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Twitter To Extend 140-Character Limit For Tweets (recode.net)

An anonymous reader writes: According to Re/code, Twitter is doing away with its 140-character limit for tweets. The company is currently planning on increasing the limit to 10,000 characters, though the final number may change before they roll it out. "Twitter is currently testing a version of the product in which tweets appear the same way they do now, displaying just 140 characters, with some kind of call to action that there is more content you can't see. Clicking on the tweets would then expand them to reveal more content. The point of this is to keep the same look and feel for your timeline, although this design is not necessarily final, sources say."

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  1. 10K ought to be enough for anybody by ShaunC · · Score: 2

    I wonder what ramifications this will have on peoples' data plan usage.

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    1. Re:10K ought to be enough for anybody by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Minimal compared to what they would have paid to send the messages by SMS (before unlimited plans).

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    2. Re:10K ought to be enough for anybody by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Minimal compared to what they would have paid to send the messages by SMS (before unlimited plans).

      Before "before unlimited plans", SMS used to be free. The phone companies didn't start charging for SMS until the late 90s.

      First, there was no cost as it was part of the GSM standard, and the packets went in-between other traffic, creating no extra load. With GSM being the only system that had text messaging, there was no talks of charging anything. If anything, it was meant to generate traffic like "please call me when you can", and promote increased talk time.

      But then the phone companies went to extra steps to be able to block SMS, so they could charge fees for not blocking it, backwards as it sounds.
      And as if that wasn't enough, they went one step further, and started counting SMSes and where they terminated, so they could charge extra for both the amount and the source/destination.

      Now they're offering "unlimited" SMS. Which was free in the first place. And most of them don't even offer unlimited SMS, but charge extra for sending or receiving SMS across borders, or requiring an extra monthly fee for that privilege on top of the "unlimited".
      It's a rip-off.

    3. Re:10K ought to be enough for anybody by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Maybe he's Chinese, you insensitive clod!

  2. So... by taxman_10m · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is Twitter only threatening suicide or do they really mean it?

    1. Re:So... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It makes sense because it's what a lot of tweets already do. Headline and a link to a longer article. All they are doing is providing a space for the longer article on their site, rather than having the user go to a different site to read it. The Twitter app already opens external sites in its own built in browser so that the user doesn't need to switch away from it.

      Why not keep people on the site and grab the be associated revenue?

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    2. Re:So... by gsslay · · Score: 2

      Those "headline" tweets are what I hate most on twitter and I actively avoid accounts that consist of nothing but click-bait to pull you to a website. If I wanted to read a 2 page article I would be browsing the web in a dozen better ways than reading a twitter feed. If I'm reading twitter, I want something short and to the point. I certainly do not want 10k characters, and I do not want to be forever deciding "do I open up this to read further, is it worth it, or is the meat of the comment in the first sentence?"

      By forcing people to be concise twitter had something unique. This new upper limit just makes them yet another networking platform.

    3. Re:So... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Why not keep people on the site and grab the be associated revenue?

      This is exactly what Twitter is doing. This is a direct assault on TwitLonger and other services that let you write long articles and tweet short links to them with a blurb of text. For all their API efforts, Twitter has shown time and again that they don't really like people using the API. It's there, but more so Twitter can see what people use it for and then implement those ideas, locking out the services that originated them, than for people to actually innovate with Twitter.

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    4. Re: So... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      I'd rather keep my rollover characters, especially if they don't expire.

  3. done before... by starblazer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Twitters call to fame was quick and concise little blurbs. If someone wanted a full page essay, they would have posted it on livejournal, blogger, or whatever blog/diary/journal site that already exists.

    Expand it to 240, Hell, even an even 200... but making it Yet Another Journal Program.... ugh.

    1. Re:done before... by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      and getting those blurbs as "free" sms(recipent paid, according to recipents plan).

      true, it started as an oneliner system. but the character limit wasn't random.

      however, in typical internet fashion, 99% of users don't really know or care what twitter was made for. neither does the management.

      what is AMAZING is how FUCKING EXPENSIVE twitter is to run. I mean, such a system - even with all the users - should not really cost the losses the company is making.

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    2. Re:done before... by Beck_Neard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You didn't even RTFA.

      They aren't going to increase the word limit. They are simply going to provide an 'extended tweet' functionality where you can add more text as an 'add-on' to your tweet.

      You can already link images and shit in your tweets; and a lot of people just post images containing text. This would keep people from doing that. I can't fathom why morons are complaining about this.

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    3. Re:done before... by DerPflanz · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I can't fathom why morons are complaining about this.

      Strange as it may sound, I have found that the typical Slashdot public is extremely conservative concerning technology. Whenever a (successful) company changes its product or experiments with features, many slashdotters would reply that they are not going to use it, so it has to be crap. Or, they complain how the existing product / version is superior.

      Luckily, the world is not made of slashdotters, and companies and people keep experimenting and trying out new things. And yes, some are indeed crap, but without changing anything, there wouldn't be progress.

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  4. this is good for press blasts by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right now people have taken to including a picture of text in their tweet when announcing big stuff. This is a disaster. It doesn't wrap well for different screen sizes and it makes things hard those assistive devices for poor sight, as they are better at reading text to them than communicating pictures.

    Something must be done. Maybe this is the right fix.

    After we fix that we can go on to eliminating vertical videos.

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    1. Re:this is good for press blasts by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Something must be done. Maybe this is the right fix.

      After we fix that we can go on to eliminating vertical videos.

      I don't get why cell phone manufacturers don't have a feature to record a proper horizontal video while holding the phone vertically. These phones have 10 Megapixel cameras in them now. It shouldn't be that difficult to grab the center 1920 by 1080 out of a much larger field for video.

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    2. Re:this is good for press blasts by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't get why sites like Youtube still haven't managed to create a proper vertical video player.

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    3. Re:this is good for press blasts by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because it won't actually solve the problem of terrible vertical videos, which is that they are vertical.

      In fact, it would probably encourage more of them to be created by morons who would feel validated by the new feature.

  5. Facebook is killing them. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2

    Twitter is dying because of its open structure and limited message size. Facebook is eating their lunch. The basic difference? Message size. So, Twitter thinks they can out FB Facebook. I dunno. I don't bother with twitter because of the 140 char limit. Hmmmmm... This might lure me into bothering with it. But can I control who follows me? No. Nemmind.

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    1. Re:Facebook is killing them. by beakerMeep · · Score: 2

      You can block people from following you, and I think they have a private mode now so only your followers see your tweets.

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    2. Re:Facebook is killing them. by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Facebook also has such "privacy settings". Don't trust them. Only put stuff on Twitter/Facebook that you want the world to know, no matter how strict the "privacy settings". After all, everyone that reads it can retweet your messages and it's out in the open anyway. Twitter's privacy settings may have bugs that allow others to see your stuff after all. Foreign law enforcement (specifically the NSA of the US Government) may have a direct back door into Twitter, and be reading your messages regardless of your "privacy settings".

  6. Re:Changing Requirements by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Twitter with large tweets is just an average blog.

    Twitter with 10,000 characters is just Facebook.

  7. Re:beat them to the punch! by TWX · · Score: 2

    I was sending messages up to 10K characters on the (then arpanet) as early as 1984. Beat them to the ability to exceed 140 characters by 32 years!

    Seriously, I never got the appeal of this 140 character thing. It seems like that creates pressure in the direction of thought-free trivialities rather than meaningful depth of communication.

    Captcha: Capacity.

    As a Fidonet user from back in the BBS days I can sympathize...

    It's almost like the 140-character limit was a holdout from the TAP paging protocol. I had an alphapager for work and later got one for myself before I could afford a cell phone, it was a very convenient medium if one was mindful of the character limits.

    It also reminds me of that Doctor Who episode in the current era of the show where they ended up in the alternate universe and first met the Cybermen- I wonder if the Twitter founders thought that tweets would be used like the daily data-dump that Cybus Industries sent out, where popular twits would send out messages that would cause large numbers of people to pause, look at their phones, chuckle, and then continue on with their day. What we seem to have in reality is a small core of diehard users (both as posters and as recipients) and the vast majority of us only pay attention when the TV media people tell us what some celebrity has tweeted or what's trending. I don't think that most of us give a damn, and now that they're removing the character cap it's likely that they've maxed out their userbase and are struggling to find ways of attracting more users.

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  8. Re:Changing Requirements by TWX · · Score: 2

    I see one advantage that it has- if the medium literally remains text then it's completely portable, doesn't matter if people are getting messages e-mailed, if they're reading them in an old usenet or forums method or even a graffiti-wall method, if they're getting them by MMS message, or even if they're still looking at them through a web browser, plus it might allow for the messages to pass to other kinds of devices as well. One could have a television display twits as a very simple subroutine instead of having a full browser running, for example, or they could show up on a summarized RSS feed on a cell phone's background or screensaver without having to do anything.

    But that doesn't seem to be how the userbase is actually using Twitter.

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  9. ASCII Art Finds A New Home by zenlessyank · · Score: 2

    Can't wait for the pics!

  10. Re:More noise on the Internet by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3

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    in a general way
    that life would be better, distinctly,
    if more of the people
    with nothing to say
    were able to say it
    succinctly.

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  11. And they're going to call it... by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    email!

  12. Already has photo attachments; why not text? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see it as "suicide" any more than being able to attach photos to a Tweet was. You'd get the headline in the Tweet and the article in an attached text file.

    1. Re:Already has photo attachments; why not text? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "I don't see it as "suicide" any more than being able to attach photos to a Tweet was. "

      We had email newsletters doing all that for over 40 years.

  13. Re:Changing Requirements by tepples · · Score: 2

    Twitter doesn't have a real name policy, just a policy not to mislead. Twitter has one-way following, as opposed to mutual friendship. And somehow the FSF feels a lot more comfortable with Twitter than with Facebook.

  14. Camera orientation must match that of device by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't get why cell phone manufacturers don't have a feature to record a proper horizontal video while holding the phone vertically.

    Because the Android CDD requires the camera to have the same orientation as the screen. Section 7.5.5 (Camera Orientation) states:

    Both front- and rear-facing cameras, if present, MUST be oriented so that the long dimension of the camera aligns with the screen’s long dimension. That is, when the device is held in the landscape orientation, cameras MUST capture images in the landscape orientation. This applies regardless of the device’s natural orientation; that is, it applies to landscape-primary devices as well as portrait-primary devices.

    So in the CDD's terms, what you're asking for is a way to crop 9:16 video down to 4:3 while recording it.

  15. Re:limitations of form concentrates and enhances by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    twitter is giving up essential part of what makes twitter successful.

    No Twitter is giving up something you like about it. If Twitter we a community project like Wikipedia it would be successful, but it isn't. Twitter is business and one that is losing money, which is by definition not successful.

    Twitters core problem is people tweet links to places not twitter. twitter needs your eyeballs to stay on twitter if they are going to make any money with ads. So they can't have all their users just linking to external content. That is bad business. Look at what facebook does they work very hard to pull as much external content as possible into the feeds whenever people link something outside, why because it chances are if you can produce a story summary and image people will just look at it there. Just like on Slashdot nobody reads the TFA, nobody clicks that crap on facebook they read whats there and scroll on down.

    Twitter can't do that in 140 chars. So they need some place for the content to go, that is also twitter.

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  16. Re: HOLY FUCK! North Korea has the H-Bomb! by WarJolt · · Score: 2

    Because there aren't enough North Koreans to throw the damn missile.

    Why worry?

  17. Re:An IDIOTIC decision by Twitter by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    140 characters equals 280 bytes.

    Windows UTF-16 user spotted!

    The 140 character limit in Twitter is based on SMS, which is max 160 7-bit characters or 140 8-bit characters.

    (Later, it was extended to also support 70 16-bit characters, which allows for Asian languages or emojis, but as soon as you use a single one, the max SMS length drops.)
     

  18. Re:An IDIOTIC decision by Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or Parkinson's Parkinson's Law: "r-r-r-u-b-b-ish expand-d-s to fill the a-a-a-vailable s-s-s-ap-a-a-c-e."

  19. Re:beat them to the punch! by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    Seriously, I never got the appeal of this 140 character thing. It seems like that creates pressure in the direction of thought-free trivialities rather than meaningful depth of communication.

    As far as I can tell, that is the appeal.

    before twitter and facebook, LJ and other blogging sites had a pretty active community. The format allowed you to post links to "Which timewasting personality quiz are you" and the like but also had a format that encouraged people to actually say something meaningful. And people posted their actual thoughts. But the short message seems to appeal a lot more.

    This is the twitter generation. We just don't have anything like that 5-minute attention span that the MTV generation managed.

  20. Re:beat them to the punch! by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    I believe SMS is 160 chars in some countries and 140 in other, or it depends on text encoding.

  21. Oh what times we live in! by RDW · · Score: 2

    This must be the most momentous, earth-shattering event since Instagram allowed rectangular photos! My predictions for 2016:

    - Snapchat snaps to be viewable for 6 months after opening.
    - Vine clip limit extended to 90 minutes.
    - Dice completes gradual 'stealth beta' transformation of Slashdot.
    - Civilization altering asteroid strike leaves Usenet newsgroups as most important social media.

  22. Re:beat them to the punch! by gsslay · · Score: 2

    It seems like that creates pressure in the direction of thought-free trivialities rather than meaningful depth of communication.

    The thought-free trivialities come from the people who don't have much to say that merits more than 140 characters. The solution is not to subscribe to them and their output need not concern you. Everyone else uses twitter to convey single points of information; concisely. If you want to write/read something longer with meaningful depth then twitter isn't the medium for that, any more than a radio traffic update is the place to discuss sustainable transport policy. Go write an email, read a blog or join a forum.

  23. I think you're forgetting how people use mess by tburkhol · · Score: 2

    aging systems with multiple text-entry fields. You know, like they'll start a message wherever the cursor goes, then tab to the next field when they run out of space. Or they'll fill the first 140 characters with salutations and declarations of importance. People suck at titles, headings, and summaries. The (questionable) beauty of twitter is to force people to write only short, complete messages, easily read at a glance.

    De-twittering twitter makes it email, and a twitter feed with 50 headlines saying "Important: read this" is pretty useless.

    1. Re:I think you're forgetting how people use mess by clonehappy · · Score: 2

      Whoooooshh!