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Facebook, Google and Twitter Agree To Delete Hate Speech In Germany (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook, Google, and Twitter have agreed to remove hateful posts from their platforms within 24 hours in Germany, officials announced yesterday. The web companies committed to the move in a new agreement with German authorities, after coming under increased pressure to help curb racism online in the country. The agreement will require web companies operating in Germany to conform with the law when monitoring hate speech expressed on their platforms, instead of referring to internal policies. The German law stipulates that any comment inciting violence against ethnic or religious groups is punishable by up to three years in prison.

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  1. How about hatespeech from muslims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the same rules apply?

    German Muslim: 'Islam Is Coming And Your Daughters Will Wear The Hijab'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWNmAdgMHI

    1. Re:How about hatespeech from muslims? by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sadly, no. They pretty much have total immunity, because their religion is so, so "peaceful."

    2. Re:How about hatespeech from muslims? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      German Muslim: 'Islam Is Coming And Your Daughters Will Wear The Hijab'

      That actually highlights a problem with any type of anti-hate legislation which I first ran across in Everquest. Sony's anti-harassment policy said you could be banned for targeting another player for harassment. Which on the face of it sounds fine.

      The problem came when a griefer parked himself in an area messing things up for other players trying to complete quests in that area. Any player. In other words, the griefer wasn't targeting any particular player, and thus his behavior was legal under the harassment policy. The people who tried to impede the griefer however (e.g. surrounding him with fat ogre characters so he couldn't move or target anything), they were targeting a specific player, and thus they got banned. The anti-harassment policy ended up protecting the harasser and banning the people trying to end the harassment.

      In the same way, the Muslim making that general statement you've quoted is not targeting a particular religion or ethnic group. And thus this new policy does not apply to his statement. People criticizing him for making such an inflammatory statement though could be (mis)construed as inciting violence against his religion or ethnicity, and their posts classified as hate speech and deleted.

      The problem crops up any time you outlaw a certain behavior only if it's targeted at certain groups or individuals. Basically all anti-hate legislation which tries to protect certain groups from "hate", rather than protecting the general population from "hate". Your laws have to be consistent whether applied to part of the population, or the entire population. Any law which tries to provide additional protection to just a part of the population basically amounts to the same thing as legislating a privileged class.

  2. Chilling by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All criticism of Islam or resistance of Muslim immigration is hate speech. Modulate yourself, or else.

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  3. Re:Yet another bow to islam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There is a big difference between criticism and hatespeech.

  4. Re:Yet another bow to islam by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a big difference between criticism and hatespeech.

    ...it all depends on who gets to define what "hate speech" is. Therein lies the problem.

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  5. OMG! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's why the twitter account of the CSU has been so quiet lately.

    (CSU: Conservative party of Bavaria)

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  6. Re:Suppression by Scutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One man's hate speech is another man's opinion. Who are you to judge which is which? That's the entire point of "free speech". It certainly seems like what is being considered "hate speech" in the context of this article has a pretty broad and over-reaching definition.

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  7. Yes. Why did you need to ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where does it say "but not Muslim"? Anywhere, in any law on what constitutes "hate speech" is "but not Muslim" appearing?

    If nowhere, then where did this pansy query come from and why was it so central to your psyche that you HAD TO ask it?

    And the same to the other morons making the same whiney-ass pissant little cries about "wadaboudamusim!" like scsirob.

    1. Re:Yes. Why did you need to ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where does it say "but not Muslim"?

      Between the lines, of course. I'll eat my own shoe if it's actually enforced against Muslims inciting violence as well.

    2. Re:Yes. Why did you need to ask? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There is NO such thing as "Hate Speech". Only speech (if you value free speech).....

      This should be a bad idea to do this..but then again, this isn't the US, it is Germany who can do as they please there....

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    3. Re:Yes. Why did you need to ask? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes there is. Go look at the documentaries from the time of MLK.

      Fuck, look at Trump.

      And look at the video of Khomeni when he was telling the Iranians to blow the shit out of the Great Satan.

      You telling me that's not hate speech?

      Big differences in your examples.

      If you want to investigate and possibly prosecute someone that makes direct threats against someone, that seem actionable (I"m gonna kill all the white guys this week, who's with me?)...that's one thing.

      But to say "I hate all 's and they are the lowest scum of the earth and I don't think those fucking should be allowed to invade and change my country's core beliefs", is nothing more than one person's opinion.

      It shouldn't be against any law to say you don't like crackers, towel heads, spear chuckers, wops, gooks, chinks, spics or any other racial slur you wish to use.

      You may find some people are offended and may not want to hang around or be associated with you, and that's fine...but that is free speech.

      If you value free speech, then you value even offensive speech.

      At least that is the ideal.

      Freedom of speech by necessity cannot allow anyone to be free from being offended.

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  8. Islam isn’t the problem; assholes are by Theovon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1000 years ago, Christians were roaming the world, killing non-believers. How is this a whole lot different? Christopher Hitchens (may he rest in peace) would go on and on about the evils of religion. But the truth is that religion only dictates the form of the assholery. If people didn’t have the religion, they’d find some other ideoligical reason to go around killing people they disagree with.

    I’m not an expert in Islam. People tell me that there are lots of “kill the infidel” parts, and they’re later in the Qur’an, so they supercede peaceful stuff towards the beginning. You can find lots of violence in the Hebrew bible too. In all cases, I think it’s a matter of people cherry-picking the parts of their religious texts that support their idiosyncrasies and using that as justification. So you’re an asshole because God said to be? No. You’re an asshole. And you use your God to justify the shit you want to do.

    There aren’t more assholes in the middle east, though. Most people there are relatively poor. However, there are oil barrons who want to control economies, and they find their religion as a convenient vehicle. MAYBE it’s easier to recruit and rile up your troops if you play on their religion, and MAYBE if you didn’t have that religion, it might be harder to do this. But the fact is, millions of people want to leave Syria to get away from ISIS. Those people are primarily Muslim too, but they just want to live in peace.

    We taught to think of Hinduism as one of those inherently non-violent religions. But did you know that there are Hindu fundamentalists who feel inclined to resort to voilence over their beliefs? There are. Were some people so inclined, I’m sure they could twist Hinduism around to motivate people into violence.

    The main reason that Christians and Jews and many other religious people are no longer violent (en masse anyhow) is because the violence we’re seeing now with Islam already happened with those other religions. The maintream groups have been there and done that and have matured past it. Perhaps in another 500 years, Islam will mature (perhaps through a lot of natural selection) to the point where it becomes an inherently peaceful religion.

    We already have Islamic countries that have developed some maturity. Jordan is a great example. Their law is inherently Shari’a, which I wouldn’t want to live under, but it is tempered. For instance, sodomy was made legal in 1951. They don’t embrace it, but it’s not illegal, so you can’t be jailed for it. Basically private consential sex acts are not under the jurisdiction of the government. Moreover, if a family kills one of their kin for “shaming” them in this way or other, that death is considered murder and will be prosecuted like any other. There is maturity in separating the “moral” from the “legal” where they consider something to be immoral but do not take it upon themselves to punish all whom they consider sinners. I’m not saying this is perfect or anything, but Jordan is one of the safest countries to visit in the middle east, yet it is a solidly Islamic country. Why? Because their government is comprised of people who aren’t assholes (irrespective of their religious beliefs).

  9. Re:Yet another bow to islam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your population is old and dying. You don't have enough young people to keep your countries running and the few young people do have are weak cowards who can't take care of themselves. Everything is ripe for the taking, the takeover is happening, and you still won't even acknowledge its happening. You are not allowed to complain about it either and there is nothing you can do about it.

  10. Re:Yet another bow to islam by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who see their country raped by foreigners

    now see? that's exactly the kind of hate speech we're talking about. thanks for providing the example. now crawl back under your rock.

    That's NOT hate speech, it is an opinion. Unless it specifically incites someone to violence, like "go out and strangle all muslims at 3pm next Tues"....then it isn't hate speech, or it shouldn't be.

    You should be perfectly free, to express that "I can't stand all the fucking 's out there that think wants you to not eat and thinks should blow all and rot in hell. "

    That's an opinion, and even if it had all the racial slurs, and all.....it is nothing more than that. That is valid as free speech to anyone that values ALL free speech. The only thing that should be investigated, is if you directly threaten someone or some group with specific violent actions.

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