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French Legislation Would Block Tor and Restrict Free Wi-Fi (vice.com)

Several readers sent word that French newspaper Le Monde got its hands on documents showing the French government is debating two new pieces of legislation that are unfriendly to internet users. The first would ban people from sharing Wi-Fi connections during a state of emergency. "This comes from a police opinion included in the document: the reason being that it is apparently difficult to track individuals who use public Wi-Fi networks." The second would forbid the use of Tor within France's borders. "The main problem with such a ban on Tor is that it wouldn't achieve a whole lot. Would-be terrorists could still access Tor from outside the country, and if they did manage to access Tor from within France I doubt they're concerned about being arrested for illegal use of the network."

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  1. So a national emergency gets declared and... by retroworks · · Score: 2

    They start arresting shopkeepers with open wifi. Magnifique.

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    1. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      So much for egalité, fraternité, liberté.

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    2. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And add character sets that work on Slashdot.

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    3. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not entirely surprised the French are moving to the right, constant small erosion's of rights add up and they are all in the name of managing immigrants. No wonder the French want France to come before everyone else.

    4. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Noryungi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité" to you, sir. FTFY. (Yes, I am French).

      I am afraid this is just another scurity theater in action, in a country where the "Front National" has been polluting the political discourse for the past 10 years, and has been cheaply imitated by politicians of every stripe.

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      The Conservatives are that close to the Front National.

      The Front National has been winning the very latest election.

      With politicians like these, who needs enemies? They will damage France more than Daesh, those sons of b* ever will.

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    5. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Looks like somebody has trouble using Unicode correctly.

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    6. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      What are the chances of this being enacted and enforced? I hope, like hell, they don't do the whole knee-jerk response thing and end up looking as stupid as my country.

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    7. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      You type it in the text box.... and the text box renders it like it's 1999.

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    8. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      I jumbled the order for emphasis, and yes, you're right. It's nihilistic at best, to punish open WiFi AP owners, and stanching Tor is another exercise in WTF. Know that the scared politicians are doing the same thing in the USA, but on a different scale: they sift everything, including this text. Why doesn't Slashdot use https?

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    9. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      "War and security posturing" is orthogonal to the left-right (liberal-conservative) axis. What you're actually complaining about is that the Socialist party is becoming more authoritarian, not that it's becoming more conservative.

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    10. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Front National is about removing Islam, not Wi-Fi. Nice troll though.

    11. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      ...

      Why would you believe that "Socialist" precludes "war and security posturing"

      Certainly not recorded human history.

    12. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      For some people it is always somebody else's fault. It it not. It is yours.

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    13. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FN is about removing much more. Islam, immigration, integration to Europe, general open-mindedness, some basic liberties.
      Not to mention that the criminal rate among elected FN members is even higher than in the other main parties and that their economic line is heavily criticized from all stands.

    14. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Teun · · Score: 0

      Your -1 Troll must be daesh sympathisers with mod points...

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    15. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by suutar · · Score: 1

      how does one get unicode to work right here? I'm sure it's doable but I don't recall ever seeing instructions on how to get it to happen.

    16. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      How silly.

      Why shouldn't what's posted here be private content, vetted by your auth? Must all of the Internet's conversations be public record?

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    17. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the liberal-conservative/authoritarian axis is orthogonal to the left-right axis. Wikipedia explains it pretty well.

    18. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by dmbasso · · Score: 2

      I heard they intend to pass legislation renaming their fries "liberté fries".

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    19. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      I don't think the socialist party has been any less opposed to freedom than the centre-right party in recent years. They do tend to present different arguments, but the result is very similar.

      The terrorists must be filled with joy: politicians from all parties are making every effort to accomplish exactly what terrorists want and every gruesome act they commit paves the way for further erosion of what used to be European and secular values. It is extremely saddening for anyone else, though...

    20. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      What are the chances of this being enacted and enforced? I hope, like hell, they don't do the whole knee-jerk response thing and end up looking as stupid as my country.

      Unfortunately, given the recent terrorism and idiotic response to it, I think it's pretty high.

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    21. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Noryungi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      "War and security posturing" is orthogonal to the left-right (liberal-conservative) axis. What you're actually complaining about is that the Socialist party is becoming more authoritarian, not that it's becoming more conservative.

      Bzzzt! You are wrong. When a "Socialist" Prime Minister says, talking about a minority that they should go back to their "own country" (conveniently located in Eastern Europe) because they don't want to integrate in France, it's time to recognize that this is so called "Socialist" party is now trying very hard to follow the footsteps of the racist National Front.

      And that's, again, a "Socialist/Liberal/Left party. Conservatives are even worse.

      Don't believe me? Read it and weep.

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    22. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Essentially, the "Socialist" government is now a center right government, complete with war and security posturing.

      "War and security posturing" is orthogonal to the left-right (liberal-conservative) axis. What you're actually complaining about is that the Socialist party is becoming more authoritarian, not that it's becoming more conservative.

      Bzzzt! You are wrong. When a "Socialist" Prime Minister says, talking about a minority that they should go back to their "own country" (conveniently located in Eastern Europe) because they don't want to integrate in France, it's time to recognize that this is so called "Socialist" party is now trying very hard to follow the footsteps of the racist National Front.

      And that's, again, a "Socialist/Liberal/Left party. Conservatives are even worse.

      Don't believe me? Read it and weep.

      We all know the Socialist said that.

      The problem is you seem to think Socialism is immune to racism for some reason, and that reason is unrelated to experience and human history.

    23. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why doesn't Slashdot use https?

      Dice Holdings is an arm of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Does this answer your rhetorical question?

    24. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ask a conservative what they believe, they will answer to the following effect:
      The pillars of conservatism is the belief in small limited government (and the low taxes needed to fund it as a result), the rule of law, and the adherence to the constitution. This definition is unchanged regardless of what unknown editor with or without agenda says on wikipedia.

      So, what part of "small government", and "adherence to the constitution" (when the constitution explicitly prohibits illegal search and seizure), are these kinds of policies "conservative".

      Just look at the GOP race - the more conservative the candidate - like Ted Cruz & Rand Paul - the more problems they have with the NSA. It's the Big Government authoritarians in the GOP like the Bush clan, Crisitie, and Rubio that are the problem. It's an exact parallel with the other side of the ticket with Clinton and Sanders.

      The person who pointed out it's orthogonal to left-right, is exactly right.

    25. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow someone actually used orthogonal correctly for once, not sure why nerds love to abuse that word so much.

    26. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I'm pretty sure /. uses https.

    27. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like your government needs to enact a moratorium on 'emergency legislation' after certain types of emergency situations have occurred, until a 'cooling off' period has passed, because this sounds like either a knee-jerk reaction, or certain people trying to leverage the emergency to further their own political agendas. Either way it should be prevented until everyone has calmed down for a while.

      Also: U.S. citizen here, and all jokes about your country aside (because they're all in good fun anyway; je suis Charlie), I think I can speak for many of us here in the U.S. when I say, we're horrified at what's happened there, and want to see the ultimate forces behind it brought down as soon as possible, and here's to your nation's wounds healing as quickly as possible; Vive la France.

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    28. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't that FRESOC (Novlang for French Socialism) ? War is peace ...

    29. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Um, no. Look at your browser's security icon.

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    30. Re: So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its called problem-reaction-solution.

    31. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use entities. Do research.

    32. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Actually socialists are always authoritarian, so are fascists and all other types of collectivists. What is happening is that this authoritarian regime is now creating laws that are not only about stealing money from employers and generally wealthier people to subsidise the desires of the mob but now the new usurpation of power touches the mob as well.

    33. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually those Eastern European countries are not the origin of that minority. That minority is from India, and they should go back there. Said minority does not integrate in Eastern Europe as well, and I as a former citizen of one of those two countries, fully support said minority being shipped off outside of EU borders.

    34. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linguistic eclecticism is parallel with esoteric subject comprehension. The deleterious effect on casual conversation is interpreted as confirmation of personal cerebral advantage over the listeners.

      In other words: uncommon words make people feel smart, not just when they use those words according to an accepted definition.

      And now to offend 70% of Slashdot:
      Any idiot with a thesaurus can make a simple concept difficult to understand, but it takes an expert to explain a complex subject to those outside the field.

    35. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ASCII question, here's your ANSI (Not all characters render)

      Browser support: All browsers

      Now, there's something you don't see everyday...

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    36. Re: So a national emergency gets declared and... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Your thinking politicians are rational and thoughtful would be absolutely adorable if it wasn't so tragically naive. A person can be smart; people are dumb, ignorant, panicky animals, and politicians even more so. A politician that is actually intelligent and thoughtful is a rare animal indeed, and more likely to run as fast as they can away from politics.

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    37. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by suutar · · Score: 1

      ah, I was thinking unicode needed something else, rather than just more digits. (and of course a capable browser and font :)

    38. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by jcdr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you realize that your are talking with the legitimate choice of French citizen ? For sure there are not your enemy, even if you disagree on how to act.As a Swiss citizen I would be more than happy to see France in a better political health. This could be a bit harsh to read for you, but I describes actual French political system as a "monarchie républicaine" that are not so far from the old "monarchie constitutionelle" and "monarchie absolue". Basically the the president have far too much power in the whole government system. This lay down to basic math:

      When you have only a single party that can win the election, the system tend to make 50% peoples against the other 50%. The frustration is high, so any problem will make the believe that the opposition party will be better, so the system will oscillate near 50% frustration. After some cycle the peoples eventually realize that the two main parties never meet there goals, so a other one will gain support as the situation degrade. At some point you have 3 parties, and whenever to one that win he is almost granted to have near 66% of frustration against it. So it look like having 50% frustration is the best possible score? Wait!

      In Switzerland, instead of a president, we experience since more than 150 years a federal council composed on 7 peoples from a range of leading parties. This make the vast majority of the peoples with different political orientation represented up to the head of state. The frustration is then lowered to the the peoples that don't have representation, probably below 20%.

      Just winning an election is not enough, you still have to negotiate with the others to make a positive move.

    39. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's not unicode. Unicode is "unsafe"...

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    40. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      1. People are scared.
      2. People want the government to do "something". You are always in trouble when someone starts saying "We have to do something". Without a good idea of what that something should be.

      The law is dumb. Use a VPN to a nation without the restriction on tor and use TOR.
      Going to outlaw VPNs?
      Not really possible or even a good idea.

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    41. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by suutar · · Score: 1

      so the answer to my original question of how to get unicode to work is "don't" :)

    42. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can kinda fake it... It's good enough

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    43. Re: So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politicians are smart, terribly so. And cunning, and self-serving. They have mastered two things: the common human reaction to do the opposite of what we are told, and misdirection. So you get politicians saying one thing to accomplish something entirely opposite, and using crap like "think of the children" to usher in whatever new invasion of liberty they think they want. The point of power is power, greed for control over other people.

    44. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Then how do you explain the Green Party?

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    45. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      The greens? They are a very thinly veiled socialist, hell bent on destroying private property rights. They are supremely authoritarian, what is your question actually?

    46. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Next to impossible. Let's look at wi-fi routers. Everyone has one or more; hotels, B&B's, student dorms, apartment block tenants, home owners, railway stations, airports. Even a netbook or smartphone can be configured to become a wi-fi or bluetooth hotspot. Not even mandating secure encrypted connections requiring passwords is going to be an obstacle, since you just put the password up on a noticeboard somewhere, or make it the ESSID itself. The effective radius of bluetooth is around 10 meters. So the French government are going to be patrolling every single "bubble" of bluetooth space?

      France has had problems with terrorists in the past, so they have tight controls over communications. Even to get a PAYG SIM card (Mobicarte), you need to provide photographic ID. Meanwhile, in any hotel in the UK, you can just buy a PAYG SIM card from a vending machine. For a while, any form of encryption was illegal, but Internet commerce pushed that aside.

      If they try to make Tor illegal, they must also make VPN tunneling and any other form of encrypted communication because it's always possible to reassign port numbers.

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    47. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Oh, okay, so you have no goddamn clue what you're talking about then.

      (FYI, the Green Party is left-libertarian. In particular, like the Libertarian Party, the Green Party supports "anti-federalism" and seeks to weaken the Federal government allowing state and local governments to take up the slack (or not, as they see fit). The main point of contention between Greens and Libertarians is their approach to solving the Tragedy of the Commons. Of course, by the fact that the Greens and Libertarians tend to arrive at the same principles from opposite directions, they tend to "violently agree" about them and their specific policies sometimes wind up very different...)

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    48. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      In no way can left-libertarian concepts be applied to the greens at all, you are deluding yourself. Green party demands restriction on private property rights, its position is authoritarian in natures as it wants to prevent private owners from operating their property the way they see fit. Don't bullshit here, libertarianism and greens are incompatible in nature. Greens are a 'social-justice' group and a central planning group. Those are incompatible with self-governance.

    49. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The "Ten Key Values" of the US Green Party are as follows:

      1. Grassroots democracy
      2. Social justice
      3. Ecological wisdom
      4. Nonviolence
      5. Decentralization
      6. Community-based economics
      7. Feminism
      8. Respect for diversity
      9. Global responsibility
      10. Future focus

      Of those ten items, I see three (grassroots democracy, decentralization and community-based economics) that directly conflict with your claim of support for central planning. Clearly, you're just flat-out wrong about that part.

      As for the "social justice" aspect, you're right that they claim to be a social justice group, but we could argue all day long about what "social justice" actually means. First of all, I would posit that a "weak form" of social justice is really nothing more than strong respect for civil liberties and perhaps even laissez-faire economics (same as the Libertarians), albeit with a strong emphasis on the fourth principle (that corporations are creatures of the state and thus regulation to prevent unfairness is justified -- a principle corporatists such as the Republicans often seem to forget, by the way...). Second, even Greens who support a stronger form of social justice should still want it to happen at the local level (in keeping with the other "key values"), so they could form a commune for themselves and the folks in the next town over could be left to their own governance.

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    50. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      Grassroots democracy = a ruse, included to divert attention from the authoritarian nature of the ideology.

      *Social justice = central planning and restriction if not abolition of private property rights.

      *Ecological wisdom = central planning and restriction if not abolition of private property rights.

      Nonviolence -? Fucking nonsense. You can't have that and then combine it with the rest of this, you have to use violence to enforce your views upon individuals.

      Decentralization - a ruse. Hyper centralization, restriction and abolition of individual rights.

      Feminism = unequal application of law based on gender or sex or whatever their current religion states. State religion, incompatible with individual freedoms, restriction and/or abolition of property rights.

      Respect for diversity = unequal application of law, etc., similar to the violence needed to enforce the religion of feminism.

      Global responsibility = central planning and restriction if not abolition of private property rights.

      Future focus - meaningless drivel aimed at more centralization.

    51. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you're talking about some kind of delusional caricature of the Green Party and not the actual thing itself; thus, engaging with you is pointless.

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    52. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      No, what is obvious is that you are not looking at their position objectively. Step away from it, look at it as if you were studying a new bug, not something that you immediately agree with because of some combination of key words that pull your strings.

    53. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you dispensing advice that you refuse to take?

    54. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are dead wrong on the socialists being authoritarian. Similarly, you overlooked the most pronounced fascist faction in the US - the very cult you put so much energy into recruiting for. Nobody in the history of democracy has ever put so much energy into attempting to hijack an election for fascist aims as your lord and savior ron paul. Just because he wants to do the opposite economic redistribution of that which you so inaccurately described above does not mean he is not a fascist redistributionist.

    55. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      As a non French person, I'm wondering what you don't like about the Front National party.

      Well, you indicate they are polluting the political discourse.

      Ok ... what does that mean? You simply disagree with them? That's okay, but I doubt Noryungi's colorful disagreement is going to send people to the polls.

      It sounds like French people are faced with a choice to either allow refugees who running around killing people or some assertions that they aren't polluting discourse.

      I can't remember voting for someone because they wouldn't pollute discourse.

    56. Re:So a national emergency gets declared and... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Hey, when are you idiots going to realize that all forms of government are extremely authoritarian?
      Governments are all designed to protect the elites from the poor.

  2. Fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as we can stop ISIS and MRA's like Gamergate, this is a price worth paying.

    1. Re:Fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the ban works, isn't free Wi-Fi more useful than reducing by 0.0002% the probability of dying?

  3. It's easy to block Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite many people's assertions it's very easy to block Tor. You can get a list of relays within the network from the tor servers and you can get a list of bridges by launching a very simple bridge enumeration attack (you run some relays and record the first hop in the chain).

    1. Re:It's easy to block Tor by delt0r · · Score: 1

      you're also not very anonymous on tor. People that want to track you just run a lot of nodes and traffic analysis away.

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    2. Re:It's easy to block Tor by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh? Then why are people in China still able to use it? Maybe the authorities there are not trying hard to block it? Oh, wait....

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    3. Re:It's easy to block Tor by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Stop spreading FUD. As far as is known there is one instance of people having done that, and it was both glaringly obvious in hindsight and is not a whole lot harder.

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    4. Re:It's easy to block Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your point might have been valid 5 years ago, but now we have good pluggable transports.

      If you want to block meek, you'll have to be blocking all of Google, Amazon and Microsoft's servers. If you want to block obfs4, you'll need a serious budget and more research. Good luck with that.

    5. Re:It's easy to block Tor by delt0r · · Score: 1

      It is not FUD. It has been shown in proper peer reviewed journals that you can do this. Claiming its FUD because you see no proof that anyone *is* doing it, is *not* how you do security. Do you really think the Feds are going to tell you.

      Right now the tor network is just to small to hide in. There is not enough onion.

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    6. Re:It's easy to block Tor by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Seriously, stop lying and twisting the truth. The TOR network has countermeasures to it and it is large enough to make such an attack both hard and obvious. The question is not whether this is theoretically possible, the question is whether this is being done in practice.

      And if you are unable to control your fears (as you seem to be), you are doing about the worst disservice to others by spreading them here.

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    7. Re:It's easy to block Tor by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes, the French authorities just need to watch for that first hop to onion routing and then back track to the ISP, provider, service in France.
      Send out letters and a chat down about still trying to use that service.
      Finding out who is using the service within a nation is not difficult. Reconciliation of information flowing at an international level in and out of France would need more funding ie a Tempora like effort to capture all the communications in and out of France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Once any nation gets all its telcos and providers inspecting for that first easy onion routing hop, its a difficult service to hide.

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    8. Re:It's easy to block Tor by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      You sir are an idiot! Read the GP.

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    9. Re:It's easy to block Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you're right, hence the links you provided to back up your assertion.

  4. Disruption. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what the terrorists want.

    1. Re: Disruption. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      why attack your enemy when you can get them to attack themselves?

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    2. Re: Disruption. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's exactly what ISIS told us was their strategy, and told us that they wanted us to do. Their public web sites and social media accounts have been quite clear that they want the west to make life worse for citizens and take away basic freedoms. That helps radicalise people to join their cause, and demonstrates that they are not some ineffectively little group by rather a powerful movement with the ability to influence and control western governments.

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  5. Another french revolution is needed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to round up their politicians and corporate swine then behead their asses.

    1. Re:Another french revolution is needed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      behead their asses.

      At first I was confused by this phase, but then I realized what you meant: they suffer from rectal-cranial impaction, so a beheading does indeed involve their ass.

    2. Re:Another french revolution is needed. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't they behead the actual politicians instead of their donkeys?

      --
      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  6. Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will just push more terrorists into the "lone wolf" mode. If people want to kill, they will find their ways. Even a fork is a deadly weapon. Should we ban them?

  7. Fsck those bastards by Noryungi · · Score: 0

    There used to be a saying in France: "We have the dumbest conservatives in the world".

    I vote to change it to: "We just have the fscking dumbest a-holes politicians in the world".

    That is all.

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    The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
    1. Re:Fsck those bastards by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Conservatives are always dumb. There is even research showing that by now, obviously not widely known.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    2. Re:Fsck those bastards by fustakrakich · · Score: 3

      Yeah well, they can't be that dumb if they're winning elections. For 'dumb' you have to look elsewhere.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:Fsck those bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sanity check will segfault at the very least, or more likely panic the kernel.

    4. Re:Fsck those bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelled FUCK, you fucking fag.

  8. Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Those who would sacrifice freedoms to gain temporary security deserve neither"

     

    1. Re:Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those who would sacrifice freedoms to gain temporary security deserve neither"

      Misquote.

      Please quote the entire context where Franklin was talking about those who sacrifice their freedom to bear arms pretty much deserve to be killed in a conflict:

      In fine, we have the most sensible Concern for the poor distressed Inhabitants of the Frontiers. We have taken every Step in our Power, consistent with the just Rights of the Freemen of Pennsylvania, for their Relief, and we have Reason to believe, that in the Midst of their Distresses they themselves do not wish us to go farther. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Such as were inclined to defend themselves, but unable to purchase Arms and Ammunition, have, as we are informed, been supplied with both, as far as Arms could be procured, out of Monies given by the last Assembly for the King’s Use; and the large Supply of Money offered by this Bill, might enable the Governor to do every Thing else that should be judged necessary for their farther Security, if he shall think fit to accept it. Whether he could, as he supposes, “if his Hands had been properly strengthened, have put the Province into such a Posture of Defence, as might have prevented the present Mischiefs,” seems to us uncertain; since late Experience in our neighbouring Colony of Virginia (which had every Advantage for that Purpose that could be desired) shows clearly, that it is next to impossible to guard effectually an extended Frontier, settled by scattered single Families at two or three Miles Distance, so as to secure them from the insiduous Attacks of small Parties of skulking Murderers: But thus much is certain, that by refusing our Bills from Time to Time, by which great Sums were seasonably offered, he has rejected all the Strength that Money could afford him; and if his Hands are still weak or unable, he ought only to blame himself, or those who have tied them.

      So, if you find yourself being attacked by "skulking Murderers" and and give you your "essential freedom" to defend yourself by refusing to arms and you or your family gets killed, "[you] ought only blame [yourself]."

      Not what you thought, now is it?

    2. Re: Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't give two shits if it applies to guns or the Internet or any freedom for that matter. The phrase holds true for all liberties.

    3. Re: Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please defend all liberties without KNOWING that you have at least the final fallback option, which is a halfway-effective means of fighting (and probably dying) for that which you would stand up for.

      Good luck making the Pen Mightier Than The Sword, Winston Smith.

    4. Re: Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read it more carefully. This was not about the right to bear arms, it was about the governor trying to raise taxes without the legislature's approval.

    5. Re: Fear your weak mind, not weak enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Specifically, it's to raise taxes to arm every last settler to the teeth in hopes of being able to repel attacks from "skulking murderers" (which I assume to mean the natives), after the legislature had already put forth bills providing funds for the defense of those who wished to defend themselves but could not afford arms, and after Virginia had already tried arming all the settlers and found it ineffective when they are so sparsely settled that the "skulking murderers" could move freely.

  9. Missing Paywall warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Le Monde" article is Paywalled thank you very much.
    What I can read of it only refers to the proposed detention of subjects being that are the object of "S" type surveillance sheets.

  10. Quickly, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    rename Tor !

  11. If we can't watch Facebook and Texting... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Islamic Paris terrorists texted each other on a public network. One of the Islamic California terrorists pledged support to ISIS on Facebook.

    If our national governments aren't bothering to watch the people who "like" ISIS's homepage or otherwise raise flags on themselves in public, why would we think any restrictions on encryption (that they won't watch either) would improve public safety?

    1. Re:If we can't watch Facebook and Texting... by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because terrorism isn't the reason, it's the excuse.

    2. Re:If we can't watch Facebook and Texting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ban Facebook then.

      What'll happen? I won't be able to play Farmville and Mafia Wars, and I won't know what flavor of coffee a bunch of vapid teenage hipster assholes ordered from Starbucks this morning. Big fucking deal.

    3. Re:If we can't watch Facebook and Texting... by slashways · · Score: 1

      The today French Present has only one goal win the next election (2017). His strategy is now inspired by the former East Germany, control everything...

  12. That was easy. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    One attack and Liberté, égalité, fraternité goes out the window.

    1. Re:That was easy. by Kid+CUDA · · Score: 2

      So does UTF-8 encoding apparently

    2. Re:That was easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does UTF-8 encoding apparently

      Yaaaaay Slashdot! Moving things around for no reason is much more important. Don't forget the videos on the front page. I wish that they would auto-play!

    3. Re:That was easy. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Well done for completely missing my actual point but having a nerdgasm about some trivial cut and paste error.
      Sometimes I fucking hate Slashdot jsut because of all the hypercritical anal morons on here.

    4. Re:That was easy. by Kid+CUDA · · Score: 1

      Wow, you sure get angry about a joke!

  13. Everyone keep this crap in mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you get the urge to shout that someone needs to do something in the wake of a tragedy. It's exactly what an oppressive government counts on - "never let a good crisis go to waste" is the oft quoted phrase.

    Paris attacks? Ban encryption (which had nothing to do with it). San Bernadino attacks? "Common sense gun controls" (none of which would have helped, but all of which can be seen as either an end run around due process or another step towards total confiscation & disarmament of the law-abiding populace). Think of the children. Sex offender boogeymen on every street corner. "The great Satan" versus actual foreign policy introspection. http://brainz.org/10-most-evil-propaganda-techniques-used-nazis/

  14. Re: Disruption.... Insideously brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's exactly what ISIS told us was their strategy, and told us that they wanted us to do. Their public web sites and social media accounts have been quite clear that they want the west to make life worse for citizens and take away basic freedoms. That helps radicalise people to join their cause, and demonstrates that they are not some ineffectively little group by rather a powerful movement with the ability to influence and control western governments.

    Terrorism is almost always about disrupting a society to the point it becomes fertile ground to me remade into something new. In the case of ISIS one of the goals is to undermine the West so that it becomes less democratic and less free and therefore a less desirable alternative model to a government and society based upon traditional and fundamentalist Islamic Law. The other goal is to antagonize largely Christian or non-Muslim nations into confrontation that will cause Muslims to increasingly turn to one another and unify against the West. There are nearly a billion Muslims of various traditions... or at least hundreds of millions of Sunni Muslims which is enough of a population base to establish a fairly substantial empire like the Ottoman Empire was.

    Which is a legitimate fear, but also a fear that Middle Eastern dictators have been playing upon since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in order to gain the support of Western allies against their own people. Which has traded short term stability under the rule of terror while dictator's are at their strongest, generally 20 years or so, for periods of larger scale open violence and instability when those dictators begin to weaken due to physical illness or old age.

    Islamic Law and the Caliphate begins to look appealing if the alternative model is based upon Western backed hedonistic and corrupt totalitarianism that is at war with Islam. With the caliphate you have the option to join (or die), but it isn't at all clear what the membership criteria are for corrupt Western backed totalitarian regimes. Opportunity in those regimes end up being realized through membership in very limited circles of trust where family, tribes and all sorts of other complicated attributes end up dictating your lot in life... with most people left to live off the scraps.

    There is a lot of talk about trying to counter ISIS's ideology with moderate Islam, but that isn't really enough because ISIS is promoting not just a religion but a complete way of life including a form of government. The way to truly beat ISIS is with more democratic reforms and civil liberties in predominately Muslim countries and proving everywhere that you can still fight terror and live in a free society.

  15. Romas = north of India origin by Jesrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sad-but-funny thing is, Romani are actually descendants of peoples from the North of India and part of current Pakistan who were displaced by the expansion of Islam and later by the growth of the Ottoman Empire. They're unrelated to Romanians and Bulgarians (and Polish and Italians and Greeks and Czech and Irish and Germans and.. and ...) as Roms, beyond the limited intermixing that happened while they traveled for centuries across Europe. Using them to claim that the Schengen Space has failed is a ridiculous lie as well as a wild anachronism.

    But let's face the real issue here: Marine Le Pen's F.N. has successfully re-marketed itself as the new center of the french political landscape, and the reigning parties are only now getting the memo. Out of sheer laziness and panderism they've been casting themselves as merely reacting to each of Marine's sorties on every new topic, so she got to define everyone's position for years now. And the recent elections have just now given her all the weight she needs to make them dance any way she wishes. All of this, courtesy of both parites' strategy of popularizing the F.N. in the hopes of being the only alternative left against it. It's like Kodos and Kang playing less-and-lesser-evil to C'htuluh.

    The F.N. has made Syrian refugees, unpatriotic (read: gov't-dissentive) behavior and Islam the topics du jour, so PS and LR have happily obliged, and bipartisanly passed State-of-emergency laws as well as broad mass-surveillance laws. Unemploy-what ? Who gives a rat's ass ? We'll only worry about the smoldering ruins of our economy when the moosleems are defeated, apparently.

    But only after the current government is done building up the totalitarian state that the ex-far-right-and-now-center F.N. will need to implement its crazy policies.

    --
    Maybe we deserve this world ?
  16. #FuckParis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #FuckParis and #FuckFrance , there are more important issues, like poop swastikas, cultural appropriation and need for more safe spaces for marginalized students (no cis white males).

  17. Proper credit by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    That's exactly what ISIS told us was their strategy, and told us that they wanted us to do. Their public web sites and social media accounts have been quite clear that they want the west to make life worse for citizens and take away basic freedoms. That helps radicalise people to join their cause, and demonstrates that they are not some ineffectively little group by rather a powerful movement with the ability to influence and control western governments.

    But to be honest, this is from the playbook written by Bin Laden (and still scrupulously followed by those in the West desirous of Absolute Powers). He knew that those holding offices requiring an oath to 'protect and defend The Constitution' were just mouthing words they truly didn't give a fuck about.

    1. Re:Proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1400/fc01382.htm

      Probably want to go back about 10 strips (or a few years) and read past the link above another 2-3 strips to get the gist of it. But yes - 100% agree with you. The empty suits that hold office today will tell any lie, including swearing the most basic oath to 'protect and defend The Constitution'.

  18. FARCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Paris attacks were a false flag, and the powers that be are using it as an excuse to seize more control over French citizens. Don't let them get away with that. Contribute to the development of Internet 3. No DNS, No DHCP, no registered names or IP's and fully encrypted MESH network, with no control by government

  19. Your Honor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My WiFi was secured ! I can't help that they hacked my password with my ssid of "mypasswordis12345".

  20. Papers, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sieg Heil!

    But don't forget, this is all in the name of FREEDOM

  21. I run a tor node in France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...on the OVH dedicated server that I use as a seedbox. It also runs a Freenet node. I do both because why the fuck not? The more "random" gbit nodes that aren't law enforcement related that both of those networks have, the better.

    This is some serious fucking knee jerk bullshit. I dare say that Adolf Hitler would approve, as this kind of thing is right out of his playbook.

    It would seem, to bring back a popular post 9/11 phrase, that the terrorists have won (ironic given the fact that this attack isn't at all what we've been told it is.)

    If I have to stop running one or both of those, it won't really affect my life (they just run, as they have for years and years) but it would really make me feel like something very bad had happened.

  22. Hmmmm by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

    Personally, having worked with China and dealing directly with the Great Firewall, I can't blame a country particularly a country with such wonderfully strong culture as France - for choosing to embrace control over their own information sources.

    But to the point of blocking and sacrificing anonymity, that's where I would personally draw the line if I was leader of say a country which I am clearly not.

    TOR and other P2P based services are easy enough to block, but can be reprogrammed quickly enough to not make a lick of difference, so this will prove to be a costly game of whack a mole by the local police force, and be just as exhausting as the 'hunt for terrorists' are. This cost can be so extreme, it will QUICKLY deplete the financial resources of an organization attempting to keep the country 'safe'.

    As for free WIFI. France is walking a line that the United States and the UK both went down years ago which will ultimately end up inspiring the creation of an organization much like the NSA to monitor, rather than block information.

    Now to be clear, what's at stake is the culture of the country itself. It's completely understandable some might be concerned over this.

    But the real question is: What is that culture? Without clear definitions and with the whack a mole snipe hunt for terrorism, this can very quickly lead to a revolution in a country that's already seen it's students unhappy with the leadership decisions.

    Terrorism is nothing more than a manifestation of the mind of the younger generation and a fear of change by the older generation.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "but can be reprogrammed quickly enough to not make a lick of difference, so this will prove to be a costly game of whack a mole by the local police force, and be just as exhausting as the 'hunt for terrorists' are. This cost can be so extreme, it will QUICKLY deplete the financial resources of an organization attempting to keep the country 'safe'."

      The problem with that is the type of investigation that has been opened. In some nations "security" investigations its not just that a person has to be proved guilty or is able find a good lawyer and has the legally usable funds to pay for legal advice.
      That "guilty" person has to legally move from now been very guilty to try and prove their way back to been innocent. Every aspect of their life is investigated from that one internet reported issue.

      Work, banking, telco, gov services, medical, family, friends, educational contacts all get chat downs and requests for more information and clarity. Select from a short list of government approved security cleared lawyers as your bank accounts are now frozen No finding a good lawyer who is media savvy to present a case to the wider public.

      All from just using a computer network. In many nations the idea is to isolate the person very quickly, totally and then offer the only free, easy way out, as an informant.
      Some nations just create vast numbers of informants every decade.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure where you got the idea that free Wifi was banned in the UK. There are several free, anonymous* hotspots on my high street alone.

      *as much as you can be with a spoofed mac address and not logging in to facebook.

    3. Re:Hmmmm by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

      Not sure where you got the idea I insinuated Wifi was banned in the UK. Brush up on your English skills, clearly it's your second language and you're not comprehending a pretty straightforward sentence that you should take the time to re-read to understand rather than attack.

    4. Re:Hmmmm by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

      Look, it doesn't matter which era you're living in - whether or not you're in the 13th century and being ostracized by a community with a Scarlet Letter, or you are in the 16th century and the things you can do others cannot understand so they dunk you in a tank and call you a witch our of fear, or modern day people like myself who had $11 million in assets seized by the US Government and am now homeless, sleep in a tent in a public park and have been ostracized by my own community and the government I used to work for.

      Isolation is not unique to computers, nor does it speed it up, that's simple naivety of how the world functions on your part.

      No matter the case. I do 'see' the world from an external perspective, and recognize the need to protect a community and culture and it's associated values.

      Being clear. There is no 'perfect' way to play whack a mole in preserving culture, other than to find those or the person who may have created it to begin with and learn to respect their individual choices.

      IF that doesn't make sense to you, then my advice is to read up on fantasy and science fiction and then pick up a bible.

  23. OPEC oil by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Since 1971 OPEC is selling crude oil exclusively in US$, starting the friction between Islamic and Western; It's a lose-lose proposition; You're riding a Frankenstein monster; As a Muslim, President Obama is pretty much aware of it;
    http://qz.com/562128/isil-is-a...