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Why Governments Lie About Encryption Backdoors (vortex.com)

Lauren Weinstein says there are smart people in government, "who fully understand the technical realities of modern strong encryption systems and how backdoors would catastrophically weaken them," but asks So why do they continue to argue for these backdoor mechanisms, now more loudly than ever? The answer appears to be that they're lying to us. Or if lying seems like too strong a word, we could alternatively say they're being 'incredibly disingenuous' in their arguments. You don't need to be a computer scientist to follow the logic of how we reach this unfortunate and frankly disheartening determination regarding governments' invocation of terrorism as an excuse for demanding crypto backdoors for authorities' use.

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  1. Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand why people believe a single word from the (US) government. Every time, on nearly every topic but especially security / military, what they say turns out to be not true.

    1. Re:Lie? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't understand why people believe a single word from the (US) government

      It's part of their religion.

      Every time, on nearly every topic but especially security / military, what they say turns out to be not true.

      Talking snakes poll even better - objective truth has little relevance.

      But also consider the mental load of admitting that they're being economically and culturally ruined by these people. That would imply a moral imperative to action, which would require them to get off the couch. Technology has created the best living conditions in human history which brings comfort. They don't realize that fascistic regulations prevent that technology & comfort from being many times better. That's where the flying cars are.

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    2. Re:Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The SOLE reason governments (aka: not you, but the puppet masters you sheeple put into office) want backdoors and crypto bans is NOT because terrists (aka: murderers, killers, criminals, thugs), IN FACT all of them have NO real impact, look upi death rates by cause.... but because governments around the world are SCARED SHITLESS that in this new CONNECTED world where people are aware of each other and TALKING with each other and sharing ideas and solutions and futures..... that the PEOPLES OF THE WORLD are now WAKING UP and realizing that governments, especially the crony thieves of old, are UNNECESSARY.
      To put it quite frankly, the US GOVT, and every other one, is AFRAID of losing their power and being REPLACED by actual effective legitimate non-corrupt totally open entities that serve ONLY the people, NOT THEMSELVES.
      Do you have any FUCKING idea what kind of FALL FROM POWER and change that represents to these dynasties of elites?
      So they are now trying to INVADE *your* PRIVATE communications so that they can see WHAT YOU'RE THINKING in that regard, and then MANIPULATE all of what you see, hear, read, and disintermediate your actions, steer markets, and all their old tricks.... SO THAT THE STAY IN POWER, AND TAKE MORE POWER AND RIGHTS FROM YOU.
      Make NO mistake, this has nothing to do with anything but THEM and them alone.
      WAKE UP WORLD... think about it... you'll realize there are more Springs needed than just the Arab Spring, fall of Berlin Wall, etc... the ones for and by you right at home.

    3. Re:Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Though Corporations are just as evil, they don't currently have the ability to TAX you for things you don't need or want, nor JAIL you for whatever "laws" they choose to write and (selectively) enforce.
      Also note that corporations are a form of VOLUNTARY association, you don't have to take part if you don't want.
      Though they can get big enough to influence you in bad ways, there are generally alternatives in the marketplace.

    4. Re:Lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      best wishes on finding your one true market

      where buyers have complete information, act rationally, and have a near-infinity of choices to
      weigh

      where every single transaction not only meets the perfect optimum for both parties, but further
      informs the market through the magic of price-setting

    5. Re:Lie? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      They don't lie, it's just Newspeak.

      The other side of the coin is that if they are caught then it may be because they want to be caught and therefore actually want the idea to get killed.

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    6. Re:Lie? by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So you never heard of the "Microsoft Tax"? And they don't need to jail you, not physically at least. Just cut off your internet access and uninstall unwanted programs remotely in your computer if you happen to run the latest Win 10.

      Notice that the corporations can afford to pay lawyers and lobbyists to bend the regulations their way. And add your name to a "no fly" list is simple.

      We are already there in a world where we are monitored, controlled and manipulated. But we are held unaware. Also look at all the trackers that are accessed when you access a web page. Who do really benefit from them? In the early year of the web you had a page counter counting the number of visits to the page. Today that's done a hundred times over combined with data that's used to uniquely identify you as a person so that targeted ads can be served and they can probably identify you good enough to be able to see what kind of offers they shall provide through snail mail to your home address.

      So corporations definitely know you - and probably every politician that has an important enough position to become manipulated. It's enough information collected today to get hooks into every political party that exists and then push for some support for some obscure legislation writing to get it through in a way that benefits the corporation.

      Just realize that this is why many corporations hates ad-blockers because it hurts them when they try to collect data about you. The sharing of WiFi passwords in Win 10 isn't for your convenience either, it's there for them to be able to make the linking even stronger, since now you know which friends that you have - and how many outside marriage sexual relations you have.

      We currently live in a world where we have a combination of Huxley's Brave New World, Orwells 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. OK, we don't burn books directly, but we have electronic information that's forbidden to possess.

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    7. Re:Lie? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you kidding? The only reason why they didn't claim that power yet is that it's simply more cost effective to offload that shit onto governments.

      It's like having colonies. We realized that it's more cost effective and less of a hassle to simply put puppets in control and prop them up while at the same time keeping them fully dependent on our money. That way you can have your cake and eat it too, you can still have full control over your colonies, their raw materials and what they produce for you, while at the same time having no expenses for keeping it under control.

      Same with corporations and countries.

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    8. Re: Lie? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      have you seen merkins touching their hearts during the anthem, saluting the flag, reciting the pledge of allegiance (to the effing flag?), treating their flag like a freshly born baby (WTF flag code???!!), displaying flags on their houses, flagpoles in frontyards, etc...? that IS a religion, if i ever saw one.

      and they start this brainwashing earlier than most people start with 'normal' religion. WTF merkins?

    9. Re:Lie? by eumoria · · Score: 2

      there are BETTER WAYS to type then MAKING EVERY OTHER portion capitalized. it makes your argument SOUND STUPID and like it comes from a fucking CRAZY PERSON

    10. Re:Lie? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2
      I take it you've never heard of the practice on the part of the *MPAA and RIAA of literally writing the laws they think should be passed and then having their chosen representatives submitting it as a bill essentially as is? Nor have you heard of the CD levy? Where ALL recordable CD blank media gets a tax added to it, ostensibly going to the artists to offset assumed piracy, but in reality going to organizations that somehow neglect to actually pay the artists their share? (Oh, and incidentally, this only covers artists who have signed with the major labels, unsigned and indie artists are not entitled to a share of this money...)

      *Many other large corporations and corporate associations have done the same of course. It's just that in the realm of IP, copyrights and piracy do we see the most clear-cut, headline grabbing examples. Examples: The efforts to keep electric cars non-competitive, efforts to continue to subsidize oil and corn-based ethanol fuel stocks, Native land being outright seized by abusing eminent domain and then selling that land to mining and/or oil companies who started the whole process. The well known "chicken tax" originally intended to penalize Euro companies for taxing US chicken imports, but somehow morphing into a tax on Asian light trucks, which "coincidentally" protected the big three US auto makers from competition from smaller, lighter and more efficient vehicles during the height of the 70's fuel crisis. These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure my fellow slashdotters can contribute many more examples....

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    11. Re:Lie? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      You don't think that locking up information and media behind ever-extended copyright and DRM is a step backward? Every time they extend it, that's just one more step. You do realize the dark ages were the result of knowledge being removed from circulation, kept to a select few who eventually perished, taking what they knew with them. Of course, we have ways around today's DRM, so some would say it is a non issue; I find it difficult to agree when there exist places where circumventing DRM is a criminal offense that can lead to incarceration. They want their knowledge, they want their information, and they want to either not share it or price it such that only the elite few can have it. And no, I'm not talking about $20 blu-rays and 99 cent music tracks, there are many more important resources kept under lock and key.

      There's one example, and I didn't even have to try hard to find it. While I could provide a few more, it's best left as an exercise for the reader; it'll sink in better if you do the work yourself.

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  2. They got used to it by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government simply got used to being able to see everything at all times. Now that we can create blind spots, they are paranoid and lashing out.

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    1. Re:They got used to it by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well I think it's just as much the general public not being used to early, brutal death anymore. I just checked the mortality statistics here in Norway:

      0-1 years old: <0.25%
      0-45 years old: <2%
      0-66 years old: <10%

      That is rather amazing when you consider there's still fatal accidents, diseases, murder and suicide. But we're chipping away at it bit by bit, adding safety measures, advancing medicine, reducing crime, improving mental care. Then a guy with a Kalashnikov fucks it up good, killing lots of people who with 98-99% probability should have lived decades, minimum. I'm not sure how they really coped with that during WWI and WWII when young men (and quite a few others) were dying left, right and center but I know today it's such an abomination we don't deal with it at all. We want it solved and eradicated, not just make the reasonable precautions and live with the residual risk.

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    2. Re:They got used to it by dryeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Has forcible rape skyrocketed or has the number of women actually filing charges skyrocketed? It has been getting easier for a woman to charge a rapist without being put on trial herself.

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    3. Re:They got used to it by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Around here (BC and the rest of Canada) much has been coming out about how crappy the cops would treat victims that were minorities (mostly native) and prostitutes and such, to the point that reporting a rape to the cops would be an invitation for the cops to rape them. It is easy to believe that a 3rd more women are actually successfully reporting forcible rape and it makes more sense then most types of crime dropping except forcible rape going up by a 3rd.

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    4. Re:They got used to it by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Maybe you didn't know that "down under" is a colloquialism referring to the country of Australia.

      Compare the mass murders in Australia before the Port Arthur Massacre, with afterwards (when the gun laws were tightened drastically). 0% is quite close to the truth, depending on how you define a mass shooting.

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  3. The Goberments... by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We've read the "Government does this, the Government doesn't do what it should, and the Government is corrupted etc." so many times it becomes both tiring and old, especially since most of it is just us - the people - voicing our opinions about things we've "heard" about, and even if it was true - we do basically NOTHING about it...but talk.

    That said...even if you elected someone else - the power of knowledge is too tempting for ANYONE to resist. Therefore the way is OPEN SOURCE all the way. The safest way is actually no secrets in any source or any software, keep everything open - and then no one will be able to put in back doors or abuse bugs that are unknown as everyone will be able to peek inside and help fixing it.

    What we need to do is to stop this endless paranoid game of "who do you trust?" and start producing results and solutions. We can do this together...the "gorberment" can't do anything about it, if anything - they should keep to what they do best (whatever that is) and leave the technology to enthusiasts like us, WE - the people - will pretty much make sure your privacy is safe because we'll all end up using open source software.

    The only thing "goberment" is achieving with this crazy "who do you trust?" game is making sure would-be terrorist keep digging a deeper hole to hide in and grow a HUGE database of every persons private lives - kept - for their interpretation, with the kind of knowledge and power NO man should hold.

    What you do with your computer or in your home - isn't government business no matter what the cause is. If you don't have the freedom to think freely, voice your opinions at will - then you don't have any freedoms at all.

    Now, if they ever outlaw open source, then we'll be in trouble (or rather - they will).

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    1. Re:The Goberments... by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

      >The safest way is actually no secrets in any source or any software, keep everything open

      HA

      Not more than 50 or 60 people bother looking through some of some Linux drivers, and half of them work for the government. "open source" doesn't mean "nothing is secret" unless people put in the time.

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      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
  4. How does it work by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Serious question here......how would that work from a technical perspective?

    Presumably they want to have a "master key" that would unencrypt any iPhone drive, but each user has to have their own unique key, as well. What kind of encryption algorithm lets either of two keys unencrypt something?

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    1. Re:How does it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because encryption is usually a bit more complex then just that. A common system is to encrypt the data with a a strong symmetric cipher, using a single-use key key generated on the fly, then encrypt a copy of that key with the method of the user's choice, such as a password or asymmetric cipher. This way, you lessen the impact of using a slower or weaker method, as it is encrypting what is hopefully a relatively small and utterly random packet of data. Diffie-Hellman key exchange, NTFS file encryption, and others use this principle.

      The 'master key' exploit should be fairly obvious, at this point: Every time the system creates a key package, it creates another copy of the single-use key, encrypted with a hidden 'master key' supplied by whoever ordered the backdoor. This doesn't compromise the integrity of the cipher used on the data, or on the other key packages. The danger lies in the security of the Master Key itself, which must be included in some form in every single instance of the encryption system. Unless the Master Key is made truly unique for every instance - a records-keeping nightmare - then an attacker only needs to break one key to break them all.

    2. Re:How does it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Serious question here......how would that work from a technical perspective?

      All your keys are belong to U.S.

    3. Re:How does it work by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because encryption is usually a bit more complex then just that. A common system is to encrypt the data with a a strong symmetric cipher, using a single-use key key generated on the fly, then encrypt a copy of that key with the method of the user's choice, such as a password or asymmetric cipher. This way, you lessen the impact of using a slower or weaker method, as it is encrypting what is hopefully a relatively small and utterly random packet of data. Diffie-Hellman key exchange, NTFS file encryption, and others use this principle.

      The 'master key' exploit should be fairly obvious, at this point: Every time the system creates a key package, it creates another copy of the single-use key, encrypted with a hidden 'master key' supplied by whoever ordered the backdoor. This doesn't compromise the integrity of the cipher used on the data, or on the other key packages. The danger lies in the security of the Master Key itself, which must be included in some form in every single instance of the encryption system. Unless the Master Key is made truly unique for every instance - a records-keeping nightmare - then an attacker only needs to break one key to break them all.

      Wouldn't it then be fairly trivial for a user (or easy to use utility) to delete the 2nd copy of the key, removing the back door?

    4. Re:How does it work by mangobrain · · Score: 2

      Not if that key is created and stored at rest on remote infrastructure (e.g. the servers of Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and so on). Think about that for a moment or two, and you begin to realise why such backdoors undermine security so fundamentally: the only way to ensure users can't simply delete (or, more realistically, prevent transmission of) the second copy of the key is to mandate that the encryption happens on the server, not the client; so not only is it a bad idea for these second copies to exist in the first place (providing a new target for attackers, who now only have to crack a single master key to decrypt their entire haul, rather than a key per user), but it also reopens all the security and privacy concerns of transmitting a plaintext payload (encrypted in flight, but in the clear at both ends) and trusting "the cloud" not to abuse it.

      You get the worst of all worlds: your data is officially readable by the government; attackers gain new, promising attack surfaces; and you get to go back to worrying about what the corporations might be doing with your trade secrets. Enjoy!

  5. it's not the smart people, it's the PHB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the smart people don't drive the commentary, they just stand there in the background face-palming them selves.

    Honestly government isn't any different from enterprise:

    The Techs & Scientists give management a clear answer on a subject, stipulating all the factors and issues with a stance that the boss is taking, providing alternate approaches & data that shows what they want is irrelevant anyway.

    The PHB doesn't like what he's hearing so just goes out and says what he thinks, regardless of the facts. "Well that's what I've promised the client, so you'll have to deliver"

    Do you think that politicians & leaders in the "security" services are any different ?

    1. Re:it's not the smart people, it's the PHB by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bingo, too bad you posted as an AC. Most people think of technology as FM, Fucking Magic. Most people in policy positions of government are no different because they come from the ranks of most people. They do not believe someone telling them something cannot be done because they've "consumed" too many TV shows that tell them technology is FM. Those crazy scientists and engineers are always pulling someone's nuts out of the fire at the last minute when the previous 3/4 of the show convinced them it those nuts are going fry.

      The policy makers still come from the ranks of most people. Ever listen to most people calling on CSPANs morning callin show? They are nuts. Few are able to think logically much less rationally. They believe Jews control the world, WTC was an inside job, the moon landing was faked, there's a shadow government, Obama is a Muslim. Expect this lot to somehow come up with sensible policies is like asking for square eggs.

      The rank and file in the government, for the most part not the policy makers, are more or less normal, can think logically and rationally, many have advanced degrees so the nutjobs got weeded out. The policy makers were mostly elected or rose to their position by stepping on qualified people to make themselves look better. They are mostly firm believers in FM because they want to believe in FM. The fact that their reasoning is circular is only reinforcing their beliefs to themselves.

    2. Re:it's not the smart people, it's the PHB by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > , there's a shadow government,

      Gee, and that's why the G20 summit secret law and TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) were held in the open, right? Oh, wait,they're weren't until WELL after the fact.

      Maybe if governments would stop making bullshit reasons for secret laws maybe this conspiracy would finally die.

      > WTC was an inside job,

      And yet seven hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, Building 7 just "mysteriously" collapses.

      What was the official report on the cause of _that_ again??

      Only a fucking idiot would believe it was "the terrorists."

    3. Re:it's not the smart people, it's the PHB by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The bible containing proof that god exists is like Harry Potter containing proof that magic exists.

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  6. Focused on attack instead of defense. by dweller_below · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Part of the problem is that many believe that we can attack our way to security. They are confused about the fundamental nature of attack and defense when applied to the internet. They don't understand the combination of global connectivity and automation. They don't understand that any action of internet attack or defense has unintended consequences.

    In the old days, you could attack one thing. You could defend one thing. But, that doesn't map well to the internet. Now, we all talk to each other. We all use the same methods of defense. When one actor attacks another, the attack is exposed, analyzed, and re-used. Now, when somebody attacks, they increase the cost of defense for everybody. When somebody comes up with improved defense, we all learn how to increase the cost of attack for everybody.

    For over a decade, several branches of the US government have focused almost all their energy on attacking others across the internet. The result is an internet where compromise and breach are daily events. Somehow, our protectors don't see that they are crafting the tools of our demise and handing them to our enemies. If we are honest, we are more to blame for the great compromise at the OPM than our attackers. If we had spent the last decade on creating and encouraging defense, then breach would be difficult and rare.

    Now, our governments are blindly following the tradition of attack. They wish to attack the protocols we use to determine identity and create security. They don't see or care that everybody else will do likewise. They don't see the great devastation that will follow.

  7. Ban Encryption & Guns, so ... by BoRegardless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then only criminals will have guns and encryption.

    The logic is absolutely inescapable with these scenarios: The US government is working with criminals and will thus help them to succeed.

    Criminal gangs can get their hands on various encryption programs. Backdoors on hardware won't make a damn worth of difference.

  8. Since the failure of the Vietnam war by Curlsman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The late Ben Bradlee of the Washington Post has recalled:
    "I guess it started for me with Vietnam, when the establishment felt it had to lie to justify a policy that, as it turned out, was never going to work ... [documented] hidden away in the Pentagon Papers..."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    It seems to me we (the electorate) keep sending the people who are best at it, because they keep telling us what we want to hear, back in.

  9. Because Santa Claus by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... won't bring you any presents. Or Jesus will cry if you are bad. Keep asking questions and your parents will just break down and yell at you, "Because I say so! And I'm bigger than you. So shut up and mind me, you little shit!"

    Keep asking the encryption question and you'll find out how far away from a democracy we've drifted. And when our government gives up with the b.s. stories and lays down the law, they'll do it with armed troops.

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  10. Because It Works by chill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The simple truth is that while unbreakable encryption is out there in the form of books or papers with the math, most people -- bad guys included -- are lazy and just going to use what the simple, convenient stuff. (The back-doored stuff.)

    They fall into the trap of thinking "there are so many people using Facebook chat, the authorities will never find MY stuff in all that noise". In many cases they end up using simple code-book substitution and trivial code names. Instead of Abdul al-Hazred, they'll use "Mr. White". Instead of the Twin Towers they'll use "Faculty of Commerce". They think they're being clever because THEY would never catch this stuff.

    I've had this argument with gov't lawyers and it boiled down to me saying "but this is trivial to bypass -- smart bad guys would just use X", and them responding "yeah, but we'll catch the stupid ones and there are a TON of those".

    Anyone who has studied the history of crypto knows it is damn near impossible to get it right every last time, much less develop it without bugs. Even WITH source code samples, algorithms and coding skills people who have been doing this for a lifetime screw it up. Thus, "the horse has escaped the barn" isn't really an honest argument. That horse is going to trip of its own volition fairly quickly.

    The popular cryptographer and author Bruce Schneier in his blog recalled a conversation with fellow crypto expert Matt Blaze of the University of Pennsylvania, who said the publication of the Snowden documents would begin a âoenew dark age of cryptography, as people abandon good algorithms and software for snake oil of their own devising.â

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  11. Exactly by gordonb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Misdirection. Legerdemain. The "backdoors" are already there. The encryption is already broken. The network is already hacked.

  12. The Four Best Arguments Against Backdoors by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (1) Aldrich Ames;
    (2) Kim Philby;
    (3) J. Edgar Hoover; and
    (4) the State of Alabama (NAACP v. Button).

    Sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to revisit the Fourth Amendment as it relates to wireless communications. Perhaps the feds are trying to shape the course of public opinion in this regard.

  13. Because to work in government... by Jester998 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because to work in government, the primary qualification you need is to be a complete psychopath.

  14. surprised? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

    As Friedman said:

    [You falsely assume that] government is a way in which you put unselfish and ungreedy men in charge of selfish and greedy men. But government is an institution whereby the people who have the greatest drive to get power over their fellow men, get in a position of controlling them. Look at the record of government. Where are these philosopher kings that Plato supposedly was trying to develop?

    1. Re:surprised? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the United States, the Constitution was written to put three branches of government IN CONFLICT with each other, so that no one - nor even any two - branches of government can become destructive of liberty. But we don't use it as written any more, and many of the "progressive" elements of the early 1900s have conspired to rip down the barriers.

      The first was the 17th Amendment, allowing direct election of Senators. The Senate was DESIGNED to be the body that represented the STATES interests, while the House was directly elected. The 17th Amendment allowed for the Federal Government to tramp on the responsibilities and rights of the States. The 16th Amendment allowing for an income tax (introduced earlier, but passed with the 17th in 1913) allowed the Federal Government to grow rapidly.

  15. Like who the fuck didn't already know this? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    I never felt that the reason they gave, which was to catch the most dangerous terrorists, was ever a realistic goal... Whenever someone advocates this, it is either because they are simply too ignorant to realize the actual implications of what they are saying, or else it is because they (possibly sincerely) feel that the number of people who are too incompetent to be able to get away with committing crimes if encryption is not as readily available, but would otherwise be able to get away with committing them if they had easy access to strong encryption technologies is somehow a sizable portion of the people who commit crimes.

  16. Bill of RIghts built on distrust of government by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Bill of Rights recognizes that the government needs to be kept at arm's length, to be limited in its power. In the last few decades, we've been slowly giving more and more power to the government, sometimes in the name of "national security," (Patriot Act) sometimes in the name of "fairness for all" (Affordable Care Act). We've been taught to let the friendly folks at Washington take care of us. Now we're starting to see the dark side again. The government is saying, "Trust us with your data!"--either when they take it secretly (NSA/Snowden) or when they demand it publicly (backdoors). Maybe it's time for a digital Bill of Rights. The problem is, the government isn't just going to sit down and let go of the power they already have.

  17. Follow The Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's another dimension to this story, which gets lost in the critically important discussion regarding privacy, but it's money.

    If a government got their way and were able to impose the types of control that is now being argued for, it would require a vast amount of new infrastructure to be developed. For example, there would need to be a key escrow system; there would need to be the means of storing all data being transmitted between citizens, there would need to be vastly more money spent on all of this.

    Populations across the Western World have - entirely rightly - reached the point of "No More! Not In My Name!" with respect to on-going armed conflict [another very effective way of shifting vast amounts of money from the public purse to the private pockets [of a few]. A shawdowy, unknown threat that is so pervasive that everything done to counter it must be kept secret is an absolutely perfect scenario for spending vast amounts of money on "something". This "spending" is one of the key elements in western [I guess capitalist] society - the government [at the top] takes money in taxes. It then spends that money buy buying things to stimulate the economy and generate more productivity that in turn raises more taxes...

    Maybe - this is just a thought - what we're seeing here is a shift in strategy away from spending government trillions on the munitions side of the military-industrial complex and towards spending it on information technology.

    Some will ask: "Well, if this is the purpose, why not invest in science, medicine, technology, space exploration?" Two thoughts: Kennedy tried that and the results were not as successful as some hoped; but also, investment made in a technology and apparatus that *strengthens* the control of government will always be most appealing to the decision-makers. As others have [correctly] pointed out, all of what is being discussed services to weaken the citizen and strengthen the state - not always a good thing. I'm also reminded [and sorry, can't find the reference] of a story reported from the Snowden files. IIRC, there was an email from 2 [Booze Allen] employees, discussing a proposal being put to the NSA. One was saying something to the effect, "Look, even if we can find a way to complete the technical build so that we harvest all this data, there is *no way* anyone is going to sift through it and find something of value!" to which the reply was something to the effect, "Look, it doesn't matter - let them make the decision. Our job is to give them a proposal and, if they take it, sell them whatever they ask for..." Now, if anything like that is even partially representative of what has happened [or is happening] then it may help to explain why governments are so keen to roll out so much more technology... Or is this entirely wrong?