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DoJ Going After Makers of Dietary Supplement (reuters.com)

Posted by Soulskill on from the all-natural-justice dept.

schwit1 writes: Several federal agencies, including the U.S. Department of Justice, have announced criminal and civil actions related to unlawful advertising and sale of dietary supplements. "Six executives with USPlabs LLC and a related company, S.K. Laboratories, face criminal charges related to the sale of unlawful dietary supplements. Four were arrested on Tuesday and two are expected to surrender, the Justice department said. The indictment says that USPlabs used a synthetic stimulant manufactured in China to make Jack3d and OxyElite Pro but told retailers that the supplements were made from plant extracts." The FTC is working on this as well, and their press release has more details. The DoJ's case involves "more than 100 makers and marketers" of these supplements. It's about time.

161 comments

  1. Consistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can lie all you want about what the ingredients do, but you can't get away with lying about what they are.

    1. Re:Consistent by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      Not exactly. In 1951, the FTC went against the makers of Carter's Little Liver Pills because they neither had any liver (or liver extract) in them nor worked on the liver. The company settled by agreeing to take the word "liver" out of the name.

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    2. Re:Consistent by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Carter's Little Liver Pills ( actually bisacodyl ) were laxative pills sold as "medication" for headache, constipation, dyspepsia, and biliousness . Shows how important taking a good dump can be.

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    3. Re:Consistent by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. I read all about them in the Wikipedia article I linked to.

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    4. Re:Consistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?

    5. Re:Consistent by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When you got explosive shits, you stop worrying about headaches.

      It works!

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    6. Re:Consistent by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You can't make medical claims, which the supplement people are generally careful not to do. At least on the container. And there's a lot of things you can write that look like medical claims but aren't quite.

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  2. Regulation please by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is mind boggling how little rules or enforcement there is in the supplement and food industries. We need a strong, well funded regulatory agency that is not beholden to the industry to protect us from the inevitable corrupt businesses who are willing to poison us in their efforts to make a buck.

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    1. Re:Regulation please by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is America! People should be free to poison other people. Not to worry, the invisible hand of the market will fix it, or a guy with a gun.

      AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

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    2. Re:Regulation please by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason this "supplement" law got passed was reaction to total stupidity in the other direction -- the FDA was trying to assert power to require a prescription for vitamins.

      I kind of like Jerry Pournelle's proposal -- it should be perfectly legal to sell snake oil, as long as the bottle accurately describes the ingredients, and contains actual oil from actual snakes. And, under the Pournelle Rule, these bozos would be perfectly open to prosecution, since they didn't put whatever weird organic compounds some quack in China whomped up on their label.

      I absolutely do not want the FDA preventing me from getting vitamin D pills with more than 400 units of D.

    3. Re:Regulation please by gruntled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uh, no. The claim is anybody was trying to force consumers to get a prescription to purchase supplements is bogus. http://www.snopes.com/politics...

    4. Re:Regulation please by gruntled · · Score: 2

      To be clear: There is a lot of interest in forcing the supplement industry to document that their products are both safe and effective (like, you know, every other over the counter medication) but that's it.

    5. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon The Donald will propose building a Cellular Wall to keep poison out of America, and the Chinese fake pill manufacturers will pay for it somehow.

    6. Re:Regulation please by youngone · · Score: 2
      There was an attempt a few years ago where I live to regulate all the "Nutritional Products" and "Supplements" companies, but there was a huge backlash and it never happened.

      I can't remember the arguments against proper testing and labeling but the minister involved backed down and it all went away.

      Someone was even on the radio defending homeopathic remedies, and I remember her stating something along the lines that the manufacturers would go out of business if they were forced into having independent testing, and that statement went completely unchallenged. Weird.

    7. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing more squirmy than listening to a Religious Libertarian explain why medicine regulations are evil and somehow there'd magically be fewer deaths or organ damage caused if the Invisible Hand were left unhindered. Sometimes I wish I were so simple minded that I thought an ideological solution like pure capitalism or communism could create a utopia, as feeling happy while wholly evading rational thought must be blissful.

    8. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon The Donald will propose building a Cellular Wall to keep poison out of America, and the Chinese fake pill manufacturers will pay for it somehow.

      Sounds better than the ObamaDerp "reforming" health care by forcing us to buy insurance from the insurance companies. The insurance companies paid for that, too. I wonder why....

    9. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I think the DoJ and FTC should be going after people who mislabel their products--that's fraud, plain and simple, and if it's fraud that led to deaths, all the more serious and all the more reason to prosecute.

      On the other hand, I don't think it should go further than that. I worry about statements like this on Vox (one of the links in the summary post):

      "To remove a supplement from the market, the FDA first has to prove that it's not safe — which is what happened in the case of OxyElite Pro. This is basically the opposite of how pharmaceuticals are regulated. There, drugmakers need to prove their medicines are safe and effective through high-quality scientific studies before they ever reach consumers."

      It should be the case that the FDA should have to prove it's not safe. That's the whole innocent before proven guilty thing. Even if it's not safe, I don't think the government should be involved in regulating claims. If someone wants to drink poison, that's their business as far as I'm concerned. This is where this is all goes off the rails for me--the government should be persecuting fraud, but not acting as an authoritarian nanny. Drug regulation should be eliminated completely.

      I don't understand why it's a mystery why health care costs are so high--the government does everything possible to strip power from individuals taking their health in their own hands. They remove the ability for people to procure medications for themselves, grant corrupt monopolies to guilds in the form of unnecessary licensing laws, and then turn a blind eye to monopoly development in insurance and hospital systems. Then they want to prevent people from getting supplements too, because they don't approve of it? F that. The FDA should be restricted to monitoring for fraud and adulteration. That's it.

    10. Re:Regulation please by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      And how do you expect to do that? The US goverment in its entirty is beholden to industry, and have shown its willingless to say anythign about food to increase profits.

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    11. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much benefit do you think you'll actually get by sucking down all that D in pill form? How much of that does your body actually put to use, if any? Or would you rather listen to the pill pusher's unchallenged cure-all claims and chomp on your placebo like a good consumer.

    12. Re:Regulation please by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Quirkly little story, actually. Aside from the usual 'regulators toothless, undermanned, scammers multiply and scurry like cockroaches' issue, which is the case generally; "supplements" are a weird little world of their own.

      For I-know-not-what cultural or historical reasons, Utah is ground zero for the American 'dietary supplement' industry(since many of these companies also use multilevel marketing arrangments; the joke is that 'MLM' stands for 'mormons losing money'). Senator Orrin Hatch obliged his hometown industry with the DSHEA, which theoretically limited FDA scrutiny of anything classified as a 'dietary supplement' to enforcement of sound manufacturing practices(in practice, resources are limited enough that most of the market evades even that level of scrutiny, which is why you get thinks like herbal supplements that don't even contain measurable levels of DNA from the species they are supposed to be made of; and 'natural' remedies that mysteriously contain 'contaminants' that happen to be dubiously sourced drugs that are actually known to have some effect in line with what the supplement is supposed to do.)

      If a supplement kills enough people outright (as with ephedra a number of years back) the FDA can get it pulled; but it's a reactive process. In practice, given the legal limits of what the FDA can do, at the even tighter practical limits, you see moves like this where the FTC, DoJ, or a state AG smacks one of the vendors down for egregiously fraudulent labeling that doesn't even accurately describe what is in the bottle. If you actually honestly label your product, you are an honest vendor by the standards of the trade, and have very little to worry about.

    13. Re: Regulation please by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      regulations are evil and somehow there'd magically

      There's no magic involved. The FDA effectively bans the chemicals, people want them anyway, retailers find a way (these were usually kept under the checkout counter). I've tried this stuff, it did little for me and wasn't worth the price, but some people did see benefits. Everybody buying it was aware of the rouse - you can't accidentally ask for the stuff stored under the register. Nobody thought it contained flower extracts.

      The ban is the entire reason for the inaccurate labels - and the high prices. There should be several brands competing for shelfspace at Walmart by vying for the best third-party certification. This is extremely simple market economics as soon as you take off your rose-colored glasses about what political edicts can achieve. In reality they cause chaos.

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    14. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck them for banning ephedra. It's a goddamned plant.

    15. Re:Regulation please by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      If that was the case, then the FDA wouldn't have announced an incoming nationwide trans fat ban.

      Also if that was the case, then there would be FDA approval for certain surgical procedures that you can't get done here.

      Take for example, I myself need corneal cross-linking to halt the progression keratoconus, which has been done safely in other countries for about 17 years now. A company called Avedro is lobbying really hard to get it approved so that they can start selling the equipment and drugs required to perform the procedure, but the FDA has continually denied it every year, instead opting to just wait until you go all out blind and then get a corneal transplant as their current preferred treatment option.

    16. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are Nightshade, Bitter Casava, Hemlock and Castor Beans. What's your point?

    17. Re:Regulation please by hey! · · Score: 2

      The problem with that rule is that it presumes people are reasonable -- as in still in possession of their reason.

      I have a young relative who is an anti-vaxxer. She's not stupid; she's paranoid -- about corporations and authority figures. It's the left-wing version of the right wing's hysterical climate denialism. Unfortunately she's not only nutty; she's also extremely charismatic. She's set herself up as a "certified" alternative health coach and she's recently started spreading anti-chemotherapy propaganda, although I think I've dissuaded her not to do that. She claimed she was just "sharing information", but my argument was that people are overwhelmed with contradictory data; she had to take into account that people will believe information they get from her *because* it came from her.

      Now you could argue that people who buy snake oil get what they deserve -- I'd concede that point. But the people around them affected by their taking snake oil instead of medicine don't deserve what *they* get, especially if the dupe in question is a parent who is taking herbs instead of getting cancer treatment or is sending her kids to a "measles party" instead of getting them vaccinated.

      I'm not sure what you're referring to about Vitamin D; the only regulation proposal I've heard is that the FDA is recommending the 400 units (the current RDA) be clearly marked on eyedroppers for liquid formulations, which seems sensible. They apparently limit vitamin D in milk to 400 units, which seems kind of low, but I think the rationale is that consumers might not be able track all the vitamin D they get from various sources. Now personally I've seen gel caps for sale offering 10,000 units, which is getting to the point where a person of normal weight could poison himself by taking four or five pills a day.

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    18. Re:Regulation please by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      I generally trust Snopes, but I think I'll go with my actual memory of the time over Snopes on this one. (I'm probably way older than most of the people here.) The story they're debunking is some goofy rumor about the Obama administration; this was back in the 80s or 90s, as I recall.

      I don't do all the wacky stuff. Having reached a certain age, B12 supplements are a good idea. I'm also prescribed stupid amounts of time-release niacin for cholesterol control which I'd actually prefer not to take; hot flashes aren't fun. And, I do take a D3 pill; D supplements do have good science behind them, and the "400 units" is the amount empirically determined to be "adequate" to stave off a serious deficiency disease, rickets. Optimum is apparently a good bit more than that, I have a family history of skin cancer that I'd like to avoid, and it's hard to get a lot of D from dietary sources. (I like sardines, but I don't like them that much.) No toxicity has been observed at levels up to 50,000 units; I just take 2,000 units. (Or is it 4,000?) I do seem to get a lot fewer colds than I used to, and it's cheap, so what the heck.

    19. Re:Regulation please by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Outright poisonous plants are not illegal. You can buy hemlock plants, wolfsbane flowers, belladonna plants, foxgloves, and daturas as ornamentals, if you so wish. If you choose to eat them, and subsequently die from it, well too damn bad. (fyi, daffodils are also poisonous.)

      But-- anything that might make you jumpy or might cause euphoria is a controlled substance, for the most part. ephedra falls into this category, as does the coca plant, peote cactus, psilocybin mushrooms, and a wealth of others.

      Clearly, it is not because of these plants being potentially toxic; You can order daffodils and foxgloves in just about any flower and seed catalogue-- The reason is because those plants have clearly pharmacological grade substances that may be addicting in them, and people would want to poison themselves with them. But we have to by contrary-marys over that too, by having things like coffee, tobacco, alcohol products, et al on the open market.

      Ultimately, the defining characteristic on if a given toxin containing plant will be illegal to grow or not boils down to the irrational demands of the public concerning said cultivation.

      I dont want a regulatory agency policing based on public opinion. I want one that judges based on scientific data, and does so consistently and reliably.

    20. Re:Regulation please by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You have to admit, it would eventually be a cure for stupid...

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    21. Re:Regulation please by sjames · · Score: 1

      Personally, I would prefer a point between the extremes. The FDA should mandate limits on toxicity, accurate labeling of contents, and reasonably accurate warnings for risks. It should certify efficacy, and it should recommend consulting a doctor (for drugs that are currently prescription only).

      I agree that NO regulation is a problem and also that over regulation is a problem. The current FDA seems to be the worst of both worlds. While they do everything in their power to expand the range of their regulation and demand metric assloads of paperwork, they somehow manage to fail at actually assuring safety or efficacy of anything.

    22. Re: Regulation please by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      By god, you're right. We'd get far better Meth if we didn't regulate the crap out of it and banned more and more precursors, forcing manufacturers into using worse and worse synthesis ways. And with many manufacturers of Meth competing with each other for the market, we'd eventually end up with the purest, most potent shit that's ever gotten us sky high!

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    23. Re:Regulation please by sjames · · Score: 1

      Ephedra didn't kill that many people, and the ones it did kill went way beyond any reasonable dose for months. Had they exceeded the dose of acetaminophen by the same amount, they would have been dead in a couple weeks.

      I have to wonder, if the labeling on the bottle hadn't had to be so circumspect in order to avoid the FDA, perhaps the users would have been more careful how much they took.

    24. Re:Regulation please by towermac · · Score: 1

      It's already illegal to poison people.

      Why would you forbid me to buy rose hips or dandelion essence or whatever? Ah, you wouldn't forbid. You would regulate to the point that only Johnson & Johnson could possibly sell the stuff.

      You'd use this lying about ingredients to impose the strict regulations you wanted all along, and put all supplement makers out of business.

      Holy crap are we trading freedom for safety.

    25. Re:Regulation please by towermac · · Score: 1

      "certify efficacy"

      That's your rabbit hole right there. Not only can no amount of paperwork do such a thing for most supplements, that requirement would almost guarantee that nothing new could be discovered.

      We're not talking about something like an antibiotic, where it cures a disease in a short time and is easy to see. Where some scientist had a theory and tested it out in a safe and controlled manner. We're talking about concentrated food in a capsule, that may or may not have some effect on you, but it's calories with some nutritional value nonetheless. If you had some glaring deficiency, a supplement could feel like a miracle cure. Most people wouldn't believe you, and the supplement wouldn't have the same effect on them, but that's fine, isn't it?

      Now these guys apparently lied about the ingredients, which is already very tightly controlled by both the FDA and the FTC for anything you put in your mouth.

    26. Re: Regulation please by crmarvin42 · · Score: 1

      There's quite a bit of regulation on food, animal feed, and drugs for both. Unfortunately there was a large campaign to free the supplement market from having to comply with most of those regulations. It is why homeopathy can claim to cure shot when it does nothing. There is an old video from the campaign that basically says the FDA is going to arrest you for taking vitamins, complete with cinematic production quality and a celebrity so you know you can trust them.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mel+...

      The Food Safety Modernization Act is going to address most of the remaining loopholes in food and feed, but it still doesn't touch the dietary supplements market unfortunately. They have too strong of a lobby in congress. Hopefully shot like this will erode their support.

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    27. Re:Regulation please by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      Take for example, I myself need corneal cross-linking to halt the progression keratoconus, which has been done safely in other countries for about 17 years now. A company called Avedro is lobbying really hard to get it approved so that they can start selling the equipment and drugs required to perform the procedure, but the FDA has continually denied it every year, instead opting to just wait until you go all out blind and then get a corneal transplant as their current preferred treatment option.

      That would be because some other company already has the market cornered for corneal replacement and doesn't want an alternative that avoids this to take hold...

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    28. Re:Regulation please by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Stop putting your disgusting words in my mouth!

      Ideally, I'd like a strong regulatory agency that inspects manufacturing facilities, lab tests products, and enforces truth in labeling. I'd prefer just about anything to be legal, as long as it is as labeled.

      It is crazy, but right now most food and supplements are completely uninspected. It could be anything in there, grocery store wide.

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    29. Re:Regulation please by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Walnuts are poison because scientifically they have proven beneficial to certain heart conditions? That's right, Walnuts can't make a scientifically provable claim, because the claim is reserved for drugs. Nice strawman though.

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    30. Re:Regulation please by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, Snopes is notorious for using Strawmen for their "debunking". They frame the question, and use one of the more ridiculous examples, rather than the actual one people want to see. I've Caught them enough times to find the whole site more or less untrustworthy as a reference.

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    31. Re:Regulation please by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I dont want a regulatory agency policing based on public opinion

      Oxymoronic desire you have there.

      Regulatory Agency is funding in by politicians who get elected on the basis of public opinion. The fact that you THINK they are removed from each other (public/agency) is cute.

      I am a Libertarian, and oppose most regulations because of this very reason. It isn't that all regulation is bad, it is that some of the resulting regulations are REALLY bad (awful). It will point out that Cannabis is so regulated that any potential good that it also might provide is negated by the fear of the stoners.

      Or my favorite, Walnuts are drugs if you make the scientific claims that are provable about walnuts. (The FDA rule was about the claims, not the science behind them)

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    32. Re:Regulation please by sjames · · Score: 1

      No rabbit hole. Note that the FDA's certification would not be at all necessary to legally sell a product. That would be a voluntary process, Likewise, seeing a doctor before using a prescription recommended drug would be voluntary. Only the toxicity, QC, and labeling requirements would be mandatory.

    33. Re: Regulation please by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You sir are my new hero.

      Meth for all! Down with regulation!

      Do you think Meth would help APK or hinder him?

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    34. Re:Regulation please by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      although I think I've dissuaded her not to do that.

      You may want to rethink that strategy and instead dissuade he from doing it, or convince her not to do it. When you combine them, you are encouraging her to do it.

      Double negatives are fun :)

      As far as Vitamin D, some people need those pills. If you don't naturally produce vitamin D (rickets and other diseases), you need large doses to maintain the levels to remain healthy. Who wants to take 10 400 unit pills to maintain proper levels of vitamin D?

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    35. Re:Regulation please by towermac · · Score: 1

      That is not true about the completely uninspected thing. They can come anytime they want with the authority of God's nephews. I'm sure statistics can be had that show that a Federal employee has not inspected the majority of sites in a given year. But believe me, you live in fear of the FDA if you're in the industry. Well, except I guess, these guys. I bet they got the fear now.

      And everything you listed; inspect, test, enforce; I am in complete agreement with. That is exactly what the FDA is supposed to be doing.

      I'm talking about the kind of regulations that cost you hundreds of man-hours before you can even begin to do business, and then you have to wait months for an answer before you can ship product. And the answer is often 'Need clarity on section 5, subsection D, pages 323-344...'

      That is what they mean by a strong, well-funded regulatory agency. The FDA and FTC have all the authority they need right now, and then some. If they are not getting enough money, then possibly we should be looking at the Federal budget.

    36. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can not poison yourself with vitamin D3.
      Without D vitamin, your T-lymphocytes will not work properly.
      Without D3, magnesium, calcium, phosphorus will not be absorbed by body.
      Use about 5000 - 10000 iu a day. Use D3 not D2.

    37. Re:Regulation please by towermac · · Score: 1

      Ah. That's what industry groups are for. If they are doing a good job (which they do), then as a taxpayer, why would I want to take on that cost for no additional benefit?

      Additionally, once trusted industry groups are known, then the pool of companies that should be closely monitored, like these guys, shrinks considerably.

      So what were you thinking the fee would be, to submit your supplement, let's say it's fiber, to the FDA for efficacy certification?

    38. Re:Regulation please by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      Yeah... Like the silly "Obama's doing it" rumor they rightly debunked, leaving the FDA rule proposal from the previous century un-remarked-on.

      Snopes does have their biases, granted. They seem more likely to rigorously "put to the question" things that go against their biases than those that agree with them. But I haven't caught them in a lie. If they say they've researched something, my impression is that they have researched what they said they researched, and got the answers they say they got. An honest researcher, even with biases that are not mine, is a valuable source of information.

    39. Re:Regulation please by sjames · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I don't know what the fee might be. That would depend on way too many unknown (to me) variables. But I don't see why private certification groups couldn't co-exist.

    40. Re: Regulation please by dywolf · · Score: 1

      right on cue.

      who needs doctors and pharmacists, and all that training they go through to learn about dosages, and interactions, side effects, and every other detail that could fill a book?

      see the racks of drugs in the pharmacy at walgreens? thousands of them
      just open it up, and let the customers walk through it themselves and decide for themselves.
      im sure everything will be fine.

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    41. Re:Regulation please by dywolf · · Score: 1

      no.
      innocent before proven guilty does not (or should not) apply in the realm of consumer safety, particularly for things we put in our bodies to achieve certain results after being led to believe there is some physical or medical benefit to it.

      that's how people die.
      and they have.
      even though libertarians like to ignore history.

      and your analysis of medical costs is also completely detached from reality, as is your suggestion that we shouldn't require doctors to have medical licenses. again: simple history is all it takes to make a libertarian look foolish.

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    42. Re:Regulation please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah yes, the 'liberal bias' of snopes.
      but then reality has a liberal bias,
      which is why you folks don't engage in reality.

    43. Re:Regulation please by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      While I'm pretty sure you are trying to be a troll, you actually have a valid point.
      We need more studies about absorption of vitamins to figure out how to make them work better. As it stands the majority of our vitamins are simply pissed out the same day we take them instead of being absorbed and used.

  3. resemblance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't help but to notice the resemblance between the snake oil peddlers and the politicians.
    Both lies about what they do, but are held accountable for what they are ... eventually, on a good day when the moon is in the right phase;
    and for the snake oil peddlers, when they forgot to pay somebody off... ahm, make appropriate campaign contribution.

    1. Re:resemblance by youngone · · Score: 0
      Any company called Sunrise Nutraceuticals LLC just sounds suspect to me.

      The Nutraceuticals part sounds all sciencey and healthy too, but means nothing really.

    2. Re:resemblance by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't help but to notice the resemblance between the snake oil peddlers and the politicians.

      With Ben Carson you can have both.

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    3. Re:resemblance by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The supplement industry as a whole is typically that way. And while TFS states "It's about time", I'm not so sure.

      People who buy this shit seem like they WANT to get ripped off. If you try to explain to them scientifically why the claims don't make sense, they'll respond with some spiel about how how it makes them feel so much better, how they never get sick anymore (I roll my eyes when I hear people make the later claim, especially when they claim shit like vegetarian diets make them never sick anymore) when in reality it's a combination of placebo and confirmation bias.

      And then there's claims from people who hear about MSG, HFCS, or Aspartame, and then from that point onward claim that one or all makes them sick or feel bad, even though it's scientifically proven that these same people don't actually develop any symptoms so long as they aren't consciously aware that what they eat actually has any of it, just like that electromagnetic hypersensitivity bullshit.

      This all is really just the modern incarnation of prayer as a cure, and overpriced shit from Whole Foods (which sells a lot of junk food) is the modern equivalent of buying indulgences.

    4. Re: resemblance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These sport supplements loaded with stimulants make you crazy hyped up . No placebo affect

    5. Re: resemblance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like it is a good thing.

    6. Re:resemblance by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't mind people buying the crap, stuffing their face with it and croaking.

      I fuckin' DO mind if they stuff that shit into their kids to allegedly cure things like Autism with the sole reason to get away with their MbP screw loose.

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    7. Re: resemblance by towermac · · Score: 1

      Did anyone die? Did people get what they paid for?

    8. Re: resemblance by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      More importantly, you can actually have scientific evidence to back up claims, but not be able to make the claims because the claims themselves are reserved for "Drugs". Walnuts are drugs, but only if you claim the scientific proof of what they do. Can't have that now can we?

      It isn't that walnuts are drugs. It isn't that the effects of walnuts isn't provable. It is that to claim what studies have shown, makes walnuts into "drugs" per FDA, and thus the walnut packagers cannot mention the scientific evidence regarding the "heart healthy" benefits.

      Yes, I know the FDA won, but that doesn't negate the reality of the story, walnuts are natural and actually reduces risk for certain heart conditions. But to make those claims, requires walnuts to be classified as a "drug" and subject to FDA approval. This is simply insane.

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    9. Re:resemblance by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Any company called Sunrise Nutraceuticals LLC just sounds suspect to me.

      The Nutraceuticals part sounds all sciencey and healthy too, but means nothing really.

      Mere names mean nothing as well, unless you're ignorant enough to believe "Marlboro" and "Budweiser" are somehow health products peddled by caring and loving executives.

    10. Re: resemblance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, the issue in this case is that they put in chemical that made them actually work.

      The government seems mad because they weren't honest about the source of the chemical, so now they can put ineffective snake oil back in.

    11. Re: resemblance by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I don't know about hungry, but I noticed a few years ago when I'd use it, I wouldn't get tuckered out while lifting. I wasn't getting winded. It really boosted stamina. Just 1 minute of rest between sets and I was ready to go again. Eventually though, that effect seemed to taper off, and I stopped with all that stuff. Well, partly because I haven't had my lazy ass in a gym for 3 years.

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    12. Re: resemblance by s.t.a.l.k.e.r._loner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did anyone die? The answer to that is a resounding...maybe. There's no question that the active ingredient, DMAA (dimethylamylamine), is a fairly powerful stimulant. It also constricts blood vessels, thereby increasing blood pressure. Any stimulant with cardiovascular effects has the potential for adverse effects, including heart attack or stroke. In the most recent info I found with a cursory Google search, the FDA says it has received numerous reports of adverse effects, and at least five deaths which occurred with users of DMAA products. This is not proof of causation, but because it's a plausible mechanism it bears close scrutiny.

  4. snake oil, good fer what ails ya. by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    removes paint, too.

    1. Re:snake oil, good fer what ails ya. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're sort the opposite of a snake oil salesman. They said they were selling (useless) plant extracts but were actually selling a potent synthetic stimulant.

  5. Oh! Oh! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    What about Mannatech?

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  6. Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    All of this came from two morons that believed in Magic. Senator Hatch (R) and Harkins (D) were convinced that the FDA were holding back nutritional supplements simply because they science said they couldn't work. So they carved out an exception allowing vague health claims to be made without the FDA slamming them down.

    This re-created the snake oil industry that the FDA had killed, with but minor regulations preventing extreme claims - and also made it difficult for the FDA to prosecute if the company did make those claims.

    Hatch and Harkin killed more Americans than most Senators, and helped enrich a whole generation of scamsters.

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    1. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They must have been friends of that snake-oil salesman Dr. Oz.

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    2. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by rwyoder · · Score: 2

      Yes, the Hatch essentially turned the regulations upside down;
      Previously, you could only use ingredients that had been proven safe.
      Afterward, you could use any ingredient you wanted...until it was proven dangerous.

    3. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by rwyoder · · Score: 1

      They must have been friends of that snake-oil salesman Dr. Oz.

      We also have a snake-oil salesman running for POTUS right now.
      Here he is doing a commercial for Mannatech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    4. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Given that proving something safe can only be done by big corporations, and will only be done if they stand to make a return on investment.... fuck that philosophy.

    5. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevermind that both of them had ties the supplement industry. (And never mind that a current GOP nomination frontrunner also does too!)

      Behind every pseudo-science claim there is a well connected scam artist ready to make a buck. Its and old, old, old con. There are literally warnings about this in the fucking /bible/.

    6. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because hurting people for money is a great philosophy.

    7. Re:Result of the Idiots Hatch and Harkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something tells me that these companies would get far less publicity and far less money if that crackpot were behind bars.

  7. Labeling GMO products by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Yet they still won't enforce the labeling of GMO products. How in the world is a forward looking person to seek out genetically altered produce if it isn't identified as such? Sure, we can avoid things labeled as "organic", but from what I understand that is no guarantee that the product has not actually been improved by science. One can not benefit from science if one is not made aware that science has provided a alternative to nature. We really need much better truth in labeling laws in the US.

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  8. This is BS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want my Metabolife 356 back!!!

  9. Horsefeathers by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Political nonsense comments aside, this reminds me of when a few companies were prosecuted for claiming the garments they sold contained goose down, when they actually contained feathers. The official said it would be okay if the jackets were be filled with 100% horse feathers as long as that was what the label said.

  10. Further Reading by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was an amateur boxer for a few years with no notable accomplishments. One thing I did notice was that supplement companies are COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT. There is a particularly eye-opening documentary about steroids called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" where the director creates his own supplement using unknown ingredients and gives it an obscene markup, and they don't even have to list their ingredients. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Further Reading by rwyoder · · Score: 1

      Since I have no mod points today to give you, I'll just say "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" is indeed an *excellent* film that presents a refreshingly non-hysterical look at doping and supplements in athletics.

    2. Re:Further Reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, when my wife was pregnant she wanted to take all kinds of supplements but I wouldn't let her buy them. Scaring pregnant women with made up shit like "low birth weight" and "neural tube defect" should be illegal.

    3. Re:Further Reading by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Gotta love a documentary that takes a good swipe at Arnold Schwarzenegger too for being a bad roll model that claimed to support healthy living but did every steroid and HGH ever made.

  11. Wait... by jafiwam · · Score: 1

    They actually put something in these pills that might have some effect? Isn't that sort of rare? What if the chinese stuff actually works for once?

    1. Re:Wait... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      It's actually not uncommon: The homeopathy guys are the ones who got to great lengths to avoid active ingredients; but the 'herbal supplements' industry learned some time ago that customer satisfaction is improved if the customer gets to bask in how 'natural' and 'wholistic' the remedy is(and skip tedious prescription paperwork); but it also actually does something useful because of 'impurities' that...coincidentally...tend to be dubiously sourced drugs that actually have the effect that the plant matter is supposed to have.

  12. Now and then for HARMFUL supplements by peter303 · · Score: 1

    But unlike drugs the maker doesnt have to prove saftey nor effectiveness in advance.

  13. hu hu sheng wei by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    As long as the FDA doesn't mess with the dick pills that I buy at the gas station. I like that they're right by the counter with the 5-hour energy, slim jims and cherry-flavored Philly blunts. Makes for efficient one-stop shopping.

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  14. Wonder if this will stop wallmart and Wallgreens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from selling vitamins made from "plant matter". Basically they recently got caught selling chopped up house plants as "vitamins".

  15. This is how it should be by trout007 · · Score: 1

    There is no way to tell what ingredients will do to an individual. I love peanuts, they are a cheap source or protein for me. They also cause massive allergic reactions and death for some people.

    So just make sure if something has peanuts in it that it's labeled.

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    1. Re: This is how it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, we need to rid the world of weak DNA.

      If you get taken out by peanuts then you aren't the right stuff for humanity. /s

  16. They were in the wrong market sector by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
    If you want to profit with products that kill people, you had best do it in a different market.

    Take Ford. By their own admission, they have killed over 125 (or is it 150 or 200 or ???) people with a bad ignition switch. It's called mass murder. Except that you will never hear that phrase on TV or in the press. Why? Just notice how many car commercials there are on TV and in the press. No connection at all, just ask any ethical journalist. You'll find one riding a unicorn.

    You know what happened to Ford? Not much. A few people were fired (the horror), but no one at the top. They paid some fines. Unless a victim is willing to take them to court the compensation was capped at $1 million. They are under three years "suspended prosecution", which is the corporate equivalent of house arrest with no ankle monitor or any other kind of oversight. And their stock is up. And they are really really sorry. Really.

    Honestly, it's almost a surprise that the government didn't try and send the victims to jail for conspiracy because they found out that there was a flaw in the switch, and this was covered by the DCMA.

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    1. Re:They were in the wrong market sector by Forgefather · · Score: 1

      The faulty ignition switch was a GM issue not a Ford issue. Ford doesn't get out scott free however as they were the ones that created the Pinto

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    2. Re:They were in the wrong market sector by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Yea the Pinto that miraculously explodes when hit from the rear and the trunk is full of explosives.

      In all seriousness the car did have a significant design flaw, a flaw that exists in a lot of cars because it's actually pretty hard to protect a tank of fluid that is more explosive than dynamite.

    3. Re:They were in the wrong market sector by Major+Blud · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one is going to take you seriously if you can't get simple facts straight.

      "Take Ford. By their own admission, they have killed over 125 (or is it 150 or 200 or ???) "

      It was GM, not Ford.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  17. Original Jack3d is the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took that stuff for years and it was the best pre-workout supplement. I know it was risky/dangerous but man that stuff actually worked. Nothing else like it. Thanks (aka fuck you) to the US government agencies who won't let adults make their own decisions on what's best for them.

    1. Re:Original Jack3d is the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously let me make my own decisions about shady chemicals the FDA and drug companies gave up on. Let me weight the risk and reward myself.

    2. Re:Original Jack3d is the best by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I took that stuff for years and it was the best pre-workout supplement. I know it was risky/dangerous but man that stuff actually worked. Nothing else like it. Thanks (aka fuck you) to the US government agencies who won't let adults make their own decisions on what's best for them.

      If it's results you're after and don't give a shit about your health, then just take steroids.

      If you're unconcerned about safety, why even bother with legality...

  18. Australia has this figured out already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Australia, to sell supplements companies have to be able to show the ingredients are what the label says and must confirm structure and function. This is worlds beyond the US way of doing things.

    Read up on it.

    1. Re:Australia has this figured out already by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > In Australia, to sell supplements companies have to be able to show the ingredients are what the label says and must confirm structure and function.

      So we can just order from Aussie companies to get stuff that has been vetted?

  19. Regulation, but after we feel better? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's nothing more squirmy than listening to a Religious Libertarian explain why medicine regulations are evil and somehow there'd magically be fewer deaths or organ damage caused if the Invisible Hand were left unhindered.

    I'd like to draw a line between Religious Libertarians and smug physicians and point out that *both* ends of the line cause unnecessary medical suffering.

    The themes "do no harm regardless of cost" and "federal agency takes the blame for safety, but not the costs" have driven medical research to a standstill for the last 40 years.

    There can be no medicines for afflictions that affect less than a billion people, simply because it takes $1.5 billion to bring a drug to market.

    We're running out of antibiotics(*), we've already got diseases which are impervious to *all* antibiotics, and there are no new ones in the horizon.

    Someone here (on slashdot) put this into perspective: peanuts would not be allowed under FDA rules.

    Let's take peanuts as an example for discussion. Considering that they are easy to grow, and can be nourishing, can we outline an FDA procedure that costs less than $1.5 billion, and yet addresses the issues in a sane manner?

    Let's divide this by a factor of 1,000: Can we get good safety regulations for peanuts for under $1.5 million?

    I think we could. I'm not a Religious Libertarian, but from a purely mathematical standpoint it's obvious that letting people die because the treatment isn't known safe (absence of evidence is evidence of absence) is less efficient than the middle ground.

    Probably more - I think more people die because we don't have working antibiotics than die from complications of supplements.

    (*) Note that we've run out of antibiotics *not* because we keep feeding them to livestock, but because it's too expensive to make new ones. If we had 25 separate antibiotics and used them in a staggered pattern 5 years each (5 years of use, followed by 20 years of abstinence) we would never lack for working antibiotics.

    1. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      (*) Note that we've run out of antibiotics *not* because we keep feeding them to livestock

      Honestly the whole opposition to antibiotics in livestock is inhumane. A lot of morons out there perpetuate the myth that antibiotics are given to healthy animals (they aren't unless the herd has been infected and they need to inoculate to prevent spread of disease) and that antibiotics in livestock make it to your plate (they don't.) Likewise, they also don't contribute to multi-drug resistant bugs; that's actually caused almost entirely by overly sterile hospital environments, and those bugs ORIGINATE in human hospitals, NOT from cattle farms.

      Meanwhile companies like Chipotle are pressuring suppliers to stop using antibiotics because of popular customer demand. So instead they buy from slaughterhouses that, when an animal gets sick, it either gets no treatment at all, or very inadequate treatment, and is allowed to suffer and die. Because, you know, antibiotics in livestock is bad, even though there's no scientific basis for that statement. In fact the whole thing started because some alarmist blogger noted that 80% of antibiotics made are sold to cattle farms, ignoring completely that the animals that require them are much larger and therefore need a MUCH BIGGER dose to have the same effect.

    2. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone here (on slashdot) put this into perspective: peanuts would not be allowed under FDA rules.

      That person is exaggerating. The incidence of peanut allergy is 1% (the vast majority of which are not severe enough to be life threatening); the incidence of asprin allergy is 2-5%. FDA is not about ensuring that compounds are completely without risk - they're about balancing risk and benefit. So, if FDA regulated food, you could be sure that food containing peanuts or peanut derivatives would be labeled as such, and you could be sure that manufacturing processes limited cross contamination between peanut-containing and peanut-free products. This would surely make peanut-free products more expensive, but they would not take your peanuts or shrimp away.

    3. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      So, if FDA regulated food . . .

      If the Food and Drug Administration regulated food??

    4. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Anitbiotics are given to poultry & livestock even when they're not sick (yet - given the conditions in some of the factory farms, it can be real easy for them to get sick.) It's done to enhance growth.
      And some of the antibiotics and their metabolites do make it into milk, feces, and urine.

    5. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by Incadenza · · Score: 1

      A lot of morons out there perpetuate the myth that antibiotics are given to healthy animals (they aren't unless the herd has been infected and they need to inoculate to prevent spread of disease)

      And there are even more morons out there that never check their facts. It took me less than a minute to find a Dutch governmental report, Health Council of the Netherlands: Committee on Antimicrobial growth promotors. Antimicrobial growth promotors. Rijswijk: Health Council of the Netherlands, 1998; publication no. 1998/15., on the widespread use of antibiotics in the livestock industry to promote growth.

      Of course they don't call them antibiotics in the industry, they are labelled as "antimicrobial performance enhancers".

    6. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Note that we've run out of antibiotics *not* because we keep feeding them to livestock, but because it's too expensive to make new ones.

      That's not true anymore. Several strains of resistance have been tracked down to specific industrial farms.
      And to inject my opinion in the discussion: the marketers who've been claiming for decades that it's OK to daily feed antibiotics to cattle, never mind all the indications to the contrary, should be given the death penalty for all the irreparable damage it's gonna cause.

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    7. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The FDA, where Whole milk is dangerous and 32 Vaccine shots are "safe"

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    8. Re: Regulation, but after we feel better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A.k.a. tge reality based community.

    9. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some of the antibiotics and their metabolites do make it into milk, feces, and urine.

      I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to avoid consuming the feces and urine regardless of their antibiotics content.

    10. Re:Regulation, but after we feel better? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part where they contain known neurotoxins in doses exceeding the yearly exposure for an adult, but we give them to infants. Infants whose blood-brain barrier has not yet finished forming, and are incapable of having the immune response which makes the vaccine provide immunity.

  20. Optimum health? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    How much benefit do you think you'll actually get by sucking down all that D in pill form? How much of that does your body actually put to use, if any? Or would you rather listen to the pill pusher's unchallenged cure-all claims and chomp on your placebo like a good consumer.

    Let's take a trip down memory lane and recall how the RDA for vitamin D was established.

    The FDA measured the amount of vitamin D people were getting throughout America, and then took the average value.

    As anyone who isn't a physician can tell you, people living in the Northern latitudes get less vitamin D because they get less sunshine, and depending on where you live, from November through February you aren't getting any at all. And vitamin D has a half-life of about 6 weeks in the body, which is why we have a "cold and flu" season: once we stop getting sunshine, everyone's D levels drop low enough to depress our immune system.

    More recently, they measured the vitamin D in a Spanish farmer working his fields w/o a shirt, and decided that he gets 50,000 IU of vitamin D each day.

    So you tell me: 400 IU of vitamin D will prevent disease, but how much is the correct amount for optimum health?

    1. Re:Optimum health? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      As anyone who isn't a physician can tell you, people living in the Northern latitudes get less vitamin D because they get less sunshine, and depending on where you live, from November through February you aren't getting any at all. And vitamin D has a half-life of about 6 weeks in the body, which is why we have a "cold and flu" season: once we stop getting sunshine, everyone's D levels drop low enough to depress our immune system.

      Not exactly. The FDA recommendation assumes that you aren't receiving any D vitamin from sunlight at all. This assumption actually works universally because if you already have sufficient D in your blood, then it causes negative feedback so that your skin doesn't end up creating more than is necessary. So whether you get lots of sun or none, you won't overdose on D so long as you take the recommended amount.

    2. Re:Optimum health? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Sure, but it is an open question of whether ingested megadoses of Vitamin C behave the same way, which was the poster's question. Sometimes nutrients act differently depending on how you get them; for example taking calcium supplements increases you chances of getting kidney stones, but eating the same amount in calcium-rich foods for some reason does not. So it's at least conceivable that getting 50,000 units of D through your gut might be a different story than 50,000 generated in your skin.

      In any case I doubt that farmer gets 50,000 every day year 'round. Spain is at around 40 degrees north latitude. If you took that much D in pill form you wouldn't get sick right away; it takes several months to poison yourself at that level, after which the Sun is going to be lower in the sky.

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    3. Re:Optimum health? by hankwang · · Score: 2

      "... why we have a "cold and flu" season: once we stop getting sunshine, everyone's D levels drop low enough to depress our immune system."

      Citation needed. At least Wikipedia states: "Beyond its use to prevent osteomalacia or rickets, the evidence for other health effects of vitamin D supplementation in the general population is inconsistent.[5][6]"

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  21. Canada is fucked too by phorm · · Score: 1

    Similar issues in Canada, where - so long as ingredients are mentioned in some book somewhere - you can make a natural remedy and have it on the shelves regardless of whether it really works or not.

  22. It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about space
    About two men in the strangest place

  23. bureaucrats can't fight ISIL attack supplements by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    What a brave, resourceful, federal system we have. No tailgating, swipe your badge.

  24. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fix the halal rort while you are there

  25. So why is he the ultimate liar??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because he's black, isn't it.

    1. Re:So why is he the ultimate liar??? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Just like Tiger Woods isn't Oriental (Tai / Chinese) because he is black, Obama isn't white because he is black.

      In other words, I love how people love to say race doesn't matter, when it obviously matters a great deal to them.

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    2. Re:So why is he the ultimate liar??? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Obama is half white and half black. His father was a black man from Muslim Africa, and his mother is a white woman from Hawaii.

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    3. Re:So why is he the ultimate liar??? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      yeah, I said as much. He's not half anything.

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    4. Re:So why is he the ultimate liar??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 after reading your greatest hits fail list you are the ultimate liar and ultimate screw up in computers.

  26. So you refused healthcare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you are in an accident, how many people who think like you would tell the emergency operators "No, please leave me here to die on the road because I don't pay for health insurance and therefore do not deserve free medical care"?

    NONE.

    So, either you already buy health insurance, therefore making someone else who would otherwise freeload off your tax dollars better off have to pay their way, or you don't buy it and you're a freeloader off other people's taxes.

    1. Re:So you refused healthcare? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      or you don't buy it and you're a freeloader off other people's taxes.

      As usual you are assuming someone can't pay their own bills. Instead of thinking positive, that the person has taken responsibility for themselves and planned ahead by having money put aside, you're assuming all people are complete idiots and thus necessary to make everyone suffer by forcing them to hand over their money to a private company.

      Just goes to show how ridiculous your argument is when one considers how many people are now freeloading off other people's taxes through subsidies. Instead of a small percentage having to be propped up by the taxpayers we now have millions being propped up by the taxpayers.

      Mighty fine logic you have.

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    2. Re: So you refused healthcare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is truly the dumbest
      thing I have ever read. By this logic, none of us need health insurance, because we should all be saving for emergency costs instead. With so many people living paycheck to paycheck, how in the world do you expect that to happen?

      I'm pretty well off, and I do plenty of saving, but even we would not have been able to save for my daughter's medical care after she was born. She had two seizures twelve hours after she was born, and required a week in the NICU at a highly regarded hospital, and tons of tests. We would have been able to pay for the unexpected C-section that brought her into this world, but that unexpected week in the NICU ended up costing $250,000. Thank heavens I had insurance, or I would still be in debt for that today, 10 years later.

      Are you saying I should have known in advance to have a quarter of a million dollars in the bank, in case something happened after the birth of my daughter, before deciding to have a kid? Because almost no one of child-bearing age that I know has that kind of scratch lying around in reserve. Are we all "complete idiots," as you suggest?

      The point is, without insurance, tons of people ended up forever in debt or bankrupt due to completely unforeseen medical costs. Those unpaid medical bills? The rest of us paid for them in the form of higher medical costs, leading to higher insurance premiums.

      There are medical bills that, no matter how much you save, you will never be able to pay. Insurance is important because no one knows who will incur impossibly high medical costs and who won't.

    3. Re: So you refused healthcare? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, it would be far cheaper that way, and it is how almost every other western country does it.

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    4. Re:So you refused healthcare? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that in the case of a car accident (what you appear to be referencing) the medical care is paid for by the car insurance, not health insurance. Health insurance will actually deny the claim if they find out the injuries were caused by a car accident, even a hit and run.

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  27. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how our government is spending its time? When we're being infiltrated by terrorists, when Walmart is fleecing the taxpayer for $billions in welfare, and when Donald Trump is running for President, they're focusing their efforts on the mislabeling of something that any reasonable person knows is snake oil anyway?

    No wonder our country is so fucked up.

    1. Re:Seriously? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      This is how our government is spending its time? When we're being infiltrated by terrorists, when Walmart is fleecing the taxpayer for $billions in welfare, and when Donald Trump is running for President, they're focusing their efforts on the mislabeling of something that any reasonable person knows is snake oil anyway?

      No wonder our country is so fucked up.

      Uh, our country is also rather fucked up because of the massive lack of "reasonable" people who don't know any better.

      Of course, with the narcissist generation, it's almost impossible to tell if that's genuine stupidity or merely fashionable YOLO.

  28. Supplements, "spice" and other fake drugs by swb · · Score: 1

    Is the entire weight loss supplement market really just an attempt to re-create the magic of the good old days of Dexedrine for weight loss? Just like "space" and all the synthetic fake marijuana is an attempt to get around legal prohibition of marijuana?

    I wonder if we'd be better off just selling Dexedrine for weight loss. This way people would at least be taking a well-known substance with well-known risks and more or less predictable results, versus god knows what ("now with Melamine!") synthetics from China which are only "better for you" than Dexedrine because we know why Dexedrine can be bad for you.

    And of course the entire "Spice" market wouldn't exist at all, along with the similar markets for kratom and other exotic-but-not-quite-regulated-out-of-existence substances designed to provide hallucinogenic experiences, if plain old marijuana and mushrooms/peyote/LSD were legal.

  29. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  30. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened..

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

  31. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  32. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt!

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  33. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite You're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I AM... apk

    1. Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh oh looks like someone's off their meds again.

    2. Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Again? I don't know if he ever started taking his meds, but he sure needs to go in for a med check.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 aren't you the one who's retarded with assburgers and outism? You're the one who needs meds. Lots of them.

  34. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  35. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened..

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

  36. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  37. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  38. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I AM... apk

  39. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  40. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened..

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

  41. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  42. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  43. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I AM... apk

  44. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  45. Senator will not be happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), patron saint of all supplement pushers, will be displeased by this action. Expect to hear from his powerfulness.

  46. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened..

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

  47. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  48. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  49. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I AM... apk

  50. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  51. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened..

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking (Killing 10 by itself) Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk

  52. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  53. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  54. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I AM... apk