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Zuckerberg To Give Away 99% of His Facebook Stock (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Facebook stock currently held by Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan is worth roughly $45 billion. Today, the couple posted a letter addressed to their newborn daughter outlining plans to give away 99% of that stock so their daughter can "live in a better world." They say, "Our initial areas of focus will be personalized learning, curing disease, connecting people and building strong communities." The letter also includes a long list of problems that need to be solved and situations that need to be improved: human health, learning, clean energy, equality, unhealthy childhoods, and more. They go out of their way to mention that many of these will not be solved quickly, and will need investments on a 100-year scale to be worthwhile. They're making internet access another major issue: "The internet is so important that for every 10 people who gain internet access, about one person is lifted out of poverty and about one new job is created."

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  1. I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One percent being worth $500 million.

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    1. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, actually, only $450 million....

      but, Max and her siblings will still have a head start my children have only dreamed of.

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    2. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Big deal; he already owns at least $100 Million in real estate; he is going to dribble the money out *through his lifetime", thus guaranteeing him a "security blanket, just in case". Let's say there is a world depression and his fortune dwindles to $10 Million (HIGHLY unlikely, this is a theoretical). Does anyone think he would give away 99% of $10 MIllion? The scale of these grand gestures by Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, etc. if fine as far as it goes, but one has to view these gestures within the context of scale of personal holdings. In a very real way, giving money away in this fashion INCREASES one's personal power. That's what this is all about.

    3. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He'd make a great favor on the human race by just shutting down facehook.

    4. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damned if you do, damned if you don't, eh?

      I'm all for pointing out the evils done by people, but it's a bit sad to always focus on the bad things when there are also good things, on occasion.

      Would it, according to you, be better if they did not do this?

    5. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The fact that big wigs can jump in is exactly one of the things that are wrong. Their existence alone points to the problem itself.

      What makes an hour of one man's lifetime more valuable than an hour of another man's?

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    6. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be better if there was more equality, and we all got a voice. That is, to be able to donate relatively large and meaningful sums to causes we each believe in, instead of being at the mercy of the few who "made it" by capitalizing on a system that's so convoluted and complicated, where a dollar spent by the consumer doesn't signify a "vote" in the product or person behind it anymore.

      You communicate to the world how much you value something by your willingness to spend money on it. The problem is that people don't think this way anymore, and the convoluted paths in which people "add value to society" and make a killing are disconnected from society's value for those good or services.

    7. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

      God you are so right. What a bastard! I wish he would keep all of that money instead of giving it away. That would totally make the world a better place.

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    8. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by bws111 · · Score: 2

      There is no 'pricetag' on the lifetime of a person. People get paid not for existing, but for what they do or have. Zuckerberg created a company. Many people thought their lives would be improved if they owned a piece of that company, so they each VOLUNTARILY paid him a relatively small amount for a piece. In the process, he became rich. There was no value judgement on the value of Zuckerberg's or anyone else's life. They wanted what he had, so he sold it to them.

    9. Re:I'd be happy with the remaining 1% by praxis · · Score: 2

      What makes an hour of one man's lifetime more valuable than an hour of another man's?

      What an odd question. It seems you're implying that all hours of all lives should be valued equally.

      That's not what that question implies at all. That question asks, quite plainly, what is it that we as a society value such that we as a society value one man's hour more than another. Obviously we don't value everyone's time the same, but we do value some things more than others. It appears that *what* those things are is the crux of the matter, and what the question was asking.

  2. On the Importance of the Internet by ThosLives · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The internet is so important that for every 10 people who gain internet access, about one person is lifted out of poverty and about one new job is created."

    Interesting, but I've never heard such a claim before. That also sounds like correlation but perhaps not causation. And is the person who is lifted out of poverty and/or the job created one of those 10 people who gained internet access? What type of job is created? How is someone lifted form poverty? How soon after getting internet access? Maybe it's "eventually" due to education?

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    1. Re:On the Importance of the Internet by quenda · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting, but I've never heard such a claim before.

      Really? I'm constantly seeing articles about how people made large amounts of money in their spare time, working from home on the internet.

    2. Re:On the Importance of the Internet by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      How is someone lifted form poverty?

      The biggest single reason is easy access to commodity prices. Farmers can see the market price for their crops, and avoid getting ripped off by middlemen. They can also make more informed choices about which crops to grow, which fertilizers to use, how to irrigate, and when to harvest. Once they have access to the Internet, many farmers in Africa soon stop growing low value subsistence crops like rice and maize, and switch to much higher value cash crops like mangoes and coffee, which are exported to Europe and the Middle East. Once they are growing crops that generate cashflow, they have access to credit, and can buy machinery, buy fertilizer, hire additional labor, and even buy out and consolidate neighboring farms.

    3. Re:On the Importance of the Internet by praxis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a very good answer to the question. The more general answer is "information" and "education" in all areas of life. The correlation between education and status growth is well studied and I'm surprised the question even had to be asked.

  3. Re: The bigger picture by ChuckieG · · Score: 2

    He's not the sole shareholder, and you don't just dump 45B on the open market. Deals are made in these kinds of transactions, and I'm sure his influence in FB will be preserved. Besides, they will grant him more... Good for him to give back though.

  4. Knee-jerk bullshit. by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't make a better world by dissipating capital.

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    1. Re:Knee-jerk bullshit. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't make a better world by dissipating capital.

      It depends on which definition of the word "dissipate" you are using. If it's the first definition, "to disperse, or scatter", then it absolutely makes the world a better place. If you use the second definition, "squander or fritter away", then maybe yes, maybe no. Economically, if Mark Zuckerberg's shares were turned into $100 bills and dropped from a helicopter, it would without a doubt improve the world more than having it remain as Facebook capital.

      It's an idea so old, it's positively Biblical.

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    2. Re:Knee-jerk bullshit. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Hoarding real-estate and luxury goods while consuming mass quantities of energy (private jet travel, for instance) is dissipating capital.

      Focusing $44 Billion on specific programs can make a difference.

  5. how he could really make the world a better place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    0. Sell 5% of FB stock. Hold profits for step 3.

    1. Destroy the data-mined profiles of people's lives that Facebook builds.

    2. Shut down Facebook.

    3. Use remainder of his fortune to fund a distributed, censorship-resistant, surveillance-resistant, easy to use social network not beholden to or run by data brokers.

  6. "give away 99% of that stock" by Nutria · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or... you could pay Facebook's taxes with it.

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  7. Re:The question people ought to be asking themselv by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you wanted to be charitable you could have actually made your product less expensive, ...

    (a) Facebook is free. (b) Its users *are* the product - already given freely.
    Unless you mean Facebook could sell user information and content to advertisers for less...

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  8. He really has to do this by kriston · · Score: 2

    He really has to do this. The company isn't growing anymore, and has not been growing for a while. All of the side projects and ostentatious giving is necessary to try to hype up this over-hyped stock. I'm sorry for FB fanboys, but this is the dark and honest truth.

    From a human standpoint, his commitment is amazing, much like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has been and continues to be.

    I say, best of luck trying to keep FB "profitable."

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    1. Re:He really has to do this by valnar · · Score: 2

      I agree. Dump it now while its worth something. Become the next Mark Cuban after he sold broadcast.com. He made his millions and can live comfortably now.

  9. Re:The question people ought to be asking themselv by ranton · · Score: 2

    or you could remit that money to the government instead which is governed by the people.

    Or he could realize he has already amassed enough money to do meaningful change, unlike the rest of society that needs to pool their money into the government to amass wealth of a similar scale. Now that he has this wealth, I feel there are two "best" options based on where his motivations lie:

    1) He doesn't care about helping people: Start a charity to funnel money into and avoid as much taxes as possible.
    2) He does care about helping people: Start a charity to do enact meaningful change in a much more efficient manner than giving it to the government.

    In both scenarios, giving his money to a charity that he and/or people he trusts have control over is the best play.

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  10. Re:The bigger picture by roger10-4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this: "He will keep his majority stake in Facebook, and thus voting control, for the foreseeable future." I doubt there will be much change anytime soon.

  11. 99% of his stock ... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    By the time he's dead, what will 99% of his stock be worth? I'm guessing very, very, little. Yeah, right now it is still worth a lot, but that is because it is massively overvalued. It will eventually fade from popularity just like MySpace did and AOL did before that. I'd be more impressed if he said he was going to give away $44.5 billion.

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  12. Re:The bigger picture by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since he's selling his stock, he's also selling management of the company.

    He may not be selling his stock. He can donate the stock directly to his foundation, and take the tax write-off, without selling it. Then he can name himself and Priscilla as trustees of the foundation. So he can give away his stock, but still retain full voting rights and control of Facebook.

  13. He's not THAT stupid. Already paid 55% tax by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > 1) He doesn't care about helping people: Start a charity to funnel money into and avoid as much taxes as possible.

    This is his stock. He's already paying 40% income tax plus 15% double FICA on his -salary- either way. The stock income is long term capital gains, taxed at 15%. Which means that for every $100 he gives away, he saves $15 on his taxes.

    So let's do the math. He could either:
    Gross gain: $45 billion
    Tax: $7 billion
    Net he keeps: $38 billion

    Or:
    Gross gain: $45 billion
    Give away: $44.8 billion
    Net he keeps: $200 million

    Would you rather have $38 billion, or $200 million?
    Giving away a million dollars in order to not pay the 150,000 tax on it would be STUPID! You don't give away lots of money in order to avoid paying a much smaller amount in taxes.

  14. What else would he do with the money? by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's some truth to the premise of the movie "Brewster's Millions". After a certain point, spending money is not easy to do. If Zuckerberg is keeping half a billion to support his family, the other $45 billion won't make any difference to him. He can still live more extravagantly than most other multi-millionaires.

    By giving away what is basically his surplus, he gains positive publicity and maybe a bit of personal satisfaction. That's probably worth more to him than keeping the money in the bank. It wouldn't even affect his Forbes ranking since he has already said that he will still effectively control the donated Facebook stock.

    But I don't begrudge him his notion of philanthropy anymore than I begrudge the NBA stars their philanthropic foundations. They all get their publicity, tax benefits, etc. It's their money, so they get to decide what to do with it. The one criticism that I have is that I don't think much of Zuckerberg's priorities. Curing a widespread third-world disease like malaria a la Bill Gates is an impactful thing. Increasing internet access is not even a first-world problem and will do not much for people who worry about basic necessities. The one philanthropist that I really admire is Andrew Carnegie, who used his gifts to build over 2500 libraries in the world, many of which are still operating after a hundred years.

    1. Re:What else would he do with the money? by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's some truth to the premise of the movie "Brewster's Millions". After a certain point, spending money is not easy to do. If Zuckerberg is keeping half a billion to support his family, the other $45 billion won't make any difference to him. He can still live more extravagantly than most other multi-millionaires.

      By giving away what is basically his surplus, he gains positive publicity and maybe a bit of personal satisfaction. That's probably worth more to him than keeping the money in the bank. It wouldn't even affect his Forbes ranking since he has already said that he will still effectively control the donated Facebook stock.

      But I don't begrudge him his notion of philanthropy anymore than I begrudge the NBA stars their philanthropic foundations. They all get their publicity, tax benefits, etc. It's their money, so they get to decide what to do with it. The one criticism that I have is that I don't think much of Zuckerberg's priorities. Curing a widespread third-world disease like malaria a la Bill Gates is an impactful thing. Increasing internet access is not even a first-world problem and will do not much for people who worry about basic necessities. The one philanthropist that I really admire is Andrew Carnegie, who used his gifts to build over 2500 libraries in the world, many of which are still operating after a hundred years.

      He's not giving anything away. This is a 'donation' to his family 'charity'. In other words a way to get around the inheritance tax. It's not by accident that this decision comes just after having a child.

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  15. Bullshit, defender of another tax cheat. by sethstorm · · Score: 2

    $38M, since it's honest money not obtained by cheating while the other $162M is blood money. Besides, it's not as if one wouldn't end up receiving the $162M some other way.

    You don't get to play the Almighty just because you're the 21st Century version of a robber baron.

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  16. Foundations are the biggest scam in the world. by areusche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This always cracks me up how wage slaves erm people continually fall for this.

    Foundations are the biggest tax dodge ever. In fact, since Zuck is opening up a foundation he can "donate" his shares to an organization he wholly controls who can then sell that stock capital gains tax free. The best part is he can use that f*ck all amount as a tax write off on his future earnings as well.

    Then with whatever the obscene amount of money he can pay some small group of people to manage it. His daughter when she comes of age can then become a "director" or some other BS title and get paid $350,000 or more for the privilege of doing so. His family can then live off of this foundations free cash from being properly managed for the remainder of time. It's how the Rochefellers and Rothchilds continue their wealth without doing any real work.

    He's smart to be doing this now before the next big dip in the market which should be coming soon enough.

  17. misleading by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

    In fact, it seems it isn't a charity at all:
    "Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan have set up the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, a limited liability company - not a charity or charitable trust. Legal filings show that the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is owned and controlled by Zuckerberg.

    A spokesperson has confirmed to Buzzfeed that as a company, the Initiative can spend its money on whatever it wants - including private, profit-generating investment."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

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