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This October Was the Hottest Ever Measured (scienceblogs.com)

GregLaden writes: Scientists track the global surface temperature, an average of readings from thermometers at approximately head height, and an estimate of sea surface temperatures, in order to track global warming. Over the last year or so we have been seeing many record-breaking months. Now, both the Japan Meteorological Agency and NASA have identified October as an extraordinary month. October 2016 is significantly warmer than any other in the NASA record, which goes back to 1880.

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  1. Back to the future.. by malkavian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice to know that next year will be even warmer.. I've been enjoying the warm October we've had here in 2015..

    1. Re:Back to the future.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      keeping academics awash in a government funding jackpot

      Those filthy rich scientists, awash in money. Yes, they're the problem. Greedy goddamn climate scientists and their grubby-handed grad student research assistants. Living like kings while the honest energy industry has to scratch out a subsistence with nothing but hard work and grit.

      I'll tell you, this world is upside-down.

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  2. NASA ignoring satellite measurements... by Glock27 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's amazing! Especially, given the complete lack of correlation with the satellite datasets:

    UAH RSS

    The satellite datasets directly integrate temperature over almost the entire globe, with no interpolation and no revisionist "adjustments". They use laboratory grade instruments, and are frequently calibrated against balloon soundings. And no, there is nothing magic as far as detecting temperature trends gained by measuring at ground level only.

    It's beyond ironic that NASA is trumpeting ground-based measurements while ignoring better data gathered from space.

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    1. Re:NASA ignoring satellite measurements... by Yoda222 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which part of the statement "This October Was the Hottest Ever Measured" is the uah data supposed to completely "lack of correlation" with? When I look at the global temperature in the uah data (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc_lt_5.6.txt , Globe column) and take only October (month=10), I see that October 2015 is indeed the warmer, with a delta of 0.57 degC with 1981-2010, where the previous warmest were 2012 and 2014 with 0.37 each.

      It's relatively difficult to see that in your plot, as you give a plot with all temperatures, including October and the other 11 months of the year.

    2. Re:NASA ignoring satellite measurements... by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lottery Commission: "Congratulations! You just won our largest ever estimated jackpot! $539M is greater than the next biggest jackpot by 0.08% +/- $2k! We'll know for sure in 2 weeks."
      You: "Yawn. I only deal in absolutes and percentages greater than (some moving target)% and spend all my time pointing out anything less than perfect information delivered by time travelers from the future. As you can imagine the internet keeps me too busy to deal with that worthless jackpot."

  3. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not the point. Point: it's never changed this fast, and it's our fault. Denier doesn't get it, news at 11:05.

    True science needs deniers:

    That is the essence of science: ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer. - - Jacob Bronowski

    The "Science" of Physics was "settled" back in the time of Issac Newton. Oops, then came Einstein along! Our views on global climate change are based on we *think* is right, based on the facts that we have today. In another 100 years, things might look very differently. Hey, using blood-sucking leeches to treat sick folks seemed like a good idea a while back! The gag is, blood-sucking leeches are back in fashion in modern medicine: it turns out that they are very useful in restoring blood flow to skin transplants.

    Even Einstein himself, probably one of the most gifted minds that ever walked on this planet, had problems with that newfangled Quantum Theory:

    Einstein: "God does not play dice!"

    Niels Bohr: "Stop telling God what to do!"

    Erwin Schrödinger: "So, is like, my cat dead or alive . . . ?"

    Einstein: "If I had my way, all those cats would be dead! They pee on my furniture, and shit in my shoes!"

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    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  4. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True science needs deniers:

    No, True science needs challengers.

    You can deny the Gravitational Theory all you want, but if I drop an anvil on your head, you're still dead.

    On the other hand, if someone challenges that gravity must inevitably operate in such and such a way and that leads to development of anti-grav technology, that's True science.

  5. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "Science" of Physics was "settled" back in the time of Issac Newton. Oops, then came Einstein along!

    Well, yes and no. Yes in relativistic environments (near light speed) you get a different physics. But this is only applicable to elementary particles and the like.

    For the rest: all the calculations that were done previously using Newton's laws: the force needed to change the speed of an (not relativistic) object (cars, trains, elements of a machine...) are STILL calculated using newtons law.

    And this is the hallmark of the true science denier: he wants to use the fact that science is allways in motion to promote the notion that nothing is ever certain. I can assure you that whatever new theories there will be found concerning the laws of physics they will have to comply with all known observations and therefore will have to be in compliance with newton's laws for normal day to day objects.

    Einsteins theories have not supplanted Newton's theory gave an extension for elementary particles. BTW talking about Bohr and the theory of quantum mechanics: there is no sane way to apply these to macroscopic objects. For that you NEED newton's laws. So in that sense they are more complementary.

  6. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem that I have with anthropogenic global warming is that it started out sounded like a science-based issue, but it has since moved into the realm that's more reminiscent of a religion (complete with established dogma, punishment of heretics, an apocalyptic theology, etc.). Most proponents today sound less like reasonable people and more and more like shrill cultists holding up placards proclaiming the end is nigh.

    It also disturbs me that AGW proponents have not only created an echo-chamber for themselves within the university system, but have also carefully tailored what appears to be an unfalsifiable hypothesis. It's very difficult to conceive of any data that could contradict it. And when data DOES come along that seemingly does contradict it--rather than reconsidering the hypothesis itself, proponents merely "adjust" the data until it nicely fits the hypothesis again.

    Meanwhile, individual weather patterns continue to be dismissed as "just weather" when they are mild or abnormally cold, but sung from the rooftops as evidence of AGW when they are usually chaotic or hot. This very report cites October as the hottest October on record as evidence of global warming. Will it therefore be evidence AGAINST global warming if this December is the coldest December on record? Or will the same people who cited this report as AGW evidence suddenly dismiss that as "just a minor weather pattern, not related to climate."? Or maybe the data would somehow be cleverly be "adjusted" until December turns into the hottest on record instead (you see, that initial data didn't take into account a huge adjustment for ocean currents being very strong in the Indian Ocean this year, therefore we have to adjust it up several degrees to compensate).

    I know this will get me modded down on /. But that is why I've come to seriously doubt the idea of anthropocentric global warming over the last several years, and why I have come to believe that the issue is more about religious zealotry and social agendas than actual science.

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  7. Re: Climate has never not been changing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anybody else curious that they reference October 2016 in the article, not 2015? I'm not sure that I can trust this information, maybe it needs another correction. :-)

  8. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 4, Informative
    http://www.vancouversun.com/te...

    64 temperature records smashed in B.C.
    Weather experts are now predicting June will be Vancouver's hottest on record
    Vancouver Sun June 30, 2015
    Fuck you.

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    Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  9. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by dave420 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's called "an overwhelming body of evidence, which some people ignore on ideological grounds".

    It's not an echo chamber, it's science. If someone can demonstrate AGW is not happening, they will find fame and fortune in these exact same institutions. They will be lauded and given wealth and opportunity beyond measure.

    All your examples are just ignorance of what the scientists are actually talking about and what they're doing. Blaming them for that is, well, ridiculous. Judging from what you've written you have a lot of knowledge of this subject missing, so no wonder you get so confused. It would look like a scam to me, too, if I knew as little as you do on the subject. I don't mean to sound rude, but there is simply no other way to put it.

    The fact you will ignore scientific discoveries because they sound weird to you and confuse the evening news with scientific journals speaks more of your grasp of science than any science in particular.

    And yes, people who actively deny scientific findings (using a medium born from the same method) will usually garner criticism, and rightly so. The irony is palpable.