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How an IRS Agent Stole $1M From Taxpayers (onthewire.io)

Trailrunner7 writes: Few, if any, companies or government agencies store more sensitive personal information than the IRS, and consumers have virtually no insight into how that data is used and secured. But, as the results of a recent Justice Department investigation show, when you start poking around in those dark corners, you sometimes find very ugly things.

Beginning in 2008, a small group of people–including an IRS employee who worked in the Taxpayer Advocate Service section–worked a simple and effective scam that involved fake tax returns, phony refunds, dozens of pre-loaded debit cards, and a web of lies. The scheme relied upon one key ingredient for its success: access to taxpayers' personal information. And it brought the alleged perpetrators more than $1 million.

What sets this case apart is that the accused IRS employee, Nakeisha Hall, was tasked specifically with helping people who had been affected by some kind of tax-related identity theft or fraud.

169 comments

  1. Classic! by mitcheli · · Score: 1

    What sets this case apart is that the accused IRS employee, Nakeisha Hall, was tasked specifically with helping people who had been affected by some kind of tax-related identity theft or fraud.

    Awesome! So who watches the watchers?

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    1. Re:Classic! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      None needed. The Government is MUCH more trustworthy than private enterprise, you NEVER have to worry about it...

      Do I really need the /sarc?

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    2. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a government agency myself. I have access to loads of personal information. I could use it to commit many crimes. It would be very easy to prove it if I were suspected, but I honestly don't know how they would catch me in the first place.

    3. Re:Classic! by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but I honestly don't know how they would catch me in the first place.

      I'd bet the majority of criminals who get caught thought the very same thing before they got caught.

    4. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The majority of criminals don't get caught....

    5. Re:Classic! by mitcheli · · Score: 1

      Just the dumb ones?

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    6. Re:Classic! by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      A lot of times things are not noticed missing until its too late and the hassle factor of doing anything has gone up. I lived with a con artist briefly. At the end of this period I had cause to chat with his previous roomates and landlord.

      Landlord live in the same house, different unit. Landlord rents rooms, and owns a small business, cashes a lot of checks from multiple people.

      Dude had no money in his bank account. He would write bad rent checks and then when the notice of a bounced check came, he stole the notice from the mail (no locked mailboxes). The few hundred dollars for one room was small enough that they were careless and didn't notice.

      How did they catch him? He never moved out, he just left, and left behind the stack of stolen mail in his room. When he never returned, and the rent came due, it was a surprise for everyone. He had already been gone so long by the time they knew what was up, his next known address was the one I was already kicking his ass out of.

      I was pissed at what he took me for, he got them for a lot more. I told them they should at least file a report. They just told me they spoke to a lawyer and he said the guy probably had no assetts to go after and it would be all cost with no benefit. They dropped it....

      and so did the bar we all went to... a few weeks after he skipped town the owner asked if he still lived with me. Turns out he got a $3000 advance from them to update their website before he skipped town. I never heard more, but, I assume they dropped it too.

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    7. Re:Classic! by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Whoever caught Hall, obviously.

    8. Re:Classic! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      "but I honestly don't know how they would catch me in the first place."

      Lots of people think that. What usually happens in these white collar cases is that the crime goes undetected for quite some time, until something somewhere (however unrelated) triggers a red flag. Then the forensic accountants come in, walk back methodically through everything and find something that points to the original perpetrator. The only reason this one was caught so fast was most likely because the people getting scammed realized quickly that they weren't able to file returns.

      I have had access to lots of personal data, credit card details, etc. in previous jobs also. Other than being an honest person, the spectre of a forensic accountant whose sole job is to find things that don't balance out keeps most smart people honest.

      There was a story a few years back about a Verizon Wireless employee who RMA'd millions of dollars in working Cisco equipment and sold it on eBay; took years before he was caught. Apparently VZW has/had a "zero haggle, just throw it away and don't return it" advanced replacement policy with Cisco and this guy had the authority to mark the parts as repaired. There's a tempting target if I ever saw one -- he probably assumed it would go on forever once he realized the loophole he found was so huge.

    9. Re:Classic! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Coastguard?

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    10. Re:Classic! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Unless they talk and the police already had them under surveillance.

      http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/world/europe/london-hatton-garden-heist.html

    11. Re:Classic! by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just about everyone is guilty of some crime, including some very odd felonies. You're mostly not in jail because even the cops and the balance of the legal system realize what sort of bullshit most of them are and don't enforce them.

      Nevertheless, with sufficient inducement, those laws can be used on you by those who are literally minded or corrupt enough. And because they are legitimate laws, your only recourse is either unconstitutionality or pure public backlash. The second being the reason that free speech and the right to protest and even to look threatening is a necessary check on governments who are quite capable of passing masses of laws that fail to reflect fairness or reality.

    12. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Let's privatize everything since there are only ever two solutions to a problem.

    13. Re:Classic! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Awesome! So who watches the watchers?

      Horror film fans?

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356526/

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    14. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really surprising that a state agency responsible for taking your income at the threat of ruin and deadly force would have people of a moral fiber sufficiently weak to initiate "fraud"? That's what they do!

      I mean, c'mon. You had to expect this was happening. It's not like you can audit the IRS for correctness with any sort of ease. I'd not be surprised if this were commonplace, and these people simply got caught.

    15. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Justice Department. It's right there in the summary

    16. Re:Classic! by bfpierce · · Score: 2

      Yeah I mean you never hear about private enterprise swindling their customers, that's just unheard of.

    17. Re:Classic! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      So who watches the watchers?

      We dooo, We dooo

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    18. Re:Classic! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Just the dumb ones?

      These IRS scammers were certainly dumb. They made $1M over 7 years, and split it at least 3 ways. So they are going to prison for less than $50k/year each. They could have made more money, and stayed out of prison, by just getting better jobs.

    19. Re:Classic! by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      In this case, that would be the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration who answers to the Secretary of the Treasury who is a part of the President's Cabinet and thus answers to the President who answers to Congress and we pretend that Congress answers to the people.

    20. Re:Classic! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      but I honestly don't know how they would catch me in the first place.

      If you commit one crime, you might get away with it. If you start committing a lot of crimes, you'll leave little trails here and there, clues that investigators will start to pick up on. A big clue is the question: where did your money come from?

      A single crime usually isn't worth the effort, and multiple crimes becomes a organizational problem, so you might as well just do it legally and become an entrepreneur.

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    21. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Snowden watches the watchers. And the rest of us stand idly by while the watchers throw Snowden to the wolves.

    22. Re:Classic! by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution is then, to remove the human factor involved. What could possibly go wrong?

      [looks around]

      I, for one, welcome our robotic overlords.

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    23. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The difference is that government swindling occurs when there are corrupt individuals. Private enterprises intentionally swindle customers by design, AND has corrupt individuals. Ergo, private enterprise ftw!

    24. Re:Classic! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      What sets this case apart is that the accused IRS employee, Nakeisha Hall, was tasked specifically with helping people who had been affected by some kind of tax-related identity theft or fraud.

      Awesome! So who watches the watchers?

      Apparently, Congress. Feel better now?

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    25. Re:Classic! by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      I had an in-law that lived a life of crime.He did have an awareness that the police force had much more experience at catching criminals than criminals had at doing crimes. He got caught and put in prison more than once and in jail a few times as well. The man was paranoid and went to great lengths to keep secrets and keep up appearances. For example, he learned to appear to be Peurto-Rican, including flawless foreign language and slang skills. He was an Italian- American. He was scared silly about getting caught as he hated prison life. But even given all of that he still could not resist getting involved in illegal activity. I asked him why and he replied that a dollar stolen felt far better than a dollar earned. His usual crime was stealing of tractor trailers. Quickly selling the loads and then disassembling the tractors. Those big engines and transmissions are valuable and all kinds of what people call legitimate businesses love the extra money they earn by installing stolen engines etc.. Obviously, the trucks and cargoes could easily be worth more than one million dollars each. I don't know if he took 50 or 100 trucks in total. He also chopped cars which apparently he was good at stealing. I suspect that for him chopping a car was just sort of keeping his hand in. It was sort of a filler between truck thefts. He has passed on now. He did come from a bad environment and obviously hated society enough to feel justified in his actions. Oddly he was even a bit religious and often went to church. To him crime was just part of business.

    26. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Federal agents arrested Hall in Holly Springs, Mississippi. Goodman was arrested at his Birmingham residence. Coleman, formerly of Birmingham, was already in state custody in Wisconsin on unrelated charges.

      No mystery here, just a rat. Never trust a nigger.

    27. Re:Classic! by jopsen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      None needed. The Government is MUCH more trustworthy than private enterprise, you NEVER have to worry about it...

      Seriously, 1 million USD stolen by a few employees... That's not so bad. Considering the complexity of such a scam (ie. number of people involved), and the amount of money stolen I would say this is a minor case.

      Just saying there are bigger cases of fraud in both the private and public sector... So this isn't a good case for arguing government is bad.
      From the summary it seems multiple employees was involved, at which state YES fraud can happen. But the risk is small if multiple trusted employees need be involved.

    28. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, with your facts and full explanations.
       

    29. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue here is that the people stealing money were low level functionaries. Such behavior on their part will absolutely not be tolerated. Only first class citizens, such as politicians and wealthy industry leaders, are allowed to get away with theft. This is how things work in a kleptocracy.

    30. Re:Classic! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      I lived with a con artist too, but I usually referred to her as "my wife".

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    31. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call Bull Shit!

      The USA Federal Government swindles by decree...
      --decree of Congress
      --decree of the President
      --decree of the Supreme Court
      --decree of Congressional Aides (who write the Congressional decrees)
      --decree of Bureaucrats (who interpret and apply the written decrees)

      How many wars? How much bigotry? How much pure tyranny comes fro the USA Federal Government?

    32. Re:Classic! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Well "more than $1 million.", if the USG admits it was take for a million, you can be sure that is the minimum that they know about. The big bucks are probably in the Grand Cayman already.

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    33. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mostly not in jail because even the cops and the balance of the legal system don't want/need you in jail, yet.

      There, fixed it for you.

    34. Re: Classic! by oobayly · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between prison and jail. Where I'm from the two are synonymous.

    35. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in the USA, if someone is in jail, they are typically being held at the local county or city jail. If you get less then 365 days for a sentence, you'll server that time in county.

      If you get a case for more then 365 days, you go to the state or federal prison. Also, and this may just be a California thing, you will first serve 365 days in county before going to state/federal prison unless the sentence is for more then 365. Basically, if you get caught for multiple 4 month sentences, the next one will land you in prison (state/federal level) because you used up county time.

      From everyone that I've talked with, you'd rather be in prison then jail as the funding is typically better, which results in better food and general conditions. Also you are housed with other people in for lengthy sentences.

    36. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The banks stole trillions, and continue to do so.

    37. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jail is short term, typically county, mostly for holding for trial or short stints for misdemeanors (usually 6 -24 mos AIUI). Prison is state and federal typically for felonies and longer terms, typically 5+ years.

      Spent part of a night in the county jail once for a hot check charge, some a-hole had stolen my identity when I was purchasing a home. Had to make bail and go to the hot check division and write a sample check to compare and show the bad one wasn't my handwriting, then had to sign an affidavit that I did not know the person responsible, had not profited from the check in any way and would testify if they ever caught him. Never heard anything back so they either never caught the person or had enough evidence that they didn't need me. But the checks stopped. Chatted with a couple of guys who seemed nice enough over dinner and the guard was an a-hole also.

      This has been the extend of my negative interactions with the police, except for speeding tickets, and it was more than enough.

    38. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used to work with a guy who had previously worked at the plant where they vapor deposit the gold anti reflective layer on military aircraft cockpit canopies. One of the guys he worked with spent years stealing a little bit of the gold used. It came in a roll of wire and this guy would just snip a few inches off on every run. Had been doing it for years and had a big expensive house, drove caddies (back in the day when that was really something), etc... Finally someone got smart and audited the vapor dep process. Weighed the canopies before and after and assayed the foil lining the chamber and compared that to the weight of the gold that was supposed to have been used. That guy ended up a guest of the government and his family out on the street when they confiscated his house and cars and pretty much everything.

      Or so the story went.

    39. Re:Classic! by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Well, she got caught didn't she?

    40. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jail is either temporary custody before trial, or short-term incarceration for misdemeanors. Prison is at least a year, for felonies.

    41. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easier to replace a corrupt corporation than a corrupt government.

    42. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference between prison and jail. Where I'm from the two are synonymous.

      Convicts go to prison after being convicted, usually with a sentence longer than 1 year.

      Jail is for people accused of a crime but not yet convicted and usually for sentences of a year or less.

    43. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference between prison and jail. Where I'm from the two are synonymous.

      Convicts go to prison after being convicted, usually with a sentence longer than 1 year.

      Jail is for people accused of a crime but not yet convicted and usually for sentences of a year or less.

      Too fast on the submit button...

      Jail is for the accused and for convicts, usually with a sentence of 1 year or less. The one year or less depends on more things than I can list.

    44. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet the majority of criminals who get caught thought the very same thing before they got caught.

      The majority of criminals don't get caught....

      Uhh, OK, and?

      He was only referring to the ones THAT DO get caught.

      Total: 100
      Group A: 700
      Group B: 300
      Group B1: 200
      Group B2: 100

      Group B1 is still the majority of group B, despite group B not being the majority of the total.

      Subsets - what grade DO they teach kids that word these days?

    45. Re: Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the United States, the typical distinction is that prisons are run by state government, and are used to house people who have been convicted and sentenced to long terms (typically > 1 year). Jails are run by individual counties or municipalities, and they hold people who are awaiting trial and haven't made bail, or who have short sentences. The details of how this all works vary greatly from state to state. Many states that are currently dealing with overcrowded prisons are housing overflow prisoners in jails, which in turn backs up the jails.

    46. Re:Classic! by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      $1M is really just the rounding errors based on how much money flows through the IRS. She probably learned it from Richard Pryor.

    47. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, mostly. Based on the conversations I've had with various law-enforcement types the vast majority of criminals apprehended are either dumb or unlucky. Occasionally there's task-force to catch a high-profile criminal, but mostly it's the dumb and unlucky that end up behind bars.

    48. Re:Classic! by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1

      And the two big ways to get caught:

      1) You're obviously living well beyond your means. It's never a good idea for an Accounts Receivable clerk to show up for work in a Maserati, unless they have the lottery ticket stub to go with it.

      2) The scheme works so well (and it always does it at first) that you either get greedier and greedier, or start believing that you're so smart no one will ever notice your pilferage. The smart criminals are the ones who know when to quit when they're ahead.

      Fortunately for society, the same character flaws that create a white collar criminal also tend to be those that create dumb criminals.

    49. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      Awesome! So who watches the watchers?

      the Hawtch-Hawtchers from Hawtch-Hawtch

    50. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're all turned around. It was a "private enterprise" that was uncovered. By the government.

    51. Re:Classic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in Corporate America, where those are the same thing.

    52. Re:Classic! by crow_t_robot · · Score: 1

      Like these laws:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      If you are in the military you can also be in violation of the UCMJ if your wife gives you a blowjob so beware. Even the CO's in jails and prisons know that the only difference between the persons on either side of the bars is that one got caught.

    53. Re:Classic! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If they were smart enough to realize that, they could have gotten better jobs.

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    54. Re:Classic! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I worked in a military detention facility as a chaser/escort (transportation officer, really) and I've mentioned this before but I'll mention it again. When we went through the Sally Port into the secure area, just before that, was an old sign on the wall that said, "There, but by the grace of God, go I." That has always stuck with me. It's actually been something, that one little saying - as pithy as it might sound, that helped make me who I am today.

      The people who are incarcerated are not all stupid and evil. They're pretty much just like you and I. The difference is that someone didn't like them, they did something stupid and got caught, or they allowed themselves to get caught up in the stupidity of other people.

      As a general rule, staff don't actually know why they are detained (at least in a military facility). In fact, some of the records that I carried were classified and that's another story for another day. In my position, I often knew a bit about the reasons but that's because I escorted detainees to court proceedings, sometimes council sessions, and things of that nature. On occasion, I'd also be privy to more personal information because transport sometimes included medical appointments that weren't addressed in the brig facilities.

      Mostly, I drove things like a bus to pick up or drop detainees off at the flight line or at a civilian airport, brought them to-from court, and things of that nature. It's frowned on, to some extent, but I had some good conversations with some of them. It should be noted that a military detention facility is not much like a civilian facility - we have a whole different level where we actually respect the detainees. Our average detainee is quite fit, trained, and dangerous so it is essential to ensure that you treat them with respect. They're incarcerated as punishment - not to be punished. We've taken their freedom, there's nothing worse than that.

      At any rate, this is a bit rambling on but I had great conversations and I'll not delve into particulars but, for the most part, these were just normal Marines who had bad things happen. Very, very few were actually what I'd call a problem. Most exhibited remorse and you can usually tell who is legit and who is actually remorseful because they were caught.

      I had the opportunity to make extra income by working in a civilian facility while I attended school. I did tour the facility and did interact with their training department as well as get a job offer. I can not, in good consciousness, work in a such a facility. The level of respect is not there and I do not think I'd have been able to deal with being around some of the employees for long periods of time. The level of respect from the detainees is also not there but that's a whole other issue and one I'm not qualified to opine on. I would speculate that, in part, it is a chicken and egg problem. I imagine that some of the blame is at both ends as well as social/cultural norms.

      At any rate, the detention facility was replaced some time back and I've no authorization to reenter the facility. This was at Camp Lejeune and I'm given to understand that the sign was originally at a detention facility in Plymouth, NH. I have no idea if it made the move to the new facility or not. I'd like to think it did and I'd like to think that it is still significant. For such a trite, or pithy, saying - it has a lasting impact on me and is one of those things that has always stuck with me and enabled me to appreciate my circumstances even more than I think I might.

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  2. Nothing To See Here, Move Along by sycodon · · Score: 1, Troll

    The IRS steals money from taxpayers all the time through vague rules, questionable audits and outright confiscation.

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  3. Why I Am a Conservative by avandesande · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you could get us a Finland or Netherlands style government I might change my mind, but after half a life time of watching our jokers at work, no way!

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    1. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To have a government like Finland or the Netherlands requires pretty left-wing policies and attitudes, including paying civil servants well, which requires a lot of tax money. If you keep insisting on low tax rates because we don't have a government type that doesn't arise unless one has somewhat higher tax rates, I'm not sure what to say.

    2. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by wyHunter · · Score: 2

      Since the marginal total tax rate in the US is somewhat about 50% when you factor in everything, from where do you expect to get...more money?

    3. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      To have a government like Finland or the Netherlands requires pretty left-wing policies and attitudes, including paying civil servants well, which requires a lot of tax money. If you keep insisting on low tax rates because we don't have a government type that doesn't arise unless one has somewhat higher tax rates, I'm not sure what to say.

      Feds earn 74% more than people in the private sector.

      The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

      Since the 1990s, federal workers have enjoyed faster compensation growth than private-sector workers.

      More sources:
      U.S. Office of Personnel Management: "Senior Executive Service Performance & Compensation"
      Congressional Research Service: "The Federal Workforce: Characteristics and Trends"
      Congressional Budget Office: "Comparing the Compensation of Federal and Private-Sector Employees".

      Apparently our Government is starved for cash? Here's where we tax. Look at how it's spent.

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    4. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      I forgot my summary. America has a spending problem and massive corruption.

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    5. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by khallow · · Score: 1

      To have a government like Finland or the Netherlands requires pretty left-wing policies and attitudes, including paying civil servants well, which requires a lot of tax money. If you keep insisting on low tax rates because we don't have a government type that doesn't arise unless one has somewhat higher tax rates, I'm not sure what to say.

      Who really buys that? We have plenty of examples where the US government already vastly overpays compared to countries like Finland and the Netherlands (eg, education, health care). My take is that if you double the tax revenue that the federal government gets, then fighter jets are going to cost $800 billion to develop instead of $400 billion and basic services that still somehow can't get properly funded. You need more than money to make this work.

    6. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average federal employee is a manager, because the conservatives have outsourced most of the menial jobs.

      We don't have janitors on the payroll much these days, we have management overseeing the outsourcing.

      So headline, managers make more.

      Typical CONservative BS, take office, give tax breaks for the people who funded your campaign, and then tell the little people that the government is broke because government doesn't work.

    7. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, stupid roads and schools and ports and armies and bridges and cops and firemen and people trying to keep us from getting food poisoning and NASA and SBA loans and grants to Silicon Valley companies and regulations about how many hours a guy driving a big rig truck that weighs eleventy thousand pounds on the road next can go before he needs to sleep and safety gear on cars and standards for housing and electricity and power and water and sewage and rules for banks about not stealing peoples money or giving it to their friends (real regulations, banks used to be bad, still are) and courts and emergency help when mother nature opens a can of whoop-ass on a coast and that pesky net neutrality thing and NOAA helping people plan things like shipping and air travel around weather and oh yeah air travel regulations and stupid speed limits around schools and making sure my employer actually pays me for my work and those laws about not letting the boss grab the secretary's ass and prisons and the Coast Guard and grants that helped launch just about every company in Silicon Valley or at least got their "talent" a degree from some fancy college and rules about having auto insurance if you crash into me so you don't leave me in the hospital flat broke and borders with rules about what can and cannot come into the country because there's some nasty insects in other places that could wipe out crops aka food and clean water rules cause fish are food too and making sure the gas station sells me a gallon of gas and not nine tenths of a gallon same for the local market meat department scale and labels on food so we can make smart choices about what we feed ourselves and our kids and man oh man if I could murder the competition with my superior resources and not be called anti-competitive I could rule the world stupid government with its stupid taxes.

      Taxes are the cost of civilization, government is how we maintain civilization, and in fact without government you have no economy because government creates the economy.

      Yeah, things could be better, but what exactly did you want to get rid of? Tell us how the mighty Ayn Rand and/or trickle down economics can save us from all this awful American first world country we've created?

    8. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm all for more fiscal accountability in government and the private sector, but I think the studies you cite miss the mark. Within one of the articles you provided a link to was a further link:
      http://www.govexec.com/excellence/promising-practices/2015/10/apples-oranges-and-kumquats-analyzing-federal-pay/122710/?oref=relatedstories
      In that story, the many differences between the federal and private workforces are discussed. One striking difference is the abundance of part time workers (low wages, no benefits) in the private sector.

      Even if the federal salaries and benefits are generous when compared to private industry, does that mean they are out of line? Everywhere there is evidence of the shrinking middle class dating back to 1970. Does that come about because workers are paid fairly (and those at the top more so)? Pensions have disappeared in the private sector–possibly with good reason as most companies are not in a position to make such guarantees–does that mean government pensions should as well?

      Regarding $400 vs $800 million fighter jets, such cost inflation is not the fault of government alone (poor oversight), but also of the private companies contracted to do the work. There is plenty of blame for everyone, why just focus on the government?

    9. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA Federal Government does not need all the employees that it has.
      There is great duplication of services/information/research/etc.
      There is a great amount of unnecessary services/information/research/etc.
      Eliminate all the duplicates/unnecessaries and develop a humane recruitment and replacement policy and the USA Federal Government could cut tens of $Billions each year.
      That would lead to either lower taxes/tax rates or payments on the debt. Or both.

    10. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is, a 50% marginal tax rate is actually significantly higher than a lot of nominally-much-more Socialist countries. New Zealand, for instance, has a top marginal tax rate of 33%, including health insurance.

    11. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the part about a powerful union and generous pension.

    12. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorant rants like this makes the case why liberals get the government they deserve while the rest of us suffer. We're talking about the CUMULATIVE effects of taxes everywhere. Sorry bud, 50% of what I make is TOO MUCH. If you think its not, then I'll pay less and you can voluntarily add whatever you want when filing your taxes.

      When they can't raise income taxes, they manufacture more ways to extract revenue from the productive people in society to provide 'access' to 'services' that are so abused that I could spend the rest of my life trying to describe.

      Let me put it in perspective - this conference, and this pinhead - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/cheers-photos-show-embattled-gsa-official-enjoying-wine-and-soak-in-spa-tub-at-m-hotel-during-pre-conference-meeting/ - cost taxpayers ~$822K for a meeting in 2009...

      In the 25 years I've already worked, and the next 30 year I will have to work, every last dollar taken and will be taken from my future paychecks will go toward paying a only a portion of this conference. This is no longer a representative government of the people, by the people and for the people. Its criminal.

      THINK ABOUT IT.

    13. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the problem is that the private sector pays so little compared to the public sector. If you want to have a strong economy people need money to spend.

    14. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by khallow · · Score: 1
      I didn't actually provide links, but I'll note the following. First, here's a link supporting that the US spends more per student than the two other countries mentioned. From here, the Netherlands spend a bit more in public spending than the the US (10% of GDP versus 8%), but Finland spends less (7%).

      In that story, the many differences between the federal and private workforces are discussed. One striking difference is the abundance of part time workers (low wages, no benefits) in the private sector.

      Even if the federal salaries and benefits are generous when compared to private industry, does that mean they are out of line?

      Absolutely, yes. I don't believe most federal jobs are notably more valuable or useful (some have considerable negative value due to the harm they cause to US society).

      Everywhere there is evidence of the shrinking middle class dating back to 1970. Does that come about because workers are paid fairly (and those at the top more so)?

      It came about because of labor competition with the developing world. It's amazing how many people forget this.

      Pensions have disappeared in the private sectorâ"possibly with good reason as most companies are not in a position to make such guaranteesâ"does that mean government pensions should as well?

      Oh yes. This is a very strong indication to eliminate public pensions.

      Regarding $400 vs $800 million fighter jets, such cost inflation is not the fault of government alone (poor oversight), but also of the private companies contracted to do the work. There is plenty of blame for everyone, why just focus on the government?

      Because government is the sole involved party with the money and the responsibility to control that spending.

    15. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      With regards to your link, how similar is the accounting in the other countries? It's not easy to compare apples to apples. I've had problems with that more than once.

      Also, it could be that Finland and the Netherlands have better social safety nets and therefore get more attentive students and fewer troublemakers. They do have superior health care systems, so if a poor child gets a nasty disease that child will be treated rather than left to suffer brain damage.

      Your opinion of how valuable a job is is mostly irrelevant, and basing the value on your politics is irrelevant in any objective study.

      I'm well aware of labor competition, but that doesn't mean the middle class has to shrink. Anything that depresses the median US income should be addressed, rather than waved away as inevitable.

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    16. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by khallow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, stupid roads and schools and ports and armies and bridges and cops and firemen and people trying to keep us from getting food poisoning and NASA and SBA loans and grants to Silicon Valley companies and regulations about how many hours a guy driving a big rig truck that weighs eleventy thousand pounds on the road next can go before he needs to sleep and safety gear on cars and standards for housing and electricity and power and water and sewage and rules for banks about not stealing peoples money or giving it to their friends (real regulations, banks used to be bad, still are) and courts and emergency help when mother nature opens a can of whoop-ass on a coast and that pesky net neutrality thing and NOAA helping people plan things like shipping and air travel around weather and oh yeah air travel regulations and stupid speed limits around schools and making sure my employer actually pays me for my work and those laws about not letting the boss grab the secretary's ass and prisons and the Coast Guard and grants that helped launch just about every company in Silicon Valley or at least got their "talent" a degree from some fancy college and rules about having auto insurance if you crash into me so you don't leave me in the hospital flat broke and borders with rules about what can and cannot come into the country because there's some nasty insects in other places that could wipe out crops aka food and clean water rules cause fish are food too and making sure the gas station sells me a gallon of gas and not nine tenths of a gallon same for the local market meat department scale and labels on food so we can make smart choices about what we feed ourselves and our kids and man oh man if I could murder the competition with my superior resources and not be called anti-competitive I could rule the world stupid government with its stupid taxes.

      I wish people like you knew what numbers mean. You have one word on that list, "armies" for which the US government spends twice or more as much as the rest of your list combined. And glancing at an actual 2014 budget, I see about 50% of the federal budget has nothing to do with important services or regulations, but rather is entitlement spending, basically transferring wealth from young or healthy people to old or sick people. Another 10% is paying interest on debt.

      That crap doesn't build roads or keep rich CEOs from killing people. Instead, it is a costly distraction from the important stuff that the US government does.

    17. Re:Why I Am a Conservative by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yes but according to the liberals, this was government spending so it was good. It is criminal. NOBODY, NOBODY in the US doesn't think that we do not need good infrastructure, safe water, safe food, etc. Those of us who look at the incredibly mind boggling amount of government waste and realize that our life blood is going to pay for parties like this are told we are 'selfish' -- while we're also told "You know, when you reach retirement age there won't be social security."

  4. But Of Course by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    What sets this case apart is that the accused IRS employee, Nakeisha Hall, was tasked specifically with helping people who had been affected by some kind of tax-related identity theft or fraud.

    Of course this would be the way to do it. Any losses that Nakeisha generated could be attributed to the fraud that the taxpayer was already suffering. Probably masked the losses quite nicely, at least for a time.

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  5. Irresponsible Retarded Scumbags?

    What? Don't ask me, I don't live in the U.S.A.

    1. Re:IRS? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, you got it right... Your definotion for IRS is a very appropriate description of the IRS!

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    2. Re:IRS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point of view has been noted, citizen. You are now on the list.

  6. Re:There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not cheering for republican's here, but what the fuck are you talking about? Do you just say things to illustrate your inherent stupidity or do you just make shit up in your real life and don't know the difference anymore.

    Most republicans I know loath the IRS.

  7. Oh No! Don't share this story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    YallQaeda will find out and declare YeeHad on the IRS for violating Shania law!

    Damn I love twitter trolls! :)

    1. Re:Oh No! Don't share this story! by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That's actually marginally funny. You could improve the redneck joke a little by calling it a Yeehawd. You see what I did there?

  8. Happens more than people think by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole security by obscurity thing happens way more than people think. Why do you think e-file refund scams work in the first place? Because (most likely) when the core system was designed, it was assumed that an IRS employee was entering the paper returns received in the mail by hand into an IRS-controlled computer. Therefore, the system only does a cursory SSN-to-name match as a sanity check before issuing a refund for whatever amount the return shows (as long as the math checks out.) The IRS is processing millions of returns a year, so this is only noticed when a taxpayer tries to file their return and is told they've already done so; it happened to a relative of mine a couple years ago.

    Not knowing the architecture, e-file really feels like a security by obscurity mess. Perhaps the IRS gives "trusted e-file providers" encryption keys for an Internet-accessible gateway, and the tax software just pumps the raw data directly into the main filing system from the end user. Also, once it gets inside the IRS, the data is probably considered "trusted" and not encrypted as it's passed around from system to system. People love to hate the IRS, and I'm sure that's reflected in budget appropriations, so whatever system is in place is probably never upgraded beyond skeleton crew maintenance stuff and new regulations coding.

    This is going to be the interesting part of the Internet of Things push -- take existing systems and slap them onto the Internet, no matter what it takes. I'm seeing this a lot in the private sector as well -- cloud cloud cloud! Get our previously inaccessible, vulnerable product out on the Internet before the competition does! IoT!! We're Agile, we'll fix all the problems as we go! Social! Apps! Etc...

    In this case, it's interesting psychology. The article even states it - people assume that their data is safe once it makes it inside the IRS. Same way people assume their banking or health data are safe, then find out it's not as protected as they think.

    1. Re:Happens more than people think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Million dollars in this scam is nothing compared to the refund fraud that has been going on for years totalling Billions of dollars. Your tax money given away to criminals, your tax money used to fix up your account, your time and effort to fix something that was the IRS's fault, etc.

      In all, a report from the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration today found 1.5 million potentially fraudulent tax returns that went undetected by the IRS, costing taxpayers $3.6 billion.
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/07/identity-theft-tax-fraud-lithuania/3466663/

      Anybody who knew about it, you'd be a fool to not try to get involved with making some money. I could wake up in the comfort of my own home, and just get on a laptop, do about 15 returns a day. Fifteen times $3,000 a return, that's $45,000 a day.
      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-refund-scam-60-minutes-steve-kroft/

    2. Re:Happens more than people think by Forgefather · · Score: 2

      You are right about their budgetary concerns, but the situation is worse than you think. As of 2014 they were still using a system of vinyl cartridges as hard drives to store their tax information. And their budget is getting worse. For the last decade lawmakers, primarily on the republican side have been slashing the IRS's budget by labeling it a mechanism of evil and whatnot.

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      "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
    3. Re:Happens more than people think by Calydor · · Score: 2

      One million dollars, over the course of seven or eight years, spread over all the accounts she had access to? Sounds to me like no one's life was ruined, at least.

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    4. Re:Happens more than people think by mark-t · · Score: 2

      If the tax money is being given to so-called criminals legally, what are they doing to be criminals in the first place?

    5. Re:Happens more than people think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were not one of the people, you have no idea. Sounds like you've never been a legitimate victim either. Time to walk a mile in someone else's shoes and get a sliver of empathy.

  9. Infernal Revenue Service by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    the Tax men known for taking down the Untouchable folks.

    (just remember the IRS does not care where you get your money just that you properly (within the grimore that is the US Tax Code) pay the taxes.)

    1. Re:Infernal Revenue Service by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      However, if Capone hadn't been taken down by the tax evasion, they would have had proof of his illegal activities, it is a catch-22.

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    2. Re:Infernal Revenue Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, if Capone hadn't been taken down by the tax evasion, they would have had proof of his illegal activities, it is a catch-22.

      Not true. You can declare the income without providing court-usable proof of illegal activities. You may be giving the FBI reason to investigate your activities, but Capone was already under investigation.

    3. Re:Infernal Revenue Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, if Capone hadn't been taken down by the tax evasion, they would have had proof of his illegal activities, it is a catch-22.

      There is a reason the IRS got him instead of the legal system: for the IRS you're guilty until you proof your innocense.

      Would the law have been involved the gouverment would have needed to proof everything they considered him guilty of (which they already tried a couple of times, but could not get it to stick).

      So no, I don't think there was a catch-22 at all.

    4. Re:Infernal Revenue Service by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Other people were trying to find solid evidence that he'd committed crimes, and were not doing well. If Capone had simply written much of his income in the "other, including illegal, income" space, the IRS would have had nothing against him.

      BTW, I've had dealings with the IRS, and they've all been fair and courteous (most of these were my fault; apparently my arithmetic ability is suppressed by tax forms). I knew an ex-IRS auditor, and she was a good person, and she told me that people keep asking themselves if they're being too hard on the people they audit. (Yup, second-hand anecdotal evidence. Best I have here.)

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  10. Meh. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Run of the mill embezzlement by someone placed in just the right spot to get away with it. But you know what? It's nothing compared to the Lois Lerner mess. This thief took advantage of IRS access to steal some cash. Lerner et al took advantage of IRS control to influence public discourse and a looming election.

    The tax code is incomprehensibly complex and burdensome. That's trouble all by itself. But because it plays out in the sprawling, no-accountability federal big government landscape, it provides fertile ground for everything from thievery (a la the linked-to story) to partisan shenanigans (a la Lerner-related issues).

    The drive to make government always bigger, always more complex, and always more insulated from consequence - that costs each of us real, serious money that produces nothing. We do need a tax enforcement agency. But we don't need it to be responsible for such mind-bogglingly byzantine complexity that it can't even keep an eye on its own people's ongoing criminal enterprises and partisan betrayals of trust.

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    1. Re:Meh. by DaHat · · Score: 0

      we don't need it to be responsible for such mind-bogglingly byzantine complexity that it can't even keep an eye on its own people's ongoing criminal enterprises and partisan betrayals of trust.

      There is a reason for it, and it's not just about governmental size, to quote an older book:

      "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

    2. Re:Meh. by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      An ironic choice of author.

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    3. Re:Meh. by DaHat · · Score: 1

      You really need to read up on the definition of 'irony'.

      Today we had a guy rail against access to guns who is protected by a group of guys with guns... care to say something on the topic of the discussion?

    4. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out that refactoring old laws is extremely expensive, and often results in breaking downstream processes that had hidden dependencies, which produce damage and even more costs to repair the laws.

      Nobody wants to pay those costs when it is a lot cheaper to just ignore the unwanted feature set and focus on the subset of laws that are actually useful.

      Eventually the consequences of the old laws are burdensome enough that a smidgen of refactoring is introduced, but even that is usually in the form of hacking new laws on top of the old ones to ease the pain...which of course only exacerbates the problem in the long wrong.

      Whether or not it is the "right" solution is secondary to the cost-to-benefit ratio (usually considered only in the relative short term, too).

    5. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is an ad hominem logical fallacy. But you probably already knew that. My guess is that your use of irrational argument wasn't out of ignorance, but out of malice. I wonder how often you knowingly try to subvert the reasoning process of others whenever your position is fundamentally unsound.

    6. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The IRS is a lot of things. Partisan isn't one of them. At least not in the way you are trying to portray :-) They will faithfully execute the orders from 'the boss', no matter which faction. Yes, even your "Lois Lerner mess" is just a run of the mill, everyday part of the show. Your righteous indignation over this particular target has been duly noted, thank you for participating...

      *ahem* Your bandwagon is reaching the end of the road. Are you all set to jump on the next one? Not many shopping days left

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    7. Re:Meh. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      How is that ironic? She paid into the system, why shouldn't she receive the benefits? I pay social security and medicare taxes, and I expect that when I retire I will use those benefits, this does not indicate however that I agree with the system, as I could easily invest the money in my 401k and come out way ahead of SS.

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    8. Re:Meh. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I find it especially ironic that none of the recent shootings that made the news would have been stopped by his changes if they happened first thing on his swearing in.

      He wants to stop the gun show vulnerability to the system, but that doesn't stop a broken background check system that allowed Dylann Roof to buy a handgun. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli...
      He went through the background check, but because the database being used sucks, he didn't get flagged.

      The changes wouldn't have stopped Adam Lanza from shooting up Sandy Hook, the guns he used were legally owned by his mother and were available to him.

      I do enjoy the irony in Obama calling for gun control while being surrounded by a private army though. Especially in that all the gun control possible hasn't slowed the crime rate in the city he used to work in of Chicago, or where I am from, Baltimore.

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    9. Re:Meh. by khallow · · Score: 3, Informative

      The IRS is a lot of things. Partisan isn't one of them.

      Except of course, we have evidence to the contrary. Lerner's past history indicates she wasn't going to carry water in the manner she did, for a conservative administration. And it's worth noting that the same MO in her earlier harassment attack as an FEC bureaucrat mirrored her attacks as an IRS bureaucrat and against the same sort of targets.

    10. Re:Meh. by erapert · · Score: 2

      Because it's not about reducing crime. It's not about anything other than preparing for a proper tyranny that doesn't have to hide behind the fig leaf of our current system.

    11. Re:Meh. by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      I didn't say the IRS was partisan. I said that the sprawling, un-supervisable, unaccountable nature of huge government bureaucracies like the one found at the IRS are unable to prevent people like Lois Lerner from bringing her highly partisan baggage to bear on her supposedly neutral role in her agency.

      That being said, the director of that agency IS a political appointee, and the current one has been in fact conducting himself in a highly partisan way in order to shield the agency's upper management from the fallout that comes from allowing the agency's power to interfere with elections. That agency provided a very partisan payload of personal tax data to the White House as opposition research was being done. Who got fired at either end of that process, for breaking the law in that way? Nobody at the White House, and nobody at the IRS.

      Your casual dismissal of that sort of thing says plenty about your own politics, especially since you consider calling that sort of corruption what it is to be simply being on a bandwagon. As you say, duly noted. We know where you stand.

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    12. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      She was following orders...

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    13. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Your projection notwithstanding, just follow the money. I would expect you to know the routine by now, but you seem to be a little too hung up on this 'nuance' thing that you like to use when, uhhh, different people are involved.

      Considering all the serious things happening out there, and that the whole 501(3) scam is nothing but a tax evasion scheme to begin with, yeah, you're on a silly media bandwagon... By its very existence, the IRS is a scandal, since the beginning, and it is non partisan, they are simple bureaucrats (in a strong symbiosis with the FBI) doing what they are told, prohibition, Obamacare, property liens, whatever. Occasionally some of them get greedy, stupid, sloppy. There is not much to the story, other than confirming that unbridled authority leads to petty crime. It's all designed to fill the front page with fluff. Let's see some bodies

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    14. Re:Meh. by khallow · · Score: 1

      You're making excuses. I personally don't believe she acted in a vacuum (she probably had enablers who knew of her previous work), but I doubt she would have done this effort for a conservative administration.

    15. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt she would have done this effort for a conservative administration.

      Oh, she definitely wouldn't do the effort. Do the effort of coming out to let us know and apologize for it, that is.

      See, we didn't find out about this by brave investigative journalists or courageous insider leaks catching her red handed. Lerner herself planted a question to be asked in a meeting so she could let people know and apologize for it. And she only did it after discussing it (read: ordered to) with her superior, the acting IRS Commissioner at the time.

      Before that, she served under IRS Commissioners appointed by Bush, and we didn't hear them being so diligent and getting their employees to come out and apologize for wrongdoing. Maybe they were ignorant that she was acting badly, or maybe they were too incompetent to realize that she was acting badly, or they were simply too corrupt and think acting badly is ok when it's their side doing it.

    16. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, no excuses, I don't vote for the kinds of people that would hire them, so I don't care what she did or does. It is an issue the voters have to acknowledge and deal with themselves.

      Now, on the other hand:

      I doubt she would have done this effort for a conservative administration.

      This here is a perfect example of the kind of bullshit that your regular partisan hacks spew out in their little internet rags or on the radio. I expected better from you :-)

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    17. Re:Meh. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Conversely, it seems unlikely that many of those shootings would have been stopped by good guys with guns. There was a good guy with a gun at the Oregon shooting, and he waited for the police like everyone else.

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    18. Re:Meh. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The tax code is extremely complicated, and the US public as a whole can fix that. The problem is that we're a bit too selfish for optimum results. Suppose a Senator got more credit for cutting fifty billion dollars of government spending than funneling a billion to his or her state, and similar things happened with Representatives. What would happen with the deficit? Similarly, what if the citizenry demanded a simpler tax code without all the little corner cases enacted that give a small number of people big advantages? Heck, what if the US public was sensitive to very minor wrongs committed on over three hundred million people as opposed to the significant gains of a few people?

      That isn't happening, of course, and is unlikely to happen any time soon.

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    19. Re:Meh. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      She was following orders...

      So weren't the people who gassed the Jews. We've already, as a society, decided that culpability lies with the person(s) who give the order and the person(s) who follow them. "I was just following orders." Is no excuse at all.

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    20. Re:Meh. by khallow · · Score: 1

      See, we didn't find out about this by brave investigative journalists or courageous insider leaks catching her red handed. Lerner herself planted a question to be asked in a meeting so she could let people know and apologize for it. And she only did it after discussing it (read: ordered to) with her superior, the acting IRS Commissioner at the time.

      A report on the inappropriate audits was to be publicly released four days later.

      It's worth noting two things here. First, the discriminatory and illegal actions kept going till that very month. If she had really caught this activity earlier you'd have expected her to either stop the activity or to tell someone about it - she did have an opportunity two days before to come clean with a congressional hearing on that very matter.

      Second, she introduced the admission in a highly deceptive manner by having someone ask her a planted question in a press conference, giving a false appearance of openness and cooperation when in truth, she could have only delayed release of the information for another four days.

      She did it only because she was about to be caught red-handed.

      And if, as you alleged, her superiors were in on this game, then that's a strong indication that they were in on the earlier illegal auditing as well.

      Before that, she served under IRS Commissioners appointed by Bush, and we didn't hear them being so diligent and getting their employees to come out and apologize for wrongdoing. Maybe they were ignorant that she was acting badly, or maybe they were too incompetent to realize that she was acting badly, or they were simply too corrupt and think acting badly is ok when it's their side doing it.

      And of course, now we see the high moral standards of the day. If Bush does something, of if we believe he did something erroneously (as in your assertion), then it's just fine for our politicians to do that too. I believe the applicable term here is "projection" for your insinuation that I think it's just fine when my politicians do it.

      This is especially silly to assert since Lerner didn't pull that stuff during a Bush administration. The last time she pulled those games was in the late 90s under the Clinton administration.

    21. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I consider the Iraq/Afghanistan wars as criminal acts. Who takes the blame, Bush (Cheney), or the troops? And then why should giving the order be a crime if nobody follows? I can go either way with this, I'm easy.

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    22. Re:Meh. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The world doesn't work like that so I don't have much of an answer. You can blame anyone you want but that doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees.

      I'd only suggest that there are others who share culpability in many things and that this is one of those things. The person who did the deed is culpable - just like a murder for hire means the killer and the person who hired them share culpability. I suppose this is a bit less drastic than murder, however. The underlying principle is the same. We decided long ago, perhaps in grade school, that it is no excuse to say, "They told me to do it!"

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    23. Re:Meh. by khallow · · Score: 1

      This here is a perfect example of the kind of bullshit that your regular partisan hacks spew out in their little internet rags or on the radio. I expected better from you :-)

      It's true though. Let us recall that this particular subthread started because you asserted that the IRS wasn't partisan. But we see here an obviously partisan IRS manager doing the dirty work with a history of partisan dirty work.

      Ideologues don't trust outsiders to do the dirty work. For example, when the Bolsheviks took over Russia, they didn't keep the old administrations from the era of the Czars or the short-lived Russian Republic. They put their own people in charge and cleaned house even though there was probably a bunch of existing bureaucrats willing to do whatever they wished.

      Conversely, a non-partisan bureaucrat isn't going to take a hit for the team because they have to weather future administrations which can be current enemies of the present administration. But many of them will have no trouble with unconstitutional activities which don't involve risk of prison or crossing a future employer.

    24. Re:Meh. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm not really making an argument one way or the other. My opinion means nothing. The voters are okay with it, not me. And the Nuremberg Defense is very selectively applied, by a democratic voting process it seems, or a committee, in the same fashion they decide who's a terrorist

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  11. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nakeisha a good girl. She dindu nuffin. #EscaladesWith22"RimsAndAirJordansMatter

  12. Re:There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm not cheering for republican's here"

    What belongs to the republican?

    "Most republicans I know loath the IRS"

    loathe.

  13. sarcasm by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Do I really need the /sarc?

    Evidently yes

    1. Re:sarcasm by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      You left out a bit, evidently yes because "the crew would take cards to ATMs and withdraw money, or use them in stores, the DoJ said. Hall, Goodman, and Coleman were arrested last month on a number of charges related to the scam, including mail fraud and conspiracy to commit bank fraud." It is called separation of powers and it exists because who watches over the government, other departments whose duty is to watch over the actions of government and when necessary investigate and prosecute those government employees who break the law. In private enterprise watching over itself, the response is STFU we are making money and the penalties will be far lower than the profits and that is 99% of responses made by the 1% in control of private industry.

      Perhaps snark might not be accurate as wilful blindness might be far more accurate, as it was the government that caught the government cheating and prosecuted it, so the point of sarcasm in this case being a complete lack of RTFA.

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  14. Young fool with no ambition. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

    What really upsets me is the lack of ambition and drive in the younger generation. This IRS agent could have made millions, but stopped at just one million. This really sucks, even when they can steal, they get lazy and take time off to post selfies in the facebook profile. There is no hope. Now, get off my lawn.

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    1. Re:Young fool with no ambition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A million bucks great, a 2 bedroom 1100 sqft house in the Bay Area. But now you need $1000/mo for property tax.

    2. Re:Young fool with no ambition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least womyn empowerment in tech industry is working now !

  15. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Citation needed.

  16. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by njnnja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The IRS didn't audit a single millionaire last year.

    They didn't audit a single millionaire because they audited tens of thousands of millionaires. Unless of course you are referring to marital status. Unfortunately I can't find out whether they audited a single millionaire or if they were all married.

  17. nigger much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Nafuckingwhat?

  18. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's how they be.

  19. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were created to destroy the middle class.

  20. Re:There's a reason those Republicans... by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

    In lieu of actually formulating a scathing response like a proper troll, you chose the easy road and picked his grammar apart. You're an edgelord, we get it. Now go back whichever one of the 'chans you came from, son. Your father is disappointed.

  21. They're OS hackers by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    It's just like any other operating system. Once you know how it works, really really well, your mind turns to the thought of what you could do with yoru knowledge , if you wanted to. Most people don't act on it at all. Some people are inspired to make it more secure. Some people see it as an opportunity to be evil.

    When I was implementing an RFP back in the day for a certain protocol , it just so happened that what I wrote , when I posted it to a webserver, took that webserver DOWN. IT was just a quirk; nothing I wrote was wrong. Nothing the server did was wrong, but RFPs are sufficiently vague to allow for a quirks mode to surface betwen two non-coordinating implementors.

    The thing was, the server had about, oh, 90% market share so what I had in effect was an Evil Death Ray on the entire internet. I never even considered there was any up side in this because I am not naturally inclined to exploit people, situations or circumstances. Some of the people around me however, their minds immediately alighted on the potential and began joking about what they could do.. blackmail to major websites and crap like that.

    Either it strikes you as horrifyingly wrong and against everything that gives life meaning, or it doesn't. It's as simple as that.

    If you look at the biographies of people in corporations and organizations who Do Evil, you may come to the conclusion that graduating from elite universities and following other societally sanctioned pathways to power does not in any way filter out sociopaths, it just filters out a certain kind of disorganized, irresponsible sociopath. The ones that emerge from these pathways are super-charged, in deep cover and are basicaly responsible for most of the real, intractable, structural badness in our society.

    This is part of the reason the Government's NSA exploits and attitudes towards our privacy are so threatening to people. The technology is fearsome, the sociopath sieve, very far from effective.

    1. Re:They're OS hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sociopath sieve ... I am not sure if that is a great name for a band or a meat grinder.

  22. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After systematically banning abortion.

    Captcha: Pedant

  23. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those tepublicans thought that desroying the middle class would be enough, but now they're going after the working poor with their IRS.

  24. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The democrats shouldn't have allowed the creation of the IRS. It put everyone at risk.

  25. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more expensive to audit the rich so I can understand why they're so reluctant to do it.

  26. Was his name Fernando Rodriguez? by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    ...because that guy calls me a couple of times a month from all over the country about how I'm in trouble with the IRS, and they'll sick the local police on me shortly if I don't send them thousands of dollars, presumably by Western Union or in gift cards.

  27. United States has come a long way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    There's still a long way to go for this country but, damn it, we're now in a position where African-Americans are in position to commit, and get convicted of, White Collar crimes. Just 30 years ago this crime of opportunity would have been almost exclusively available to privileged whites only. Dr. King's dream is one step closer to becoming reality.

    1. Re:United States has come a long way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LAWDY LAWDY!!

  28. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They constantly put the poor in prison while refusing to ever audit the rich.

    Uhh:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2012/01/06/irs-steps-up-audits-of-millionaires/

    The rate at which millionaires are audited has more than doubled under Obama. The audit rate for people making less than $200k per year is about 1%, and it is now at over 14% for people earning a million or more per year. For those of us that believe in the Constitution and equal protection, this is a problem. The SCOTUS ruled in in Bolling v. Sharpe in 1954 that equal protection requirements apply to the federal government through the Fifth Amendment.

  29. This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    When you trust nigers.

  30. How? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    He did his job. Duh.

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  31. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm...the "Whites" are the ones with the money.

  32. Nothing to do with the IRS but perp's negroid race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Nakeisha Hall

    That's the name of a negress. She is genetically pre-determined to be a criminal because dark skin colour gene implies the high-crime gene. Had she been born in Nigeria you would hear about her as a 419 scammer princess.

  33. Re:Classic! by Mario Puzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I had an in-law that lived a life of crime ... He was an Italian-American ... Oddly he was even a bit religious and often went to church...

    ( ... and his name was Vito di Corleone but most everybody called him Don and begged him to be godfather to their children... )

    Seriously, what a moron you must be to associate yourself with italian mafioso? Be glad you didn't end up sleeping under concrete! The breaker, the fencer, those "legitimate businesses" 100% surely all belonged to the same extended italian family of very devoted catholics (... and probably some very devoted irish catholic FBI agents were trying to hunt down that octopus of crime at the same time.)

  34. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Simple costs/benefits analysis indicates it is far more productive to audit rich people than poor people. That's just common sense, not discrimination against the rich.

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  35. Re:There's a reason those Republicans... by budgenator · · Score: 2

    They have destroyed so many cities in this country with their attacks on minority areas. Just look at Chicago and Detroit to see the results.

    Detroit's problems are all on a couple race riots and Colman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick. Your going to see the same thing in Ferguson and Baltimore over the next few decades.

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  36. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 0

    Simple costs/benefits analysis indicates it is far more productive to audit rich people than poor people. That's just common sense, not discrimination against the rich.

    Simple cost/benefit analysis indicates it's far more productive for the police to stop black people than white people. That's just common sense, not discrimination against black people.
    Now do you see the problem?

  37. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple costs/benefits analysis indicates it is far more productive to audit rich people than poor people. That's just common sense, not discrimination against the rich.

    Simple cost/benefit analysis indicates it's far more productive for the police to stop black people than white people. That's just common sense, not discrimination against black people.

    Now do you see the problem?

    No. People have no control of their race. People with lots of money have control of how much money they have.

  38. IRS is a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not just the agent, the entire agency is a fucking scam

  39. The real story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... have virtually no insight into how that data is used and secured.

    The truth is, the government can exempt itself from what few data laws private businesses have to obey, with predictable results. Who watches the watchers? What happened to the bilked taxpayers who complained their refund was missing? The international image of the US IRS makes them akin to secret police who can enforce whatever rules they like: The fact they're enacting civil forfeiture laws against small businesses using 'too much' cash confirms this perspective. I suspect the truth to be much worse.

  40. Impossible... by terrywin · · Score: 1

    WOW...I can't believe it. This could not have happened!

    Tthe king would not allow the IRS to perpetrate fraud!

    Nor would he permit the IRS to target anyone whose political leanings where presumed to be "offensive" to his beliefs.

    This story is a non-starter... Did anyone check Snopes to see if it was true?

     

  41. Once again by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    An affirmative action government hire is caught entrenched in corruption and theft. Who is even surprised any more?

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  42. Re:There's a reason those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice try. Weak at best.

  43. Re: There's a reason those Republicans... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The government does not have to be absolutely neutral on everything. If the IRS was deliberately auditing people of one religion more heavily than people of another, that would be unConstitutional. In other news, the FBI concentrates its efforts on people it suspects of committing certain crimes, the US Armed Forces are disproportionately used against people we consider our enemies, and the Secret Service spends lots more effort protecting the President than in protecting me.

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  44. Conversely by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    You could simplify the ridiculously complicated tax code, which wouldn't require a small army of civil servants to manage anymore, increase the salaries of those left, and they'll never consider fraud in the first place.

    There problem solved. No left wing agenda required. I'll take my lucrative civil servant job now in payment.

    Of course a simplified tax code wouldn't let you hide tax breaks for the wealthy, so I guess that is a bit leftist.