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One Family Suffering Through Years-Long Trolling Campaign (dailydot.com)

blottsie writes: Since 2010, the Straters have been under assault from an online campaign of ever-increasing harassment — prank deliveries, smear attacks, high-profile hacks, and threats of violence against schools and law enforcement officials in their name — and it's slowly torn them apart. Masterminding it all is a teenage Lizard Squad hacker from Finland, at war with their son, Blair, over a seemingly minor dispute. "When the family started getting notices about their utilities being disconnected, they realized things were escalating out of control. Utility provider Commonwealth Edison once called the house to iron out the details about a request to have the power turned off after a supposed move. Something similar happened with their trash service. On Halloween 2013, Comcast shut off their cable and Internet service."

256 comments

  1. Some people think they can out troll me. by slashdice · · Score: 1

    Maybe. Maybe.

    I have yet to meet one who can out troll bullet!

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    1. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Archimedes! No! It's filthy in there! Eugh.

    2. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      we need a dispenser right here!

    3. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I just used my mod point this morning, or I'd have given you one for the reference.

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    4. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelled boolet, you uncultured Philistine!

    5. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem

      Mentlegen...

    6. Re:Some people think they can out troll me. by darniil · · Score: 1

      You forgot the sniff. :(

  2. Can I hire these trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    to cancel my Comcast subscription?

    1. Re:Can I hire these trolls by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You got modded funny but they could probably offer this as a service. In fact, I may open a business doing just that!

    2. Re:Can I hire these trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a troll. It's a wizard!

  3. If anything can help by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Well if anything can help, it's putting their name all over the interwebs.

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    1. Re:If anything can help by bughunter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, it might. It will attract attention from sympathetic people and companies. And if it goes viral, it may even affect public policy. And it might even inspire white hat hackers who don't like Trolls to help identify the culprits. It sure sounds like the work of more than one.

      Anyway, it sure sounds like it can't get much worse.

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  4. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I was thinking. Trolls can ruin your life, be careful who you piss off.

  5. Camo Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much a camo dude ( hired gun ) would charge for a one week vacation to Finland

    1. Re: Camo Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A normal domestic cleaner usually goes for around 40-50BTC. For a foreign job I'd ballpark 150-200 for the extra effort, travel, and expenses.

    2. Re: Camo Dude by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Dude. Finland. Russia is literally right across the border.

      That should be doable for far less than 150k.

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    3. Re: Camo Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTC, not kilobux.

    4. Re: Camo Dude by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Given the historic tensions between Russia and Finland, you could probably find someone to do it for 5k or so, if you shopped around.

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    5. Re: Camo Dude by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am, by no means, an expert on this subject but is this an area where you really want to hunt for bargains? I think one would want to pay top dollar for this sort of service. I'd want someone who is skilled enough to demand a high rate and someone who's willing to stay silent after the fact because they've been well paid.

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    6. Re: Camo Dude by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I am, by no means, an expert on this subject but is this an area where you really want to hunt for bargains? I think one would want to pay top dollar for this sort of service. I'd want someone who is skilled enough to demand a high rate and someone who's willing to stay silent after the fact because they've been well paid.

      Anyone who's wuss enough to pay for a hired killer rather than do it themselves deserves to be shot. By a hired killer.

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    7. Re: Camo Dude by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's a matter of logic for me. I can't see why adding a step and the increased complexity is a rational step to make. If I were to pay someone to do so, I'd want them to be the best in the business. I'm not sure how they can be trusted, except by game theory, and I can only see trusting them so far. I think, if I were to desire to kill someone, I'd probably want to do it myself. Where's the satisfaction in paying someone else to do it? Why add the complexity and risks of including a second person? No, I'd keep it t myself and do it quietly without getting aid from anyone else. More accurately, I'd not kill anyone in an unlawful manner.

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    8. Re: Camo Dude by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      More accurately, I'd not kill anyone in an unlawful manner.

      Or would you? ;)

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    9. Re: Camo Dude by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      With this guys luck (Blair) he'd probably send his money to some guy who worked the hackers and then have them not only keep his money but turn around and turn him into the authorities in the US. They might be incapable of helping him with his families online based troubles but they'll know exactly what to do with an international murder-for-hire. This is name change/go offline for a decade time not make things worse by trying something stupid time.

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    10. Re: Camo Dude by KGIII · · Score: 1

      If I would, I'd sure as hell deny it vehemently in the internet at large! In fact, I'd make such protestations as I'd already made!

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    11. Re: Camo Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's job creation.

  6. Hire a lawyer by selectspec · · Score: 1

    Time to hire a lawyer, one in the US and one in Finland. A Finnish lawyer is going to be able to mobilize the local authorities, and better sue the guy in Finnish civil courts.

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    1. Re:Hire a lawyer by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      Why civil courts? What he's doing is a criminal offense.

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    2. Re:Hire a lawyer by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a huge investigation on the guy by the Finnish police (according to the article). He's already been in jail once. The problem is, he hasn't done anything (as far as anyone can tell). He complained on a forum, and other people have been doing the harassing.

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    3. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instigating a violent mob and coordinating criminal actions are both criminal actions by themselves. At least in civilized countries.

      While I'm sure Kivimaki has already cleaned all his email folders in preparation of an impending warrant, there are almost certainly some lingering copies of his communications that can be used to prosecute him once they are found.

    4. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not both. It is time to lawyer up. The lawyer can help coordinate the police and another lawyer in Finland on retainer.

      Then once he is arrested you can then take him to civil court and get any sort of compensation needed (if needed).

      Be very clear with the lawyer here 'I want to make it so he stops and it is an international thing'.

      Or if you want to be vindictive. Private detective find out who the kid is and where he lives. At this point posting his details online and the problem will backflash on him.

    5. Re:Hire a lawyer by selectspec · · Score: 1

      As the article stated, the police, FBI, and other authorities have thus far done nothing. Sue his ass in court. Criminal court is not the only avenue to pursue justice.

      I am not an expert on Finnish law, but in the US, the civil courts have a much lower threshold of proof. Even without any proof, being sued by someone is a huge inconvenience.

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    6. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Time to go to Finland and beat the crap out of him.

    7. Re:Hire a lawyer by selectspec · · Score: 1

      I'd still hire a lawyer and at least get some advice. I don't profess to have knowledge of Finnish law, but if this were entirely in the domain of the US - it doesn't matter that other people are doing the harassment. The civil courts do not work like a CSI TV episode. You do not need empirical proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a civil case. A good lawyer could make that guy's life miserable.

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    8. Re:Hire a lawyer by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Ah, but has the guy committed any crime in Finland to give their courts jurisdiction?

      More likely you'd have to get the kid extradited to sue him in US courts. Of course good luck with that, we haven't even figured out a solution to completely homegrown trolling/doxxing/etc.

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    9. Re:Hire a lawyer by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You do not need empirical proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a civil case. A good lawyer could make that guy's life miserable.

      That's a good point.
      According to the article, the Finnish police have several investigations ongoing, and plan on turning them over to a prosecutor soon.

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    10. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Things people always seem to forget they can do. If you have credible evidence against an individual committing a crime, you provide it to law enforcement and they refuse to act, you sue the law enforcement agency. Remember, in the US, the requirement to make a lawsuit valid is you need to be able to prove the defendant has caused you damages. Though not required, most states will allow a jury trial of up to 6 jurors for a civil matter if requested. For federal issues, a civil case amounting of more than $20 is constitutionally required to be given a 6 person jury. And a law enforcement agency not acting on a criminal offense when provided credible evidence is pretty well a slam dunk in front of a 6 person jury for damages caused. And if it's the FBI refusing to act, congrats, the constitution guarantees you that jury trial.

    11. Re:Hire a lawyer by PRMan · · Score: 2

      That's why both the e-mails of the services attacking him have his name in them? Please.

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    12. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the Finnish police have several investigations ongoing,

      BS. If the investigation is ongoing, the police aren't finished.

    13. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sometimes violence is the answer and this sure sounds like one of those times.

    14. Re:Hire a lawyer by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Why civil courts? What he's doing is a criminal offense.

      Since the Finnish kid was a minor at the time, it seems the criminal system used kid gloves against him (even when it was able to convict him of a crime). That's probably why civil court was suggested as a better option. That, and civil court has a lower standard of proof.

      That being said, the problem seems to be much bigger than one Finnish guy. He may have incited others to hate his target, but it would seem he's not the one committing the bulk of the crimes. And that's really the main problem here that gets glossed over by the article. If the hacker friends of the Finnish guy don't reside in Finland, then it means you have to track them down and convince an entirely new set of law enforcement officials from another country to take these SWATTING incidents seriously and invest enough resources to investigate the case, to in turn SWAT the hackers themselves, confiscate their computers, and do the necessary forensic analysis work on what they find.

      And this kind of work is not cheap. In this case, the kid was investigated most probably because he attacked Sony and Microsoft as well, but if he had not gone after such high profile targets, he probably would never have been prosecuted in the first place. After all, who's got time to listen to the complaints of an ordinary family halfway across the world (with a not-so-innocent hacker kid of their own)?

    15. Re:Hire a lawyer by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Funny

      But they are Finnish and I'm sure they'll finish eventually.

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    16. Re:Hire a lawyer by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      the Finnish police have several investigations ongoing,

      BS. If the investigation is ongoing, the police aren't finished.

      +1 facepalm

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    17. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier to kidnap him and put on guantanamo bay for life

    18. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, I know a few guys who used to do extraordinary renditions a while back and they're bored. They'd probably do it just for the practice.

    19. Re:Hire a lawyer by hey! · · Score: 1

      Assuming that there isn't someone else behind the attacks who is covering their tracks by framing this guy.

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    20. Re:Hire a lawyer by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where you got "violent mob" from

    21. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And a law enforcement agency not acting on a criminal offense when provided credible evidence is pretty well a slam dunk in front of a 6 person jury for damages caused.

      That's special that you think that. Warren v. D.C., DeShaney v. Winnebago County, and a slew of other court rulings argue otherwise.

    22. Re:Hire a lawyer by Fencepost · · Score: 1

      It's not that he hasn't done anything, it's that when he was convicted he was a minor which meant he got probation.

      Assuming that the Finnish age of majority is 18, he'll be charged and prosecuted as an adult for any crimes he's engaged in at this point. That may make a difference or may not.

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    23. Re:Hire a lawyer by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Basically you hire a lawyer to sue the crap out of the idiots who fell for those pranks causing you to suffer. So sue comcast for falsely claiming you disconnected, sue the power company if they cut you off, sue every one who falsely messed with you. The reality is, it is their failure and when you sue them, their lawyers will undoubtedly find the perpetrator and make them pay. It is their fault for failed security proceedings. As for those threats, threats under some ones else's name is still a threat and prosecutable, not the falsely named person of course but the person who made the threat. So sue law enforcement for failing to follow up and prosecute the person who actually made those threats.

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    24. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >other people have been doing the harassing.

    25. Re:Hire a lawyer by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Instigating isn't a crime. Inciting is. Inciting has a legal burden of proof. This almost certainly doesn't meet that burden. They could, on the other hand, be considered a co-defendant in some cases if they knowingly gave aid to those who committed the criminal offenses.

      I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. In fact, I should be sleeping. If you plan on committing criminal acts, consult an attorney before doing so. (You may want to have a second lawyer on retainer.)

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    26. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's your 'woosh' sign

    27. Re:Hire a lawyer by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Time to go to Finland and beat the crap out of him.

      Internet Tough guy has spoken. So mote it be.

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    28. Re:Hire a lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, standard SJW tactic

  7. Rich parents, no consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/07/lizard-squad-member-gets-light-penalty/

  8. Really hard to stop by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But not that hard to sue/demand compensation from idiots tricked into harming them.

    Cut off my cable because some stranger told you to do so? Better give me a free month or be sued for breach of contract.

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    1. Re:Really hard to stop by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      What do you do when you get three tons of gravel dumped on your driveway?

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    2. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you read the part of the contract that says they can terminate service at any time for any reason (or change your terms, rates, etc, at their discretion)

    3. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll be jail time - they are impersonating another, it's called identity theft. The best medicine would be to reverse the process after a dox and let the world think they had suspect images / videos on their computers.

    4. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not a real contract if both parties can't negotiate things in and out of the contract.

    5. Re:Really hard to stop by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Woohoo! Free gravel!

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    6. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sue for / press law enforcement to charge for vandalism, littering, property damage, etc.

    7. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The damage isn't what you get, it's what you don't get anymore. Once businesses in your area are alerted that orders from your address are most likely fake, you can no longer order anything (or only in person, and not on credit).

    8. Re:Really hard to stop by selectspec · · Score: 1

      I could not agree more. Sue the phone companies, sue the deaf messaging service, sue Linked In, sue Facebook, etc. This is a lawyers field day. I can't believe people aren't lining up at the trough for this one.

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    9. Re:Really hard to stop by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      You don't want the damn gravel! What are you supposed to do with it?

      Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give squiggleslash gravel! Do they know who you are? You're the man whose gonna burn their houses down - with the gravel!

    10. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You barbarians! I'll sue the council for all it's got! I'll have you hung, drawn and quartered! And whipped! And boiled... until... until... until you've had enough!
      And then I will do it again! And when I've finished I will take the little bits and I will jump on them!
      And I will carry on jumping on them until I get blisters or I can think of something even more unpleasant to do!"

      http://hitchhikersguidequotes....

    11. Re:Really hard to stop by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Which the cable company would *love*. Then they can make it even harder to cancel and all subscriptions become essentially lifetime. Sorry the DNA sample you submitted with your cancellation request seems to be contaminated. You'll have to submit another and allow six to eight weeks for processing before we can cancel your service.

    12. Re:Really hard to stop by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sell it.

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    13. Re:Really hard to stop by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You don't want the damn gravel! What are you supposed to do with it?

      Evidence for a fraud case? I'm pretty sure neither the gravel nor the delivery were free.

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    14. Re:Really hard to stop by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      It'll be jail time - they are impersonating another, it's called identity theft.

      Yes, it is. And you won't get jail time until a) you can prove who it is and b) you can make the appropriate authorities care. Neither is simple. If the perpetrator is in another country (as is the case here) it becomes effectively impossible.

    15. Re:Really hard to stop by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Might even be high enough value to qualify as a felony which makes tradition easier / possible.

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    16. Re:Really hard to stop by bughunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, well the Supreme Court doesn't seem to agree, and now you've probably also contractually agreed to resolve any disputes in Arbitration, with an arbitrator chosen by the corporation.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11...

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    17. Re:Really hard to stop by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It's a contract of adhesion, and those are limited in what they can require. As to what the limits are, I don't know, and it would probably depend on your jurisdiction anyway.

      FWIW, even standard contracts are limited in what the state is allowed to enforce.... but as far as I know, each contract requires a separate lawsuit. And the first item of business would probably be as to whether they can force you to use arbitration with their selected arbitrator.

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    18. Re:Really hard to stop by hey! · · Score: 1

      You don't want the damn gravel! What are you supposed to do with it?

      What is wrong with you? It's free gravel.

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    19. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turns out that moon gravel is pure poison. *cough*

    20. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel sorry for these people but would also want to know the other side of the story because it's hard to believe that the Finnish guy chose his target at random.

      Because I live in Finland, I know very well that Finns can easily start hurting each other over something trivial and continue until they get a pyrrhic victory. However, I cannot help smiling a little since what you said reminds me of what kids in a friend's class did to an impopular teacher in the pre-Internet age. Not only did they get a truckload of gravel dumped in his yard by fooling the driver but among other things they dropped Playgirl Magazine in the teacher's neighbour's mailbox with the teachers name and address on it to make it seem like the mailman had put it in the wrong box by mistake...

      That said, I also know of similar trends in other countries. Some Hungarian friends told me that there it's the norm to name your wifi something like "(insert your least favourite neighbour's name) is a fat ass and sucks cock" or such...

    21. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have purchased gravel. I have purchased an huge amount of gravel. That's stuff's kind of expensive!

    22. Re:Really hard to stop by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      Seriously? This actually happened to me. I came home from vacation, and there was a pile of gravel on my driveway, and a bill stuck in the door.

      I called the company, told them they'd delivered to the wrong address (right street, wrong town) and it was gone the next day.

    23. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty gravel or fill gravel?

    24. Re: Really hard to stop by flickwipe · · Score: 1

      dig a hole and bury it

    25. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally someone who gets the reference.

    26. Re:Really hard to stop by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Probably not; it was probably pay on delivery.

    27. Re:Really hard to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      charge the people who dumped it storage fees as long as it's there.

  9. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And dont interact with anyone, because you never know whats going to piss someone off. Much less if the person is insecure enough to turn it into a years long grudge.

  10. Good or Evil? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Funny

    This article tries to make the troll sound evil, but he did get them disconnected from Comcast

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    1. Re:Good or Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disconnecting myself from Comcast 10 years ago was the best thing I have done.

      With Hulu and Netflix I have never missed anything I didn't want to miss.

    2. Re:Good or Evil? by Xenx · · Score: 1

      It's different when you have to rely on Comcast for decent internet. My choice is 6mbps or Comcast.

    3. Re:Good or Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. When your other "choice" is CenturyLink and you can't become Amish, you swallow your pride and cope.

    4. Re:Good or Evil? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Come on now, we can all be living in an Amish Paradise if we wanna.

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  11. Re:Trolling is for cows. by originalGMC · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is my official request for a moo blocker chrome extension.

  12. You know what's really subhuman? by wkwilley2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just finished reading this article all the way through, it's fucking disgusting.

    And yet, I can see how easy it would be for this to happen in the first place.

    He's basically a 21st century Charles Manson, I'll bark if you bite.

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    1. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the Daily Dot. I'd take anything they write with a mountain-sized grain of salt.

      Knowing Lizard Squad, the kid almost certainly did something to earn their attention, which the article fails to mention.

    2. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the article mentions several things that may have been the trigger for him getting their attention

    3. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Wait until? They already do!

      SJWs already have websites devoted to trolling social media sites, looking for people posting things that aren't PC. They then dox them and try to get them fired.

      No, really. This is a thing SJWs do in the name of "social justice."

    4. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I understand the he is in another country but at some point they know who it is and where to find them in the US at least computer hacking is a felony but battery is only a misdemeanor.

    5. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now the trend of "hey, let's talk alone over here" then falsely accuse assault.

    6. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manuel Noriega was the HMFIC of Panama and spend 17 years in prison in Florida for drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering. He was then extradited to France.

    7. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely why I avoid social media sites. Live by the social media sword, die by the social media sword.
      There's beauty in anonymity these days!

    8. Re:You know what's really subhuman? by dave420 · · Score: 0

      You can't lump all people who dislike racism/homophobia/sexism/etc. together. Clearly that's nonsense - people are different, and there is no single "SJW Inc." which dictates their actions.

  13. Call out to Anonymous by Lucas123 · · Score: 0

    It would be nice if they could go after the scum that has persecuted this family.

    1. Re:Call out to Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not your personal army", etc. etc.

      What passes for "Anonymous" these days is too busy playing kiddie games with SJWs and turrurrists anyhow.

    2. Re:Call out to Anonymous by Holi · · Score: 1

      Anonymous has always been a joke.

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    3. Re:Call out to Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In reply to the sig, AC because it's not furthering the discussion.

      I suspect most scientists would trade a soul (possibly tarnished, possibly belonging to someone else) for a reasonable chance at building a teleporter. Most people would try it and determine they didn't notice anything different about it.

      Jazz musicians would probably become more sought after though, and that might be a good thing.

  14. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah yes, victim blaming.

  15. The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real point we should all take away is how insecure these utility companies really are. You would think any competent business would not be fooled more than once on the same address. How hard is it to put a note there this address is prone to phishing attacks, don't process request without fully verifying with owner. Lock account without direct content to owner. There are so many easy ways around these common exploits, but the management of these companies is so behind the times it's ridiculous.

    It wouldn't be hard to do something like 2 factor authentication right over the phone either and that could be turned on for high risk targets like this. Basically utility companies are not taking their customers security seriously.

    1. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other bigger issue is - how did they find out who the utility companies were in the first place, surely they also require an account number before even picking up the phone, every time I have rung the power company before you talk to someone you have to provide your acct number.

    2. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My experience working at a utility is that they don't really give a shit about anything other than adding capital investments to the rate base (on which they earn a guaranteed return on investment percentage of course).

    3. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other bigger issue is - how did they find out who the utility companies were in the first place, surely they also require an account number before even picking up the phone, every time I have rung the power company before you talk to someone you have to provide your acct number.

      That's simple. Most places only have 1 possible company for electic, gas, and water service. You can often make choices as to who the supplier is, but the actually delivery is always that same company, and that company is usually your primary account interface (in my experience, the supply company get paid via the delivery company's billing . As for cable, many places only have 1 option too, but even in best case scenario, it very rare that someone has more than 3 cable providers to choose from.

      Account numbers usually aren't needed (the troll likely already has address and SSN) but even if so, many people sign up for ebilling and get bills sent to their email account.

    4. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Basically utility companies are not taking their customers security seriously."
      Why would they? What are you going to do, switch utility companies?!?

    5. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real point we should all take away is how insecure these utility companies really are. You would think any competent business would not be fooled more than once on the same address. How hard is it to put a note there this address is prone to phishing attacks, don't process request without fully verifying with owner. Lock account without direct content to owner. There are so many easy ways around these common exploits, but the management of these companies is so behind the times it's ridiculous.

      It wouldn't be hard to do something like 2 factor authentication right over the phone either and that could be turned on for high risk targets like this. Basically utility companies are not taking their customers security seriously.

      Wouldn't this all be avoided by NEVER using ANY real info online anywhere EVER? I've been doing it since March of 2000. A true alternate identity that makes superheroes envious. FAKE FAKE FAKE!!! Comeon people.

  16. Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    But the article indicates the kid being targeted by this campaign is no saint himself, both in his interactions online plus his arrest for hacking his own high school's website.

    1. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by barlevg · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but what's the rest of his family guilty of?

    2. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but what were the students visiting his hacked high school's website guilty of?

    3. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Providing food, housing, and internet for a person who threatens hackers and tries to blackmail hackers. I'm not saying they deserve it, but its not like they were randomly targeted.

    4. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasting their time

    5. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Again, how's this his familys fault?

    6. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because online interaction is definitely worth potentially getting shot to death in a police raid resulting from a hoax. Having a miscarriage is worth definitely a suitable punishment because some pimply faced loser has a bug up his ass. If this was my family, I would take the law into my own hands when the first police visit occurred.

    7. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      You're comparing "adding a video of Rick Astley’s “Never Gonna Give You Up” to the school’s website"

      with:

      endangering a family's lives by repeatedly SWATting them;
      turning off their electricity, internet, and other utilities;
      repeatedly delivering food, flowers, gravel, etc;
      harrassing with telephone calls;
      over a period of years?

    8. Re:Not to make excuses for the guy attacking them by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming you typed poorly because that would not be a very wise time to take the law into your hands. I'm hoping that, for your family's sake, you mean "after the first police visit." 'Cause, unless you're a real badass, doing it *when* they first visit is going to go poorly for you. Hell, it's going to go poorly for you even if you're a badass.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  17. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by malditaenvidia · · Score: 2

    In a series of interviews with the Daily Dot, Kivimaki wasn’t particularly forthcoming with personal details. He’s currently 18 years old and has been a computer hacker for nearly half his life. His lengthy 2013 indictment serves as an incomplete guide to some of the alleged exploits of his previous hacking group, Hack the Planet.

    Mess with the best, die like the rest.

  18. Several issues by gurps_npc · · Score: 2
    1) The internet is a global phenomena and needs some kind of global policing to stop this. They don't need huge powers - merely being able to cut off internet service and accounts

    2) Some of it comes from companies acting really stupidly. The cable, power, Twitter etc. really did a BAD job handling the attacks and should have done a lot more to fix the situation. In particular, the 'services for the deaf' loopholes need to be fixedas this is a common abuse.

    3)We need to admit that recently, there are a multitude of ways to steal/borrow people's Identity and we change government laws to account for this. Offer name/ID change services from the government, that require the participants to give DNA, fingerprint, photo, and signature (to avoid criminals abusing it), then issue new names and ID numbers linked to duplicates of the real data with certain key facts removed so it can't be back traced. You lose your old fair-weather friends, but can give you real family/best friends the new bio data, on the condition they give it out to nobody.

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    1. Re:Several issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, the solution is not to change the victim's identity, or create some 3-letter agency to have uber internet powers. The solution is for the family to spend a little money, hire a PI, find this guy, and the formally charge him with whatever crimes he's done to put him in Jail and then once released, ban him from the internet for life.

    2. Re:Several issues by Whatsisname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So once again, justice should only be reserved for those with thousands in extra cash laying around.

    3. Re:Several issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such as it has ever been...

  19. those Finns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Haakaa Paalle!" ("Hack them down!")
    -- war cry of Finnish mercenaries for (Swedish) King Gustav

    “A horribile Haccapaelitorum agmine libera nos, Domine.” ("God deliver us from the horrible army of "haakaa paall-ers")
    --prayer of Catholic Danes

    1. Re:those Finns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakkapeliitta

  20. I get continually trolled by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Just got an email notice that someone signed up for a credit card in my name and with my email address. Presumably they're trying to get a copy of my credit report?

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    1. Re: I get continually trolled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just the guy who's trying to drink your poo. Try being nicer, and share your poo.

    2. Re: I get continually trolled by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That's just the guy who's trying to drink your poo. Try being nicer, and share your poo.

      I share my poo readily, as any slashdotter knows. That's the name of the game, innit?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re: I get continually trolled by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Init is being depreciated. We all use systemd now.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  21. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's more like don't start or escalate arguments with strangers and try to be as nice as possible. You never know who's a sociopath and our society makes this type of trolling incredibly easy.

  22. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So we should be all nice and fuzzy with a group intent of harassing people. Oh they are making peoples lives miserable, but let them just go on their marry way, because if we mess with them they will mess with us too.

    Yea it is OK the Nazi were capturing Jews, because we weren't Jews, if we did try to stop them, then they would just go after us.
    Yep that mentality is looked soooo fondly in the view of history.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  23. Juilius Kivimaki again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised nobody has beaten this little shit into a coma yet, I'd do it if someone wanted to bankroll it.

    He's 18 now, if the state won't sanction him, the community will (eventually). Motherfucker thinks he's so clever, but he's just putting a target on his own back.

    1. Re:Juilius Kivimaki again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprised nobody has beaten this little shit into a coma yet, I'd do it if someone wanted to bankroll it.

      How much?

    2. Re:Juilius Kivimaki again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprised nobody has beaten this little shit into a coma yet, I'd do it if someone wanted to bankroll it.

      How much?

      Do I smell a kickstarter opportunity here??

    3. Re:Juilius Kivimaki again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enough to permanently relocate to somewhere without extradition and live comfortably in the knowledge that they'd benefited society.

      Edit: Captcha == vicious

  24. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh look, someone broke into your house, and stole all your valuables and personal belongings. Well you were stupid enough not to use bank vault doors, and you gave the spare key to a close friend who didn't lock his door that day.

    The problem with Information security is that to be safe you need professional level of security on your consumer devices, and constant vigilance to keep it up. This is a lot of work for a person, especially if they don't find security patches fun, or barely get by using the internet.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  25. Perhaps utilities should have better security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like when my housemate moved out, and I called the phone company to have the phone put in my name. They told me, "The original owner of the account must authorize the change." He wasn't available and I had already told them who I was, so I said, "You mean you can't put it in my name, but if I hang up and call you back saying I'm him, you'll put it my name?" "Yep" was basically their answer... so I did exactly that!

    1. Re:Perhaps utilities should have better security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the most powerful tool in the hacker's arsenal is and has always been lying.

    2. Re:Perhaps utilities should have better security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took over paying the phone bill for my grandmother when my grandfather died. I lived there, and had DSL service that she wouldn't have ever used, so I paid the bill. I never changed the billing name.

      Fast forward 16 years. My grandfather had been dead for 15 years. My grandmother had been moved into a nursing home 10 years back, and I bought the house from her. And she died 2 years before this. And now I've sold the house and I'm trying to move the utilities to my new address...

      The phone company (AT&T, well versed in the bureaucratic ways) representative took me fully, completely, absolutely, 100% at my word when I told them that the name on the bill was my grandfather, that he died 15 years prior, and that I'd been paying the bill all of that time. I asked them to move service to my new address, but Uverse wasn't available. So I asked them to simply cancel service. No problem.

      Now, everything I told them was actually true, and in fact, my middle name is my grandfather's last name, so there's a bit of an obvious link even to the CSR I spoke with. But still, it went surprisingly easy. Back when they were still SBC Corporation, I tried to have the bill moved to my name and they demanded to speak with my dead grandfather. Not even a death certificate was enough proof. And back when AT&T was still really AT&T (and not just a shitty BellSouth+SBC frankentelco), they would only accept a death certificate to cancel a WATS line for my grandfather's business, so it wasn't just the local or long-distance carrier that had trust issues. They all had much higher standards of proof back in the early 2000's compared to the mid-2010's.

    3. Re:Perhaps utilities should have better security? by John.Banister · · Score: 1
      There's another possibility, but I doubt it.

      Sam Lowry: My name's Lowry. Sam Lowry. I've been told to report to Mr. Warrenn.
      Porter - Information Retrieval: Thirtieth floor, sir. You're expected.
      Sam Lowry: Um... don't you want to search me?
      Porter - Information Retrieval: No sir.
      Sam Lowry: Do you want to see my ID?
      Porter - Information Retrieval: No need, sir.
      Sam Lowry: But I could be anybody.
      Porter - Information Retrieval: No you couldn't sir. This is Information Retrieval.

  26. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, don't get into an online pissing contest with anyone, because THERE ARE NO WINNERS!

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  27. Re:I find swatting by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    How would you solve that flaw?

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  28. Why are they on Social Media??? by bigdady92 · · Score: 0

    Serious question here: Why in the hell would they (The parents) have anything pertinent to their lives be on a social media site where these guys live and prey upon. Take it down, bury it a mile under that FREE GRAVEL, and don't use it again.

    Yes I'm sure people will say "OH YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO HIDE!" and for that I say to hell with that thought when it comes to my livelihood. Whatever I have to do to keep the lights on for myself and my family and if that means I don't have a Facebooks, Twitterz, or InstaGrams account so be it.

      Let the kids be the outlet for family photos or better yet use email/SMS/MMS for the handful of people that they communicate with. Go Dark and Get off the Net. If they hack your work email well that's more fuel for the Lawyers from a MAJOR F@@KIN COMPANY to go after and bury these twatmonkies.

    --
    Wheel of Time: Book by Book and Sumview (summary review) Bigdady92 style: http://bigdady92.blogspot.com/
    1. Re:Why are they on Social Media??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree about social media, but to your last comment:

      Yes, a MAJOR F@@KIN COMPANY like...say....Sony or Microsoft? Oh wait, he already cost them $40,000/hr on Christmas and a black eye.

      You get that he is still harrassing the former CEO, calling in bomb threats to airports and diverting planes.

      He should be careful when traveling imho. He clearly fits the definition of terrorist (plane bomb scare), and the US could easily put him up in a nice carribean hotel with no internet access (or freedom) for the rest of his life.

      Just a thought

    2. Re:Why are they on Social Media??? by GiganticLyingMouth · · Score: 2

      If someone else sets up a fake account in your name, it still shows up when your name is searched. You can disavow it all you want, but it's still going to put off potential employers. If you have a generic name then it might not matter, but if your name is unique, you will have a much more difficult time.

    3. Re:Why are they on Social Media??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. Parasites, trust, societal immune systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's very bad for them, and I sympathize.

    For society as a whole there's perhaps a valuable lesson to be learned here, about trust, e.g. trust that those who call to cancel utilities etc. are who they claim to be.

    I don't have sympathy for parasites, but sometimes they can make the body's immune system stronger. That's also true on a societal level, and I hope it's going to happen here.

  30. Can identity protection services help with this? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    Could Lifelock or perhaps a more active defense service (do these exist?) help with this? I know home/auto/life insurance companies offer identity protection and/or recovery; do any of them offer protection/defense services against this kind of [sic] siege?

  31. Re:I find swatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I find throwing stones at windows endlessly amusing. I find it amusing because it exposes a fundamental flaw in physics.

    And because I'm a fucktard.

  32. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't use Nazis to make your argument.

    Do you know who used Nazis to make his argument? HITLER!

  33. Witness protection? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    At some point you have to think they could get in touch with the Feds and ask to be put through the witness protection system. Come out the other side with scrubbed identities, etc.

    Even better, keep the old identities alive and use them as bait to draw these people out.

    --
    Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
    1. Re:Witness protection? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there is no proof of "crime" so the (incompetent) feds won't do anything. :-(

      I can't imagine what kind of karma this little shit is creating for himself.

    2. Re:Witness protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bummer, because the article paints lizard squad like a terrorist group and you'd think the Feds would jump all over that.

    3. Re:Witness protection? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Ya, you would think so, but since it is only 1 person, and they haven't been hit where it hurts -- in the money belt -- there is little incentive to make an example out of him.

    4. Re:Witness protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A new identity really only works if you can isolate yourself from your old identity. Considering their teenage son got them into this mess, I wouldn't count on him being able to keep their new identity a secret.

  34. Re:I find swatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    god,

    people on death-row, i bear no hatred for, but some of these dicks these days. this asshole that does it for the "lulz"... i want to see him burn

    what does that say about me? what does that say about him? god.

    execute serial killers... but i wouldn't piss on this dude if he were on fire.

  35. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Are you unaware that the Koch brothers finance a lot of right-wing extremists? There's nothing "unhinged" about opposing people who undermine our political process by helping RWNJs get elected via their disproportionate influence. Money should not equal political power in a democracy.

  36. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't rational people be examining each argument based on its own merit rather than grouping an argument with others that it may not correspond to simply because someone chose to use a particular analogy which is perceived as overused or often inappropriately used?

    A rational person should be more aware and mindful of their own cognitive biases more than another person's. The biblical quote about failing to notice the log in our own eye as we rush to point out the splinter in another's comes to mind.

    On a side note, when did ACs get mod points?

  37. Magazine subscriptions by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    When I was in HS, kids would sign their friends up for hundreds of magazine subscriptions at a time and thought it was funny. I think you can still fill out those cards and prank your friends, although I've never tried. I understand the challenge with cancelled service, but how are they getting things like gravel delivered without a deposit of some sort. Heck if I were the gravel company, I'd be happy to take a deposit, call the victim, agree not to deliver the gravel and split the deposit with them!

    1. Re:Magazine subscriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was young and the internet was just starting up, a lot of companies would mail you free samples of their product. Had a friend who stole stuff from me, wasn't much as I did not have much to steal. So I send him free samples of panties, condoms, and bunch of other female products to his house.

      To take the time and effort to hound a family for years? a group or single person... Some people should just be shot in the head after being water boarded.

  38. Re: Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Big deal. Wall Street is heavy behind Hillary. General Electric was a huge supporter of Obama. Also was a big supporter of Reagan.

    Grow up.

  39. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I disagree!

  40. Credit watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't they do something like what the credit card companies do and put a "watch" on the account? When I did customer service, we didn't have specific watches, but we had the call log and pulled up customer history with every call. They could, at the very least, put NOTICE CUSTOMER WATCH in the subject line for a log entry. They could request to not have any service changed except by personal appearance with ID at the office. That should easily stop a teen from Europe.

    1. Re:Credit watch by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Can't they do something like what the credit card companies do and put a "watch" on the account? When I did customer service, we didn't have specific watches, but we had the call log and pulled up customer history with every call. They could, at the very least, put NOTICE CUSTOMER WATCH in the subject line for a log entry. They could request to not have any service changed except by personal appearance with ID at the office. That should easily stop a teen from Europe.

      Hell, I can't even get my cc company to block charges from some lowlife scammer, I have to dispute the charge every.damn.month.

      I am told the only way to stop them is to cancel and get a new card issued...trouble is, it's only $20 per month. That is an enormous hassle to me because the credit card company can't just block one bad actor...I'm continuing to dispute the charges month-by-month so far, but once it reaches a year of this nonsense I'll probably cave in and get a new card. Damn their eyes.

      --
      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    2. Re:Credit watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, your okay with puttinng up with the hassle of disputing the charge every month, but not with the temporary hassle of getting a new card? So you pay with cash for a few days and have to update cc details on a handful of sites. You're wasting more effort disputing the charges every month!

      Just rip the damn band-aid off quickly already!

    3. Re:Credit watch by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      So, your okay with puttinng up with the hassle of disputing the charge every month, but not with the temporary hassle of getting a new card? So you pay with cash for a few days and have to update cc details on a handful of sites. You're wasting more effort disputing the charges every month!

      Just rip the damn band-aid off quickly already!

      But...but...i have this number memorized... :'(

      Yeah, I know, I should just do it. But it's also kind of a "why should I have to move, I was here first!" thing now. If I dispute it often enough, perhaps someone will actually investigate these assholes and shut them down...I know, wishful thinking...

      --
      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
  41. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who has modded on a topic, but doesn't wish to burn said mod points because I still feel them relevant, I will often post AC. That being said, I'm not the AC who posted above.

    Ever notice the check-box "Post Anonymously"? That works when you have mod points attached to a topic, but will prevent you from modding your AC post.

  42. Snorting a line of Koch by tepples · · Score: 0

    But some people aren't smart enough to distinguish between the real Koch brothers and other business owned by people named "Koch":

    Perhaps the "Des Moines office supply firm" mentioned in the story you linked should rebrand as something like Pepsey Office Supplies to distance itself from Koch Industries.

  43. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Begun this troll war has.

  44. Re:Trolling is for cows. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've already got one. It's called "Don't browse at -1".

  45. cable by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    > On Halloween 2013, Comcast shut off their cable and Internet service.

    Right, because that never happens...

    --
    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    1. Re:cable by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Time Warner shut off the internet to my fiancee's (now wife's) apartment on Christmas fucking day when the service was supposed to end January 2nd. I hated having to talk to a poor customer service agent that had to work on Christmas, but Time Warner... Just don't shut off service on a holiday and then you don't have to pay people to work on a holiday to restore service. We sure weren't going to sit in a half boxed up apartment with no internet for a full day when pretty much everything was closed.

      --
      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
  46. anonymous? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Hm. I wonder if Anonymous takes cases like this.

    --
    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  47. Re:Can identity protection services help with this by Chas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lifelock is essentially worthless.

    They are a "monitoring" service.

    So what they do is go "Woo! Someone just got hold of this person's info and might be misusing it! Isn't that interesting?"

    They're a fucking confidence scam.

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  48. He needs to stop thinking like a civilized person. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He shouldn't have went to the FBI, he should have went to the FSB, or hired a former KGB/FSB agent.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets

    Fight fire with fire.

  49. Re:I find swatting by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    I find swatting ... Endlessly amusing. I find it amusing because it exposes a fundamental flaw in telecom systems.

    You're quite mistaken there. It isn't a "fundamental flaw in telecom systems," it is a flaw in the social system. Fortunately there is an excellent patch for this issue. The problem is that it isn't used enough. If the patch was applied more regularly the problem would be likely to pretty much disappear. Will you be volunteering to demonstrate?

    --
    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  50. Re: Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wall Street throws everything they've got at whoever they think will win.

  51. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by khallow · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Are you unaware that the Koch brothers finance a lot of right-wing extremists? There's nothing "unhinged" about opposing people who undermine our political process by helping RWNJs get elected via their disproportionate influence. Money should not equal political power in a democracy.

    So what? Their "right-wing extremists" are better than a lot of things they could be funding.

  52. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't rational people be examining each argument based on its own merit rather than grouping an argument with others that it may not correspond to simply because someone chose to use a particular analogy which is perceived as overused or often inappropriately used?

    I agree, they should, which is why I refuse to listen to anyone who uses -gate to try to make their point. They are trying to prop up their own arguments by artificially equating it to watergate. Using -gate simply tells me that whatever the issue is, it isn't actually important, since you feel like it cannot stand on its own merits. But if someone else is making the exact same arguments as you, but avoids using -gate, I will gladly listen to them.

    I imagine some people feel the same about Godwin. And as long as you make it clear why you are refusing to listen, I think it is fine (though obviously it can be taken too far).

  53. I read far enough so you don't need to by netsavior · · Score: 1

    Blair says it stemmed from a disagreement over the release of a “zine” describing the exploits of Hack the Planet, a group he was also a part of. Kivimaki says his hostility stems from Blair’s threat to release the names and personal information of some of Kivimaki’s friends

    In either version of events, this family is not an innocent victim.

    Join a recreational "haxor" group, get fucked over by said group. End of story.

    If you care about digital advocacy join a white hat group like the EFF, but if you are a black hat, then get slammed by black hats, you don't deserve a long huge fonted thoughtful story piece.

    1. Re:I read far enough so you don't need to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHAT?

      Yes, the family is innocent, you fool. Okay, Blair may have been a douche from time to time, but even this level of harassment would be stupid for him alone, let alone his family. I'm amazed that anyone can really think his family deserves all this crap.

      Posting AC for obvious reasons. After all, in your world this could mean you try to rape my children.

  54. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it has come to this.

  55. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    Sure. However some people have no real argument and realize that they have no real argument. So they will happily use an obviously bogus argument that's emotionally loaded.

    Unfortunately, it works very well. Otherwise people would not bother.

    It doesn't help that most people on both sides of the pond are nitwits.

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  56. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by bughunter · · Score: 2

    Right, agreed, it's a daunting task. So the additional security step is "don't attract attention by hanging out with trolls and then pissing them off."

    This is advice. It is not blame.

    That said, I feel really horrible for the family, especially the daughter. They don't deserve any blame.

    As for Blair, TFA is very inconclusive about what he may or may not have done to attract attention.

    --
    I can see the fnords!
  57. It's been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/website-offers-to-cancel-comcast-for--5-180730710.html

  58. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess how we can tell you didn't read the post you replied to?

  59. Re:Can identity protection services help with this by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    I would not call it scam. Lifelock delivers on exactly what they promise. The monitor. The faster you react to a stolen identity issue the better. It makes it much easier to sort out.

    --
    Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
  60. Tragedy of the Commons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The so-called hacker collectives are really just perpetrating the tragedy of the commons. We build a fence around the sheep pasture, and they knock it over to show us that we should have built a stronger fence.

    "Why did you do that?"

    "To show you what will happen when the bad people come to steal the sheep."

    It will take them a decade of growing up to realize that they were the bad people.

    Same thing with finding a wallet on the ground. A guy takes the money and tosses the wallet in the trash, saying that if he didn't take the cash someone else would have. No...it was you who took the cash. You're the bad guy.

    1. Re:Tragedy of the Commons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's not how it works, fucktard.

      You basically dismissed all of full-disclosure practice with a stupid sheep analogy. If you have bad people half across the globe who are not under the jurisdiction you are, building the strongest sheep fence is necessary. And if your fence is weak, kicking it down to show you that it is because you otherwise wouldn't care, is also necessary. If your stupid-ass fence is so weak it can be knocked over, it's your fault. Some chinese kid doesn't give a shit about your laws and your sue-happy ass.

      Your stupid analogy works only if the bad guys need to physically come to you. On the Internet, there is only anarchy and it's better to have your weak-ass fence knocked over to make a point, than have your sheep stolen.

  61. Re:I find swatting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, not accepting 911 calls from spoofed phone numbers would be a start. VoIP makes it far too easy to spoof the phone number currently. It's like the same people who wrote the SMTP RFC created it.

  62. *family* by Goonie · · Score: 2

    Even if you take the view that Blair deserves what's coming to him, these dicks are going after his parents and siblings. That's reprehensible.

    --

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  63. Re: Trolling is for cows. by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's not really an option for us who moderate on a regular basis. We have to deal with the trolling and the spam.

    --
    "Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
  64. Crimes like this call for the Blood Eagle by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    But so long as modern Scandinavia forsakes its Viking roots and is saddled with a legal system that metes out six months of community service for genocide, people like Kivimaki will keep getting away with whatever they want.

    1. Re:Crimes like this call for the Blood Eagle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except r000t is a gigantic faggot who brought it on himself.

  65. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As opposed to left wing radicals like sjws and george soros? Do you not realize they're all part of the same problem?

  66. kivnikwhatever at some finish lat X long X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the US had drones able to take out problems anywhere in the world. How much money has been spent investigating compared to one quick operation? Pilots at Nellis are paid already and there are plenty of assets parked around the EU. Maybe even Sony / M$ could make a donation to get er done.

    He could at least be no fly listed (my captcha was barrack) are you listening?

    1. Re:kivnikwhatever at some finish lat X long X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at some finish lat X long X

      Where X != X.

  67. What is the problem here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes perfect sense for someone who has their feelings hurt to engage in acts of systematic terrorism. In America, this is called Political Correctness. And if this offends you, I hope someone rapes your children, kills them, and then rapes and kills you. As Americans, we encourage this sort of psychopathic behavior because we are all deeply broken, and rather than try to heal ourselves, we would rather break as many other people as we can. Political Correctness, coming to a country near you soon! Yay!!

  68. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1
  69. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lizard Squad begged me to let them suck my cock. After years of harassment, I gave in. Do you know what it was like letting them all suck my cock at once? Horrible I tell you.

  70. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with Information security is that to be safe you need professional level of blah blah blah

    The problem with information security is that you need people willing to accept measures like two factor security and/or a trusted root device such as a TPM attesting to the security of the connections established by all of your devices. Anything less is merely security theater and we all know how /. feels about that.

  71. Karma is harsh on trolls like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Threats on his life are the most merciful thing that wind up happening to professional trolls of Julius Kivimaki's caliber. When karma catches up they lose their fingers, tongue, and eyeballs to "accidents" so that they have to suffer through life knowing they'll never be able to use a computer effectively again. As the wise have already stated here... don't start pissing contests on the internet. You never know who you'll piss off and what they are capable of.

  72. Man spends 4 years and $35k to find internet troll by JoeyRox · · Score: 1
  73. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only we could waste the trolls with a 12 gauge shotgun like you can burglars.

    Seriously, someone should track down and shoot Kivimaki in the fucking head if only to make an example of him.

  74. Best sub-comment out of context by easyTree · · Score: 1

    You shouldnâ(TM)t be able to do crap like this

  75. Re: Trolling is for cows. by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

    A post about people who moderate gets modded up... CRONYISM MUCH

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  76. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by lucm · · Score: 1

    Did you really post that on Slashdot

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  77. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by lucm · · Score: 1

    So you're one of those people who follow the letter of the law, but not its spirit.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  78. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as you're paying attention to grammar, the plural of "Nazi" is "Nazis", not "Nazi's" (which is the possessive).

  79. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Completely bogus analogy.

    Not whoring your irrelevant shit to Facebook for everyone to abuse is a totally different kind of information security and doable by anyone. They weren't attacking their infrastructure via the Internet, they were abusing the info the victims put out themselves.

    It's like hanging your jewelry in your windows and lighting it with special spotlights instead of stashing it into a drawer and then wondering how it was gone so quickly.

  80. Re: Trolling is for cows. by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I dunno. I've got karma to spare for a test like this. We'll see...

    I never moderate - as in never. I probably haven't used my moderator points in years, probably several, and I get moderator points on a very regular basis.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  81. Re:Trolling is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moo blockers are for cows...

  82. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clear cut example of Cyber Terrorism.

    but who cares right?

  83. Re: Trolling is for cows. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Wow, currently sitting at your native +2. Maybe there is something to say for the cronyism.

    Do you ever get the 15 points at once? As a moderator, I hate when that happens, I feel like I can't post until they are spent, so I don't end up posting on that day.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  84. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I fully intend to win my war against APK post spam!

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  85. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Actually, from testing, this is not true. Even when you click post anonymously, it still removes your mod points from the article. You have to log out completely, close your browser, and maybe even use a private mode in order to not lose the mods.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  86. Can't we get this yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To shut off ISIS accounts?

  87. Re: Trolling is for cows. by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I have but it's not typical - I don't think. I just don't really notice or spend them. I don't moderate, as a general rule. The posts that I'd flag down are just spam and those are already covered. Other than that? I don't feel a need to curtail others speech or to impose my standards on the speech of others. If I disagree, I'm more inclined to say something or ignore them, not to delete them. I'd moderate spam, and have, but I don't usually bother - I just delete the notice. I'd rather comment in the threads and doing so as an AC, if I moderated, is against the rules so I don't do that either.

    Mostly, I know that my moderation means that they get a lower score. With a lower score they're less visible. That means they're less likely to be heard. Which, I figure, means they're more likely to just repeat themselves or it hides their posts from people who don't read at -1 or the likes. Meh, let 'em read it. I read almost everything - if I have time. I keep a Slashdot tab open and return to it when I have a few minutes. It's a good time burner. I like to discuss, not to hide speech. With the exception of spam, well, who am I to judge? So, it's a few reasons but no - as a general rule I don't spend them.

    But yeah, I've seen 15 a few times but I don't see them as often any more. I think that's because I don't moderate? I still get points but not as frequently. When I stopped using them, they stopped showing up as often. If I take a day or two off and return then I've generally got a few notifications. I'm not entirely sure how the system works. I don't think I've gotten a slot of 15 at one time for a while but I think I've had 15 waiting for me when I returned? I just delete them and the temptation goes away - I still see the settings but I can ignore those fairly well. ;-) I'd rather comment. Maybe I'll learn something?

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  88. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Talderas · · Score: 1

    Some people win, if they enjoy golden showers.

    --
    "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
  89. Coren22's "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts

    "I've been asked to further clarify so for the record yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    "MiTM attack his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

    ---

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally say it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    ---

    "why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts itself need it vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it, not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22 - this has been YOUR "APKolypse" (& those are only part of your many fails I can put out)... apk

  90. free MEGA accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can these guys not be tracked by the free MEGA accounts they were given?

  91. Coren22's "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts

    "I've been asked to further clarify so for the record yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    "MiTM attack his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

    ---

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally say it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    ---

    "why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts itself need it vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it, not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22 - this has been YOUR "APKolypse" (& those are only part of your many fails I can put out)... apk

  92. Coren22's "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts

    "I've been asked to further clarify so for the record yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    "MiTM attack his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

    ---

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally say it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    ---

    "why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts itself need it vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it, not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22 - this has been YOUR "APKolypse" (& those are only part of your many fails I can put out)... apk

  93. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by wyHunter · · Score: 2

    Interesting. The Koch brothers do fund research that supports their point of view - just like a bunch of left wingers (whingers?) like Soros and Clinton. But of course when you put 'Right Wing' in the name it's supposed to be scary! Oohhh! Afraid yet? If anyone is unhinging our political process, it's the Clintons and Bushes.

  94. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, the useful idiots don't see this as an issue. For some reason, they believe that left wing extreme wealth is on their side - when extreme wealth is only on the side of the owner of said wealth, not a political position or other individuals.

  95. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Apparently, you're still trying to white knight your way out of some insecurity or other. Does your wife wear the strapon or do you? See? I can hurl insults too! Can we be friends now?

  96. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter that the probability of such a comparison approaches one if the comparison is fair. The nazi's stand as a glaring warning in history and efforts to remove them from comment with references to Godwin's law is actually a bad thing.

  97. Coren22's "APKolypse"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

    "I've been asked to further clarify so for the record yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "I guess we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    "MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

    ---

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I literally say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    ---

    "privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts needs it vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

    What others like Dog-Cow (old acc't. not a new sockpuppet from you) thinks of your signatures on me

    ... apk

  98. Re:Trolling is for cows. by Rakarra · · Score: 2

    The problem is that people who aren't at -1 reply to the -1 posts.

  99. Re:Kind of like some families named "Koch" in the by Xest · · Score: 1

    Yeah and Kim Jong Un is better than Mao, but if asked which is the most preferable leader of a country, I'd still answer neither.

    It's not an either-or situation, it is possible to reject all retardation regardless of where on the political spectrum it sits.

  100. Re: Trolling is for cows. by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

    I get 15 points about evey three days or so. It's not always consistent as some days I forget to log in.

    --
    "Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
  101. Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    "privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else programmatically update it?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    ---

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

    "yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    "MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

    ---

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

    Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

    ... apk

  102. Let's see if Anonymous can do so well by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Vows Revenge on ISIS: http://www.newser.com/story/21...

  103. Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    "privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else programmatically update it?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

    ---

    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

    "yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

    ---

    "we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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    "MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

    Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

    ... apk

  104. Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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    "privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else programmatically update it?

    "requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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    "secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

    "yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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    "we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    60++ reputable sources say different:

    64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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    "MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

    Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

    ... apk