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Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinate Via Unencrypted SMS (techdirt.com)

schwit1 writes: In the wake of the tragic events in Paris last week encryption has continued to be a useful bogeyman for those with a voracious appetite for surveillance expansion. Like clockwork, numerous reports were quickly circulated suggesting that the terrorists used incredibly sophisticated encryption techniques, despite no evidence by investigators that this was the case. These reports varied in the amount of hallucination involved, the New York Times even having to pull one such report offline. Other claims the attackers had used encrypted Playstation 4 communications also wound up being bunk.

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  1. Justice by amightywind · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm glad the terrorists died a violent death. I am sorry Diesel the police dog was sacrificed for these muslim turds. May Diesel rest in peace.

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  2. Inch by inch tyranny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because terrorists use SMS we should monitor all SMS traffic. Because they use phones we should record all conversations. Because they use the Internet we should monitor all traffic. Because they drive cars, fly planes, and buy things at grocery stores.. we should monitor those too. In fact since terrorists use essentially everything non-terrorists use... then we should monitor everything. Put camera's in washroom stalls just in case the terrorists find a way to use them. Force people to wear microphones just in case they are terrorists. If you have done nothing wrong what do you have to worry about? Are you some kind of terrorist sympathizer? Let me mark down your objections on my suspect review and no fly list.

    Only monitoring everything will free us from the threat of tyranny once and for all. Complete and total control of everything by government officials is true freedom.

  3. Re: Damned Lies And Politics by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course they lie. This isn't about protecting you. Even after this revelation, watch them step up their attacks against crypto and privacy.

  4. Where's the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinate Via Unencrypted SMS". And where's the article to support that headline?!

  5. Re:SMS by Paleolibertarian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Encryption isn't needed if nobody is watching.

  6. Well, if it weren't for snowden... by VValdo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The logic of authoritarians:

    Thanks to Snowden's revelations, terrorists started using unbreakable encryption!!!!!!!

    Right. Except they didn't.

    That was pre-Snowden. Terrorists didn't know about encryption before that.

    Right again. Except they did.

    So, you see-- Snowden has "blood on his hands" for making terrorists aware of encryption, which they knew about for decades, so they could use it, which they didn't. And thank goodness for that, because if they had used encryption, the attacks might have been successful, which they were.

    Got it.

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  7. Re:They're using it to scare the public by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To support the military industrial complex.

    Wish the stupid ass people would realize all printed material is government fed propoganda, also called psychological warfare.

    I realize you're going to get modded into invisibility. But before that happens, I want to say that I believe there's a lot more to the whole ISIS/Daesh story than meets the eye.

    I'm old enough to remember when people thought MK-Ultra was just some conspiracy theorists dark fantasy. I mean, how could our government be using hallucinogenics to experiment on people for the purposes of mind control? When it turned out to be true, the story changed to, "Oh that. That was a long time ago, right?" When it turns out that some rather notable mass murderers turned out to have been subjects of MK-Ultra, the story changed back to, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory."

    When something in the news happens and all you can say is, "What the fuck?!", sometimes you should ask yourself, what indeed, the fuck is going on.

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  8. Re:They're using it to scare the public by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You should talk to a professional about your delusions. That's extremely paranoid, even for Slashdot.

    Maybe he's not the deluded one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  9. Re:Call of Duty in game chat by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quite scary

    Not really. It's far scarier to consider life in a panopticon where two people couldn't say something privately to eachother without the goverment listening to the conversation.

  10. When you're planning on blowing yourself up... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me that when you're planning to blow yourself up anyway - you're probably not that worried about getting caught after the fact, and there's so much traffic going around that open communications especially if using a simple codewords for obvious trigger phrases (so say "flowers' instead of "bombs" etc...) and very likely the best the intelligence folks will do is read your comms after you've succeeded and have gone to meet your 72 Virgins....

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  11. Re:Common pattern by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And ISIL has killed more people in Syria and Iraq than the police in the US have. Or are you saying that only first world, western lives count?

    ISIS is a bunch of fucking assholes who have taken a select number of passages out of a holy book and twisted them to fit their means. They rape, murder, steal, and a number of other horrible crimes. And they are creating greater racism around the world.

    We won't beat them by giving up our freedoms. We aren't going to beat them by dropping bombs on them. It's going to take a long, hard battle on the ground. But what is really going to defeat them in the long run is people getting along. Having temples attacked, blaming all Muslims, or calling for the refugees not to be admitted is just feeding the anger that causes people who join ISIS. They already feel apart from society and when we do those things we drive them further away. We need to embrace everyone and create an inclusive society or there will be other groups after ISIS.

  12. Re: Damned Lies And Politics by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So now we know for sure which are the propaganda mills in "mainstream" news. I read anti-encryption articles on at least CNN, MSN, Fox, and Infoworld. Are there any others worthy of mention in this context? They are now off my list of "reputable news" sources, though they may be useful for staying up on current events... take it with a grain of salt.

    The BBC: Paris attacks: Silicon Valley in crosshairs over encryption
    Some gems from the article:
    "And I do think this is a time for particularly Europe, as well as here in the United States, for us to take a look and see whether or not there have been some inadvertent or intentional gaps that have been created in the ability of intelligence and security services to protect the people that they are asked to serve."

    while attitudes towards creating government backdoors were "hostile", that atmosphere "could turn in the event of a terrorist attack or criminal event where strong encryption can be shown to have hindered law enforcement". Paris may just be that event.

    Also, some jackwagon New York prosecutor is calling for legislation mandating phone manufactures use weak encryption and provide backdoors for law enforcement:
    A New York prosecutor is calling for federal legislation to weaken smartphone encryption

    It's just ridiculous. Intelligence agencies and police have unprecedented data and location tracking on nearly every person in the world and it's STILL NOT ENOUGH for them. They will never be satisfied, even if every person in the world provided them a 24/7 video feed they would demand constant brainwave scans to "protect our children". It's time to say enough is enough and remove the people in favor of a surveillance state from a position of power, either by voting them out of office or voting the people who appointed them out of office.

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  13. Remember "The Wire"? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the drug dealer started sending MMS images of clocks?

    It seems entirely reasonable that you could plan just about anything with plain text SMS. It wouldn't be hard to talk about whatever it was in plain language substituting normal activities like going shopping or whatever.

    An innocuous code would be impossible to decode if you didn't suspect the people in question. You'd never filter out the 373738483847 other texts that were about mundane activities.

  14. Re: Prison by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    effective alternatives to mass survailence and bulk data collection

    Courage. The outcomes are far superior.

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  15. Re: Damned Lies And Politics by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sadly, Al Jazeera is one of the best sources of international news.

  16. Give me a reason why by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They need to explain why the massive global surveillance failed to stop the attacks and the reasons they came up with is Snowden and encryption. This is despite their own reports that showed their massive surveillance to not be effective against terrorism even before Snowden and widespread encryption. Big-Data is great for statistical analysis, if is not very useful for spear-fishing.

  17. Yes indeed only west coutnry count by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Or are you saying that only first world, western lives count?"
     
    I am sorry, but when determining the territorial security of country (laws, police intervention) only what happen in that country should count. Citing that some terrorist in some country somewhere should make us drop our law , trample our constitution, and roll over the ground wailing, is stupid. Were you there to claim the genocidial Rwanda event should lead to some police change in the US/France/Whichever ? No ? then ISIL is no different.

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