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BBC World Service To Provide Radio For North Korea and Eritrea (bbc.com)

Ewan Palmer writes: The BBC World service has announced it will expand to serve the worst countries for press freedom as part of a plan to reach a global audience of 500 million. The British government announced its "single biggest increase in the World Service budget ever committed" and promised to invest more than $128 million by 2017/18 to the service. Along with improvements in countries such as Thailand, Russia and Somalia, they will launch radio services in North Korea and Eritrea who, according to Reporters Without Borders' 2015 World Press Freedom index, are the two worst performing countries in the world when ranked on a number of criteria including media independence, respect for the safety and freedom of journalists, and infrastructural environment in which the media operate.

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  1. thats great by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    too bad north koreans can not afford a shortwave radio, maybe broadcast on the medium wave band and airdrop a bunch of crystal radio kits

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    1. Re:thats great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      North Koreans typically have radios, they're just hardwired to receive on official party channels only.

    2. Re:thats great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can also easily get into a KZ-like prison camp for listening to foreign radio.

    3. Re:thats great by Rob+Lister · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suspect there are enough resourceful folks in Dark Korea that somebody will be listening. It doesn't take many. And the fact that it is hard to get makes it somehow more attractive and trustworthy. Word of mouth will take it from there. I'm not sure what good it will do though; the strangle hold on the population is pretty complete.

      And of course the government will do everything it can to jam the signal. And of course the jamming will not be 100% effective; Things like frequency hopping and shortwave twilight immunity will ensure that some folks can get it some of the time.

      Interestingly, South Korea jams North Korean propaganda radio pretty efficiently, but of course not effectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I like the idea of dropping thousands of cheap solar powered shortwave receivers over Dark Korea, but perhaps it would be more effective to just drop a million or so coupons for a Free Quarter Pounder Meal at the McD's just across the boarder in Seoul.

    4. Re:thats great by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Hey at least The North Koreans will get to listen to the same politically biased shit that us Brits do though they might find it harder to swallow.

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    5. Re:thats great by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey at least The North Koreans will get to listen to the same politically biased shit that us Brits do though they might find it harder to swallow.

      So are you one of the people who think the BBC is a bastion of out-dated colonial-imperialist racist militarism, or one of the people who think the BBC is a hotbed of sacriligeous left-wing Islamophiles?

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    6. Re:thats great by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No I'm one of the people who thinks having a DG who's also on the board of HSBC (a conservative party donor) is a conflict of interest but hey pick whichever bigoted approach you want.

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    7. Re:thats great by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Trick question! He's both.

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    8. Re:thats great by dave420 · · Score: 1

      So you have no examples, just a hunch based on some perceived conflict of interest. Good jerb!

    9. Re:thats great by GNious · · Score: 1

      So they have computers, DVD players and TVs, but not radios?

  2. Budget by pr0nbot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know what budget funds this, but I'd be pleased if it were foreign aid rather than the BBC licence fee.

    1. Re:Budget by gsslay · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funding was announced by the Government as part of its national Strategic Defence and Security Review. It wasn't announced by the BBC as part of their Christmas schedule along side Celebrity Bake-Off. So I think it safe to assume that this is not being funded out of the BBC's licence money.

    2. Re:Budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know what budget funds this, but I'd be pleased if it were foreign aid rather than the BBC licence fee.

      On the TV news yesterday, they reported that the Government is going to resume funding the World Service that was previously cut. Given the timing, I guess that this announcement of of broadcasting to N Korea et al is connected with that.

    3. Re:Budget by Xest · · Score: 1

      It was the Foreign Office but in 2011 they started shifting it onto the license fee and closed a load of services as a result.

      Now that they're reversing some of those closures I don't know if that means it's being moved back to the Foreign Office budget or not but I can't see how they can foist the expense of this onto the license fee given that they've already moved some welfare for pensioners onto the license fee. Normally you'd hear the BBC vocally complain if they were, but they seem silent on the issue so far, so I think in this case to be fair it's probably coming from central government again like it used to and not the license fee.

    4. Re:Budget by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      We Aussies got rid of those fucking stupid licenses in the 60's. It's 2015 for fuck sake, a telly is no longer a luxury item, it's a cheap appliance. Just fund the BBC from consolidated revenue and save a shitload on paperwork and policing. It would also save the rest of the planet from having to listen to petty complaints from ideologues who don't want one of their license pennies ending up in the foreign service budget.

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    5. Re:Budget by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      You think most of us don't know this? The BBC is the government's mouthpiece, so no matter how much they might feign annoyance at them they never actually scrap the fucking awful licence fee. The government would rather have the BBC as a mouthpiece than not, and it's extremely convenient for them as some people still believe the BBC is unbiased for some reason.

    6. Re:Budget by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The BBC is the government's mouthpiece

      No it is not, and it is precisely for the reason that there is a separate licence fee instead of paying for it out of general taxation. The current Tory government want to get rid of the licence fee purely to diminish the BBC's independence.

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    7. Re:Budget by byornski · · Score: 1

      The world service generally isn't funded out of licence fees. It's expected to pay for itself in selling programmes overseas.

    8. Re:Budget by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Bollocks. The currently government have guaranteed the licence fee for a further 10 years.

    9. Re:Budget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (I think) you're confusing the World Service and BBC Worldwide.

      The latter is expected to pay for itself.

      The former is basically foreign outreach, and has basically always been part of the foreign office budget. It's hugely valuable, too; the World Service is the only reason people hate the UK less than they might.

    10. Re:Budget by byornski · · Score: 1

      I may have been wrong on this. My apologies.

    11. Re:Budget by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      The license fee payers pay for this: ie. everyone who watches broadcast TV in the UK.

      It used to be, rightly, the Foreign Office who paid for it - rightly because its aim is to spread British propaganda throughout the world, but the (Murdoch-loving, privatise everything including your mum) Tories hate the BBC and so forced them to take it under their budget (in between the other hacks and slashes at their budget). So now you have the rather absurd and indefensible position where license fee payers are funding the British government's outreach objectives to North Korea (et al.), instead of having that money being used to provide programming they can enjoy/use/ignore/complain about.

      The reason this happened is largely yet another spineless tit at the head of the BBC. One in a long line, I'm afraid. The last decent one was chucked out (Greg Dyke) for daring to allow a modicum of criticism of Tony's Big Iraqi Adventure. Now the BBC is fast becoming a shadow of its former self and is often considerably editorially compromised by the Conservative party's agenda (as often communicated through the posessed-by-evil pages of the hateful Daily Mail).

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    12. Re:Budget by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      They really should reverse the change in World Service funding. It should absolutely be funded by the FCO. Plenty of places around the world depend on BBC for real coverage when their own local news is just government propaganda. BBC Farsi comes to mind.

      Granted, the Intercept found some disturbing information about the BBC recently in relation to remarks by a Saudi official, but I've found the quality of the reporting to be much better than US news sources. I'm American, been reading BBC for at least 10 years (back then U.S. readers would see the "World Service" branding on bbc.co.uk), and I'd happily pay for it.

      Having the Foreign and Commonwealth Office fund World Service was a stroke of brilliance, what better way to bolster the world's view of Britain than to broadcast "the British Point of View" all over the world? I don't understand why the U.S. doesn't do the same thing. It's good, solid diplomacy.

      Oh, and the North Korean people will find some way to listen/watch. In Iran people get their hands on illegal satellite dishes. Somebody will figure out something.

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    13. Re:Budget by monkeyhybrid · · Score: 1

      (Not from the UK so that's my UK impersonation/translation.)

      Not a bad attempt; 8 out of 10. I would have given you a 9 out of 10 if you'd been going for Australian.

    14. Re:Budget by Xest · · Score: 1

      And yet I can't think of one single notable export of Australian TV other than Neighbours and Home and Away which don't exactly have the largest of viewerships anyway.

      It's not like Australia is a shining symbol of TV export, so fat lot of good losing the license has done you. In fact, Australian news in particular is renowned for it's complete lack of plurality and this is a large reason why. The BBC allows British TV to punch well above it's weight both in terms of geopolitical influence, and in terms of the money subsequent sales of it's content bring in for the production of new high quality content meaning we get more stuff worth watching.

      It also allows the BBC to be a technology driver, being able to develop things like iPlayer meant it led the way in on-demand TV, and nowadays every channel has an on-demand option because of that. The license fee also funds the sustainment of the UK's broadcast network (for radio and TV) and has even been used to help drive broadband rollout.

      Most Brits thing the BBC license is a fee worth paying overall, because it's nets us so much for our money. Complaining of misuse real or perceived of it doesn't mean it makes any sense whatsoever to scrap it altogether though.

      For what it's worth though the UK has 4 key broadcasters - BBC, ITV, Channel 4, and Channel 5. Each is funded in a different manner to ensure the UK has a plurality of funded channels to minimise the chance of conflicts of interest causing problems. The BBC is funded by the license fee, ITV is wholly commercial but an amalgamation of local TV companies designed to provide more locally relevant content, Channel 4 is publicly owned but with no license fee subsidy and is a self-funding non-profit, and Channel 5 is a wholly commercial national station.

      That's why any talk of BBC bias, or BBC is the government mouth piece blah blah is largely entirely meaningless and misses the point. We have 4 key very differently organised broadcast channels precisely to prevent that ever being an issue - the point being if the BBC genuinely was suffering from serious systemic bias then the other channels could expose that. If the corporately owned channels were suffering from bias due to corporate influence then the publicly funded BBC, could expose that, if government bias and corporate influence were the problem then the publicly owned but privately run ITV could highlight that. If local issues are being overlooked by the national stations then ITV can highlight that too with it's local stations.

      You can't eliminate the BBC's public funding model without removing a keystone of the premise that keeps British TV honest - the fact that they all exist under different regimes to police each other. We've seen this come to the fore on a number of occasions - ITV for example was able to expose the BBC over the failure to publish an investigation into Jimmy Savile for example. It works well and it'd be stupid to mess with it unless you have a vested interest in making sure British TV channels could be trivially manipulated (which is a position we see from Sky for which Murdoch is the majority holder - an Australian media mogul nonetheless who has made his entire fortune and empire on biased media) and to that I say no thank you. Our way is about as good as it's ever going to get really and we need to protect that - the extremes of countries with full commercial and full state controlled TV are just nowhere near as desirable - you're either drowning in ads and product placement, or drowning in state propaganda. We thankfully have to suffer neither of those things to any particularly problematic degree.

  3. UK thinking back to past relationships and sites? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Interesting to see the UK interest in Ethiopia and Eritrea again. Time to rebuild old relationships back into African cold war history?
    The "infrastructural environment" was great for the US and UK decades ago.
    Warming up Kagnew again? A site that gave the NSA and GCHQ great coverage of Africa and the Middle East (high-speed Morse 1950's), later submarine communications?
    That site gave great intercept coverage before Diego Garcia was upgraded.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  4. No good deed goes unpunished by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    Of course the disadvantage of the influence of the BBC is that all the refugees want to come here as a result...

    1. Re:No good deed goes unpunished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeh, I have noticed that no other country has any refugees. They bypass everywhere else and swim round to the UK.

      Keep Britain white!

    2. Re:No good deed goes unpunished by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      A chance to hear formal speech, listen to debates, and pick up accents is an invaluable aid to immigration. Potential immigrants do study the language quite hard when they know it will affect their income and chances of immigration.

    3. Re:No good deed goes unpunished by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Wait... They're joking? Heh... I had no idea and sat there baffled for a minute. I couldn't figure out how one would keep Britain white (it hasn't been for a very long time) and figured they were part of the MUDKIP party or whatever those folks are that keep insisting their not racists but want to cut immigration. Err... I don't exactly keep up with UK politics so... I was wondering how they'd been modded up. I honestly did not know that they were joking. Maybe it's my exposure to Slashdot? Either way, it's hard to tell. I'm quite certain that there is a subset of people who believe exactly as they posted. While I don't keep up with the politics, I have been exposed to some articles about some of the people there.

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  5. Don't they have enough propeganda to put up with? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The North Koreans will listen to the BBC and think, "hey, I don't mind a bit of propaganda but this is too much!"

  6. Lamenting the end of the shortwave era by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shortwave listening was a staple of my childhood. In the 70s and early 80s roughly a third all portable radios were shortwave-capable and a great many people listened to programmes from other countries on a regular basis. Of course you were listening to the raw output of world governments, but you knew this and they made no bones about it. Shortwave is expensive and power-intensive, and yet the airwaves were crowded. People were listening. James Careless has also written this informative shortwave lament which gives much needed backstory for the younger generations.

    When I surf US news sources today I can spot the bias from a mile away, and even when they strive for balance of viewpoint the result often comes off clumsily, buried in hedge-words and apologetic disclaimers as if the commentator is, well, feeling a bit insecure. I miss the clarity of sifting world news as portrayed by world governments, assembled and delivered for an English speaking audience in five minutes.

    For example, one of my daily listens was Vladimir Posner on Radio Moscow World Service with his daily talk. At a time when US News networks portrayed Russia as a cold-hearted military threat intent on world conquest and our own President Reagan seemed incapable of anything beyond an infantile level of Cowboys 'n Indians... Posner's commentaries were thoughtful and reflective viewpoints on our cultural differences and similarities. You could even 'read' between the lines and glimpse the areas in which Russian society would later reform.

    I was lucky to grow up in a time of sunspot activity. Then you could bop over to the BBC for world news (they still cover it best) and then tune at random. You'd hear pan pipes, Romanian lover's laments and even classical music --- tortured as it was by AM bandwidth and fade --- had a certain magic to it, especially at 3 O'clock in the morning.

    Tie a long thin wire to a rock and toss the end over a tree or your neighbor's roof, pull it tight and connect it. You're listening to Tokyo, broadcasting from Tokyo. No infrastructure in between except for the ionosphere.

    Of course the Internet --- that incredibly, almost laughably fragile construct that relies on stable grid power between you and your 'station', with its hidden single points of failure like DNS and relies on an awesome amount of cooperation and due diligence of faceless corporations and governments to ensure that every little packet will arrive safely and unfiltered... is better, for everything, right?

    Sure it is. Until the very day and moment it is not better any more.
    Any number of things could happen. It could all be over in minutes.
    It would be wise to acquire at least one good shortwave radio.
    If something goes wrong with the world, you might be the only one who knows what's going on.
    While you're at it, go ahead and toss that rock and give a listen.
    We're past the heyday of shortwave broadcasting but there are still voices out there.

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    1. Re:Lamenting the end of the shortwave era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Heh. I've been in the BBC data center at Oxford Circus, and their "World Services" base in western London. I was very impressed with their physical security and robustness of their systems. Not so impressed with their insistence on server homogeneity, which I tried to discuss with them and got nowhere. There's a savings and ease of management in having very consistent systems, but it does leave you potentially more vulnerable to zero-day exploits and manufacturing flaws such as the old IBM "Deathstar" disk drive failures, or the "capacitor plague" problem for motherboards.

      Their data and listening center outside London was also fascinating. *Wonderful* overnight guest quarters for visiting guests, at 10 punds/night it was the cheapest and nicest place I stayed in London. The level of security and access control was fascinating, as was their equipment. From US experience, it reeked of military funding, and it's an obvious place to gather military intelligence worldwide. I don't begrudge that: it's a good dual use of listening technology. And unlike the NSA listening stations in the USA, the data seems to be shared with civilian news media.

      I spent a long time discussing with them the use of RHN to manage RHEL based systems, and pointed out that an internal yum mirror would solve most of their issues at a fraction of the cost. When you have 100 hosts all doing a nightly yum report, or running that gods-awful "yum-updatesd" or "PackageKit" to keep checking for updates, you did *not* want to be sucking your yum metadata though that skinny, collapsing straw of registered update access called "yum-rhn-plugin" I wonder if they ever used the hooks I gave them to run their own internal mirror?

    2. Re:Lamenting the end of the shortwave era by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      These days if you pick up a strong shortwave signal in the US its either Radio Jesus or a Mexican Border blaster. It's amazing to watch the shortwave spectrum on a $15 SDR dongle (with the $40 upconverter).

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  7. Re:UK thinking back to past relationships and site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Interesting to see the UK interest in Ethiopia and Eritrea again. Time to rebuild old relationships back into African cold war history?

    I doubt it. More likely this is so they can tell the Eritreans not to bother illegally emigrating to the UK. They seem to think it is a mythical land of milk and honey, when really it is just a reasonably dysfunctional western european country with terrible weather.

  8. Re:Poor example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fuck me... it should be!

    Measured from outside the UK, sure, the BBC puts across a very British point of view; how could it not.

    Inside the UK, this is an organisation that is accused of egregious negative bias by all sides: the very definition of a successfully neutral organisation.

  9. No, they won't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > BBC World Service To Provide Radio For North Korea

    No, they won't. They will be emitting, but the DPRK will promptly jam them with a few hundred kilowatts' worth of white noise, made by big, old soviet-made vacuum tube systems. Therefore, no service will be rendered.

    Honestly said, I side with the DPRK here. Experience shows, anybody who makes concessions to the imperialists is promptly killed. Remember how Gaddhafi was ritually sacrificed on live TV just a few years after making peace with the NATO. Remember how Saddam hanged and how his sons were hunted with missiles. Look at how Assad is besieged as a result of the very reforms he had introduced in Syria. DPRK still stands because of their simple nukes + uncompromising stalinism. It is also absurd to expect regime change until US military (and with nukes) is stationed in South Korea. That is also an existential threat to the mainland China.

    Restore Gaddhafi's only surviving son to lead Libya, stop trying to topple Assad and pay reparations to Syria. Restore Saddam's only surviving nephew to lead Iraq, pay reparations for the nation's stolen oil and then there can be talk about DPRK reforming to a degree.

  10. Re:UK thinking back to past relationships and site by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    When you live in Eritrea, "a reasonably dysfunction wester european country" is a land of milk and honey.

  11. Re:Don't they have enough propeganda to put up wit by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    The North Koreans will listen to the BBC and think, "hey, I don't mind a bit of propaganda but this is too much!"

    I'd be interested to hear your idea of a more balanced and neutral service than the BBC.

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  12. Re:UK thinking back to past relationships and site by byornski · · Score: 1

    Ah yes. Just like providing aid to India in the hope that it just goes all Raj

  13. Re:Poor example by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    the two worst performing countries in the world when ranked on a number of criteria including media independence

    The BBC would not be at the top of my list of examples of "media independence".

    The BBC isn't perfect but it's less imperfect than almost anything else of its size.

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  14. Re:Don't they have enough propeganda to put up wit by rapiddescent · · Score: 1

    yeah - here in Scotland it is all kicking off about the BBC - but you would never know that because it is not reported... on the BBC ... !! Scotland has had a strange move towards online away from BBC and newspaper media.

    I do agree with what Anon says below about most things. Not so sure about the oil price because it was never part of the annual spend calculations for an independent Scotland. They were going to create an oil wealth fund with any revenue so the effects would not have been seen for a decade or more (ref: Scotlands Future). Scotland's GDP per capita is higher than anywhere in the UK & NI except London - but the overall wealth figures are lower largely due to Scotland subsidising other parts of the UK (which is OK by the way).

  15. Tunisia, Libya, Egypt....Eritrea by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Good idea, BBC. Let's topple whatever dictatorship currently running Eritrea so that it becomes an extension of Somalia. After all, one of the factors in Eritrea's secession from Ethiopia was that while inland Ethiopia is largely Eastern Orthodox Christian, Eritrea is majority Muslim. And now, w/ democracy being encouraged, it's not long before they go the way of Libya or Tunisia

  16. Re:Poor example by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    The BBC isn't perfect but it's less imperfect than almost anything else of its size.

    The BBC is an instrument of the confluence between government and corporations. It's mission is to maintain the status quo. The run-up to the Iraq War and fallout from the 2008 financial crisis are two recent examples of their inability to be "independent". They are a tool of control. And North Koreans don't need more control. They already have plenty.

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