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Ubuntu 16.04 Will Not Send Local Searches Over the Web By Default

jones_supa writes: Canonical introduced Amazon Product Results as part of Ubuntu 12.10, which meant that local searches performed by a user in Dash were also sent online. This made many Ubuntu users spill their coffee and got criticism from EFF and FSF as well. The so called "Shopping Lens" had to be manually disabled if that kind of search behavior was not desired. Finally after years, Canonical is reacting to the negative feedback and respecting users' privacy, so that Ubuntu 16.04 (the next Long Term Support release) won't send local searches over the web by default. The Amazon search feature is still available for those who explicitly want to use it.

102 comments

  1. Really Canonical? by scunc · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happened? Is it not cool now that Windows is doing it too?

    1. Re:Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canonical is reacting to the negative feedback and respecting users' privacy

      If they respected users' privacy, it would have never happened in the first place. What they are doing is merely backpedaling out of bad PR, and nothing more. They are no more or less respectful of the users' privacy than apple, google, or microsoft -- it simply doesn't exist (respect for the user), unless there is a financial incentive for it.

    2. Re:Really Canonical? by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most likely they're not making as much money as they thought and so they're turning it off.

    3. Re:Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's be honest... They had a disagreement with Amazon on payment for promotion, and this is their way of sticking it to Amazon. That's much more likely.

    4. Re:Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So they listen to their users, but it's still not good enough?
      People like you are never happy.

    5. Re:Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In more detail, it means that the money they made from Amazon is less than the impact of disgruntled users on other sources of income such as the sale of Ubuntu shirts and coffee mugs.

    6. Re:Really Canonical? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Likely because people who use Linux know how to turn it off. Hard to make money off of it if nobody leaves it on.

    7. Re:Really Canonical? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      For once Windows was behind on something respect to Linux :)
      I all seriousness, now if Microsoft would stop the insanity and return Windows to being just an OS instead an OS, spying and advertisement device I'd consider upgrading from Win 7.

    8. Re:Really Canonical? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      What happened? Is it not cool now that Windows is doing it too?

      Probably sick of losing users to Mint -- as though the it has nothing to do with Unity itself.

    9. Re: Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never saw lens on K ubuntu.

    10. Re:Really Canonical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope it's sarcasm.

  2. Too late, assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Canonical will never regain my trust. The mere fact that they were capable of sending users' private data to their business partners means Ubuntu is dead for me.

    1. Re:Too late, assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /signed

    2. Re:Too late, assholes by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      Canonical will never regain my trust. The mere fact that they were capable of sending users' private data to their business partners means Ubuntu is dead for me.

      I'd understand claiming there was a breach of trust if they did this on the sly, but they didn't: it was common knowledge, easy to switch off, and only occurred if you used Unity. I fail to see what the problem is.

    3. Re:Too late, assholes by allo · · Score: 1

      The default was the problem.

  3. I can't be true by ISoldat53 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Canonical reacted to user feedback? That must be a first.

    1. Re:I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canonical reacted to user feedback?

      More like wallet feedback.

    2. Re:I can't be true by Prien715 · · Score: 2

      Canonical reacted to user feedback? That must be a first.

      *Checks Gnome 3*

      Nope, hell hasn't frozen over. Still not listening.

      --
      -- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
    3. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe most GNOME users simply like the way GNOME 3 works. Why should they listen to you if you're a minority?

    4. Re:I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Canonical reacted to user feedback? That must be a first.

      No, they listened to their users wrt systemd. Oh wait...

    5. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Get over it. systemd won and syslog and stderr lost.

    6. Re: I can't be true by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Gnome 3 is the worst user interface I have ever seen. In fact it is the only one worse than Metro. If I was forced to use it at my job I would quit.

    7. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should listen because of the results of an annual survey on desktop environments:

      It’s sad for Gnome as it used to be a favorite DE before Gnome 3 Shell happened. Back in 2009, it won the round with 41% over KDE's 40%. But it experienced a dip in the 2011 survey when they launched Gnome 3 Shell. It never recovered after that.

    8. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use gnome3 at work and don't understand the "just popped an alka-seltzer look at my mouth foam" response that people have over it. Even worse, it's usually "GAH! I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!" without any explanation for why. What exactly don't you like? Why?

      I'll give a couple examples:
      I dislike Unity because of the weird dock on the left side of the screen that eats up too much real estate for my taste. I dislike the web-searching and how unintuitive it is to configure things to behave the way I think they should. That, and at least the last few times I've used it, GTK apps didn't play nice with the OSX-like top bar.

      I typically like KDE, my only qualm is that look & feel settings that I think should be grouped are in completely different settings groups. Why should desktop, windows, and icons be in separate settings areas? I also don't like that when I try to install a new theme, the ones I really like are instead links to some website that may or may not still be up.

      My only complaints with Gnome3 so far (after years of using it) is making the application launcher groupings easier to configure... like the subfolders in the Windows start menu.

    9. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one doubts that YOU hate it. The question is, do you represent the majority?

    10. Re: I can't be true by Burz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Get over it. systemd won and syslog and stderr lost.

      Actually, this can't be emphasized enough. Systemd is one of the few architectural initiatives emanating from Red Hat's ken that actually improves the operation of desktop systems. There was SO much broken power management in Linux before Upstart and then systemd came along it was like a never-ending joke (which users felt was being played on _them_). As a proponent of desktop PCs (not just Linux-based) I see improvements from systemd all over the system.

      In many ways, Canonical is trying to pull the Linux desktop in the direction of OS X. That is not a bad thing as long as they understand that both Apple and MS have a lot of unexpressed rules about how to build and promote a consumer platform -- I think Canonical gets it and the rest absolutely do not. Their early move to ensure variations with alternate default DEs used different names was more important that many here probably realize. Their attention to hardware testing and certification was another thing they got (mostly) right. Assembling an SDK to attract new app developers was also a first-class move.

      Canonical's big mistake? Exactly what the OP refers to: Over-commercializing to the point where privacy seems compromised. I'm glad they finally recognized this error. Where they could improve is to remove the *dependence* on local search... OS X never removed the old means of finding apps, which is an important avenue for users to visually discover what is available on a system. Ubuntu needs a hierarchical launch menu back, but the reason they're floundering here is probably because they never duplicated OS X's system of app bundles -- would be awesome if they did.

    11. Re:I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah. i suspect it has more to do with amazon not paying-out for the referrals on links embedded in the search results.

    12. Re: I can't be true by beastofburdon · · Score: 2

      I will agree with you on KDE. It is by far my favorite interface.
      What I like the lest about Gnome 3 is how they made it extremely hard to access many of the basic settings. For example, the last time I gave it a chance I was trying to play music on my laptop while I went to sleep(It's hard for me to sleep without music in the background). In order to keep the screen from glowing in my face I shut the lid and the music immediately stopped. I thought, oh I'll just tell it to not go into sleep mode when I shut the lid... There was no way to alter this setting inside the GUI at all. I searched with google for over an hour to find a way to change it, but nothing worked, not even editing files directly. I finally said fuck it and installed KDE. 10 minutes later(slow ass connection) I was happily listening to music while I drifted off to sleep without the glow of the monitor to disturb me.
      This is not the only reason that I hate it, but it was the last straw for me. If you can't have basic options in an easy to access manner I will not use your interface.

    13. Re:I can't be true by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      But OBONGO linux is free as in free beer.

    14. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this the question? You can do a sequence of n changes to a product where each time only a minority hates the change, and end up with a userbase that shrunk to 0.51^n times what you had before.

    15. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one switched to GNOME because of v3. Never used it before then.

    16. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the correct question is whether people switching away from Gnome because of v3 are compensated by newcomers like you. This can be answered with a survey, and the answer appears to be no.

    17. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think a survey done on LinuxQuestions will give you a good representation of the Linux user. Nerds yes, but Linux users as a whole probably not.

    18. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that a drop from 41% to 11% on a subset of Linux users is pretty convincing, as it would require a strong reverse trend on the complement of users to compensate it. No evidence is perfect, so feel free to search for better numbers. Maybe there's data out there on the number of downloads for each distro flavor? Number of installations?

    19. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the most l33t haxxor subset of Linux users.

      Yeah no wonder they don't like gnome.

    20. Re:I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are trying to unspill the coffee. However, this will prove equally hard to the task of peeing out of a swimming pool or the uncooking of an egg, although I believe the Australians have attempted the latter (due to a dire shortage of chickens|eggs in Australia?). In short, coffee, once spilled, remains spilled. You generally need to replace the entire carpet to fully achieve the repair. That remnants of coffee-stain are still present (Amazon can still be used by users if they turn on this feature) will do very little to unspilling the coffee. Other distros exist, users move on.

    21. Re:I can't be true by allo · · Score: 1

      Checks Mir. Checks SystemD. No.

    22. Re: I can't be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not set the screen to blank after say 2 minutes of inactivity? That setting is very easy to find and would solve your problem.

    23. Re: I can't be true by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Because I demand that my computer do what I tell it to. Also the reason I only use Windows for games.

  4. Good on 'em. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Welcome back, old friend. I'm glad they've changed their stance. Not happy it ever was their stance, but I'm glad they've changed it none the less. Keep up the good work Canonical!

    1. Re: Good on 'em. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up Shuttleworth, you're drunk.

  5. Thanks to systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all thanks to systemd.

    1. Re: Thanks to systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the feature is now part of systemd (joke)

  6. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by truck_soccer · · Score: 2

    Nope, since you stopped using Ubuntu it ceased being. This happens every time you stop liking something. We all thought you were aware of your powers....

  7. Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon not paying enough?

  8. Follow the money by fishwallop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The likeliest explanation is that Amazon is no longer paying Canonical enough money for this to be default behavior.

    1. Re:Follow the money by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

      Unity 8 was announced by Mark with privacy enabled by default, several months ago. And the reason was Snowden scandal, not money.

      Unity 8 was expected to be the DE in Ubuntu 16.04, but it was delayed. But, at least, the promise to keep the privacy was not delayed.

  9. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still use it, mostly because not everyone has heard about the multitude of alternatives that were inspired by Ubuntu to become a better version of Ubuntu.

  10. hadn't thought it through in the first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously Canonical, didn't you have a meeting on this with the classic PRO vs CON list? Was it inconceivable that some would not like being tracked, even anonymously(if true) and a large portion of that population would be the geeks who you NEED? People, like geeks, who know what GNU/Linux is, why it is used and spread that far and wide and were using Ubuntu and promoting it if not developing for it. Pissing those people off and causing them to move to Debian for example was not a good idea.

    Good to see 16.04 LTS will disable this next year but you really screwed the pooch as they say on this one.

  11. Apology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, did they apologize?

  12. Anonymous "I don't think that means what you think by raydias · · Score: 1

    Most people who use Linux know that Anonymous collection of data isn't all that anonymous To quote Princess Bride "I don't think that means what you think that means"

  13. Never even noticed it did this by khelms · · Score: 1

    I avoid Unity like the plague. If they want to default to providing a "smartphone" interface on my has-a-keyboard-and-mouse, doesn't-have-a-touchscreen computer, there are plenty of alternatives like XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, etc.

    1. Re:Never even noticed it did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unity is not a smartphone interface.

    2. Re:Never even noticed it did this by Burz · · Score: 1

      Unity only incorporates a couple mobile UI elements... The rest of the changes are riffing off of OS X and I think they do a pretty good job. The ample keyboard shortcuts (which are listed when you log in) are very PC and more specifically very Mac-like (Macs were never about chaining people to pointer inputs). The menus are similarly Mac-like, not like Android or iOS at all.

      A mistake they made with Unity was cutting the user off from being able to hierarchically discover the available programs and utilities. OS X supplies this naturally in the filesystem, but the Linux paradigm had no elegant way to mesh a "start menu" with an OS X style task bar.

    3. Re:Never even noticed it did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unity only incorporates a couple mobile of UI elements

      FTFY

  14. Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually, the idea is that open source means wide spread adoption and a tiny fraction of that, like 0.01%, can be monetized. Or, another idea is to send marketing to the masses of users, which is what Canonical was doing.

    In the end, people and companies just don't want to pay for anything if they can. As a result, open source companies need to find other income streams and everybody tries to "opt-out" of that if they can.

    The best uses are are self-serving contributions, like devices drivers, CPU patches, etc. And, internal use for lowering costs, and some companies like Facebook who use it a lot can open source and share the burden. And, use as product components since no need to pay the original contributors. Just throw a bunch of open source stuff together, call it a product, and offer support for it.

    1. Re: Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also means Canonical wrote like 0.01 % of the code so it evens out in the end.

    2. Re: Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the code they [b]did[/b] write?

    3. Re:Open source a flawed business model by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      In the end, people and companies just don't want to pay for anything if they can.

      Companies will beg you to take their money if it supports something they care about. Having nobody to call when SHTF scares everyone from the bean counters to the IT trenches. This is why RedHat makes bank.

      As a result, open source companies need to find other income streams and everybody tries to "opt-out" of that if they can.

      If your new business model involves whoring out your integrity who is going to want to do business with you?

    4. Re: Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the spyware keylogger that sent everything you typed to Amazon?

    5. Re: Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I mean Unity and anything else Canonical wrote that is in Ubuntu.

    6. Re: Open source a flawed business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, spyware.

  15. New Ubuntu! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu, now with 35% less buttfuckage!

    1. Re: New Ubuntu! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hated caconicalcrap from day one. Ubuntu sadly has now been filed forever to the circle bin.

  16. Re: Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen a lot of people move to CentOS, even on the desktop. For a Java developer having OpenJDK 8 and 7 directly in the repo is wonderful. Ubuntu 14.04 still only has an old version of 7 which is a major problem for many Ubuntu based dev shops.

  17. Re:Anonymous "I don't think that means what you th by fnj · · Score: 1

    To quote Princess Bride "I don't think that means what you think that means"

    Or, if one is offended by misquotes: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

  18. Wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is it now approved by Stallman?

    1. Re:Wondering by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      No, they still have flash player in the repositories and you can opt to install it during the OS install. Also they provide some closed source drivers.
      RMS is one of my heroes, but he is too extreme on a few things.

  19. Classic lesson to be learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the product is free, you are actually the product. Look at pretty much everything that is handed to you free: there's always some kind of catch.

    1. Re: Classic lesson to be learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenBSD. The only thing I am is a beta tester at most. I'm fine with that.

    2. Re:Classic lesson to be learned by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      "The product is free"... that's pretty much Google's business model, isn't it? Nobody seems to have a problem with that. Why shouldn't Linux distros get in on the fun?

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  20. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Debian and Ubuntu are what, half of desktop Linux use?

    Ubuntu has many editions that differ by the desktop they run, out of the box. Thus no need to set up a theme, configuration etc.

    - Unity
    - KDE
    - Xfce
    - LXDE
    - Gnome 3
    - Mate

    Then there's Mint :
    - Mint Cinnamon
    - Mint Mate
    - Mint Xfce
    - Mint KDE

    Then there's lesser known stuff out there.

    I don't understand. It's like saying you don't like anchovies, so you won't eat pizza, while staring at a list of 10 anchovy-less pizzas.

  21. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    Some people have an iMac and only run the web browser on it.

    I think Unity is fine for the same limited kind of use.
    It's literally a left-side launcher for Firefox and Libre Office, and a bar for clock and wifi and shit.

  22. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are not that many alternatives, actually. Ubuntu has just the correct release cycle (imho) and most of the distro-distro-distros (such as Mate) suffer from different sets of bugs. The screen tearing bug is in most of the distros and there are no fix to it if you have nvidia hw (yes, I've tried all solutions).

  23. They just moved the functionality by PvtVoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's been integrated into systemd.

  24. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...presumably you've tried all solutions other than buying an Nvidia card that is supported by Linux.

    While I won't claim that installation and updating of said drivers is EASY, it's certainly not impossible. I'm running *buntu on multiple hosts and I only have issues with the screen tearing on unsupported cards. Replace the card with a $40 supported version and your issues will (sort of) go away.

  25. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You only have to turn off the shopping lens. No need to change the whole desktop.

  26. Re:Anonymous "I don't think that means what you th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is anonymous to the advertisers and then there is anonymous to the NSA. Different levels of anonymous so it really depends on what the definition of anonymous is.

    Are you certain this was exactly what the OP had in mind when mentioning anonymous in the post?

  27. This is a stretch but... by ytene · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... when Mark Shuttleworth formed Canonical, one of the strongest claims they made was that ubuntu would always be free. I *do* appreciate that Canonical's activation of the spyware feature was publicised and only relevent to users of the Dash in the Unity desktop, and also aware that it's a bit of a leap of faith to suggest that 12.10 and onwards were anything other than free, but the fact remained that Canonical started to take kickbacks from Amazon - payment - for data generated by ubuntu users. In other words, ubuntu users were doing stuff that resulted in Canonical getting paid. This doesn't - quite - meet up to "free"... Like the parent post to which you responded, my reaction to the announcement was to continue to run on 12.04 LTS for a bit longer than expected, then make the switch to Mint, initially [and currently] on the ubuntu-derived Mint edition, but with testing currently underway to complete a migration to LMDE 2.0. But from my perspective the key point was that my decision was to literally and completely walk away from ubuntu/Canonical. I didn't agree with the ethics of their decision and the *only* mechanism I had to voice my opinion was to drop their product like a hot potato, which I did. I had been a user of ubuntu since 5.04, Hoary Hedgehog. I got to ubuntu via Mandrake/Mandriva, which in turn I got to after getting annoyed with Red Hat. Once bitten, twice shy. Perhaps the unique perspective here is that users of Linux are, by definition, very much aware of the impacts of acts like this from Canonical. I dare say that there are many GNU/Linux users out there today [well, I'm one] who once used Windows but got so disenfranchised at the machinations and underhand practices of Microsoft that they decided to walk. In any scenario where it becomes clear that a party is acting in an underhand or dishonourable way, the single, simplest response we have in our power is to stop using any product by such an un-trusted source. ~10 years ago I gave up on Microsoft because they were blatantly not trustworthy. 4 years ago I gave up on Canonical/ubuntu for the same reason. I can't say for certain whether Mint will continue to be honourable, but if they slip, I'll move on. Eventually [I hope] enough of us will do that such that companies realise that they "can't get away with it" and will treat their users with respect. Today companies are so big that no amount of end-user action, short of "walk", will bring about a change. Even a non-profit has to be relevant.

    1. Re:This is a stretch but... by umafuckit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't get me wrong, I can see why people (especially here) don't like the data selling. I certainly uninstalled all the lens stuff even though I don't use Unity. However, I also see that there are salaries that need paying and this is one way of doing it. With a lot of web-based services, such as Facebook, if you want to opt out of the data collection you must also opt out of the service. With Ubuntu you can choose to keep the service but ditch the data collection. Seems pretty benign to me compared to all the other BS that's going on.

    2. Re:This is a stretch but... by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see a move away from the free model started across the industry. People may not balk at paying again if "every" service and product cost again. The change certainly would need to be an coordinated movement among competitors since the jumping ship from the X that now costs to the X that is still free would be a threat.

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    3. Re:This is a stretch but... by ytene · · Score: 1

      I think that's quite reasonable. I do use notionally "free" technologies - but I also donate to those projects as and where I can - i.e. I tend to use and enjoy wikipdia quite a bit, so last week I donated £50. I try and cover all the major FLOSS projects and communities that I use. Here's an interesting thing though - if I add up what I've spent on proprietary software [ I have 7 licensed copies of Win 7/64 Ultimate on various machines, 2 copies of MS Office 2013 Pro Plus, Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom and Elements, plus a raft of odd little commercial packages such as PavTube] and then compare the total cost of that spend [averaged out over the years of ownership] with what I spend on FLOSS contributions, I still struggle to keep my FLOSS spend up to what I spend on proprietary software. Not because I am in any way reluctant to make the contributions - on the contrary, I happen to think it's my duty to put my money where my mouth is - but because it's remarkable just how much I've ended up spending on commercial software. Now, I appreciate that I'm not an average user, but I wonder if a concerted move back to "non-free" might actually be too much of a culture shock? Not strictly related [sorry], I was thinking about Microsoft's switch to the "free" model for Windows 10. There's sort-of speculation that if you're a PC manufacturer like Dell or Lenovo or such, you pay under $15 a set for a Windows License. So let's say, for the sake of debate, that W10 retail value would be $20 per seat on average. For Microsoft to give that away for free, they seem to be saying that they reckon they can get equivalent value out of the average user over the lifetime ownership of the OS - basically through their spyware and monitoring of user activities... That's something I find quite disturbing - not that MS are doing this [well, OK, yes, that too] but the amount of revenue it generates. If people are willing to pay that much for *activity data*, precisely what are they getting in return? Just to finish with a thought on your paid-for model. How about "freemium"? [OK, isn't that what Canonical tried?] How about products where you get a core set of functional services but pay a little bit more for higher performance or extra functionality? Do you think that would be economically viable? Also, if we did move away from this "free to use" model in which our activities were recorded, harvested and sold... If we started to pay companies for software again, do you think they would be honest enough to remove the spyware and keep it permanently out? Or is this a drug that's too addictive for them?

    4. Re:This is a stretch but... by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 2

      I think it's even more silly when the facts are taken into account.
      Canonical wasn't selling data, they gained no income by collecting search information. They WERE given a small commission from sales if the user accessed the Amazon website by clicking on an item in the Dash, and even then ONLY if the user proceeded to buy that product. At this point, Amazon already KNOWS you're on their site, they can directly collect data on that person. They no longer need Canonicals' data.
      Plus, using the files or applications lens was available by default, if the idea of pressing a button in the privacy settings seemed too tedious.

      On top of that, every query that went to a remote web server was sent through Canonical first. The identifying data was encrypted and every query was sent, not just complete searches. That would mean that Canonicals' server would continuously be getting bombarded with random strings of queries from random IP's that they weren't trying to track for any monetary gain. Then, every server that the query goes to afterward gets hit with the same jamble of letters, all from Canonical. If Amazon could make sense of that mess and track down which person was looking for which item then I would applaud them.
      Canonical didn't care what product or item the user clicked on, either. They only cared about which scope they used, which was used to make their search algorithm more accurate. Manual client-side adjustments to what scopes are available are possible as well. They are trying to supply a service, and whether or not the user enjoyed it, trying to call it "spyware" seems pretty asinine. I didn't fully enjoy the Dash for other reasons, but this debacle was blown out of proportions.

    5. Re: This is a stretch but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is making more than the $20 per seat lost in licensing by directly selling information gleaned from selling your browsing/banking/habits to interested parties. As an additional bonus, they can freely steal source code from interesting projects they find while rummaging everyones hard drives. All the while hiding behind the EULA that everyone agreed to when the started using the new "free" shiny Winblows.

    6. Re:This is a stretch but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On top of that, every query that went to a remote web server was sent through Canonical first.

      Sure. Fat lot of good that does when the response back from Canonical is a list of resources on Amazon servers. It's trivial for Amazon to work out the proxied request for donkey porn came from the guy they are serving donkey porn images to.

    7. Re:This is a stretch but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raise WallOfTextError

    8. Re:This is a stretch but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ideas intrigue me.

  28. This is too little, too late. by Turmoyl · · Score: 1

    My company already migrated the workstations from Ubuntu to a different distro back when Canonical did this. Between their absolutely horrible initial Pulse implementation, the absolutely craptastic Unity interface being rammed down our throats, and then the totally sneaky way they brought in the Dash searches, we had had enough.

    1. Re:This is too little, too late. by nnull · · Score: 1

      I had the same feelings, but it's still not a bad distribution and I still recommend people to install it, either Xubuntu or Kubuntu. That installer is a breeze for anyone.

    2. Re: This is too little, too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sneaky way? It was publicly disclosed, never ever a secret and you could disable it in the settings.

    3. Re:This is too little, too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be doing your users a disservice. I recommended Ubuntu for years, but found it was really fragile in inexperienced hands. For some reason newbies can never upgrade it themselves without hosing their system. Started recommending Debian and have never had a problem. All major distros are at about par when it comes to installers these days, Ubuntu isn't unique or special with a one-click wizard.

  29. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by nnull · · Score: 2

    What alternative distributions have the "Just freaking works" on my hardware without having to spend all day trying to figure out why it's not working?

    I'm an Arch user, but Ubuntu just seems to have things right most of the time, with release cycles, security updates, development. So they make a few mistakes, but they're willing to correct them and move on.

  30. Re:About time by nnull · · Score: 1

    Yay spoilers, now I don't have to go see the movie.

  31. pubic searches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. now where did I hide my favourite picture called bustytrollopbentonfascinatingangle.jpg?

    Oh...not on google..oops!

  32. Editors? Are you there? by danomac · · Score: 1

    Finally after years, Canonical is reacting to the negative feedback and respecting users' privacy, so that Ubuntu 16.04 (the next Long Term Support release) won't send local searches over the web by default.

    My brain actually froze when I reached the quoted sentence above. After years what now? I normally don't respond to editing but this was a pretty bad one.

    Maybe

    Finally, after years of negative feedback, Canonical will start respecting users' privacy by making sure that Ubuntu 16.04 (the next Long Term Support release) won't send local searches over the web by default.

    That's probably not perfect either but it's a hell of a lot easier to read.

    1. Re:Editors? Are you there? by 4partee · · Score: 1

      Grammar nicely done! Now, here is the embedded message. After years of tightening the thumbscrews until blood shoots out of user's ears, nose and eyes, they loosen the screws a little.

  33. Re:Is Ubuntu still a thing? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    Fedora? Although it has most of the same problems as Ubuntu (systemd, unity, etc...) so that's maybe not a huge win.

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    I read the internet for the articles.
  34. HMMMMMMM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not at all a coincidence that the NSA just shut down a dragnet program...

    UbuNSA.

  35. Re: Also in the news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off racist.