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Brazil Cautions Women To Avoid Pregnancy Over Zika Virus Outbreak (discovermagazine.com)

Posted by Soulskill on from the earth-is-trying-to-kill-us-again dept.

iONiUM writes: According to an article at Discover, "Authorities in Brazil have recently issued an unusual and unprecedented announcement to women: don't get pregnant, at least not just yet. Amidst an intractable outbreak of the mosquito-borne Zika virus, public health authorities in Brazil are highly suspicious of an unusual surge of cases of microcephaly among newborn children." There were over 3,000 cases in 2015.

It's believed this virus is linked to shrinking newborns brain, and it is spreading. "Zika virus is transmitted by mosquitoes, and it was first detected in Uganda in the 1940s. After spreading through Africa and parts of Asia, it has made its way to Latin America. There is no known vaccine to prevent or medicine to treat the disease caused by the virus. Since May 2015, the Brazilian government estimates that some 1.5 million people have been infected with the virus." The CDC has published an article about it, and travel warnings are now being issued for pregnant women.

102 comments

  1. And the zombie apocalypse begins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eu preciso de cérebros

    1. Re:And the zombie apocalypse begins! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Hmm...I haven't ever known about a virus, but over my many years, my mantra to girlfriends and hookups has ALWAYS been: "Don't get pregnant....!!

      :)

      I'm guessing most guys for most of their lives have been also recommending this to their women...hehehe

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    2. Re:And the zombie apocalypse begins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reverse the polarity and you got people with big brain with which they can solve the "climate change and geopolitical conflict, all
      without the existential risks posed by true AI and the technological
      singularity."

    3. Re:And the zombie apocalypse begins! by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Amidst an intractable outbreak of the mosquito-borne Zika virus, public health authorities in Brazil are highly suspicious of an unusual surge of cases of microcephaly among newborn children

      I've always suspected stupidity was a communicable disease. As a precaution, I recommend that all politicians be tested for Zika virus (if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear).

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  2. Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Informative

    That they rolled out to combat Dengue Fever. http://www.iflscience.com/heal...

    Wonder if that has just been ineffective against illnesses with a Mosquito vector or just not this particular virus.

    1. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not warm enough for this bug to live in the US. So at least we don't have to worry about that.

    2. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should maybe ask the Texans and Floridians. They may have a different point of view. Southern Brazil is cooler than those said US states.

    3. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs to use CRISPR to genetically-engineer a female mosquito that does not drink blood (sticks to the plant nectar that the already also drink), and is preferable as a mate (Based on whatever indicators male mosquitos key on). Release that into the wild.

      Problem solved (albeit with a slow rollout), and the ecology is relatively unimpacted.

    4. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the ecology is relatively unimpacted.

      How do we know? Has the environmental effect of mosquitoes' bloodsucking been studied?

    5. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Volanin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm from Brazil. The same mosquito (Aedis Aegypti) is responsible for three diseases. Originally it was just Dengue Fever that was the problem, but recently there's been an outbreak of Chikungunya and Zika as well. These diseases have similar symptoms, but the latest one, Zika, is being deemed responsible for a huge increase of Microcephaly in newborns lately that is all over the news. There is indeed an aggressive mosquito control front and Government initiatives to inform the population, but keep in mind that it's Summer here in the Southern Hemisphere, and the higher temperatures are causing these mosquitoes to reproduce like a plague, making it much harder to solve the problem.

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    6. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by avandesande · · Score: 2

      I don't think microcephaly will have much impact there....

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    7. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Diakoneo · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the response Volanin!

      How does your country feel about DDT? I have mixed feelings on using it. I understand it's been instrumental in curbing malaria in many parts of the world, but there are environmental consequences to using it.

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    8. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My fellow contryperson, you forgot to mention the Guillain–Barré syndrome, a immune reaction to the Zika virus, which is a hell of a nasty disease that affects adults. It is painful, demands a long treatment and the cure is uncertain. That's what scares the hell outta me.

    9. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      You should maybe ask the Texans and Floridians. They may have a different point of view. Southern Brazil is cooler than those said US states.

      Southern Brazil (like Rio Grande do Sul) actually gets snow in July! Even parts of Sao Paulo state get down to the 30s and 20s.

    10. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been studied enough that we know that whatever happens, it won't be worse than malaria and dengue fever. I've never heard anyone seriously argue that it would be.

    11. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to use CRISPR to genetically-engineer a female mosquito that does not drink blood

      Plant nectar does not provide as much protein for egg laying. If there was no evolutionary advantage to blood sucking, it would not have evolved. So a no-blood-sucking gene would likely be out-competed in the wild.

      A more fruitful approach may be to use CRISPR (or some other technique) to create Aedes mosquitoes that do not host the zika virus. The virus provides no known benefit to the mosquito, and other types of mosquitoes do not transmit the virus. So that should not be too difficult, and the modified genome should not be eliminated by natural selection.

    12. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as far as I know, this method is still being tested in a isolated towns in the state of Bahia ( http://www.moscamed.org.br/2012/projeto-aedes/1/1 ; http://www.fiocruz.br/rededengue/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=154&sid=3 ). They haven't released these mosquitoes widely yet. So, obviously, unimplemented methods are ineffective.

    13. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP

    14. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      You're right about competition, but in combination with aggressive attacks on blood suckers, you could aid the non-bloodsuckers in filling in the niche. Much the same way that they try and kill bad gut flora and replace it with good (or harmless) gut flora to fill the niche where the bad gut flora would otherwise crowd out the good flora due to being established.

      You don't want to end mosquitoes or something like them, because they're a big prey species up the food chain, but their particular blood sucking traits are very bad news for the spread of disease. If we could support the good breeds in crowding out the pest breeds, it would help the good breeds effectively compete, despite their natural disadvantage.

    15. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to start spraying DDT again.
      Sure, it destroys the ecosystem, but nothing else comes close to the effectiveness against mosquitos.

    16. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I see two problems:
      1) How do you selectively target only blood-sucking mosquitos?
      2) How likely is it that you could realistically introduce a serious competitor that doesn't unleash potentially horrible unintended ecological consequences? After all mosquitos are hardly the only nectar-feeders around.

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    17. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, in many parts of the world mosquitoes have adapted to be relatively immune to DDT. I don't know that this is true of Brazil, but I wouldn't be surprised. (Of course, often the adaptation is to smell the stuff and find it so distasteful they go somewhere else, but that's been a fairly effective strategy.)

      IIUC, the only way of using DDT that's still really effective (outside of bed nets) is to spread it over stagnant pools of water. But if you have lots of slowly flowing streams that doesn't work. Considering that the RainForest is in Brazil, I don't think it would be effective.

      And yes, DDT is tremendously ecologically destructive, but people don't tend to worry about things like that when faced with multiple repulsively dangerous diseases.

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    18. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kerosene poured into swamps works well too.

    19. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Vegetable oil works very well for small to medium bodies of water it only takes a little bit. It's what we use in Canada for mosquito control along with Bti(Bacillus thuringiensis israeliensis) and Methoprene, we also use pesticide foggers for adulticide when the weather is very humid in the summer. Most of Canada has large flowing bodies of water as well, so usually before any program comes into use there's 3-8 years of ecological impact studies to determine what other problems may crop up because of it.

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    20. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The virus takes up space in the digestive system of the affected mosquito and as it does not aid the mosquito, it must logically hamper the mosquito, an identical mosquito that resist the infection will have a minor advantage. Also the genome resistance should also be dominant, so it a pairing between a resistant and non resistanct variant the resistance would be passed on.

      Also in a plus for conspiracy theorists the development of the spread of the infection and it's sporadic localised spread. It would be interesting to find out whether it is the original virus in all instances or whether changes in it's makeup and affect have changed over time. Did it always result in microcephaly and brain damage in the unborn children or is that just a recent development of the current variant.

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    21. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      We don't even know that it is causing microcephaly now. There is absolutely no causal evidence linking the condition to the virus. What we have is a virus outbreak and a sudden, surprisingly high, incidence of a rare condition. That's correlation, not causation.

      Now since we have no actual explanation for the high incidence, the Brazilian government felt it best to advise people to avoid getting pregnant until after mosquito season but that's a purely speculative preventative measure - they were very honest about there being no actual medical proof that the virus causes the condition. In fact, we don't even have evidence that it can cross the placenta (only a small number of diseases can).

      The disease is fairly harmless to children and adults so it wasn't given much priority before. Now if, indeed, it is a risk for pregnancy then further testing will bear that out. There are many potential causes of birth defects - and clusters like this could *even* be entirely coincidental. We don't like to think that way but not all clusters of rare events share an unusual cause - random events sometimes form clusters of distribution - if they didn't they wouldn't be random.
      The odds of the lottery numbers next saturday being 1 1 1 1 1 1 is exactly the same as any other combination of numbers - but I bet if it happened there would be no jackpot winner because we all instinctively think that clusters like that should be unlikely.

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    22. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Actually I'd think you'd want such a gene to be recessive, so that only "pureblood" resistant mosquitos would have the advantage and would eventually outcompete the others. Otherwise the population would end up being mostly halfbreeds who are themselves resistant, but about 25% of their offspring be carriers (assuming simple two-gene inheretence). If one in four mosquitos is still a vector then you haven't really solved the problem.

      Of course eiter way, that depends on resistance offering enough of an advantage to overwhelm other factors, which seems unlikely. After all the virus is only going to be a tiny percentage of the total volume of the stomach contents.

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    23. Re: Brazil has aggressive Mosquito control by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Simply not fast enough, you need an accelerated process otherwise you are claiming, meh so what if million brain damaged children occur in the interim. So the faster the better and you need to do many things at once. Population control around high human populations with concentrated releases just outside that zone. Searching for a cure. Evaluating methods of mitigating symptoms. So you do everything you can at the same time because the risks are so high. You simply can not wait for a few hundred thousands generations to occur.

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  3. Re:Cow Guy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    He's been depressed since the SpaceX first stage soft landing.

  4. Re:Cow Guy by Coisiche · · Score: 1

    Really? You can infer mood and state of mind from:

    Moooooooooooooooo! You are all [insert word that appears in summary or is tenuously related] cows! Moooooooooooooooooooooo!

  5. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because life goes on.

  6. It's just nature's way... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 0

    After all, having fucked up the world quite a lot with our vaunted "intelligence", it's no wonder nature wants to find a way to stop it. I figure microcephaly is a pretty good way of shrinking intelligence.

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    1. Re:It's just nature's way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shrinking intelligence? Aw.. we don't need more hairdressers or telephone sanitizers..

    2. Re:It's just nature's way... by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      Nature doesn't have feelings. Doesn't care about you, me, or anything. Doesn't care if the planet is destroyed or we are. Nature doesn't have any thoughts on any subject at all. No more than mathematics or physics or chemistry has thoughts, feelings, motivations, or desires.

      Please stop anthropomorphizing.

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    3. Re:It's just nature's way... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Please stop anthropomorphizing.

      They hate it when you do that.

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    4. Re:It's just nature's way... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Seems to me you're making a pretty big assumption yourself. Consider: from a sufficiently "zoomed in" perspective your brain is nothing more than a large clonal colony of specialized single-cell organisms supported by an even larger and more varied colony in symbiosis with far, far more non-related microbes, with no evidence to be seen of this "mind" thing you claim exists.

      Similarly, simply because we see no direct evidence of a mind in the ecological superorganism does not mean it doesn't exist, it may simply operate from a reference point that we cannot relate to.

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    5. Re:It's just nature's way... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Seems to me you're making a pretty big assumption yourself. Consider: from a sufficiently "zoomed in" perspective your brain is nothing more than a large clonal colony of specialized single-cell organisms supported by an even larger and more varied colony in symbiosis with far, far more non-related microbes, with no evidence to be seen of this "mind" thing you claim exists.

      Similarly, simply because we see no direct evidence of a mind in the ecological superorganism does not mean it doesn't exist, it may simply operate from a reference point that we cannot relate to.

      Gaia's getting pissed off with AGW and has decided to post on slashdot.

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  7. Re:Cow Guy by juanfgs · · Score: 1

    You forgot the "X is for Cows" part

  8. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    Brazil is already sub replacement rate. It's population will dwindle. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    Life is unfair. You can basically say most of what you were trolling about about most places in the world. You can do pretty much two things: give up and nobody have kids, or you can try to be a part of the solution. Evidently your reaction to most problems would be "just give up"

  9. wow how sad :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I agree this is a sad state of affairs..
    How is this news for nerds?:
    DHI missing the point again..

  10. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dear ignorant Coward.

    Brazil is also known [by whom looks at it closely] for its beautiful mid-sized cities [where favelas are virtually unknown], where you live better than in US. Its wonderful beaches, and its growing middle class, that makes up more than 50% of the population. It is also known as middle income country that's getting rid of poverty faster than any other nation. Also, we are the ones researching the cure for the exact same diseases TFA mentions. We will win in the end, and if you think this is China's century, you'd better think again.

    Now you can get you desperately ignorant words written down to a piece of paper and shove it up your ass.

    Yeah, Brazilian here.

  11. We can't, the Pope won't let us use birth control! by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    The populace responded.

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  12. Re:Cow Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I *am* X, you insensitive clod.

  13. wow I thought this was Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey some one should tell DHI that the Science and nature publication has hijacked this website..

    Not like they really care any way, look at the content of this post, and it seems pretty clear that they dont..

    So sad,, :(

  14. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're preparing for the socialist revolution

  15. Re:We can't, the Pope won't let us use birth contr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fertlity rates [1,9] are bellow the US's [2,1]. That make us look more like a 1st world country. We NEED people.

    Yeah, Brazilian here.

  16. Re:Cow Guy by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Why do you think there's only one person posting the flavor of the month trolls?
    Someone writes up a troll and spams it on a few "articles". Other people see it and, if they like it, do the same.

    Someone's trying to make the "all women are wookies" one the next thing, but it's not gonna catch on. (Especially since he misspelled wookiees.)

    The cow troll is great, but people got bored of it and don't post it anymore. I posted it (and variations of it) myself because I enjoyed it, but I never posted it as AC.

  17. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Brazilian here.

    HUE HUE HUE HUE

  18. also politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unusual surge of cases of microcephaly among newborn children

    USA here - we've got a surge of microcephaly among our politicians. I wonder if it could also be mosquito borne.

  19. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poor / less educated are usually the ones who reproduce the most. Not just in Brazil, this is a pretty common thing anywhere.

  20. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fellow Brazilian here. You are completely delusional.

  21. Children of Men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here we come.

  22. Re:We can't, the Pope won't let us use birth contr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that we're all virgins here, I don't see why you're worried.

  23. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that I LOL.

    I don't HUE HUE.

  24. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why the heck are the rest of the Brazilians even reproducing?!

    Most people reproduce accidentally while having recreational sex.
    Most of the subset of people who have children on purpose do it out of:
    1. Perceived duty to (carry on the family line|have a family|be fulfill and multiply)
    2. Economic incentives such as having someone to care for you in old age or cheap labor for the family (farm|business)

  25. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the retarded gun-clinging polygamous redneck. After reading your retort I will go crying to the bank to deposit my big bucks this afternoon [just after my massage in my luxurious villa]. Life is good here, redneck.

    Signed: Brazilian here.

  26. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking is fun.
    +
    Fucking is free.
    +
    Most Brazilians are Catholic (contraception baaaad!)
    +
    Abortions are illegal.

    A blue ribbon recipe for rampant over population.

  27. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Brazilian here.

    Good to know there's no bias in your post then.

  28. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not gun-clinging, polygamous, or a redneck by any stretch of the imagination. Also working towards my Ph.D., so I'm probably not retarded. I'm (like you, I assume) one of the lucky ones who actually gets to live a pretty comfortable life here in Brazil. However, having lived in an actual developed nation for a year, I can honestly say it doesn't even compare. This is a sinking ship we're in. Open your eyes.

  29. Isn't that a Catholic country? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Isn't entire South America heavily Catholic? Don't they take very strong stance against birth control? Or the Catholics being against birth control something unique to USA?

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    1. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      The Roman Catholic church is pretty clear on the topic. The Vatican's policy impacts societies in South America, Africa, North America, and Western Europe.

      Latin America is deeply committed to Catholicism, where North America (Anglo America?) has more protestants and a greater variety of Christian denominations and a long history of excluding Catholics from politics in regions (yeah, that's not so great, but I'd argue that it's reality).

      This is going to come down to Pope Francis either taking a public position that solves the immediate threat in South America. Or for politicians there to take a great career risk and loosen their adherence to the directions given by the Vatican. (you won't see abortion being legal there, but they may relax restrictions on contraception)

      That said, there are still 1.4m abortions per year in Brazil. Despite it being quite illegal there. There is a lot of "Do as I say, not as I do" in the government there, which I suppose makes them like every other government.

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    2. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of SA is indeed catholic, but that's changing fast [citation needed] and birth control methods such as condoms and pills are distributed for free by the Ministry of Health

    3. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Most of SA is indeed catholic, but that's changing fast [citation needed] and birth control methods such as condoms and pills are distributed for free by the Ministry of Health

      Tax payer funds for birth control? OMG, wait till the Republicans hear about this. They are gonna freak out. What? oh? They already know? All that noise they make is just for entertainment? OK, that figures. Does their base know?

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    4. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Roman Catholic church is pretty clear on the topic. The Vatican's policy impacts societies in South America, Africa, North America, and Western Europe.

      Latin America is deeply committed to Catholicism, where North America (Anglo America?) has more protestants and a greater variety of Christian denominations and a long history of excluding Catholics from politics in regions (yeah, that's not so great, but I'd argue that it's reality).

      This is going to come down to Pope Francis either taking a public position that solves the immediate threat in South America. Or for politicians there to take a great career risk and loosen their adherence to the directions given by the Vatican. (you won't see abortion being legal there, but they may relax restrictions on contraception)

      That said, there are still 1.4m abortions per year in Brazil. Despite it being quite illegal there. There is a lot of "Do as I say, not as I do" in the government there, which I suppose makes them like every other government.

      1) Catholicism is shrinking very fast. I'd say about half Brazilians are Catholic by now. The other half is evangelical, with some primitive african cults at the fringes. You should see us as the last bastion of christianity. The world will need us.

      2) Brazilian population is now under replacement rate. We'll need people, many people.

      3) Abortion is legal in Brazil, under certain circumstances.

    5. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      1) not shrinking among elected officials in Brazil. (based on age demographic, which is not totally accurate, but that data does seem to fit complains from the younger generation)

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    6. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Catholic church's position on birth control is irrelevant. The correlation between being Catholic and abstaining from birth control is weak compared to (1) being poor, or (2) coming from a conservative society, Catholic or non-Catholic, rich or poor.

      Anyhow, the theological positions on birth control will never change. Opposition to birth control and abortion goes back to the very beginning of Christianity (read Tertullian's works, circa 2nd century A.D.), so any orthodox Christian sect--Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, etc, which place a high value on continuity with the historic orthodox faith--is literally bound to maintain it's current theological positions. Even in non-orthodox faiths like Southern Baptists where contraception is not per se sinful, it's still certainly frowned upon, based on the same Judeo-Christian logic--an impediment to God's command to be fruitful. For more liberal sects like Methodism, it's still considered a "serious" life decision.

      At best what Pope Francis could do is to de-emphasize the subject of contraception, similar to what some have said he's done wrt to homosexuality. For example, divorce is a sin in almost all mainstream Christian sects (Jesus says unequivocally that divorce is wrong, without identifying any exigencies), it's just that only Roman Catholicism prohibits it outright, notwithstanding the so-called Pauline Privilege and Petrene Privilege. Rather, what you find is that while still considered a sin, divorce in most mainstream churches has become normalized, and mainstream theologians have pragmatically turned their back on the thorny issue--i.e. de-emphasized it.

      I have no problem with contraception. But people shouldn't fool themselves about how society and their institutions treat these issues. Wishful thinking isn't very helpful. And if you want to help enlighten people, you need to understand the context where their coming from, even if they themselves aren't aware of it.

    7. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The numbers I've seen put it closer to 1/3 vs 2/3. But converts are typically more zealous in their faith, which skews what people perceive regarding identification and participation. Plus, Evangelical faiths are very often lose with their membership requirements and catechism. It makes it easy for new members to participate, but often they don't require disavowal of pre-existing faith. A self-identifying Catholic can participate in Evangelical services all he wants, whereas non-Catholics cannot participate in many Catholic sacraments. E.g. no communion.

      Evangelical churches are insanely fractious, too, and incredibly diverse in their beliefs--they tend to pick-and-choose as there's no hierarchy of theologians enforcing doctrine. And not coincidentally, at least in the U.S., Evangelical churches have begun developing a perverse fetishism with Catholicism. I think their overall cultural conservatism, which values historic continuity over revolutionary changes, has oddly caused them to see the Catholic church in a new light. Not that they'd ever adopt the faith, but they certainly find consolation in the Catholic church--its faith, it's leadership--when it suits them.

      Remember, most Protestants movements were radical, not just in their faith but in social and culture organization. Even into the 20th century. That also made them more accommodating of other groups. Separation of church & state developed in the U.S. and elsewhere mostly because Christian sects were more concerned about other sects benefiting from state support than they desired such support for themselves, though it took awhile for the movements to proliferate and multiply before this became apparent. For along time Protestant movements were mostly inward looking. Things have changed considerably in the past 50 years.

    8. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brazilian here.
      Catholics are not as against birth control as protestants are. Quite the opposite from the US.
      Anyway, we are more famous for caring about public health than for being religious. And you can avoid getting pregnant by not having sex, that is acceptable for most religions.

    9. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no restrictions on safe methods of contraception in Brazil. Also, the Catholic vote is mostly divided in Brazil based on political ideas, there are very few "Catholic politicians", while "Protestant politicians" are more common.

    10. Re:Isn't that a Catholic country? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Catholicism is shrinking very fast. I'd say about half Brazilians are Catholic by now. The other half is evangelical

      That is not an improvement.

      Catholicism has its obvious blind spots concerning women's reproductive rights, but at least they otherwise believe in science and reason. Evangelical Christians are not much better than Scientologists.

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  30. Gene drive - Mosquito extinction, let's do it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so fucking sick of mosquitoes. Let's just wipe them out. Something that doesn't cause human death and suffering will fill their niche in the environment - and even if not, so what? Will that be worse than the sum of malaria, dengue fever, west nile virus, this stupid thing, and all those itchy bites? No, it will not be worse. Let's stop being pussies and kill those things already. With gene drives, we already have the technology. Now we just need to sack up and use it. We are a few years out from getting to celebrate the extinction of the Guinea worm, and yeah, those fuckers deserve extinction too. But not more than mosquitoes do.

  31. It's actually a national, male conspiracy. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 0

    Even if it only results in a 4% increase in blowjobs, it will have been worth it.

    1. Re:It's actually a national, male conspiracy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You cracked the code. microencephaly ==> "give me a little head"

  32. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a bit like asking why Americans are having children in the middle of a wilderness where they might get eaten by bears--based on the only picture of America you've ever seen being Yosemite.

    OK, that's a bit hyperbolic. It's more like visiting the poorest 10% of America and asking the same question--rolling down a gravel road in some rural area where scrawny dogs yelp around open fires tended by meth freaks. Why are Americans even having children? You might ask...

  33. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can also shove your shitty Ph.D up your lower middle class anus. Because I have one too, and I don't give a fuck about it. And I'm really rich [and arguably smarter than you, since I don't go around bragging about my fucking USP Ph.D], traitor asshole.

  34. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Evidently your reaction to most problems would be "just give up"

    Suicide rates are up all over the planet. Maybe we're actually past that "carrying capacity" thing we always talk about. When you overpopulate any kind of animal, they start to go wrong. The only country with unpopulated hospitable land is the USA; a small percentage of the land now controlled by the BLM is pretty nice. But it's not like they're going to start handing it out. This is not about to turn into a defense of some dipshits currently starving themselves in a federal building or anything, but the BLM is shit. The federal government is in the process of snatching more land right now, which actually is privately owned and inhabited, around Washington and Oregon. Three guesses as to how badly they will mismanage it after they finish stealing it.

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  35. Diversity Is Our Greatest Strength! by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    Diversity Über Alles!

    (an unreleased Dead Kennedy's single)

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  36. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stand corrected. Clearly your tendency to brag about being "really rich" and your hastiness to resort to name-calling are unquestionable signs of your superior intelligence. For the record, though, I never claimed to be smarter than you, I merely said I'm "probably not retarded". Cheers! :)

  37. Brazil became communist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, we have a problem.

  38. Not just Brazil by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now in Venezuela as well. We had chikunguya last year and now Zika as well. The aedes family of mosquitoes are extremely dangerous, now causing 4 common diseases (dengue and yellow fever as well)

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    1. Re:Not just Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are a person of means, Brazil is a beautiful place.

      PS. I'm not Brazilian, but I am married to one.

    2. Re:Not just Brazil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to develop some vaccines and distribute them for everybody, starting with the most exposed. But then again, improved public health and GNP that might be too Bolivarian concepts for the rich to bear in some countries of the beautiful continent.

  39. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brazil is a pile of shit, and I can't wait to never go there again. Fuck that country, I'll stick with 1st world nations.

  40. Re:Cow Guy by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, I'd date a wookiee...

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  41. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that we know for sure is that you're both Cowards.

  42. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't argue with that!

    Signed: "traitor asshole".

  43. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Plus the women are smoking hot, so I can see how it is hard to say no to them when they throw themselves at you.

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  44. Tinha que ser no Brasil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    País foda... aqui estamos morrendo... Foda, ninguém faz nada!

    Placas, Linux Embarcado, Microcontroladores, dicas, tutoriais e muito mais!

    http://www.sistemasembarcados.org

  45. Re:Cow Guy by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    Perhaps he's just moo-ved on?

  46. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see you had a bad experience there as well.
    I went there for 2 months and my stay there caused me to suffer depression.
    I don't understand how anyone can live in a place like that without killing themselves after waking up with a bunch of homeless people sleeping in front of your driveway.

  47. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best horse-cock trannies as well, by far.

  48. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention the murders. Yeah, you know all about shove shit up your ass faggot.

  49. Re:Cow Guy by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    >"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind, and won't change the subject." -- Winston Churchill

    Some would say that a definition which does not cover "A person who happily starved over a million children" isn't a very good definition. But Churchill wouldn't agree as that would mean he would have to include himself.

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  50. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    My first wife was Brazilian so I got to spend a lot of time in the country and can attest that this is just as accurate a description he left out (especially the midsize-cities, I spent a lot of time in Suzano and Fortaleza). It's a fantastic country by every measure. And I would add to what you said:

    1) FAR Better healthcare than the US (I speak as somebody who has gotten ill on occasion in both countries) - nowhere else I've been in the world did a doctor tried a common flue with such care. Instead of the usual 2 weeks - Brazil's care had me back on my feet in 3 days. The focus on preventative care is amazing and the focus on getting people healthy and back to work as soon as possible is brilliant. And even as a foreign tourist (this was before the marriage) it didn't cost me anything.

    2) Free public university (with strict entrance exams so they get the best of the best and ensure those people are educated even if they were poor), and private universities for everybody else (a good compromise I think - not as great as Denmark but better than USA). And cleverly the private universities are all night-schools so it's normal to have a job while you study and this means more people can afford to do so.

    3) Motel's... American's have no idea what they are missing when they've never gotten to take their SO's for a night in a motel where you can order vibrators and sexy-cosplay's from roomservice... ;) Of course America also has things *called* motels, but they are nothing alike.

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  51. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    You can also shove your shitty Ph.D up your lower middle class anus. Because I have one too, and I don't give a fuck about it. And I'm really rich [and arguably smarter than you, since I don't go around bragging about my fucking USP Ph.D], traitor asshole.

    Pretty good going for a thirteen year old.

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  52. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Plus the women are smoking hot, so I can see how it is hard to say no to them when they throw themselves at you.

    You're just being cruel now.

    I have a vision of a thousand nerds rushing to buy plane tickets to Rio de Janeiro.

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  53. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    That is quite the image...thank you.

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  54. Re:Why are these Brazilians even having children?! by strikethree · · Score: 1

    Now you can get you(sic) desperately ignorant words written down to a piece of paper and shove it up your ass.

    Yeah, Brazilian here.

    I am not who you are replying to but perhaps you should address this issue and the wording in the article if you wish to change people's perception of Brazil.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga...

    Kind regards,
    Dave

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