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Dark Matter Grows Hair Around Stars and Planets (forbes.com)

StartsWithABang writes: Dark matter may make up 27% of the Universe's energy density, compared to just 5% of normal (atomic) matter, but in our Solar System, it's notoriously sparse. In particular, there's just a nanogram's worth per cubic kilometer, which makes the fact that we've never directly detected it seem inevitable. But recent work has demonstrated that Earth and all the planets leave a "wake" of dark matter where the density is enhanced by a billion times or more. Time to go put those dark matter detectors where they belong: in the path of these dark matter hairs.

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  1. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Maritz · · Score: 2

    Force of gravity falls away at inverse square. Stars in outer edges of galaxy rotate much too fast, given the visible matter. You forgot to include your explanation for this. While you're at it, explain the bullet cluster. Cheers.

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  2. Re:Slashdot is not your personal blog by gargleblast · · Score: 2

    Please startswithabang, go away.

    And take away that wake of credulous Forbes links where the density is enhanced by a billion times or more.

  3. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ockham's razor: The facts suggest that gravitational force without visible source is being exerted.

    Since the only known source of gravity we know is matter, we assume that gravitational source comes from some invisible matter, but we don't currently have any solid proofs for this specific assertion (although neither do we have any to the contrary, nor alternate viable theories).

    It may yet appear that it does not. It may be some form of existence different than matter or energy; some wrinkles of spacetime or some sourceless gravity clusters. Since we don't know anything like that, "dark matter" is a convenient shorthand to describe that effect.

    It's a bit like both with Rutheford's atom model and with Planck's quantization of spectrum.

    The first - assuming that atom structure is a kind of "dough" with electrons being "raisins" fit the knowledge of that time explaining the "solid" nature of solids. It was blatantly wrong, proven by later experiments that found tiny nuclei in huge empty space. It was still a convenient shorthand for a time, to describe several observed phenomena and fit some observations - and for lack of better alternatives, it was accepted until disproven.

    The latter sounded so incredible at first, that it was used strictly as a *hack* to obtain results that fit the experimental data, with belief that the underlying mechanism is vastly different, but undiscovered as of yet - so the "hack" was again a shorthand used to explain given phenomena, out of convenience, because again, we didn't know any better way to explain the behavior of photon emissions, or the stability of atom - even though practically nobody believed it to be true, just a conveniently close approximation. And then, surprise-surprise, more and more experiments confirmed - that "hack" was actually how the reality worked, that was not a mistake but a very unlikely - though ultimately true - description of the nature of atom.

    Whether Dark Matter is another Rutheford's Atom, or another Planck's Quantum distribution, is to be determined and it will either be confirmed or invalidated. Currently, as a shorthand explaining the observed phenomena, it's doing pretty well.

  4. Re: PPK by drewsup · · Score: 2

    Ya, dark matter grows hair around Uranus kinda grabs a headline...

  5. Re:The dark matter between their ears by locofungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember, when the facts don't match your theory

    Correct. The facts don't match the theory. Galaxies could not hang together the way they do if all they consist of is the things we've already observed in the laboratory unless we change the law of gravity [to something enormously more complex - c.f. epicycles] or postulate the existence of something that interacts gravitationally but doesn't interact with light.

    too bad for the facts

    I don't get this. Nobody is ignoring the facts. That's why we need to change things. Dark matter is the heliocentric solution. No dark matter is the epicyclic solution.

    The [difference between facts and] theory is easily explained

    Don't know about easily. There's been a lot of "dark matter" theories that have fallen due to one or more inconsistencies with known physics.

    by an abundant (making up 96% of the universe),

    Necessary otherwise we have to change the theory of gravity

    invisible,

    If by invisible you mean doesn't interact with EM radiation then yes, this is required by the facts.

    undetectable

    It's not undetectable. If it were undetectable then we wouldn't need it. It's very detectable - its gravity is what makes galaxies hang together. Its gravity is what allows gravitational lensing to happen where there isn't any (visible) matter to make it happen.

    magic

    Definitely not magic. It has to agree with all the laws of physics. Conservation of momemtum, conservation of energy, speed of light etc.

    "dark matter"

    it's called dark matter because it doesn't interact with the EM spectrum. It neither emits EM radiation nor absorbs it.

    that is everywhere and affects everything.

    Actually, I think this is one of the great unknowns. Whether it's large numbers of light particles or smaller numbers of massive particles. Its primary interaction with the known universe is through gravity which yes, does affect everything, everywhere, at the speed of light.

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  6. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    no they aren't. they have observations that don't match the math calculations and they are trying to account for it. just like right before the theory of relativity. they thought there was and extra planet due to unexplained observations in the orbit of the planets that didn't match the math

  7. Re:Slashdot is not your personal blog by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2

    What the hell? Why? Seems like the articles he posts are interesting and on topic for a nerdy site.

    Maybe you should go away.

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  8. Re:The dark matter between their ears by PaulMattSutter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dark matter isn't a case of "fact vs. theory", but "fact vs. fact". We have multiple methods of determining the mass of galaxies and galaxy clusters. One method - counting all the light-emitting stuff - gives a certain number, and all other methods (rotation curves, gas kinematics, gravitational lensing, large-scale structure analysis, and more) give a much higher number. Two possible conclusions: 1) Our understanding of gravity is wrong, or 2) There is a new component of the universe that does not interact with light. Option 1) fails a lot of tests: if you try to make solutions for gravity for certain systems, it doesn't work for others. Option 2) has a solution called "dark matter", a new weakly-interacting massive particle that explains almost all the observations (it's not 100% perfect, but it does much better than the changing-gravity option).

    At the same time that all this was happening in cosmology, our particle physics friends were developing extensions to the Standard Model. In many theories they predicted new kinds of particle: ones that just happened to have a lot of the right kind of properties that the cosmologists needed for dark matter. Voila.

    Dark matter is the simplest, most parsimonious, most elegant known solution that fits the observational data.

    Source: I'm an astrophysicist and I do a podcast, and one of my first episodes was on exactly this.

  9. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Yoda222 · · Score: 2

    Saying that there exist some non-baryonic matter is a theory. So they have fact (observations) and they manipulate the theory (by adding dark matter, dark energy to barionic matter to the model) to match the fact. Exactly what you were asking for. But if you have an alternate model to offer, go ahead, I'm sure astrophysicists would like to hear from it.

  10. Re:The dark matter between their ears by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    Maybe it is. Suggest a better alternative though. We're sticking to this one as long as we don't have any better.

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  11. Re:Ockhams's razor by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    Yes, it would - given a theory fully consistent with the observation without the "god-like" dark matter. Which we don't have.

    So until either a workable alternate theory is developed, or we manage to disprove Dark Matter through other means (e.g. discovering it's not actually matter) it's there to stay.

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  12. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Maritz · · Score: 2

    Wrong. Galactic rotation curves do not match with what is predicted by Newton or Einstein. The outer stars are orbiting much too fast. You either explain it with hidden matter, or you explain it by modifying gravity. The the fact in this case is the anomalous rotation rates. I suggest you need to look again into what 'actual' scientists do, because what they don't do is ignore interesting observations.

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  13. Re:String theory? by Maritz · · Score: 2

    Some string theories predict particles at different energy levels with different masses (supersymmetry), and some of those particles would be cold dark matter candidates, like a neutralino.

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  14. Re:The dark matter between their ears by Bengie · · Score: 4, Informative

    You have that backwards. They're modifying theory to match the facts. They've tried to ignore darkmatter for nearly 100 years, but they can't get rid of it. The more information we get, the more real it becomes. It has reached a point in science where the numbers are slapping us in the face, saying, "STOP IGNORING ME!"

  15. Re:The dark matter between their ears by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    They're not manipulating anything. They are observing that there are numerous objects which appear to have a lot more mass than is visible. Unless you think there is something wrong with our Classical view of gravity, then the obvious answer is that there is a lot more matter out there than we can directly observe.

    Fucking hell, there's nothing worse than some self-appointed anonymous poster on the Internet who is some fucking arrogant and stupid that he thinks he understands something better than the scientists. And why is it that such arrogant fucktards always end up on /, trying to make themselves look oh so smart.

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  16. Re:The dark matter between their ears by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> why is it that such arrogant fucktards always end up on /,

    I for one welcome our SlashComma overlords.

  17. Re:The dark matter between their ears by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

    Wrong. Galactic rotation curves do not match with what is predicted by Newton or Einstein. The outer stars are orbiting much too fast. You either explain it with hidden matter, or you explain it by modifying gravity. The the fact in this case is the anomalous rotation rates. I suggest you need to look again into what 'actual' scientists do, because what they don't do is ignore interesting observations.

    Or perhaps scientists don't have a clue how gravity works on a large scale.

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