in the 16-24Khz range - such as adware)

    - Technology: smartphones use piezo speaker, instead of magnetically driven. These can have good response beyond the human hearing range. (In fact, the ultra-sound emitter on your car's sonar parking assistance is very probably a piezo speaker).
    So if your smartphone has 192Khz/24bits DAC (because "audiophiles"! because in fact it's not much complicated to handle higher bitrates/audio bandwidth, and that makes a bullet point for maketing to boast about),
    and the audio circuit lacks proper high quality filters (because it's cheaper)
    and the audio device is a piezo (like in anything smaller than a speaker set),
    your smartphone can output ultra-sounds (as do any speak-set using a piezo for tweeters).

    And unlike the recording situation, it doesn't even require a rogue software: CD quality (44 ksample) or higher (48 ksamples) is considered the golden standard at which most audio pipelines operate. And thus any software could output 22Khz-24Khz sounds if they like.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Audiophiles!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's simpler and cheaper to have a microphone and a ADC that can pick up higher frequencies, and then filter them in software, rather than design a microphone that has perfect pick-up in the human hearing range but abruptly stops at the hearing limit

      It's physically impossible to have an abrupt stop in frequency, in the same sense that it is physically impossible to build a perpetual motion machine.

      All realizable devices have roll-off.

      This has nothing to do with whether one is using a digital or analog filter or system.

      Steeper roll-off always comes with interesting side effects. If good fidelity with respect to the original signal is desired, regions of operation with these side effects must be avoided by the designer.

  36. But content producers!!! by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Cue-in highly paid youtubers that make public announcement that low-pass filters are hurting the internet economy.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
  37. Is it really true? by mi · · Score: 1

    While the sound can't be heard by the human ear, nearby tablets and smartphones can detect it.

    First of all, other than ethics, this is awesome technology... Truly, ad- and porn-sellers are at the forefront of it all.

    But is this really true? I mean, speakers and microphones are both designed to produce/recognized sound useful to humans (except some exotic devices meant for dolphins, I suppose). Making them do a reasonably good job on the entire human-audible spectrum is a non-trivial task already and different devices do better/worse on different parts of the spectrum.

    Why would a designer of a mobile phone bother with the frequencies, which a human can neither produce nor hear anyway? It certainly increases the costs of both the design and each individual device... Unless, of course, it is to enable exactly the kind of things discussed in TFA...

    So, if we really do carry such hardware in our pockets — and neither TFA nor links from it list specific brands/models — then our fingers of blame are to be pointed at the hardware-makers.

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    1. Re:Is it really true? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1
      "Why would a designer of a mobile phone bother with the frequencies, which a human can neither produce nor hear anyway? It certainly increases the costs of both the design and each individual device"

      I think it's more an accidental ability of tiny little cheap electret microphones and piezoelectric speakers, rather than something designers explicitly asked for.

      The designers of smartphones and tablets mostly want "cheap" and "as small as possible". It just happens that smaller audio components have an easier time with higher frequency sounds (and a harder time with lower frequencies). It doesn't really matter that they're not necessarily "good" at playing or recording, say, 22khz tones, for this hypothetical technology they just need to be barely capable of getting the microphone to pick up that there is a signal out there in that range. Almost no humans would even be able to notice a sort of 22kHz "Morse code" message around them in a quiet room, let alone one with typical background noise.

      It's actually kind of a nifty concept with some interesting potential, but of course as the story illustrates it's to be used for evil here.

  38. The times they ARE a changin'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Come gather round people wherever you roam
    & admit that the waters (threats online) around you have grown!

    Accept it soon you'll be drenched to the bone! If your time (speed online) to you is worth savin'!

    Then you better start swimmin', you could sink like a stone (being infected) For the times, they are a-changin' (traditional antivirus & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats from online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ your pens (trolls) & keep your eyes open the chance won't come again!

    Don't speak too soon, the wheel's still in spin & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK>)

    Oh, the loser will be later to win! For the times they are a'changin'.

    Come senators, congressmen, please head the call Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall! He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being malware infested)

    There's a battle outside ragin' - That'll soon shake your Microsoft Windows & rattle your FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... ) For the times, they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land ( & don't criticize what you can't underst& (hosts) Your sons & your daughters (ME), beyond MEDIA command!

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    The order is rapidly fadin'! (& the 1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly due to being 'souled-out') will later be last - For the times they are a-changin'!)

    APK

    P.S.=> That's all I have to say to my naysayers on hosts vs. browser addons... apk

  39. Ultra-sound. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    1. Mics don't pick up ultrasonic

    Actually they do, on purpose.
    It's simpler and cheaper to pick-up a wider range and filter afterward.
    Than managing to produce a "perfect" microphone that has I high response on the whole range of human hearing, and drops sharply outside without causing any harmonic distortion.

    Mics that pick up ultrasonics + software filter is cheaper than high quality mic + high quality hardware filter.

    So most mics can pick up ultrasonics and do. (all it takes is one rogue software NOT to filter them).

    2. Speakers don't reproduce ultrasonic

    You subwofer might not, indeed.

    But the cheapo piezo that is most small electronics device and used as a tweeters in speaker systems can produce them without any problem.

    So overall lots of devices could produce them without you knowing (or with only your dog knowing).

    3. And even if these somehow did, Nyquist already limits it all

    Yup Nyquist. Nyquist predicts that the max frequency will be at half the max sampling rate.
    Most audio pipe-line work at CD quality (44 ksamples) or higher (48 ksamples).
    That makes a max of 22-24Khz. Well above the typical 10Khz that most people tend to hear.

    And that's without taking into account the tendencies of some audiophile on insisting to run everything at 192Khz 24bits.
    It's completely useless for humans, but that would help a bit this whole story.

    Look at a high-end mic's response curve.

    Which is high-end, and thus tries to mimick human range (plus some headroom to avoid distortion).

    Low quality cheap microphone might accidentally have weirder response curve. (Specially piezo-based one. They would suck at the low range, the would have abnormal high ultrasound drop off, and they are dead cheap).

    Most barely get above 16 kHz, after which they drop off very fast.

    ...which is well enough above the typical 10Khz limit that most human hear.

    High-freqs are directional, meaning if you get off-axis even a little, even more drop-off.

    so what? the point of advertisers isn't to generate some ultra-high bandwidth transmission techniques that can carry 1Gbps data over 10km.
    The point is only to get some very basic presence/absence (some ad is playing on some TV nearby the phone) and maybe a few bits worth of data (enough to transmit a tag, so the server might be able to know that AD n xyz that got sent to device #A was heard by device #B and thus both device probably belong to the same person).
    And that doesn't need to be a constant flow of information. If the ad presence/absence works a couple of time per day, that's already enough data for marketeers.
    If the tagging works well enough to match device a couple of time per months, its already enough for marketeers to wet their pants and/or order an extra round of blow.

    All BULLSHIT.

    bullshit that has already been demoed in conferences.

    the news isn't that you can do communication over ultra-sonics using of-the-shelf parts. that has been known for years.
    the news is that some advertisers are interested to actually do it in the wild.

    The internet at play and the eager ignorants ready to believe anything it proclaims.

    That's Ars. They tend to have a little bit less dummy content than your garden variety of "internet-crackpot-theory-cesspool".

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Ultra-sound. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well enough above the typical 10Khz limit that most human hear.

      Come on, we're not all deaf. Adults who can hear 15kHz are not the majority, but being able to hear 13kHz isn't unusual even for middle-aged men.

  40. The times they ARE a changin'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come gather round people wherever ya roam & admit waters (threats online) around ya have grown

    Accept it soon you'll be drenched to the bone

    If yer time (speed) to you's worth savin'

    You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone (infected)

    For the times they are a-changin' (antivir & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ yer pen (trolls) & keep ye eyes wide: Chance won't come again - Don't speak too soon the wheel's still in spin! ... & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK>)

    Oh the loser will be later a win! For the times they are a'changin'

    Come senators/congressmen please head the call - Don't stand in the doorway don't block up the hall!

    He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being infested)

    Big battle outside ragin'!

    It'll soon shake yer MS Windows & rattle FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... )...

    For the times they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land ( & don't criticize what ya can't understand (hosts) Yer sons & daughters (ME) = beyond MEDIA command!

    Yer old road's (above firewall/antivirus + inferior inefficient browser addons) rapidly agin'.

    So get out of the new one if ya can't lend a hand!

    For the times they are a-changin'

    The line it is drawn: The curse it is cast (ad hominem attacks + abused downmods): The slow one now will later be fast as the present now (browser addon adblockers) is later be past (hosts)

    The order is rapidly fadin'! (1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly) will later be last - For the times they are a-changin'!)

    APK

    P.S.=> All I have to say to those who downmodded me is above courtesy of Bob Dylan & the film "The Watchmen"...

    ... apk

  41. The article says it _IS_ happening right now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paragraph 7 (in a blue box)...

    "As of April of 2015, SilverPush’s software is used by 67 apps and the company monitors 18 million smartphones."

  42. The times they ARE a changin'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come gather round people wherever ya roam & admit that the waters (threats online) around ya have grown

    Accept it soon you'll be drenched to the bone

    If yer time (speed) to you's worth savin'

    You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone (infected)

    For the times they are a-changin' (antivir & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ yer pen (trolls) & keep ye eyes wide: Chance won't come again - Don't speak too soon the wheel's still in spin! ... & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK>)

    Oh the loser will be later a win! For the times they are a'changin'

    Come senators/congressmen please head the call - Don't stand in the doorway don't block up the hall!

    He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being infested)

    Big battle outside ragin'!

    It'll soon shake yer MS Windows & rattle BOTH DNS AND FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... )...

    For the times they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land ( & don't criticize what ya can't understand (hosts) Yer sons & daughters (ME) = beyond MEDIA command!

    Yer old road's (above firewall/antivirus + inferior inefficient browser addons) rapidly agin'.

    So get out of the new one if ya can't lend a hand!

    For the times they are a-changin'

    The line it is drawn: The curse it is cast (ad hominem attacks + abused downmods): The slow one now will later be fast as the present now (browser addon adblockers) is later be past (hosts)

    The order is rapidly fadin'! (1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly) will later be last - For the times they are a-changin'!)

    APK

    P.S.=> All I have to say to those who downmodded me is above courtesy of Bob Dylan & the film "The Watchmen"...

    ... apk

  43. think about the children ! by swell · · Score: 2

    Yes, what about the poor children with their sensitive hearing, and dogs, cats, chickens and cockroaches ... An advertiser who elects to disrupt their lives with horrible noises should be ashamed (and sued).

    Hey, don't pretend that you haven't any chickens in your house. We can hear them via the microphone installed in your thermostat, we can see them from your television and we can smell them via your smoke detector.

    --
    ...omphaloskepsis often...
  44. DNS security, speed & power issues hosts beat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kaminsky redirect poisoning - 99.999% of ISP DNS aren't patched vs. it.

    Open DNS resolvers (not OpenDNS) get exploited by malware A LOT!

    Rogue DNS servers are DNS exploit (even in routers not just system IP stack settings).

    * Using hosts w/ fav sites you hardcode in 'em YOU AVOID ALL THOSE DNS SECURITY ISSUES ABOVE easily & IT RESOLVES FAR FASTER THAN CALLING TO REMOTE DNS SERVERS (especially exploited or downed ones noted (dns goes down a LOT)).

    ---

    Hosts combined w/ OpenDNS compliment one other.

    I don't resolve 'every host-domain there is' via hosts, only my favs @ top of hosts (20 of 'em beating indexing past 2++ million records).

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    Placement of favs thus, for FAST RESOLUTION from memory locally (hosts cache like any file) additionally saves CPU cycles, RAM, + I/O turning off a slower usermode clientside DNS cache service instead opting for the kernelmode diskcache (no context switch overhead to the IP stack either this way).

    The rest of my hosts files' entries are 3,782,195++ blocked entries vs. malware & ads of many kinds.

    I use REMOTE FILTERING DNS SERVERS blocking out malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains via DNS blocking (not locally here as a separate redundant wasteful recursive server or a service/daemon).

    ---

    OpenDNS:

    208.67.222.222
    208.67.220.220

    ---

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    P.S.=> Locally setup DNS eats more cpu, RAM, & I/O needlessly (hosts do the job w/ less complexity + room for exploit, actually COMPLIMENTING remote dns) & MORE ELECTRICAL POWER (especially if setup as a separate machine)... apk

  45. I do not care. I do not act on ads. by devslash0 · · Score: 1

    I used to care about my privacy and ad profiling a lot. I still put around 10k entries in my hosts file blocking ad domain, I use adblock and I also allow cookies using white lists, blocking everything by default. However, I do not care if anything slips by anymore. Why?

    Two reasons:
    - I do not have time or resources to bother with big companies. They will always find a way to achieve their goal.I just take general precautions and invest my time in my own business.
    - I never act on ads. I have never bought anything that I saw on an ad. I can't even remember ever clicking on an add willingly. If I need anything, I have my trusted places that I go and I show the middle finger to everyone else. Especially those, who tried to make be believe I need their sh*t.

  46. The voices! by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    I guess the voices weren't just in my head...

    --
    "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
  47. Nothing new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This technology has been around for at least 15 years. AC Nielsen used to collect viewer stats via a wearable device that listens to (human inaudible) sounds from radio and TV.

  48. Shazam type apps? by dszd0g · · Score: 1

    Could this be built into phone apps like Shazam? Shazam needs microphone access. That app seems built for collecting information for advertisers so it seems a likely candidate to me. There are lots of popular phone apps that request mic access even on iOS: Skype, Telegram, Dolphin Browser, Shazam, Snapchat, Instagram, etc. We need a way to tell which apps are doing this.

    It also appears that even on iOS if you give an app microphone access then the app can access the microphone in the background:
    http://stackoverflow.com/quest...

    --
    This message is encrypted with Quad ROT-13 to protect the author's copyright under the DMCA.
  49. So I'm NOT crazy? by eric_t_duckman · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that some of my "tinnitus" may actually be electronic devices conspiring against me, as I've known for years, or should I take those anti-psychotics my doc prescribed?

  50. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past dns blocks
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites)
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Easy data control
    16.) Do all that & block ads better vs. addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER vs. hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  51. Adblock blows compared to hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & my post on that note backed by undeniable, concrete + verifiable facts to that effect -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "My name is Ozymandias - Look on my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."

    APK

    P.S.=> Quoting Ozymandias from the film "The Watchmen" regarding his affinity for my namesake "Alexander The Great":

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & so began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men, but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware/antivirus), Oil (addons), Nuclear Power (DNS & routers) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers..."

    ... apk

  52. The times they ARE a changin'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come gather round people wherever ya roam & admit that the waters (threats online) around you have grown

    (... & accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone!)

    If your time (speed) to you is worth savin'? Oh, Ya better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone (being infected)

    For the times they are a-changin' (antivir & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ your pen (trolls)

    &

    Keep your eyes wide: The chance won't come again - & don't speak too soon, for the wheel's still in spin!

    (... & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK))

    Cuz the loser now will be later "the win"!

    For the times they are a'changin'...

    Come senators/congressmen please heed the call - Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall!

    Oh, He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being infested)

    Big battle outside ragin'!

    It'll soon shake yer Linux/OS X/MS Windows & rattle DNS/BrowserAddons/Antivirus & FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... )!

    For the times they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land!

    (... & don't criticize what ya can't understand (hosts))

    Your sons & daughters (ME) are beyond MEDIA command!

    Your old road's (above firewall/antivirus/dns + inferior inefficient browser addons) rapidly agin'.

    So get out of the new one if ya can't lend a hand!

    For the times they are a-changin'...

    The line it is drawn (ad hominem attacks): The curse it is cast (abused downmods)!

    (... The slow one now, will later be fast - as the present now (browser addon adblockers) will later be past (hosts))

    The order is rapidly fadin'!

    And, the 1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly) will later be last!

    For the times they ARE a-changin'...

    APK

    P.S.=> All I have to say to those who downmodded me is above courtesy of the film "The Watchmen"...

    ... apk

  53. The times they ARE a changin'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come gather round people wherever ya roam & admit that the waters (threats online) around you have grown

    (... & accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone!)

    If your time (speed) to you is worth savin'? Oh, Ya better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone (being infected)

    For the times they are a-changin' (antivir & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ your pen (trolls)

    &

    Keep your eyes wide: The chance won't come again - & don't speak too soon, for the wheel's still in spin!

    (... & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK))

    Cuz the loser now will be later "the win"!

    For the times they are a'changin'...

    Come senators/congressmen please heed the call - Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall!

    Oh, He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being infested)

    Big battle outside ragin'!

    It'll soon shake yer Linux/OS X/MS Windows & rattle DNS/BrowserAddons/Antivirus & FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... )!

    For the times they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land!

    (... & don't criticize what ya can't understand (hosts))

    Your sons & daughters (ME) are beyond MEDIA command!

    Your old road's (above firewall/antivirus/dns + inferior inefficient browser addons) rapidly agin'.

    So get out of the new one if ya can't lend a hand!

    Oh the times they are a-changin'...

    The line it is drawn (ad hominem attacks): The curse it is cast (abused downmods)!

    (... The slow one now, will later be fast - as the present now (browser addon adblockers) will later be past (hosts))

    The order is rapidly fadin'!

    And, the 1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly) will later be last!

    For the times they ARE a-changin'...

    APK

    P.S.=> All I have to say to those who downmodded me is above courtesy of the film "The Watchmen"...

    ... apk

  54. Best adblocker & much more vs. online threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

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    ---

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    ---

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    ---

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    ---

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    &

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    +

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    ---

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    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

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    ...apk

  55. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past dns blocks
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites)
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Easy data control
    16.) Do all that & block ads better vs. addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER vs. hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  56. Oh, the times - They ARE a changin'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come gather round people wherever ya roam & admit that the waters (threats online) around you have grown

    (... & accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone!)

    If your time (speed) to you is worth savin'? Oh, Ya better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone (being infected)

    Oh the times they are a-changin' (antivir & firewalls = ineffective vs. modern threats online -> http://www.dshield.org/diary/A... + http://www.dshield.org/diary/I... & http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... )

    Come writers & critics who prophesize w/ your pen (trolls)

    &

    Keep your eyes wide: The chance won't come again - & don't speak too soon, for the wheel's still in spin!

    (... & there's no telling who that it's naming (APK))

    Cuz the loser now will be later "the win"!

    Oh the times they are a'changin'...

    Come senators/congressmen please heed the call - Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall!

    Oh, He that gets hurt (users) will be he who has stalled (being infested)

    Big battle outside ragin'!

    It'll soon shake yer Linux/OS X/MS Windows & rattle DNS/BrowserAddons/Antivirus & FIREWALLS ( http://www.symantec.com/connec... )!

    Oh the times they are a changing!

    Come mothers & fathers throughout the land!

    (... & don't criticize what ya can't understand (hosts))

    Your sons & daughters (ME) are beyond MEDIA command!

    Your old road's (above firewall/antivirus/dns + inferior inefficient browser addons) rapidly agin'.

    So get out of the new one if ya can't lend a hand!

    Oh the times they are a-changin'...

    The line it is drawn (ad hominem attacks): The curse it is cast (abused downmods)!

    (... The slow one now, will later be fast - as the present now (browser addon adblockers) will later be past (hosts))

    The order is rapidly fadin' & the 1st one now ("AlmostALLAdsBlocked" dying rapidly) will later be last!

    Oh the times they ARE a-changin'!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I have to say to those who downmodded me is above courtesy of the film "The Watchmen"...

    ... apk

  57. real switches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FWIW, the Librem computers (https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-15) do feature real switches for all radio-related links, and mic.
    I'm not one of the first buyers, but clearly that'll be the machine replacing my curent mac when it fails.

    1. Re: real switches? by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I think I've found my next laptop.

  58. uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The merchandise does not get to turn itself back in for a refund, and any refund would go the the customer, which in this case is the various advertisers who paid google, facebook, instagram, pinterest, etc for your personal info and that of your friends and family. Oh, and if you had the slightest clue about how computers work, you'd know that binary data cannot, once let out "into the wild", ever be recalled --- so in soup-NAZI style: "no refund for you!".

  59. Re: DNS security, speed & power issues hosts b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show me how to edit the hosts file on a non-rooted android or buzz off apk.

  60. i am so relieved to learn that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i don't really suffer from chronic tinnitus.. it's just the fucking ads on television..

    and that can be cured easy enough, unlike tinnitus.

  61. Forgot One Thing by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

    In addition to things already mentioned (nyquist, speaker/mic response, mics not turned on) the really big reason this won't work is because almost all commercial audio transmission is highly compressed in the frequency domain. Inaudible frequencies got unceremoniously tossed to reduce bandwidth.

    --
    An engineer who ran for Congress. http://herbrobinson.us
  62. I'll let others talk for me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa (366380) on Saturday May 16, 2015 @11:40AM (#49705641)

    See subject & see that quote above...

    APK

    P.S.=> So bite me troll... apk

  63. The bitchslapping of Khyber... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "NOD32 detects a trojan in APK's HOSTS bullshit." - by Khyber (864651) on Saturday August 22, 2015 @01:02PM (#50370415)

    VirusTotal & NOD32 SHOW CLEAN IN ITS EXES

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    There's only 2 exe's & 5 text files in it - The exe's are proven clean above in 2 links from VirusTotal & installer's a SFX rar (keeps it 2mb smaller) - that's NO virus per VIRSCAN http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    (Unless YOU know way that .txt files are "viruses")

    ---

    "he's tying to get your fucking information." - by Khyber (864651) on Saturday August 22, 2015 @01:02PM (#50370415)

    My program doesn't transmit outward ONLY intake of data from 10 reputable security community sources!

    ---

    "APK is apparently too fucking stupid to do this at the ROUTER level where it's most effective" - by Khyber (864651) on Saturday August 22, 2015 @01:02PM (#50370415)

    You believe in "eggshell security" which fails-> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    COMPETENT NETWORK ADMINS DO MORE THAN PERIMETER SECURITY @ ROUTER LEVEL - they get bushwhacked ALL THE TIME in DNS hijacks!

    (Right down to endpoints level in PC workstations also using tools you already have in hosts + firewalls (vs. "piling on 'MOAR'" that's inefficient & not as effective in slower usermode browser addons)).

    ---

    "Windows 10 has hardcoded IPs and bypasses HOSTs." - by Khyber (864651) on Saturday August 22, 2015 @01:02PM (#50370415)

    Windows ONLY bypasses hosts files for Windows update (Win8 & below) & for tracking "telemetry" in Windows 10 (this is going to KILL Windows 10 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... ) - test it yourself, that removes it.

    ---

    "Browsers can bypass HOSTs as well." - by Khyber (864651) on Saturday August 22, 2015 @01:02PM (#50370415)

    WTF? They'd be bypassing the IP stack if hostname is used ala http://slashdot.org/ (not http://216.34.181.45/ hosts are part of it - not impossible!

    APK

    P.S.=> "EAT YOUR WORDS"... apk

  64. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past dns blocks
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Do all that & block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk