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Budget Agreement Boosts US Science (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes: The National Institutes of Health (NIH) leads the way among U.S science agencies getting increases in the final 2016 spending bill released today. NIH is the winner in absolute dollars. It gets a bump of $2 billion, or 6.6%, from its current budget of $30.1 billion. Spending on science programs at NASA would grow by 6.6%, to $5.6 billion, and rise by 5.6% in the Department of Energy's (DOE's) Office of Science, to $5.35 billion. The National Science Foundation would receive an additional $119 million, or 1.6%, to $7.46 billion, and the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy would get a 6% boost, to $291 million. NASA in particular got great allocations for planetary science and commercial crew.

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  1. Great! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now all they need to do is pass the thing. Does anyone know what kind of poison pill has been inserted yet, which will cause somebody to get off the boat and sink it? We all know there is one...

    It's a sad state when the budget process has been reduced to such cynicism, but here we are.

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now all they need to do is pass the thing. Does anyone know what kind of poison pill has been inserted yet, which will cause somebody to get off the boat and sink it? We all know there is one...

      They actually somewhat compromised, hoping Obama will sign the damn thing.

      Republicans gave up defunding Planned Parenthood.
      Democrats pulled out proposed additional gun control.
      Republicans gave in on not adding vetting for Syrian refugees.
      Possibly some others.

      Sounds like they actually want this passed.

      I'm sure it's full of pork, but aren't they all.

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They actually somewhat compromised, hoping Obama will sign the damn thing.

      Republicans gave up defunding Planned Parenthood.
      Democrats pulled out proposed additional gun control.

      Sounds very reasonable to me, for once I feel like a winner on both fronts.

    3. Re:Great! by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Republicans gave up defunding Planned Parenthood.
      Democrats pulled out proposed additional gun control.

      Yes. Sad to say, but any day our government manages to avoid further eroding our rights, it feels like a significant victory.

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    4. Re:Great! by ranton · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like they predictably let go of their grand standing proposals made to appease their rightmost and leftmost leaning constituents, and ultimately passed a very status quo bill in the end. Business as usual. They throw a few billion around since it sounds like a lot of money to regular people, when on the national level it will have little to no impact on any of our biggest problems.

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    5. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there is the whole no way in hell we can pay for it thing.

    6. Re:Great! by publiclurker · · Score: 2

      but we are all supposed to pay for the damage caused by sad little ammosexuals, right?

    7. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You do!

      Planned Parenthood meanwhile does many other worthwhile things including preventing pregnancies which prevents abortions.

    8. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, then they can split that off as a separate company from the one that kills then unborn.

    9. Re:Great! by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can pay with baby parts.

    10. Re:Great! by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Now all they need to do is pass the thing. Does anyone know what kind of poison pill has been inserted yet, which will cause somebody to get off the boat and sink it? We all know there is one...

      They actually somewhat compromised, hoping Obama will sign the damn thing.

      Republicans gave up defunding Planned Parenthood.
      Democrats pulled out proposed additional gun control.
      Republicans gave in on not adding vetting for Syrian refugees.
      Possibly some others.

      Sounds like they actually want this passed.

      I'm sure it's full of pork, but aren't they all.

      A couple of other biggies: They ended the ban on exporting domestic crude oil and they extended tax credits for wind and solar power for another 5 years.

    11. Re:Great! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      The House "Science" committee decides who gets the money...

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    12. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The added CISA as a rider to this bill.

  2. billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    you're talking real money. E. Dirksen

  3. This is agreed by Obama, Democrats and Republicans by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    This budget has been agreed to by Obama and the Republican leadership in Congress, including Paul Ryan, and Congressional Democrats have expressed approval and talked about their "wins".

    Obama likes it because they put off paying for Obamacare another couple of years. The taxes on health insurance and medical equipment will be delayed until after the election and 2020, respectively.

  4. NASA budget is mostly good news... by Rei · · Score: 1, Informative

    ... except for two things:

    1) The giant waste of money known as the SLS/Space Launch System, whose budget request was a huge 1,3 billion for this year, was instead given 2 billion. Congress clearly likes flushing money down the toilet.

    2) The STMD/Space Technology Mission Directorate has been having its budget cut each year, and while it got a nominal rise this year, it was tasked with taking over RESTORE-L from the ISS's budget, so it's yet another negative. STMD is the branch which develops and tests new technologies that have the potential to make spaceflight cheaper and safer.

    That said, everything else looks good. Commercial crew is fully funded. Planetary science was increased, meaning that they're not going to have to cut any of their ongoing missions as they would have had to in the president's budget, plutonium production is fully funded, etc - and of course the big Europa mission is on coursse. Even earth science got a boost, which surprises me given the composition of the current US congress.

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    1. Re:NASA budget is mostly good news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, come on. American exceptionalism is largely bullshit. Not worth saving.

    2. Re:NASA budget is mostly good news... by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      Congress clearly likes flushing money down the toilet.

      That's tiny compared to what Congress normally flushes down the toilet.

    3. Re:NASA budget is mostly good news... by Rei · · Score: 1

      Please explain why SLS makes any sense whatsoever.

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    4. Re:NASA budget is mostly good news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like slashdot.

  5. Inflation adjusted funding is flat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Current inflation is 1.3% and let's not forget that today is the day when inflation get's a boost from the feds. Therefore, overall, there's nothing to be excited about.

    1. Re:Inflation adjusted funding is flat. by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Current inflation rate is about 0.5% (November 2015 prices compared to November 2014), actually.

  6. news on NOAA, USGS, BLS? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    These agencies often get their environmental research cut during Republican congresses. NASA Earth observing satellites too.

  7. Re:This is agreed by Obama, Democrats and Republic by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obama likes it because they put off paying for Obamacare another couple of years. The taxes on health insurance and medical equipment will be delayed until after the election and 2020, respectively.

    O has done a masterful job at delaying the biggest cost impacts.

  8. Re:This is agreed by Obama, Democrats and Republic by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Taxes on health insurance and medical care? Wtf.

    Tax the thing you are trying to make more affordable. Nice.

    Tax anything...or everything else, to pay for it. Not that. Idiots.

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  9. NIH increase == keep the lights on by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Informative

    The NIH increase is not enough to add radical new initiatives. In fact, most funded researchers will be lucky if the increase even results in them getting their full requested budget. Many researchers will likely still see overall decreases, while their institutions will likely ask for more funds to cover expenses (such as electricity, gas, space, water, etc). It's better than nothing, but it's not really much of something, either.

    If we want to be a competitive nation in terms of scientific research we need to at least fund the NIH enough to meet operating expense increases so researchers can do work and get paid at (or slightly above, if their lucky) the levels of janitors.

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    1. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      researchers can do work and get paid

      Trickle-down economics doesn't work for science. Professors/Principal investigators just hire more graduate students and postdoctoral researchers for the same salary.

    2. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Salaries in the Netherlands: janitor gets 2000 a month, researcher gets 3000. Senior academics such as professors get 3000-4000 or, rarely, up to 5000ish. And their salary is one of the few things that these researchers do NOT complain about..

    3. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Professors/Principal investigators just hire more graduate students and postdoctoral researchers for the same salary.

      Actually it is a little more complicated than that. Grants usually are required to specify who will do the work, what their title is, and why. This is part of why the largest single-PI grants are dozens of pages long, as the PI is specifying the division of labor. It is very difficult to get around it downstream, even if you only want to swap in a postdoc for a grad student (or vice-versa).

      Trickle-down economics doesn't work for science.

      You forgot to end that with either. It doesn't work in science just as it doesn't work anywhere else.

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    4. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by Solandri · · Score: 2

      NIH got a massive budget increase under Bush, nearly doubling their budget. Obama has been more or less holding it constant (slight decrease) at that higher spending level (nearly half of all Federal research spending).

      If a decade after a huge budget increase, maintaining that level of high spending is considered "keeping the lights on," then it's no wonder we have a massive budget deficit. Perhaps NIH should have its budget reduced to Clinton-era levels for one year so they can once again appreciate just how much more money they've been receiving.

    5. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Salaries in the Netherlands: janitor gets 2000 a month, researcher gets 3000. Senior academics such as professors get 3000-4000 or, rarely, up to 5000ish. And their salary is one of the few things that these researchers do NOT complain about..

      Oh and we obviously don't have such an influential network of government labs. The only such thing in the Netherlands is TNO and the struggle for funding there is real. Still I am surprised to see salary mentioned as being relevant to scientific competitiveness.

    6. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by damn_registrars · · Score: 1, Informative

      If a decade after a huge budget increase, maintaining that level of high spending is considered "keeping the lights on," then it's no wonder we have a massive budget deficit.

      You're not seeing the forest for the trees, here. The proper way to think about the budget for a lab is as the budget for a small business. You might be able to come up with an exception but I can not imagine a business anywhere in this country that is operating on the same budget they had 10 years ago and seeing the same margins. Literally everything costs more now than it did a decade ago; we pay more for electricity, we pay more for heat and water, we pay more for space. Even if the PI doesn't take a raise - or even cuts their salary - they still have increasing expenses to meet. At most institutions the grad students - even though they make less than janitors - do get annual raises, so that expense has to be met some how as well.

      Perhaps NIH should have its budget reduced to Clinton-era levels for one year so they can once again appreciate just how much more money they've been receiving.

      If your goal is to encourage the best scientists in the country to leave for other countries and never return, you may well be able to accomplish that with that idea. If your goal is to get good research and rock-bottom prices, you won't get that. There is a certain point where labs simply fold due to lack of funding, and it often has little - if anything - to do with their productivity.

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    7. Re:NIH increase == keep the lights on by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Here in the states the janitors make a little more than that (although if we convert Euros to Dollars we are probably close to parity between the US and Netherlands) but the most junior researchers make less than that, and the grad students even less still. Faculty salaries vary dramatically across the country, though in most research universities faculty in the hard sciences start around $80k / year (this doesn't sound too bad until you recognize they are working 80 hour weeks for at least their first three years, when they simultaneously have no tenure). Top faculty - if they are pulling in large grants regularly, fully tenured, with a great research record - get up to $150-160k / year at most research universities but seldom much more than that.

      Tragically most labs at our top universities have a total annual salary far below what we pay just to our head university football or basketball coaches.

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  10. Not great at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151216/05514933094/as-predicted-congress-turned-cisa-into-clear-surveillance-bill-put-it-into-must-pass-govt-funding-bill.shtml

    Article on Techdirt saying someone has stuffed CISA into this bill. Not as horrible as the final draft of CISA proposed yesterday but still rather terrible and still a surveillance bill.

    Contact your Rep and Senator today, or this will likely be made law.

  11. Not too happy about Precision Health Initiative by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Not too happy about Precision Health Initiative.

    "Participants will be involved in the design of the Initiative and will have the opportunity to contribute diverse sources of data—including medical records; profiles of the patient’s genes, metabolites (chemical makeup), and microorganisms in and on the body; environmental and lifestyle data; patient-generated information; and personal device and sensor data."

    They're looking for a million volunteers to give away all their health related and lifestyle data, to the tune of $215M. Does not seem cool. I expect that this will turn into something like "volunteer your data, or you'll be paying an extra $50/month for your health insurance, compared to someone who *does* "volunteer".

    They're also reviving the National Children’s Study to the tune of $165M ("Someone *is* thinking of the children!"), to follow 100,000 children "from the womb to age 21", to determine environmental factors affecting their health. This is the same program the NIH cancelled last December as "infeasible".

    "Q: How will this be different from the original NCS?

    A: We are going to be leveraging existing cohorts. That way, a good deal of the infrastructure will already be in place with regard to identification and enrollment of potential participants. It will allow us to ask very targeted questions where appropriate."

    Again -- not a good feeling about this' they want to centralize existing, theoretically double blind data into a central, non-blind database, so that they can reuse existing cohorts that volunteered for other studies -- but didn't volunteer for this one (but thank you for your participation anyway!).

    They also made the so-called R&D tax credit permanent -- not sure how I feel about than one, either, since the National Association of Manufacturers is behind it, and as well all know, most manufacturing happens in China. This should bring some manufacturing back to the U.S. but it's looking like most of that R&D (which amounts to $7B/year in tax exemptions for industry) is going to be to implementation automation so that can happen, rather than employing people.

    On the NASA front, it's mostly harmless; Representative John Culberson (R–TX) will be happy, since the robotic mission to Europa (wasn't that the only place the monolith told us *wasn't* ours?!?) is back on, since most of the work is happening in his district.

    Overall: medium amount of pork, and some invasion of privacy issues with regard to the NIH: so SSDD...

  12. Re:This is agreed by Obama, Democrats and Republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Taxes on health insurance and medical care? Wtf.

    Tax the thing you are trying to make more affordable. Nice.

    Well, that all depends on who they're trying to make it affordable for.

    In this case, it's taking money from people who already had insurance to pay for those who didn't. That's why people who oppose Obamacare oppose it. It's a direct hit on the middle class, who are already carrying the majority of the tax burden.

    But tell people it's free health care and they want it.

  13. CISA/CISPA reinserted for the NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/262281-cyber-bills-final-language-will-anger-privacy-advocates

    Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act is back and this time they even removed some of the few privacy protections it used to have.

  14. Re:Great! - Too bad it includes the CISA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad the US will become a surveillance state because of this...

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/lawmakers-have-snuck-cisa-into-a-bill-that-is-guaranteed-to-become-a-law

  15. Re: Not too happy about Precision Health Initiativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUD.
    Know-nothing FUD.

  16. CISA surveillance bill was hidden inside this!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/16/congress-tucked-cisa-in-budget-bill/

    We can end this if we work together: http://www.freestateproject.org/

  17. We'll need it by mdsolar · · Score: 2

    Congress is giving away all the oil to multinationals. https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    1. Re:We'll need it by jbengt · · Score: 1

      That's not a give-away of oil. It's the ability for American producers to sell crude on the open markets. That will reduce the current glut of domestic crude oil production and free up US refineries to serve US consumption.

    2. Re:We'll need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see what happens to the price of domestic refined products once more is sold on the global market and the glut in the US ends. I am willing to bed prices at the pump will go back up by 1/3 of where they are today within the next 18 months.

    3. Re:We'll need it by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      US producers have US markets. It's multinationals that wanted this.

    4. Re:We'll need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My references are for natural gas, but some of the same logic will apply for oil. US natural gas storage numbers have been very high, leading to low prices. US producers want prices to go up to justify the costs involved in drilling. An export market will increase demand for their product, increasing the price. There will be increased production at the higher price as well, but I expect new rig counts to be quite price sensitive.

      So US producers are pushing for this change to improve their profitability. Other countries will benefit from an additional source of LNG, considering Russia is currently a main natural gas supplier for Europe and the political ramifications that entails.

    5. Re:We'll need it by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a great way to hurt the US economy and end on-shoring. Natural gas has be our advantage recently.

  18. 8 dollars per capita by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    If the entirety of those two budgets were misallocated, I'd still call it a remarkably good budget.

  19. Re:This is agreed by Obama, Democrats and Republic by NetNed · · Score: 1

    Wish I had points to mod this up. That's why they tried to jack the cost every year so far. This year is stable since it was floated out there of another raise in care cost and people went ape shit, understandably so.

  20. A start, but not enough by ndykman · · Score: 1

    The NIH and NSF budgets would need a much larger bump to really kick off some major new initiatives, much less restore funding to useful programs. Translational medicine research programs have stalled, and major disease foundations are having to fund tons of foundational work. Also, there's no "moonshot" type of projects, for example, setting a goal of creating a battery that has 50% more capacity for the same weight (vs current best technology), notable gains in wind or solar efficiency, massive improvements to the power grid, and so on.