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North Carolina Town Defeats Big Solar's Plan To Suck Up the Sun (arstechnica.com)

mdsolar writes with this excerpt from Ars Technica: The citizens of Woodland, N.C. have spoken loud and clear: They don't want none of them highfalutin solar panels in their good town. They scare off the kids. "All the young people are going to move out," warned Bobby Mann, a local resident concerned about the future of his burg. Worse, Mann said, the solar panels would suck up all the energy from the Sun. Another resident -- a retired science teacher, no less -- expressed concern that a proposed solar farm would block photosynthesis, and prevent nearby plants from growing. Jane Mann then went on to add that there seemed to have been a lot of cancer deaths in the area, and that no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer. "I want information," Mann said. "Enough is enough."

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  1. These people by psinet · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These people will be the death of us all.

    People with IQ's averaging UNDER 100 are 50% of the vote. Some day dumb people should be just set up to vote in fake elections. They won't know.

    1. Re:These people by Coisiche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some day dumb people should be just set up to vote in fake elections. They won't know.

      They already are. Not caught on to that yet?

    2. Re:These people by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I said we should set up fake elections for the dumb people, so our elections WORK."

      If your surname happens to be Rockefeller or something like that then you don't need to ask. That's been already the case for ages now.

  2. Young people moving away? by tomknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think there might be other reasons for young people moving away. Their narrow-minded elders, a town council willing to be swayed by nonsensical arguments, the simple pure idiocy that seems to prevail. The people who stay are happy with the situation (or just can't get out).

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  3. Piling on by Mycroft-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I appreciate that the summary and associated news stories are presenting a fair, unbiased view of the situation, free from ridicule and sarcasm (SWIDT?).

    This would have been the THIRD solar farm approved in the vicinity of the town -- there are already two solar projects underway.

    The solar farm would not have increased tax revenues or added value to the town. It would not likely employ any of the town's residents.

    Yes, the town residents are poorly informed about solar -- they have two projects underway and haven't seen the results of them yet.

    The town council did what the town council is supposed to do -- represent the will of their constituents. The solar company seeking the zoning change would have been well advised to work on communicating and educating the town they needed permission from. Why would the town council overrule their voters in exchange for...nothing?

    There's quite a double standard when it comes to education -- take someone in an urban environment who can't name their state capital or point to the United States on a map, and it's the fault of the school system and their environment. Take a similarly ignorant person for a rural environment and suddenly they become a willfully hick and fully at fault for not seeking out and drinking deep of the cup of knowledge.

  4. This is actually true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "expressed concern that a proposed solar farm would block photosynthesis."
    Enough shade and nothing will grow, same reason you don't put the solar panels in the shade. Making him sound like an idiot when he is actually correct is a bit of a dick move. makes you wonder if who ever wrote this has an agenda...

  5. Fact vs. Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "All the young people are going to move out."

    If I were a young person and lived in rural America, I would be chomping at the bit to move to a city somewhere. As an older adult that is currently living in rural America, I can wholeheartedly understand. Living in rural America sucks, especially if you're educated and cultured. I spend the first 35 years of my life living in cities and thought country farm living might be a nice change of pace. Boy, was I wrong.

    "The solar panels will block photosynthesis in nearby plants"

    Absolutely true, if we change the word "block" to "reduce." After all, solar panels cast a shadow on the ground, and grass on the ground is a nearby plant.

    But see, here's the reason it is completely irrelevant how this town voted. It is because they voted. We do not live in an authoritarian dictatorship where the technorati or envirorati or hipsterati get to decide for everyone else what is good for them. The voters of a political subdivision get to decide for themselves how to deploy and use their resources, because, you know, democracy. If they want to be stupid-as-fuck rednecks, it is their right whether the rest of us like it or not.

    The one saving grace might be the ACA precedent that gave the government the power to force people to take action and buy products. This may allow the federal government to compel people against their will to buy solar panels and carbon credits and other products the government sees fit we should buy. But, someone with standing will have to sue in federal court that the lack of deploying solar panels is causing them a demonstrable loss. That might be tricky, but if the SCOTUS can apply the same tortured logic that they used in Wickard v. Filburn and NIFB v. Seleblius, then it should be only academic once a test case floats to the top.

    1. Re:Fact vs. Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just what "property rights" do you think you have? If you are in the US, you do not have your "own land." You merely are in possession of a fee-simple title that grants you permission to improve upon its surface and to control access (albeit to a limited degree), subject to whatever restrictions the title issuer sees fit to place upon that title, including the agreement to abide by local zoning laws.

      A fee-simple title does not grant you land ownership. It does not grant you mineral rights. It does not grant you riparian rights. You do not have a right to do whatever you wish with the land described in your title. You do not own the rain that falls upon it. You do not own the sunlight that shines upon it. You don't own the minerals beneath it. That's just the way it is.

    2. Re:Fact vs. Fiction by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is because they voted.

      And yet, what I do on my own land — build a solar plant or dig a lake or raise cows — should not be subject to other people's voting.

      The whole idea of "zoning laws" and "permits" for this and that is absolutely contrary to freedom and property rights.

      So you'd be perfectly happy with a strip mining pit next to your house? How about a toxic waste dump? Or a landfill? Hey it's my property, I can do whatever I want with it right?

      If what you want to with your property won't impact others, great. But if it does, then they very much have a say in the matter.

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    3. Re:Fact vs. Fiction by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your have absolutely no property rights, other than what your Government protects. Realize what you call your property rights is something people of this country have voluntarily agreed to respect. You can imagine all sorts of rights. Enforcing them without the cooperation of the people around you is impossible. You will be reduced to yet another old man yelling at kids to get off "his" grass.

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  6. Fuckwits are everywhere by amiga3D · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can find ignorant people anywhere. Some places, like slashdot, just have more than their fair share.

  7. Slashdot: full of bigotry by m0s3m8n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see bigotry for the southern US is alive and well here on Slashdot. Why look into all the facts when you can parrot this juicy headline.

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  8. Preventing photosynthesis by drolli · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this guy is right.... in the shade below the panel, it prevents photosynthesis. So does his house. I suggest we demolish it and let him live in a hole in the ground.

  9. Re:Woodlawn is run by Democrats by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except TFA clearly states this happened in Woodland not Woodlawn.

    So ... did you make the same typo several times ? Or is it possible you are thinking of entirely the wrong town ?

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  10. Re: Don't judge us by this place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bottom 40 of 50? So they are 11th?

  11. Re:Well that's a town to avoid. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The writer of an article chose to ignore the entirety of the panel discussion and select a few ignorant and irrelevant statements made during the proceedings just to give the people a rise. And thus the reaction we see here. It looks like there are more ignorant folks out there than just the few in this town.

    Nice cherry picking. The reaction is to the people making those statements - and a State where these people vote, and prove their stupidity often. After all, y'all had a Governor by name of Mark Sanford, who was using State money to travel to South America to get a little regular on the side poontang. Then after that y'all elected him to th eHouse of Representatives. I'll bet he's gettin' regular strange in DC. Stupid people, KKK homeland, and people who can be outraged over a presidential blowjob, but rewarding of using guvmint money to facilitate dippin yer wick to a feriner, and then rewarding it.

    Forgive us - for we only make fun of North Carolina because they've worked so hard to deserve it.

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  12. Re:Don't judge us by this place by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In short if the science is in conflict with your political belief, you will find a reason to distrust it, and point out the science is part of some conspiracy.

    GMO Foods, Study after study shows no negative effect on people. However the liberal activists still fear of its danger because of the conspiracy of the Agro business is hiding the real science. It is to a point where anything GMO even if it is just extra nutrients to help feed the poor is still outcasted and millions of people starve, because it is scary science.

    Conservatives: Will not believe in a science that is shown to be dangerous.
    Liberals: Will not believe in a science that is shown to be good.
     

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