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Ask Slashdot: Cost Effective Way To Soundproof My Home?

An anonymous reader writes: As more and more people live closer together in tightly packed subdivisions, the mental stress of noise becomes a serious issue. Noise nuisance complaints are on the rise, litigation increasing. We try to tune it out, yet the stress it causes is still present, and there's seemingly no way around it." Six months ago a new neighbor moved in next door who has two dogs, one of which barks incessantly with a high pitched yip that is driving my wife crazy and making it difficult for me to read or work on the computer. I've already talked to my neighbor and he will bring the dog inside but three days later it starts again. What is a cost effective technical solution to knock 10 or 20 dB off the exterior noise? soundproof windows, an interior acoustic blanket,a sound blocking fence, a sound absorbing fence, planting foliage or noise cancelling headphones, or something else. I'm sure I'm not the first slashdotter to have this problem. What has worked for you?

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  1. neighbor by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 4, Funny

    what worked for me was getting rid of THAT neighbor.

    1. Re:neighbor by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

      Seems a bit extreme and you are probably lucky that things didn't backfire and the neighbors and everybody turned against you and you were the one forced out.

    2. Re:neighbor by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the police were showing up and putting heat on the other guy, it sounds like he had his paperwork in order and understood the process.

      In my State if a dog barks for over 15 minutes, that is disturbing the peace and you don't have to wait for them to get annoyed with the complaints, you can escalate them and ultimately have the dog removed. The only thing the authorities can do other than help you with the process is to pretend they're too busy, but that doesn't work every time; and if they do that you just go to Court and end up with an Order, and now if they violate it they have to move or get rid of the dog.

      And if it is a rental and the dog is repeatedly violating the noise laws, sometimes you can force the property owner to give them a short term eviction notice to avoid shared responsibility for the ongoing legal violations.

      It all depends on local law. Without that information, you're just making a false accusation. You can do that here with no penalty, but if you're playing the game he is of calling the cops over little shit and you tell a cop about a false accusation, that becomes a crime. We can assume that isn't the case, because of whose door the cops kept coming to.

    3. Re:neighbor by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Getting rid of the neighbour is not the solution if the neighbour is doing nothing wrong.

      And the corollary, of course: Getting rid of the neighbor is a great solution if they are doing something wrong, like chronically violating the law in a way that prevents you from the peaceful enjoying your premises. "Peaceful enjoyment of the premises" is a legal right in my State that applies to all residences, both homeowners and renters have that right. If the properties have the same owner, you can actually force the landlord to get rid of them.

      Lifestyle choice isn't only something you have on the run. Many people desire to make a lifestyle choice when they select the home. Moving when people break the law in a way that impacts your property is not a sustainable, scalable solution the way that making the person breaking the law move is.

    4. Re:neighbor by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

      That kinda happened to us. Another typical story about the stupid neighbor with incessantly-barking dog; we called the police over and over (after trying to deal with them personally), a cop came out one day, found the dog barking, waited around 10 minutes, dog was still barking, so he issued a criminal citation. The key here is that dog-barking was a crime in the city I lived in, according to local statute. So he had to go to court and tried to defend himself; he even brought in his next-door neighbors to support him. He drew up a diagram showing how all our neighbors have dogs and we're the weirdos, but of course the prosecuting attorney simple stated the law, showed he was in violation, and he was found guilty.

      "We all don't like you" doesn't mean squat when you're in violation of the law and the police are willing to testify against you and the city is willing to prosecute you. He ended up getting slapped with a fine and having to use a bark collar. The fine was a few hundred dollars I think, not huge, but if he got caught again leaving his dog outside for hours on end barking its head off, the penalty of course would have been much worse. This really shut up the neighbors for a while (both him, and his next-door buddy who also had a noisy dog).

      We eventually did move out, but for other reasons. My advice here: before you buy a house, check out the neighborhood thoroughly and make sure there's no noise issues like that around. Also check out the local ordinances to see what legal power you have in case it becomes a problem. Personally, I've gotten to the point where I think it's pointless to buy a house at all unless you're ready to retire and/or are going to have a lot of land around you. Renting is better: you can move out pretty quickly, and given the way the job market is for engineering, I end up moving every couple of years anyway.

    5. Re:neighbor by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

      it's called despair. imagine not having a good night's sleep for a month or two.

    6. Re:neighbor by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the next person has a bigger dog and the city laws prohibit barking dogs, then you call the police and let the city deal with it again.

      How would you "land in trouble" for using the legal system the way it's meant to be?

      Moving into a house doesn't work: all my dog-barking experiences have been in houses, not apartments. Why should I move out of the city? In my experience, people in the country are even worse. You'd have to move somewhere where you can afford tens of acres around you, which is unrealistic. Why shouldn't I expect people to obey the laws of the city they're in? Why do you dumbass dog owners all think that laws shouldn't apply to you?

    7. Re:neighbor by BronsCon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dogs bark when something is wrong, or when they perceive that something is wrong. Letting your dog keep barking for any length of time (I think 10 minutes is too long in this case) is animal abuse. Either the dog needs something, is afraid of something, or is trying to warn you of something; ignoring it and letting it keep barking is not the answer. So yes, calling the cops over ANIMAL ABUSE is perfectly reasonable and only a narcissistic asshole dog owner would argue otherwise.

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    8. Re:neighbor by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. It doesn't surprise me at all that I'd get a response like that from some narcissistic asshole on Slashdot (of course, from an AC).

      In my case, the big problem was all the narcissistic assholes who left their dogs outside in their treeless, grass-less back yards, in Phoenix, in 110-degree heat, all day long. Sounds like animal abuse to me. In my case, after the asshole was convicted in court, he kept his dog inside a lot more (where I could still hear it barking, but I had to be in my back yard and it wasn't that easy to hear it).

    9. Re:neighbor by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Funny

      With a sound proofed house, "getting rid of the neighbor" is even easier.

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    10. Re:neighbor by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Only for the next person to move in with a bigger dog.

      Doesn't necessarily mean a bigger / louder problem.

      When I was young we had two German Shepherds who stayed outside in the back yard most of the time (we lived in Virginia Beach) and were normally pretty quite, unless something was wrong. Once, they *really* startled a guy who climbed over our six-foot privacy fence to retrieve a Frisbee, then vaulted over it w/o it when they started barking and running toward him. Two minutes later, there's a knock on the door by a very embarrassed guy asking for his disc.

      I watched the entire episode from my upstairs window. Saw the Frisbee fly over the fence; was about to go get it, but saw the guy climb over the fence; thought either, "dumb ass" or "this will be interesting" (can't remember); heard the dogs start barking; saw the guy's face as he realized his mistake; saw the dogs running; saw the guy frantically climbing / jumping back over the fence. Ultimately, it was hilarious.

      I'm pretty sure the dogs would *not* have hurt him, but have never seen anyone be that dumb before or since.

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    11. Re: neighbor by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

      Not uncommon. It's 2am, the neighbors dog has been non-stop for hours and this is a nightly occurance. Discussions with the neighbor about it nearly lead to blows. So yes, you call the police and do things the right way vs a poison meal or a suppressed .22lr The FUN ( Slashdot approved method ) would be to build an ultrasonic generator in the 130db range. Put it on a remote switch or auto-trigger when the barking starts and that problem will fix itself quite quickly.

    12. Re:neighbor by russbutton · · Score: 2

      The problem is, when you get married, usually your prospective spouse tells you all this stuff before you commit to it. She tells you about her kids, family, hopefully most of the emotional baggage, etc. You usually get to meet most of these other people too. That's what the whole "dating" phase is for, and why it usually lasts from 6 months to a couple of years or more these days. Most people even have sex a lot before they get married, so they can "kick the tires" so to speak.

      That must be why marriages are so long lasting and reliable in our culture...

      But you're 100% correct. When you buy a house, you pay your money and you take your chances. I am among the most blessed of men as my neighbors are all very pleasant and kind. And my wife is a real jewel who is patient, kind and giving.

      I bought my 1920 bungalow back in '99 and it was in serious need of work. Since then I've replaced all of the original windows with new, wooden, double paned windows and the outside noise is dramatically reduced. There are a couple of dogs at a house around the corner a couple doors down which can be annoying in the morning, but nothing like was the poster was complaining about. I think double paned windows would help anyone significantly with this problem, but the ultra-sonic gizmo others were talking about here are probably a pretty good idea.

    13. Re:neighbor by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ignoring the needs of your pet is abuse. If your pet needs space to run and execrise so they don't spend all night loudly complaining thet they aren't getting that, then you need to give them that. Not doing so is abuse.

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    14. Re:neighbor by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2

      Why should I move out of the city? In my experience, people in the country are even worse.

      I live out in the country and what really grinds my gears is when someone from the city moves into the country and starts calling the cops about every little thing trying to control everything their neighbors do.

      I'm surrounded by neighbors with barking dogs and the sound of gunshots. I've never been a big fan of the wanna-be dictators that live in cities so it actually brings pleasure to my ears to hear the report of liberty ringing through the woods and my fellow freedom loving country dwellers don't mind it either.

  2. Get an anti bark device by clifwlkr · · Score: 5, Informative

    If it is for an annoying dog, just get one of the anti bark devices that look like a bird house first. There are several with good reviews on Amazon. They don't work on all dogs, but there often is success with them. It is worth a shot since they are only like 50 bucks, and soundproofing your home is going to cost a lot more.

    Otherwise what I have found the most effective is outside vegetation around your property border. Gives you privacy from both sight and sound. Also pretty....

    1. Re:Get an anti bark device by sunderland56 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Both Smith & Wesson and Glock make excellent anti-bark devices.

    2. Re: Get an anti bark device by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better yet if your neighbor is an asshole who is abusing his dog by not feeding him and keeping him outside then call police and society for the prevention of cruelty to animals

    3. Re:Get an anti bark device by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the submitter takes your advice, there will soon be a follow up question "How do I soundproof my prison cell?"

    4. Re: Get an anti bark device by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Simpler solution - offer to,take the dog for a walk. It's bored and lonely, it's going to bark. You may even get to like the little yipper once he stops.

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  3. Overall sound-reducing strategy... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2
    Your main strategy should be to reduce the sound by as much as possible as close to the source as possible.

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    As you get closer to your ears, the sound reduction becomes less selective and you wind up reducing the level of sounds that you want to hear..

    1. Re:Overall sound-reducing strategy... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other words, build a soundproof box around the dog.

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  4. Contact bylaw enforcement. by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Document the noise and contact your local bylaw officers. Present them with a clear explanation of what's happening. Video will help. In most jurisdictions, there are restrictions on outside noise that lasts longer than a certain duration and that occurs after a certain cutoff time at night.

    This is not a problem you should attempt to resolve by wrapping your house in 3 feet of bubble wrap and duct tape.

  5. These worked for my noisy office. by slacka · · Score: 4, Informative

    We created a few "quite spaces" in our loud office with Acoustic Soundproofing panels. You cover the doors, walls, and ceiling, and nothing gets in or out. They worked wonders.

    www.amazon.com/Mybecca-12-Pack-Acoustic-Soundproofing/dp/B00TP7C9YY/

  6. Noise-cancelling headphones by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Bose QC25 are the best ones available right now.

    1. Re:Noise-cancelling headphones by kimvette · · Score: 2

      Two problems:

      1. "No highs, no lows, must be BOSE."

      2. Noise-cancelling headphones generally do not work well for vocal ranges; they work well for constant noise as others have pointed out; generally lower-frequency and/or constant sounds like ICE and turbine engines, road noise, HVAC, and so forth. It actually has the reverse effect on vocal ranges which are intermittent sounds; when the background sound is removed conversational and animal vocalizations become more noticeable. A better solution is sealed over-ear headphones (Sennheiser HD280 Pro for example) for isolation rather than cancellation.

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    2. Re:Noise-cancelling headphones by kimvette · · Score: 2

      So I suppose you hear no difference between radio trash full-range speakers and Klipsch reference series or palladium series speakers?

      If you can't hear the difference, I truly feel sorry for you because you really are missing out.

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  7. What they do for airport noise... by unimacs · · Score: 4, Informative

    New doors, windows, and most importantly improve the insulation in your walls and attic, - also air seal. Insulation can be "dense packed" into walls without opening them up.

    Not only does it make your home quieter, it makes it more energy efficient. It may not eliminate all outside noise, but at least bring it down to a less distracting level.

  8. Walls & insulation by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

    My house has 2x6 exterior walls, with insulation in them. My interior walls are 2x4, but are also insulated. Outside noise is so reduced, when there is an accident on the super sharp corner we live on, we don't hear it - hte neighbors 100 yards further away do and they are the ones that call the cops/ambulance. We notice when we see the flashing lights outside...

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  9. Acoustimat by __aasmho4525 · · Score: 3, Informative

    See http://www.maxxon.com/ I have used their Acoustimat product in the past to make my bedroom substantially quieter, and it worked fantastically. It's, unfortunately, somewhat expensive, but it is at least effective.

  10. Good luck with that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from the real estate market still being quite soft around the country, moving every time there's too much noise just isn't practical. It's expensive to move even with just getting help paid by pizza and beer.

    And the thing is, no matter where you are, you have to deal with leaf blowers and other lawn equipment, motorcycles, people who insist on having car stereos that can be heard a mile away, people who have those loud pickup trucks and of course the dogs that were mentioned.

    We live in a narcissistic obnoxious society that has no consideration for others.

  11. Did it to my house. by headhot · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's all about physical isolation, and mass.

    1. Stagger your studs on shared walls. This will mean that the sound hitting his wall and your wall won't pass through the shared studs.
    2. Sound isolating drywall. It's not that much more expensive than regular drywall. Its heavier and has a membrane sandwiched in between: http://www.quietrock.com/
    3. Hat Channels and clips. The clips get screwed to the studs and the hat channel sits on the clips. The channel sits on the clips, and the drywall is screwed to the channel. This means sounds hitting the wall will not transfer to the studs (and vice versa)
    http://www.soundproofingcompan...
    4. Wrap your electrical boxes for outlets and switches with quiet putty, seal up and joits where air can move with acoustic sealant. Anyplace air can move, sound will leak through.
    http://www.soundproofingcompan...
    5. Fill the walls with insulation. The more mass you can cram in there, and the more airflow you can stop the better.. regular R-21 will work.
    6. Double up your flooring. Put acoustic sealant between the layers. Get a mass loaded under rug foam pad.
    http://www.soundproofingcompan...

    I did this all to my TV room, cost about $600. I can crank it up in there, and it can't be heard in the rest of the house.. Its on the second floor above the kids room

  12. Move by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

    To an actually nice neighborhood where the setbacks and minimum building lots are sufficient.

    Anti Barking electronics work.

    From the sounds of your area do you have a HOA to abuse and thus abuse him, those fun things like 3 people show up to elections so get 2 neighbors and vote yourself in.

    Check the laws abuse him with those, if you can't abuse him while staying within the laws. I suggest ICP blasting as max legal decibels as early/late as possible. Put a sign on speakers that it's dog barking abatement. Another good one is enough security lights to make sure it's daylight coming through his windows sporadically 24/7 you obviously live far to close to your neighbors thus making thus effective.

    Fake it get a lawyer to threaten to sue for the lose of use/value of your home, the cost of soundproofing etc etc. I am not saying it will stick just that many view the threat very seriously.

    Do not use a gun were a nation of insane anti gun laws, often crossbows and other non firearms are just as effective and remember in many places an animal in your yard is fair game to kill check with a lawyer first obviously.

    If you can get away with it kidnap the dog bring it to a distant no kill shelter after checking and removing any microchips. Probably a better life that living with these tools.

    Realize that in everything but moving your going to have to deal with a pissed of neighbor for at least awhile. Suggest a good full coverage CCTV spread to capture any repercussions. I do firmly suggest moving to someplace that has reasonable zoning not these built on top of each other to make the developer happy places.

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  13. Get a dog silencer by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a device that detects barking of dogs and sends a high pitched sound beam only dogs can hear towards them. The dogs hear a screeching sound. They very quickly learn not to bark.

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    1. Re:Get a dog silencer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My initial use of a battery powered (four D cells) dog silencer had limited success despite placement beneath an eve within 20-30 feet from a neighboring large attack dog in a neighborhood with small lots and small tightly spaced homes. Later I tried a high powered a dog silencer powered by a 110V outlet under my back patio in a neighborhood with 1/2 acre lots and it worked instant wonders on two large loud dogs nearly 100' away.

  14. Adding noise by eis2718bob · · Score: 2

    Reducing the sound transmission is good, of course, but usually difficult and expensive. Adding more absorption inside the space is always good, will gain you a few more dB, and improve the environment for listening.

    But the best and cheapest method is to add noise.

    How can adding noise improve the situation? There's already too much noise! This has to do with the nature of hearing and attention - the so-called invisibility of the familiar. Ever notice that when the AC or a fan turns off you suddenly notice it, while you didn't notice the sound before? That's because the mind will tune out and ignore meaningless background.

    If you can add enough white/pink noise to mask the offending noise then your attention will not be distracted by it, and eventually all of the sound will fall beneath your attention. This is the usual treatment for tinnitus, ringing in the ears, and many sufferers can gain substantial relief by it.

    A quick way to try it out is with your home stereo. On FM mode, tune between stations (and turn off muting). This will provide very nice white noise with adjustable volume. Give it a couple of hours at least. There are inexpensive white noise generators available.

    A little classier is falling water, such as an inside fountain. This is more towards lower frequencies (pink noise), but the particular random nature of the sound is very calming for most people.

  15. Re:That's great if you work during the day by sudon't · · Score: 2

    But what if you work nights and have to sleep during the day?

    That's been my situation for many years. If sleeping is the problem, it's easily solved with earplugs. The OP is plagued during the day. He could use earplugs, but I suspect that's not what he wants. Ten to twenty decibels is a lot of sound-proofing, and that would cost some real money, (and you may never achieve that level of sound reduction).

    OP:
    You could go with heavy curtains on the side of the house where the noise originates. You'd be amazed how much sound the right curtains will absorb. Blackout curtains are a double set of curtains - attractive ones in the front, and opaque ones behind. You might look for something similar, as the double layer seems pretty effective at absorbing sound as well as light. Windows seem to act as passive radiators, so that would be a place to start.
    If you want to deaden a room, you can try placing sound traps, (egg-crate foam, etc.), on various points of the wall, much as you would for recording, or for setting up a listening room. You can find sound analyzing software that'll work on a laptop, to try to figure out problem frequencies, (although it sounds like it's all high mids), and where the reflections are coming from. That'll help you set your traps. You can buy nice-looking traps from hifi dealers, but they add a couple zeros to the price of anything related to hifi. Better to make them, or have them made, if aesthetics are a consideration, (you did say you had a wife?).
    Ultimately, you're going to have to learn to tune it out to some degree. You'll never be able to silence the outside world without tearing out your walls and bricking up the windows. People can get used to all sorts of distractions, so it's partially a psychological problem. Instead of tensing up when the dog starts yapping, learn to relax and, eventually, ignore it. That's the most cost-effective solution.

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  16. Step 1 fix your holes. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    do not even bother with wall soundproofing until you replace all your windows with triple pane and seal up every single air leak. adding a storm window to the outside of the triple pane will also help as each air gap will significantly reduce the sound levels transmitted into the home. after you do all that, THEN have the wall insulation replaced or actually added. Most homes in america have little to no wall insulation as most homes are older than 1950 when heating costs were cheaper than insulating.

    now fix all your doors, bet you that every single one of them has crap seals that all need replacing. Door seals need to be replaced every 4-5 years, 99% of all homeowners do not do this. if your doors are really old wood panels replace the whole door and door jam with a modern steel/fiberglass wood core door with at least a double pane window in it.

    A typical home, expect to spend about $10,000 to bring the windows and doors up to at least current and dramatically reduce the noise incursion.

     

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  17. Easiest way by tgrigsby · · Score: 4, Funny

    You guys are so funny with your various poisons, sound proofing techniques, intimidation and legal maneuvering. All you need is peanut butter. I guarantee that dog will be gumming a golf-ball sized ball of peanut butter for at least 15 minutes straight, and once it's done getting all the peanut butter out of its mouth, it will be too tired to bark. Works every time.

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  18. .22LR by Macdude · · Score: 4, Funny

    A .22LR will do the trick, or if it's a particularly large dog a .38.

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  19. My vote is for something else by Krishnoid · · Score: 2