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Human Brain Still Beats Computers At Finding Messages and Meaning Within Noise (hackaday.com)

Posted by Soulskill on from the especially-when-there-isn't-any dept.

szczys writes: One thing the human brain still does a lot better than computers is to recognize patterns within noise. That's why CAPTCHA uses distorted images to prove you're human, and random number generators are often inspected by visual representation. There is a technology that leverages this human knack for signal processing to make us part of the machine. The Hellschreiber is a communications device which has no idea whatsoever what the message actually is. It transfers a signal from one unit to the next, before being assembled into an image. A human looking at the image will see words, much like CAPTCHA. But even if the signal isn't perfect, our brains can often pick out the order within the madness, much like inspecting a PRNG for uniform distribution.

64 comments

  1. Are The Computers Better by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about at finding messages that aren't there in the noise? The human brain is excellent at doing that, so in the end the computer might win on error rate.

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    1. Re:Are The Computers Better by lhowaf · · Score: 2

      Paul is dead.

    2. Re:Are The Computers Better by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wrong. I saw lizards in photographs that Mars Rover totally missed.

    3. Re:Are The Computers Better by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I bet a computer would beat a human at finding computer coded messages in images or sounds which to a human seem like nothing more than static. Hm, this audio file seems like it contains a jpg image of a kitten, said no human ever.

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    4. Re:Are The Computers Better by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 2

      That would be because the information is hidden on a level, frequency, or timescale where our brains can not detect it.
      Not a fair comparison.

    5. Re:Are The Computers Better by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I thought the comparison was brains detecting things? It would be unfair if the senses could not detect it, unless the comparison was with camera/microphone sensitivity.

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    6. Re:Are The Computers Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, this audio file seems like it contains a jpg image of a kitten

      I think I heard that on CSI once...

    7. Re:Are The Computers Better by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What makes you think they were "missed"?

    8. Re:Are The Computers Better by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I would bet against you with a large sum. The only way a computer would know this is if it could identify what part of the pattern constitutes the encoded data and what part constitutes the background "noise". For that it would need to know what noise looks like, and what the pattern looks like.

      To extend this with an example. If you rename a JPEG without an extension you would need to find some evidence of a file being a JPEG in the first place. It won't get this from the raw data stream unless it is looking and comparing for an exact signature of a JPEG file and even them I'm sceptical if it could identify the encoding without any metadata as the computer would need to know what a picture of a kitten looks like, compared to say random noise it would get on a failed attempt to decode. By extension to the other side of the problem, even if I AM A JPEG was expressly written in the metadata that could be easily hidden within the audio file and a computer would never identify it because it would need to know what is audio and what is not.

      Computers can only look for structured patterns these patterns need to be defined by a person up front. This is how computers can look for words and get creepy meaning from the bible proving that the world will end on a day of the operator's choosing. But you can't feed it a song and have it spit back at you: There's a JPEG in here, without feeding it a known clean song to compare.

    9. Re:Are The Computers Better by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to tell me that the burned patch on my toast isn't a divinely placed image of Jesus, part of a message intended for Me Alone to help me Believe?

      Next you will tell me that the clouds aren't really full of fluffy little sheep being eaten by equally fluffy sharks.

      You brute.

      rgb

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      Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
    10. Re:Are The Computers Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think they were "missed"?

      I found David Icke's /. name!

    11. Re:Are The Computers Better by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Funny

      I AM A JPEG

      Best. Costume. Idea. Ever.

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      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
  2. It's called IMAGINATION. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Humans have creativity to interpret visual and audio input in ways a computer would fail to do. They can think "outside the box" of ways information would attempt to be transmitted and find patterns a computer would miss. This also means they are more likely to have a false-positive for the message. The easiest example of this is a person who thinks they "heard voices" in background noise from equipment or closed rooms.

    Giving a computer the ability to match this would require at least programming every imaginable pattern interpretation method in existence -- something I don't think the machine makers would be able to accomplish.

    1. Re: It's called IMAGINATION. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They? What the hell are you then?

  3. Computers aren't paranoid? by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    So what I hear you saying is that humans are better at being paranoid than computers... An interesting theory. And how do you feel about the upcoming singularity?

    1. Re:Computers aren't paranoid? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      I mean the actions of Skynet prove that machines are just about as paranoid as humans. check mate friendo.

    2. Re:Computers aren't paranoid? by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Computers are just as paranoid as people, but they don't mean anything by it.

  4. I bet computers are good at this too by PacoSuarez · · Score: 1

    I am sure you can train a neural network (either convolutional or recurrent would probably do) to read that display as well as any human. This doesn't even seem challenging.

    1. Re:I bet computers are good at this too by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That might be true but, and this is a question - I don't know, wouldn't you have to retrain it for new information such as new patterns where a human would not need training (necessarily) to be able to do the same when the patterns changed?

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  5. adaptability by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    and horseshoes. digital has two options. brain is "closest counts".

  6. Sometimes ... by PPH · · Score: 0

    ... even if there is no message.

    That's how religions got their start.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Sometimes ... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  7. our unperfectness is our leading asset? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spirit of creation undefeated since until forever... keeps our (r)evolution going? meeting the needs...

  8. Deep learning changed this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.fastcodesign.com/3042239/microsoft-software-recognizes-images-better-than-humans-do

    No longer the case. Sorry!

  9. Wha?? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    So I'm a software developer and an amateur radio operator, and I still have no idea what the point of that article was (besides the fact that Hellschreiber starts with "hell" and apparently the author found that to be terrifically funny or clever or something).

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    1. Re:Wha?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is describing a historical communications method from before the digital era. For the time, it was a dramatic improvement of radio-based communication because it utilized the error-correction provided by human visual recognition.

    2. Re:Wha?? by mikael · · Score: 1

      That's almost the opposite of the predecessor of morse code. Originally a telegram was transmitted by writing the letters out in a scan-line fashion. But most of the time, the operators could immediately recognize which letter was coming through after just a couple of scanlines, so the rest of the transmission was redundant (much like viewing text on a GUI window that is only partially visible at the bottom of the frame).

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  10. No surprise by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Computers still struggle at finding messages and especially meaning in clear, coherent sentences.

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    1. Re:No surprise by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      i no rite? dumb 'puters reely r two stoopid too under-stand our complexeted human speach.

  11. It's a Newtonian life by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    In exchange for excelling at one thing, there is a facet of that skill that impairs one's ability at something else.

    No two leaves or snowflakes are exactly the same, making one of any two better suited for some things than another.

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    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  12. Graphics "REGIONS" detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I'd wager that's part of how it does the job @ least with comparison of said regions vs. letters std. shapes one @ a time...

    * Anyone know a bit more on it?

    APK

    P.S.=> Just a guess, but this arena's NOT my 'forte' in coding... apk

    1. Re:Graphics "REGIONS" detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P.S.=> Just a guess, but this arena's NOT my 'forte' in coding... apk

      Much like everything else, then.

  13. A great way to get rid of Drug Addicts.... by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

    Perhaps someone should work with biochemists to invent a highly addictive nanotechnology based amphetamine and an alternative to cocaine that when ingested, is instantly addictive and turns the consumer into a robot and remotely controlled computer system.

    Then, provide this chemical to anyone who's known to have an addiction problem to cocaine and/or speed and has proven predictably destructive to themselves and/or society.

    From there, once their mind has been taken they can then be commanded - like a robot - to drive to the NSA's new massive data facility in Orem, Utah.

    From there, their minds can be wired together in parallel with other addicts, to create a massively parallel computer systems the likes of which this planet has never before seen and conquer your terrorists once and for all through an adaptive and predictive network with oodles of memory at their disposal..

    This can effectively clean up the streets and kill the drug supply chain's demand once and for all .

  14. Life. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    For humans the inability to do so means the difference between life and death. For machines, all a mistake means is a reboot.

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    Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
  15. ADDENDUM: It's has to be that... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See here (for those of you NOT familiar w/ it in code) provided it is a program that is (I haven't "RTFA" yet, lol).

    * Extending myself "out on a limb" here as I haven't read it but I have messed around w/ it on job before & it works pretty much like what you'd HAVE to do for detecting fill switches etc.!

    (No 'expert' here though - I didn't write Photoshop, you know?)

    APK

    P.S.=> It's got to be. I mean, bitmapped fonts are just pictures & this tech works on EXACTLY that detecting changes in color etc. or being populated etc. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-... ... apk

  16. Ok puny unidentifiable ac troll - a challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject? Well, since you're the "expert on me"?? What have you done better??? I've never seen a program from "anonymous coward" as the author.

    * :)

    (Of course, I can show my latest/greatest here -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... which is better than any little trolling SHITWEASEL like you has done... prove otherwise & see the above - sort of a "conundrum" for you now, isn't it, even IF you have!)

    Unlike you, I "id" myself here via my signature (more than you scumbag) & I'd bet your some little "ne'er-do-well" I've blown away on tech things here (probably hosts) & you're STILL a butthurt little 'sicko' over it trolling me in 'revenge'... is THAT all ya got? Yes, & it ain't much. Like you, "KING NOTHING" (Metallica) - show us:

    "WHERE's YOUR CROWN?"

    APK

    P.S.=> Dimwits like you make me laugh - & you wonder WHY I call shits like you "ne'er-do-wells"? Don't - you are, & you KNOW you are... fact! apk

    1. Re:Ok puny unidentifiable ac troll - a challenge by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Schmuck- all your spamming here has ever done is make me determined that I'll never use any of your crap-ass software.

      And if I ever saw anyone using it (or contemplating using it), I'd talk them out of it. After all, who wants to support a scumbag spammer like you?

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    2. Re:Ok puny unidentifiable ac troll - a challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk others out of it? All you do is talk. Apk shows that about you. You have nothing of your own in a good program as apk does which others here state with apk quoting them, you cant prove apk's points on hosts wrong and he's taken you apart on it too and you run. You also run, pun intended, Google ads on your site that adblock doesn't block and you think we don't see your agenda website owner? No small wonder you put down hosts. They don't do that unless a user wants them to and they easily edited to do so. Are you being paid by adblock to talk behind apk's back? It surely seems it. Now you make money off google and adblock's paid off by them so its good for you as it doesn't work anymore like it used to by default and advertisers know users mostly wont change that since they just expect it to do its job and it no longer does by default. Honestly, do you think we don't see right through your antics in that respect? Anyone with any intelligence does. You are transparent as glass.

  17. Should be obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that the brain can see patterns and so-called "meaning" where there wasn't any to begin with (seeing faces on inanimate objects such as the moon, for example), I'm hardly surprised we coincidentally happen to also be pretty good at spotting messages that actually *ARE* there within noise as well.

    Of course, human unreliability to correctly distinguish between pareidolia and genuine insight without further information makes the so-called ability rather moot.

    As an aside, why has slashdot been recently incapable of remembering me? No matter how many times I log in properly and it appears to know who I am, when I try and post it says I'm an AC.

  18. Computers will never understand language. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they don't bleed, get horny, or fear death.

  19. Visual acuity is a continuum not a constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone has 20/20 or better vision yet most people are pretty good at spotting danger. Like it or not that lump of grey mass between your ears usually does a pretty fine job of getting you through the day without being maimed, mauled or murdered.It takes several orders of magnitude in processing power deal with variable aberrations or Gaussian noise in an image processing system that wouldn't cause most humans to do more than squint.

  20. Your claim requires proof. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see proof that current neural networks are worse than humans at decoding noisy hellschreiber messages, because CAPTCHAs have moved away from those sorts of distortions.

  21. No surprise by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    That's pretty much all our brains do- trying to find patterns in an overwhelming deluge of sensory information, hoping to find something meaningful that it can use in some way. Seriously, that's what our brains spend most of their time doing, day in and day out.

    We're highly-tuned to find some patterns and not other. And we're also prone to "finding" patterns where there actually aren't any, like "seeing" faces in almost everything we look at (like in building facades, patterns in tree bark, seeing the Virgin Mary in rust stains, etc etc etc).

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  22. Computers get paid less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How bout it?

  23. A$1M0V by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this story basically describe why captcha is still effective?

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    1. Re:A$1M0V by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      And ignores the fact that Hellschreiber was invented in the late 1920's. We're reinventing 90 year old technology. Oh, wait, "facsimile ... on a computer!". Got it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  24. It all makes sense now... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

    "Human Brain Still Beats Computers At Finding Messages and Meaning Within Noise?" That must explain why I keep tuning in here at /., whereas my Bot's favorite place to waste time is Ashley Madison...

  25. Eh? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    The Hellschreiber is a communications device which has no idea whatsoever what the message actually is.

    So just like a telephone, or a fax machine, or a TV...

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    1. Re:Eh? by bromoseltzer · · Score: 1

      Hellschreiber *is* a type of fax service -- stripped down for use with simple equipment and a noisy communication channel. It has been around for a very long time. Why are we suddenly rediscovering it?

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      Fiat Lux.
    2. Re:Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because someone has lately been scraping www.hackaday.com for slashdot posts and Hackaday does occasional postings of old tech where the tech is known well enough to be informative.

  26. pareidolia by aepervius · · Score: 2

    We human excel at finding specific shapes, like a human shape or face. Change the shape , like to number and letter , and we are far less good as show the problem people also have with captcha. Get a random shape, and computer will *excel* way over human to decide where it should go. So I would argue that our "finding shape out of random noise" is actually much more specialized than surmised.

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  27. Hey /. stop logging me out :( by Chuffpole · · Score: 2

    It's no good giving me mod points every couple of days hoping I'll moderate, if you keep logging me out all the time!

    I'm logged in on the home page, but when I open stories in separate tabs most of them are logged out. Developers.Slashdot is one of the few that still seems OK.

    When you're done messing about with breaking things on older Firefoxes (yes I'm on v3 on Mint 7 but no reason to upgrade when it mostly still works), please fix this. Thanks. Happy 2016.

  28. Re:Hey /. stop logging me out :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is also happening to me with Netscape :/

  29. Other /.'ers disagree (you're outnumbered) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & the quotes from them vs. your troll b.s. (that's the best you've got? R O T F L M A O @ U SCHMUCK:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa (366380) on Saturday May 16, 2015 @11:40AM (#49705641)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015 @10:27PM (#50999097)

    "APK isn't wrong" - by cfalcon (779563) on Sunday October 04, 2015 @05:11PM (#50657891)

    APK

    P.S.=> Especially this one in regard to your 'spam' statement SCHMUCK:

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    ... apk

  30. sorry 'bout the OT, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it would appear that /. has completely borked the "post reply" system. I hit submit and they log me out, suggest i post as AC, and don't give me a button to do so.

    Guess /. is worse off than this article suggests.
    signed, cellocgw

  31. I asked you a question King Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's your crown? Like I knew was true of you, it's not. Troll in effete retaliation all you like: you're a "ne'er-do-well" & you know it.

    * :)

    (Big talking "ne'er-do-well" - Say what you will about me but you can't back it up or prove it, so it's just troll windbag BLOWHARD hot-air, nothing more... however, by way of comparison? It was EASY for me to prove the above about YOU, "ne'er-do-well"... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Poo lil' "ne'er-do-well" - you forgot to submit by ac this time vs. trolling me by ac posts - hahahahaha, guess the truth of YOU got you shaking in IMPOTENT "RAGE" & you f'd up.. apk

  32. Not infallible by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    People also see bigotry where none exists. People are easily fooled.

  33. Re:Hey /. stop logging me out :( by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    This has been happening to me all week.

    I am using IE 11 (at work).

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    My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
  34. Time to "come clean" JustAnotherWebmaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Admit the truth you're a webmaster losing ad views to people who use hosts files JustAnotherOldGuy. Proof's here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  35. Chickenshit pisspot dried out old raisin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on BITCH - reply! See subject: Why are you running from proving me wrong about my work constantly, saying things behind my back too?

    You are since you're a FUCKING WORM punk... that's right.

    See subject pussy (big man w/ a GUN, lol - punk - 1st of all, you act like YOU are the only one with one... I'd bet if someone like me who has one too showed up in front of you, you'd cry pussy... & minus it?

    YOU'RE A FUCKING WORM - I do KNOW your kind in this life you dried out ancient impotent PRUNE... 40 yrs. with a gun shows you're a PUNK bitch - nothing more, & you couldn't HANDLE YOURSELF minus one!

    LMAO - I see your 1st wife dropped your sorry ass & you're still projecting she did bitching about her all the time, bitter & putting down others (your history shows it, yea, I took a look you withered worn out viagra addict FUCK)

    What's the matter - TRUTH HURT?

    That's right... I know you BETTER than you know yourself & this isn't a case of "it takes one to know one", I read your entire post history shitbrain.

    You're a LOSER, big talker who CLAIMS to work for Microsoft & then suddenly now puts them down??

    R O T F L M A O!

    SHITHEAD, it's obvious you were JUST A CONTRACTOR (that's like working tech support for their products saying you work for MS, lol) and COULDN'T CUT IT & GOT AXED, lol!

    All this TALK (mere talk) of "coding" on your part, but I don't see it...

    NOW, what I SAW was webchump BULLSHIT (any asswipe can do that, yes I know that, I've been professionally coding since 1994 & coding since 1982)... you worthless miserable SWINE.

    LOL - Along with being an "Experts Exchange" or StackOverflow PLAGIARIZER AT MOST/BEST - it's why you don't put out anything in code - YOU CAN'T DO IT YOURSELF bitch!

    Don't like that?

    You're the "rich man" (bullshit - you're a SEATTLE DRUGGIE motherfucker) bragging to boost your WEAK ego and welfare ASS!

    Come on badass - fly over here then, I will knock you the FUCK out pussy.

    Want to LIBEL me you worn out old fuck http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    Come do it to MY FACE you cowardly old douchebag... I'll END your sorry ass.

    APK

    P.S.=> You run websites. You run ads on them. No small wonder you bitch about my program... it's not SOLD OUT TO ADVERTISERS like your "almost adblocker" AlmostALLAdsBlocked & you run GOOGLE Ads too?? LMAO - no wonder "you don't mind if folks block ads" on your sites... it doesn't block those you deceitful OLD PIG... who the FUCK do you THINK you're fooling you chickenshit weasel? You talk a "big game" but you show you have NOTHING & are NOTHING, King Nothing... apk

  36. Look everyone: It's KING NOTHING (w/ a gun!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "Big man" talker seattle druggie worn out viagra addict old pussy & this you sorry miserable big talking do nothing liar http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO @ U MOTHERFUCKER... what you gonna DO about it asshole? Fucking nothing because YOU ARE FUCKING NOTHING... & you produce NOTHING I can see since it's NOT there (but you SURE LIKE SHITTING ON OTHERS adblock douche - you run websites that run GOOGLE ADS so of COURSE you hate hosts - adblock doesn't block GOOGLE ADS - who the FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING DIMWIT? Hosts do though... hence your bullshit you stupid cocksucker!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Come on BIG MAN with a gun, lol... wife dropped your ass TOO I see you scummy talking behind my back bastard - I'm talking RIGHT @ YOU you fucking punk - what you gonna DO about it asshole? RUN?? Minus your GUN you supposedly have (lol, but no code I can see) you are TRULY NOTHING... quoting Metallica? "Absolutely NOTHING" - King Nothing... apk

  37. Hey pussy - I'm doing what YOU do to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You like? I'm talking about YOU now, like you do me behind my back, only I tell the TRUTH of you asshole http://it.slashdot.org/comment... publicly shaming you, lol!

    * Want some MORE bitch? I can keep it up forever - God KNOWS you do it to me but when I can your ass when you can't prove my points wrong AlmostALLAdsBlocked 'fan' (with a reason, Mr. webmaster that runs GOOGLE ADS on his sites which adblock does NOT block so "you don't mind if folks run it on YOUR sites"?)??

    YOU ALWAYS FUCKING RUN FROM IT since it's not doable to prove me wrong on what I say you ignorant TROLLING fucking miserable LOSER! ... I'll get this entire SITE laughing their asses off on you, bank on it.

    You're shit.

    APK

    P.S.=> BIG talking 'rich man' (yea, right - fly over here then and settle it with me face to face pussy, we'll SEE "what's what" you fucking PUNK) with his GUN (pussy) whose wife dumped his ass and your bitching about her PROJECTS IT LOSER, lol... what you gonna do? TRUTH HURT MOTHERFUCKER?? Oh, I bet it does... can't wait to see your replies pussy - I am going to tear you a new one jerk, adblock fan (which doesn't block GOOGLE ADS YOU RUN so you don't mind it on your site now do you YOU STUPID DECEITFUL LITTLE WORN OUT OLD FUCK! You're too STUPID TO LIVE if you think I didn't spot THAT you fucking weasel bitch)... apk

  38. Here's better proof backing what I said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a webmaster, running GOOGLE ads on his site.Adblock doesn't block Google as they pay them not to by default so he profits http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Yes I have proof from someone who champions ads and is a known "technologist" who even says most folks won't undo the crippled by default settings in adblock

    So obviously he profits and tries deceiving us here WHY he "likes adblock" and fears (yes, fears for his money) hosts continually trolling me as he does here OR mostly behind my back where I am not present (which my going thru his post history showed me).

    No questions asked.

    So, I am sick of his talking behind my back or trolling me (and when I looked in his post history there's more behind my back than to my face, and when it's to my face? He runs, or can't back his bullshit proving me wrong on hosts - ESPECIALLY vs. AlmostALLAdsBlocked)...

    That old scumbag BIG MAN WITH A GUN trash named "JustSomeOldGuy" who has nothing to show for himself but a LOAD of big talk how 'rich' he is (not, I severely doubt it) and how much of a coder he is (yet no programs of his own he can show and he 'programs' websites which I've seen children do, lol) and how bad his wife is (projecting she dumped his sorry sick troll ass I suspect) cutting down others (see his post history, he projects his own misery and wants others to be like he)?

    APK

    P.S.=> Can't wait till he replies, get ready to laugh your asses off at him... this is payback, this is punishment for his bitch ways directed MY way (while he HIDES behind his "phantasyland" fake name like the punk he is - fake and a total coward (which is what I think anyone who does fake names online IS one, no integrity like Mark Zuckerberg even said on that type & this site's LOADED with them)

    Man, they're SO stupid too - their 'histories' ARE their undoing, slaves to javascript & cookies so they're not only trackable for me to retroll & KNOW them (know thyself, KNOW thy enemy & that scum IS my enemy AND YOURS TOO).

    APK