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Forrest Mimms On Modern Air Travel With a Bag Full of Electronics

Evidently even Forrest Mimms isn't famous enough to fly without hassle when carrying a briefcase full of electronics; he writes at Make about his experiences, both before and after 2001. A relevant slice: After police were called when I was going through security at the San Antonio International Airport and after major problems going through security in Kona, Hawaii, I finally realized the obvious: Most people who don’t make things have no idea how to evaluate homemade equipment. Some are terrified by exposed wires and circuit boards, maybe because of bomb scenes in movies. So I gave up. Now my carryon bag is only half stuffed with electronics; the rest is shipped ahead via FedEx.

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  1. To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair, I'm a nerd whose been reading Slashdot since 2000, and I have no idea who Forrest Mimms is either.

    1. Re:To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Forrest Mimms is the man who wrote the book that got me started in electronics. Getting Started In Electronics. The greatest beginner electronic book EVER!(In my not so humble opinion.) He also wrote the Engineers Mini Notebooks that sold in radio shack to teach us about opamps and 555 timers and all the other things we needed to learn before ardweenies hit the world.

    2. Re:To be fair by astrojetsonjr · · Score: 4, Informative
      Co-founder of MITS, the company that built the Altair Computer, the first real hobby computer. I still have that January edition of Popular Electronics. I sort of doubt that without his actions across the year you wouldn't have your nerd card.

      Now hand in your nerd card, it's important that nerds have a basic understanding of Nerd History.

    3. Re: To be fair by darkain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you're apart of the reason why geeks and nerds are always looked down upon and constantly viewed as elitist self-centered asshats. Obligatory XKCD as reference: https://xkcd.com/1053/

    4. Re: To be fair by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hand your nerd card in at the door.

      There are many flavors of nerdism. You can be a software nerd without being a hardware nerd. I remember buying books by Forrest Mimms from Radio Shack when I was a teenager, and those books got me started in electronics. But quite a few software oriented people don't even own a soldering iron, and have no idea what to do with an oscilloscope. They are still nerds.

    5. Re: To be fair by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      Yeah, because geeks and nerds are never looked down upon by elitist self-centered asshats who play sports or do other non-nerdy things.

    6. Re: To be fair by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have found out that often by the time jocks are adults they end up being more polite than nerds. This is because the jocks had coaches that kept teaching about sportsmanship. Many nerds on the other hand had no mature mentors and so they think that teabagging your opponent is the height of wit.

    7. Re:To be fair by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair, a lot of people have written a lot of books, that Slashdot readers should have read. Not remembering a name, other than the context "guy who carries lots of electronics with him", is perfectly acceptable.

      The electronics kit you're referencing is too new for some of us. My kit was from the late 1970s or early 1980s. I say that because that's when I used one of those "### in 1" electronics kits. I haven't seen mine for over 20-some years. I have no idea who the author of the accompanying book was.

      If you pretentious enough to say anyone worthy of being here should know Mr. Mims, you should also be aware that you're spelling his name wrong.

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    8. Re:To be fair by mikael · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine that would be a line from Star Trek, "My God, they're still using logic circuits made from transistors and they think they have an advanced civilization!"

      Most of industry gets by with simple logic processing using just integers or fixed point calculations. Start processing audio or video and you need a DSP chip. For heavy duty stuff like industrial computer vision, a multi-core DSP chip is available. For user interaction, a single touchscreen is enough. It's really only desktops and workstations that have the multiple window displays. Above that are the supercomputing systems with hundreds of thousands of CPU cores.

      Is that any different from the biological world? Most of the critters manage to get by without a centralized brain (viruses, bacteria, fungii), let alone vision or sound. Some critters like jellyfish just hardwire their motor control systems straight to their eye spots and move just enough to keep in the shade. Blobfish float just above the ocean floor (just high enough to avoid any scavengers) and just eat whatever falls directly in front of them. At the other end of the scale, you have dolphins with built in sonar augmenting their vision, and the "lateral line" in reptiles, fish and sharks which allows the perception of vortex motion and turbulence in water.

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  2. Who? by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Evidently even Forrest Mimms isn't famous enough to fly without hassle when carrying a briefcase full of electronics"

    Who?

    I looked him up, and have no idea how anyone who isn't really into his books would know who he is (and probably not even then). He's literally not famous at all.

    1. Re:Who? by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Forrest Mims is the most widely read electronics author in the world. His sixty books have sold over 7.5 million copies and have twice been honored for excellence by the Computer Press Association. His "Engineerâ(TM)s Notebook" series of books for RadioShack are entirely hand-lettered and hand-illustrated to re-create the look of Forrestâ(TM)s own laboratory notebooks.

      http://www.forrestmims.org/bio...

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    2. Re:Who? by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Go to bed, Millennial, or Santa won't come with your Arduino and/or RPi.

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    3. Re:Who? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      Cool story. Now why would the average TSA agent know or care? Not everyone lives in your nerd bubble.

    4. Re:Who? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3

      No offense to Forrest Mins -- I know who he is and I admire him -- but selling 7.5 million copies total of 60 titles (average of 125,000 copies per book) is hardly major bestseller status. I just checked Wikipedia's list of books which have sold over 10 MILLION copies, including authors who have multiple popular books, and there are a number of authors on there whose names I wouldn't recognize.

      Basically, if you're into hobbyist electronics or at least read some about it, you may have heard of him. But GP is right -- if you aren't within that small group (probably MUCH less than 1% of the population), you likely won't know his name or what he's known for.

  3. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes because it is for private citizens to inconvenience themselves for the sake of a useless government bureaucracy that does a great imitation of invasiveness one would normally only find under tyranny. If you don't declare your sinful lack of conformity in advance, it's your fault - you were dre^Wpacking provocatively.

  4. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

    Oh bullshit it's an inconvenience. There've been enough actual bombs that anyone not understanding because they feel themselves 'elite' is trolling for attention or just being pompous. Bag it and notify. Nothing inconvenient about it.

  5. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bombs are made with chemicals. All the electronics in the world won't blow up a toothpick. The sight of wires should alert you to... the presence of electronics.

    Which is to say -- a bag full of wires is likely harmless. Something that looks like a birthday cake could probably take down the building you're in.

  6. Mims, two (not three) m's [Re:To be fair] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forrest Mimms is the man who wrote the book that got me started in electronics.

    What a coincidence! Forrest Mims also wrote a book on electronics. Wonder if they're related?

  7. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh go wet the bed. It's nothing to do with being elite. I worked in central London through the Troubles, and flew regularly with development kit for work and homebrew stuff as a radio amateur. I know what "enough actual bombs" in a First World nation looks like (thank god I'm not living somewhere with a real war), I was twice seconds from being blown up (as were many Londonners two-three decades ago), and there was never the need for this level of government interference.

  8. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a former security officer with relevant training, the chemicals are the thing to look for more than anything else. You usually need several components to have a bomb that works and detonates when you want to, but chemicals are really the common denominator. Even if you're homebrewing on the plane, you still have to have chemicals whereas the rest of it is potentially optional

    Most airports I've flown in and out of don't give a shit about wires, but they get really uptight about batteries and unknown liquids. A wire without a battery is completely benign. You're not going to be triggering a bomb with wires that aren't hooked up to a power source. Wires don't work that way otherwise we'd have all the free electricity we wanted.

  9. Absolutely Correct by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I completely agree...because I've done exactly what you suggest! I was flying to give a public outreach talk on physics and took some demos with me which included a microwave transmitter and receiver plus other electronics. At check-in I told the person behind the counter that my checked bag contained equipment which might look a bit strange since it was for physics demos for a talk I was giving. She told me that she didn't think it would be a problem but told me I could take it direct to a scanner they had in the check-in hall itself for checked bags. I took it there, explained again, the guy scanned it and said it looked fine and off it went on the conveyor belt.

    I did the same on the flight back with the same result. No problems whatsoever and some curiosity as to what the demo was. I expect that if you explain that you have scientific equipment in your bag, why you have that equipment and that it might look a bit strange to the X-ray in advance you'll not have any problems. If you want to use actually a scientific device on the plane then the best thing to do is ask permission beforehand and not just state that you are going to use it to some random check-in person who probably has no technical background whatsoever. If this guy put even the tiniest amount of thought into getting his gear through security and getting permission to use it on a plane then I expect he would not have half the problems he claims to.

    1. Re: Absolutely Correct by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      They were afraid one device would get good pictures of them stealing the other.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  10. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by sjames · · Score: 2

    Sorry, no. Once the TSA imposed itself on everyone and claimed the purpose was safety, they accepted the responsibility for knowing what is and is not safe. If they're not up to it, they should go home.

  11. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Star Simpson case cited in TFA is a nice illustration of the tyrannical nature of these agencies. Not the fact that a TSA guy got spooked by her electronic ornament, and not even the fact that she was subsequently arrested at gunpoint in the ensuing confusion; those are just regrettable but understandable mistakes. But the fact that this whole messy incident ever made it to court illustrates that. And even when they dropped the "hoax device" charge against her, they still could not bring themselves to let her go scot free and admit their mistake in blowing this thing out of proportion, and forced her into an f-ing plea bargain on a charge of "disorderly conduct" which is something that'll stick nicely to anyone, especially when already having been arrested in chains. And to add insult to injury, they made her issue a public apology.

    I've seen the same disgusting proceedings in my own country: if an agency makes a mistake against an individual, whether it is a wrongful arrrest, an incorrectly denied zoning permit, or a bloody traffic fine: if they know they can make you back down instead of having to admit their own mistake, by making your life a living legal hell at the taxpayers' expense with zero risk or inconvenience to themselves, they will. And the sad thing is: even if these cases and the sickening behaviour of the officials driving them become publicly known, nothing ever happens to these officials or to those ultimately responsible.

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  12. Re:He caused his own inconvenience by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's kind of strange is that up until the early 1970s there wasn't *any* security for air travel. At all. Some of the shuttle flights didn't even require you to buy a ticket in advance, they sold them on the plane.

    Even after the first few hijackings, the airlines were stridently opposed to security screening, thinking it would turn off customers and make the airport experience a nightmare. They would have rather just paid the fucking ransoms and moved on.

    I can remember in the late 1970s we used to ride our bikes to MSP and walk the gates. I'm sure we must have had to have gone through metal detectors, but they clearly didn't give a shit about a couple of 13 year old boys walking to the gates.

    It's kind of hard to fathom why air security got so extreme relative to how lax it had been and how much the airlines resisted increasing it, even when their planes were pretty regularly getting hijacked.

    (For great background, read "The Skies Belong to Us" -- a great review of both skyjackings generally and the Western Flight 701 hijacking to Algeria in particular).

  13. How unfamous in Forrest Mims? by Bueller_007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfamous enough that even the submitter didn't know how to spell his name. "Mims", not "Mimms". Kinda undermines your point.

    Why is this news?

  14. Shipping luggage ahead is hardly new ... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's not the first to discover the uses of the commercial shipping companies like Fedex, etc. At least since the mid 90s, people have been doing just that. Part of it was in response to all the airport security that was being developed using poorly-paid, and thus unqualified examiners. The other part was the airlines' growing limits on "excess" baggage, plus their tendency to fly your luggage to some place remote from where they were flying you. People reported that handing it over to the package-shipping people to deliver to your destination did an end run around the airlines' lost luggage issue and the government's incompetent security theater. And the cost was often less than what the airlines would charge for the excess luggage. Others read those reports, tried it, found that it worked, and switched to the same process. And on arrival, they had just the one carry-on bag, didn't have to deal with the airlines' slow luggage-delivery schemes, and could just grab a ride to wherever they were headed, where their luggage, equipment, etc. would be waiting for them.

    The airlines should just say the hell with it, convert the bottom of the plane to a second deck of seats, and subcontract the luggage delivery with the folks who know how to do it right. Lots of the frequent-traveller crowd does it that way already.

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  15. Easy International Flights... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the last 4 years, ever since selling my software start-up, I have had incredibly easy international flights and always have a wonderful seat. Now, if I could just do something about the fuel costs and the luxury tax on my private jet.