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Sony Creating Sulfur-Based Batteries With 40% More Capacity Than Li-Ion (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Since the original iPhone was released in 2007, we have seen some incredible advances in smartphone processing power along with a wealth of feature improvements like faster Wi-Fi and cellular speeds and larger, higher resolution displays. However, battery technology, for the most part, hasn't kept up. There are a few major battery suppliers but Sony is currently an underdog, commanding just 8 percent of the market for compact lithium-ion batteries. Its three largest competitors — Samsung (SDI), Panasonic and LG Chem — each command around 20 percent of the market. In an effort to change that, Sony is developing a new type of battery chemistry that can boost runtimes by 40 percent compared to lithium-ion batteries of the same volume. Sony's batteries use a sulfur compound instead of lithium compounds for the positive electrodes, reportedly allowing for much great energy density. Sulfur batteries can also supposedly be made 30 percent smaller than traditional lithium-ion cells while maintaining the same run times. The company is now working to ensure that the new battery chemistry is safe enough for commercial use.

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  1. where is the factory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let me know when there are factories building these batteries, until then, *yawn*

    1. Re:where is the factory? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me know when there are factories building these batteries, until then, *yawn*

      This is a site with "news for nerds". If you are not interested in reading about interesting scientific research then go elsewhere. I am just happy that it is Friday, and so far there are no SJW articles.

      Btw, the summary is muddle-headed. It compares "lithium compounds" to "sulfer compounds" when the Sony battery is actually Lithium-Sulfur, with both lithium and sulfer. Lithium-Sulfur batteries are not new, but they are not widely used because they tend to degrade and have short lifetimes. Maybe Sony figured out a solution to that.

  2. Re:"Supposedly"?! by sims+2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think phones are small enough. How about we work on making them last at least 1 day on a full charge?

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  3. Energy density is not all that matters by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Energy density is not all that matters, and even energy density is *complicated.* One can have high energy density if one looks at maximum energy per mass, or per volume, and depending on the application and how different they are one or the other can matter, which is why tables generally include both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density#Energy_densities_of_common_energy_storage_materials . But even aside from energy density one has other issues, like recharge time and lifespan. It doesn't matter if you can make a battery with very high energy density but with a very short lifespan. In general, I'm skeptical of claims of massive improvement in batteries. As with new solar systems, if every single in-lab claimed battery improvement all were genuine and implementable we'd have solves all the world's energy problems years ago.

  4. Another day, another future battery tech story by bheading · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Battery research is far more important than building smaller phones and tablets. Increased energy storage density has important implications for household and grid storage, and electric-powered transport.

    The problem is that there have been at least a dozen or so stories about new battery tech in the past 12 months. Some of them remind you of the old joke about nuclear fusion; it's always 20 years away. Enough crying wolf; wake me when I can buy one.

    1. Re:Another day, another future battery tech story by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Great idea, and as soon as you suspend all patents, every company trying to make money off of this will say "fuck it" and go do something else.

      Greed is a bitch, but it can drive innovation. The whole idea of patents is that you have to give your invention away after 17 years, so society has benefited greatly by the patent system. It isn't perfect (like stupid software patents, which aren't "things"), but you fix a system, you don't erase it and all the gains.

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    2. Re:Another day, another future battery tech story by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need a "where are they now" battery roundup story where they look at why all the promising breakthroughs never delivered.

  5. Think of the fire by RichMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Li-Ion batteries already go up in nice flames. Consider what you would get with 40% more energy and sulphur getting burned off into the air.

  6. Re:"Supposedly"?! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about we work on making them last at least 1 day on a full charge?

    I have a Galaxy 5. After a full day, it is typically still about 90% charged. I turn off Bluetooth and Wifi when I am not using them. I don't play games on my phone, and I don't use it to watch Youtube.

  7. Advances to be eaten by new hardware by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    can boost runtimes by 40 percent

    I predict, that most — if not all — of the added capacity will be eaten by new hardware and features, as happened with the rest of the computer-industry.

    By Moore's law, today's computers ought to be over 256 more powerful, than in the previous millennium (16 years ago) — and the hardware is. But the operating systems and applications ate most of it. And not only because of the new features which the users want (as well as those we do not), but also because the programmers choose wasteful technologies like programming languages, that are more convenient for them, and otherwise sacrificing speed to software portability and maintainability.

    It is quite common for people to complain, that their computer has "become slow" — they don't realize, that the machine is just as fast as when they bought it, but the software (including open-source) has become more demanding.

    For similar reasons, the phones using these new batteries will not run for 40% longer...

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  8. Re:"Supposedly"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    " it would be nice to have a phone about the size of an iPhone 4."

    WTF, are you on crack or something?

    An iPhone 4 is fucking TINY! Who in their right mind would want a miniature piddly wee phone like that after living with a lovely iPhone 6 Plus for a year?

    Seriously dude, WTF!?!?!

    People who doesn't need a large phone to compensate for their small penis?