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China's Tech Copycats Transformed Into a Hub For Innovation (wired.com)
hackingbear writes: Following similar path of the 19th century America, China has advanced from being copycats to innovators. After its middle class has risen from 4% of population to 2/3 in the last decade, a generation both creative and comfortable with risk-taking are born. "We're seeing people in their early twenties starting companies—people just out of school, and there are even some dropouts," says Kai-Fu Lee, a Chinese venture capitalist and veteran of Apple, Microsoft, and Google, who has spent the past decade crisscrossing the nation, helping youths start firms. Major cities, i.e. Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Hangzhou, are crowded with ambitious inventors and entrepreneurs, flocking into software accelerators and hackerspaces. They no longer want jobs at Google or Apple; like their counterparts in San Francisco, they want to build the next Google or Apple. Venture capitalists pumped a record $15.5 billion into Chinese startups last year, so entrepreneurs are being showered in funding, as well as crucial advice and mentoring from millionaire angels. Even the Chinese government—which has a wary attitude toward online expression and runs a vast digital censorship apparatus—has launched a $6.5 billion fund for startups.
Maybe the Trump you are talking about is a cheap ripoff made in china . The original is is sitting somewhere on a golden toilet , controlling everything else.
what a bunch of whooey - China has a quarter of the world's population, and a quarter of the world's smart people. Do you really think those smart people are just going to make 'rip offs', when there's more fun stuff to do - Chinese geeks are just like geeks anywhere
Spend some time hanging out in Shenzhen and you'll see just what you're up against, lots and lots of smart people - your designers in the US are building in China, but they're designing 1000s of kilometres away from their factories, designers in Shenzhen are a subway ride away from them, they can pop over and tweak a process to save money and time to markegt
Chinese IP law may not be the same as the US's - they're a different country, you know they are allowed their own laws, they don't have to have yours. If they can compete better by not having the US-style copyright nightmare - good for them - without Disney on their backs they can compete far better than you can
I get the impression there's a lot of people who get around those barriers by not caring. Seems to me that you can dot the i's and cross the t's later when you have a successful business.
These barriers are put up on purpose to encourage people to make that mistake. Then if you are successful, the government comes in and makes you an offer you can't refuse on the basis that you're a dirty lawbreaker and if you don't comply they will bust you up and put your organs up for auction.
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It's worth pointing out that the U.S. became the industrial powerhouse it is by ignoring European patent and copyright law during the late 1800s/early 1900s, and illegally building tools and products based on European designs.
I'm of the opinion that IP holders have gotten fat and lazy by manipulating the legal process to extend IP law and duration far, far beyond the point where it's helpful to the economy. And if China can build this stuff cheaper and better by flaunting IP law, then the world will be better for it even if it screws over the IP holders. That's not to say IP is useless. Just that the pendulum has swung too far in one direction, and it needs to be swung back to return us to the point where IP law is benefiting society.
It was the same with Germany at the beginning of the 19th century, with the U.S. at the end of the 19th century, with Japan in the 1950ies and Taiwan in the 1970ies. It always takes some time for a society to learn all aspects of a trade, and until then, it it is mostly trying to copy the perceived leaders. What else is there except asking: How did they do it? and then trying to figure it out by trying it yourself. And if there is not much of intellectual property to protect inside a country, there is no incentive to even have this protection. And even more: the U.S. needed decades after introducing protections for domestic works and inventions, to expand that protection to those of foreign origin. You can read the letters of complaints Charles Dickens wrote when he learned that in the U.S., his novels were reprinted and sold cheaply, and he wasn't able to do anything about it. Only when cheap rip-offs of their own products started to flood the export markets of the U.S., it agreed to allow similar protections to foreigners.
I'm curious about the Jpaanese car thing. The Japanese proved their ability to create a pretty decent *airplane* in the 1940s -- the Zero. This means they had something going for them in terms of design and engineering all the way back to the 1940s.
The Japanese cars I remember from the 1970s seem to have been pretty well engineered, if rust prone (as were American cars). Their biggest issue in terms of the American market seemed to be a question of size, not quality, and the size thing seemed to be as much a product of the home market's biases (physically smaller Japanese, high population density, expensive fuel) as anything else.
Yet Japanese cars achieved a high level of acceptance *and* a reputation for quality even in the 1970s, which means that they must have been close to American levels of engineering earlier, which is pretty remarkable considering the fact they got nuked into submission in 1945.
They certainly seemed better made than all but the highest end European cars -- better than European models like Fiat or Renault or anything the British made on their own (i.e., not stuff made by Ford or GM European divisions with parts or designs inherited from their American parents).
I'm curious if in terms of Japanese engineering and innovation, the car narrative is one of a lot of copying or whether it wasn't just a question of recovery of the Japanese economy and American market acceptance.
After the war the Japanese were rebuilding and didn't have enough resources, so cars tended to be a bit flimsy and built with older or lower quality tools. By the 1960s that had changed though. The 1964 Olympics were a real pivotal moment, with the arrival of the world's fastest train (the Shinkansen, a real marvel of technology) and a general effort to push Japanese technology and products to the rest of the world. It just took a bit longer to figure out foreign markets and what they wanted.
Japanese car manufacturers worked with western manufacturers to learn from them during the 60s, and then improved on what they learned to overtake in the 70s.
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