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Seismic Data From North Korea Suggest a Repeat of 2013 Nuclear Test
Lasrick writes: Seismologist Jeffrey Park has done an initial analysis of the seismic data from North Korea's reported nuclear weapon test and found 'an uncanny resemblance to the signals recorded for the February 12, 2013 detonation.' Park's analysis pretty much destroy's the North Korean claim that they detonated a hydrogen bomb, and he postulates that P'yongyang is desperate for attention during the US presidential election cycle.
Siegfried Hecker, one of the world's top experts on the North Korea nuclear program, is nonetheless concerned that the DPRK has now completed its fourth test, and with it a greater sophistication in their bomb design. Hecker is also skeptical that the test was an H-bomb. However, as he says, "We know so little about North Korea's nuclear weapons design and test results that we cannot completely rule it out."
Siegfried Hecker, one of the world's top experts on the North Korea nuclear program, is nonetheless concerned that the DPRK has now completed its fourth test, and with it a greater sophistication in their bomb design. Hecker is also skeptical that the test was an H-bomb. However, as he says, "We know so little about North Korea's nuclear weapons design and test results that we cannot completely rule it out."
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We also cannot rule out that NK has crated an earthquake machine, capable of producing any degree of tremors in the Earth they would like - the seismic data being so identical re-enforces this possibility since they would likely want to copy known seismic output for a test.
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I doubt any of the West has enough information to make a judgement on what North Korea is capable of. Granted North Korea is not a country that is completely honest is reporting anything. This is a country that really is sealed off from the rest of the world. They maintain a level of secrecy and hold many things in tight allowing only filtered information to be released. I think it should not be taken lightly and like Iran I don't think you can just ignore these countries anymore as truly incapable of producing nuclear bombs. Certainly Iran has been rapidly advancing their program and yet we deal with them as if this ability is years away. Again, I believe we are not taking these things seriously.
can we please just nuke his sorry ass and call it a day?
financially, a few nukes is a lot cheaper than helping that loop feed his people.
P'yongyang is desperate for attention during the US presidential election cycle
When are we NOT in an election cycle? Is there any time ever that someone is not campaigning for public office?
Even if they aren't actively campaigning, they are positioning and posturing for future "election cycles"
Oh, and I believe I saw some aluminum tubes in a satellite photo of N. Korea... so....
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They only have an A-bomb. Everyone can relax and go home.
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He can't really be one of the top experts on the program if he admits "We know so little about North Korea's nuclear weapons design and test results", indeed the real top experts of the north korean nuclear program are all either in north korea and/or working for an intelligence agency...
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I know they are not a good government, but we are not going to fix them. We have not fixed them in the last 60 years of them being a bad government. Nobody else will fix them either. Every Government needs a bogeyman, and the DPRK still works as one.
Personally even if they had a H-Bomb what is the fright? That they are going to use it against their own population? Until they have something better than coal fired missiles from the old USSR the world is not under eminent threat.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Probably a fizzle. Didn't have their primary configured correctly to ignite the secondary or the secondary was configured or built incorrectly.
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Park's analysis pretty much destroy's the North Korean claim
Destroys.
Not that anyone will bother to fix it, I'm sure.
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Unfounded speculation here but...Maybe this was a mistake where they really thought they had achieved H bomb detonation because in order to do so, you must first detonate a fission bomb. Except the H bomb, for whatever reason, didn't work.
I mean, let me ask you this, would you like to be the guy that tells Mr. Un that the H bomb fizzled?
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
He's so ronery.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The truth about the seismic data can be found here:
Not Kim jong Uns secret weapon, but his secret fitness training.
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I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would insinuate that the honorable Kim Jong Ill would actually LIE about something like this!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
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Yeah, I guess Timmah! really is retarded.
Why would you want a nuclear weapon when you could have a machine to make earthquakes?
You can't stir a cup of tea with a nuke, whereas in theory the earthquake machine offers an infinite range of variability for custom uses; paint shaking, avalanche causement, or cleaning every camera sensor in the country all at the same time. Would you not be fanatically devoted to a country where your camera sensor was forever free of dust? An earthquake machine is plainly the most direct path to the love of the people under your rule, which would also explain why spending on such a project would take precedence over food or shelter.
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For this we can thank Madeline HalfBright and BJ Clinton. Thanks guys! In about ten years, we will be having the same conversation, except about Iran , Hillary, and BHO.
Agreed. NK leaders will only go down with a nasty fight and take a lot of people with them in the process, mostly South Koreans.
Any politician who claims there is an easy fix deserves being slapped with a wet pig.
If they claim they can solve it using "strong leadership", they deserve TWO wet pigs. I'm tired of that phrase.
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We're a country that's done over a thousand nuclear detonations and we've even dropped nuclear bombs on Japan, yet we freakout when someone else even tests a bomb in their own counties back yard.
Its easy to add some Tritium to the core of a fissile device to give it a little extra kick. While this is not a true fusion device like a Thermonuclear bomb it does meet the definition of a "Hydrogen bomb" in that the device DID contain a Hydrogen isotope that would have undergone fusion in the detonation and added a few extra kilotons to the total yield.
The claim of a Hydrogen bomb is probably just PR, but NK is rapidly becoming a major threat to the stability of the area. Even China is pissed at them over this latest test. There needs to be some major negotiations with them about what it will take to get then to stop. Bush had his chance but blew it by trying to be the tough guy back when they didn't have a nuke and the elder leader was in charge, but instead of negotiating with them one to one as the Norks asked Bush demanded 6 party talks. And now we have a nuclear power run by a spoiled sociopathic brat.
All it would take is for the little sociopath running NK to have a bad day and launch a nuke at Tokyo or Seoul to ruin everyone's plans for the weekend.
No one is going to do anything until it's too late...and by "too late" I mean after this crank dictator sets off a nuke in a city somewhere, or sells one to some other crank(s) who set it off in a city somewhere.
I'd not be against invading North Korea and freeing the people there. The overwhelming majority would be thanking us after a couple of months with plentiful food, clean water, and electricity that isn't rationed. Oh, and without being executed for shit like accidentally creasing a picture of Glorious Leader or complaining too loudly that they're hungry.
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What does it changes if North Korea masters building hydrogen bomb?
Does that make the country more scary than if it just mastered fission nuclear bomb?
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Cults used to be small, local dysfunction, but thanks to 24hr propaganda on TV and radio, a massive media-driven cult has been created, and these idiots vote for scoundrels like Trump and Cruz.
Sounds to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
Back in the '60s the "establishment" media was a very narrow bottleneck, (just 3 TV networks, for starters) and quite in the pockets of government and "the 1%". (I recall one Vietnam Conflict protest march in Cleveland OH: Solid people from curb to curb on the main drag, for several blocks. The national TV camera crews were on one sidewalk, in a tight half-circle around about a dozen members of a vocally communist splinter group, cameras facing away from the giant march. Watch the evening news and you'd think the whole protest WAS that tiny splinter group.)
Trying to get the word out was a major problem for a whole generation's anti-establishment contingent - which consisted of virtually all of the boomer generation, thanks to the draft and the Vietnam escalations, along with the start of the "drug war", the ("McCarthy Era") Cold War anti-communist oppressions, and a number of other government intrusions.
One reaction was "The Underground Press". But that was pretty niche. Another, far more effective, was self-organization among the students of the journalism school programs. They were (literally) planning to infiltrate the media and use it to get their (now solidly left-wing) message out.
Don't tell me that's a fantasy - because I was there. I (and some of my politically-active friends) hung out in places where such planning went on. As the decades passed, I watched as EXACTLY what was planned gradually took hold. The new generation of establishment media personnel were these students, some of whom who worked their way into positions of editorial control, and gradually changed the media culture. First they got some of their ideas out. Then they evolved the outlets into a NEW establishment media, becoming a pervasive left-wing propaganda operation. This operated for decades (and still does), becoming the "new normal".
Newspapers could do what they wanted. But in the electronic media the "Fairness Doctrine" blocked any attempt to bring a substantial amount of anti-establishment ideological challenge to the airwaves, by requiring giving "equal time" to its direct opposition. This hobbled explicitly political analysis shows. Meanwhile, the new establishment newsies got a pass on this - they were able to slant things as they wanted, and got very good at doing it without triggering effective equal-time demands.
Until 1987 - when (thanks to falling electronic prices leading to a glut of AM stations in search of something to broadcast) access to media became cheap enough that it wasn't a bottleneck, and the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated in the interest of promoting free speech.
So now explicitly and admittedly political shows could operate. There was a sucking demand for non-left-wing political analysis, which made such shows profitable. A former disk jockey named Limbaugh broke the ice, and soon the AM dial was full of (the now anti-establishment) "conservative talk radio".
Are some of the listeners "mindless robots"? Maybe so. But the left had this field to itself for decades, and had built an enormus mass of socially-pressured cultists. It amuses me no end to hear them squawk when someone outside their politically-correct groupthink cluster files the serial numbers off their machine. B-)
Meanwhile the rise of computer networking has given outlets to other reporting and fact-checking, so neither the establishment nor the anti-establishment media is a bottleneck to the free flow of idea
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Your argument of me being an American and believing that America encompasses the world demonstrates that you have a poor and irrational belief. How about less emotional statements and some facts to back your position that DPRK is a threat.
Fact: North Korea does not have the ability to launch a nuclear weapon at either Japan or South Korea. The scuds they have are not capable of carrying that large of a warhead, tend to fall apart, and even if the glue holds they can't hit what they aim for so missiles end up in the Ocean. Do you believe that North Korea has bombers capable? Think again. The biggest "real" fear in South Korea is the amount of artillery rounds North Korea could fire into Seoul, and that it's possible to use chemical weapons in the artillery. Followed by a whole lot of people marching in behind the artillery of course. I'll give you that the threat of an invasion has a possibility, but not nuking any time soon.
The DPRK is a great bogeyman for Japan and South Korea. China is a much bigger threat and actually taking action in the Pacific. The world leaves them alone because the world can take advantage of the DPRK in many ways. It's worked pretty well since the end of the Korean War.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
North Korea is smart and they are still alive because of their nukes. I admire their honesty and steadfastness.
Meanwhile, Colonel Gaddhafi has been keel-hauled and ritually sacrificed by a french secret agent on live TV. His once prosperous country is now in a state of chaos and bloodshed due to islamist militia terror. Saddam Hussein was hanged on live TV and his once prosperous country is now in a state of chaos and bloodshed due to saudi funded ISIL-Daesh terror. Assad and his iranian, russian allies are fighting tooth and nail against a us-zionist-saudi funded ISIL-Daesh terrorist invasion and his once prosperous country is now in a state of bloodshed and massive destruction. In each of those countries, hundreds of thousands of people died violently in the past 5 years, scores of girls and ladies are being raped and sold as harem sex slaves, many millions of people have been displaced internally or became international refugees due to the hostilities.
In contrast, the DPRK is orderly. They were never prosperous, but their cities and villages are not being bombarded with US-supplied TOW guided missiles, their populace is not facing daily beheadings in public. Kids attend school, mothers receive medical care, people can go to work without fear of snipers. The dear leader Kim may as well receive the Nobel Peace Prize for such achievements of stability and preventing the imperialist vultures from ravaging his country.
Honestly said, every country should develop, test and stockpile nukes, because there is no other guarantee of your continued existance in face of CIA-backed invasions. The capitalis-imperialist "first world" that currently controls the planet's economy and politics is led by an outright satanist elite, who call themselves christian-zionists. I predict the shiia monotheistic Iran will soon be razed to the ground now that they foolishly agreed to quit pursuing nukes. They got a piece of paper in exchange and we saw how much such written guarantees are worth: exactly toilet tissue. Ukraine gave up her 2500 soviet-inherited nukes in 1994, in exchange for the "Budapest Memorandum of Understanding" but when Putin invaded and annexed in 2014, the underwriters (USA, Britain, France, China) just shrugged.
In fact, I think every nation (ethnicity) should obtain nukes, because countries sometimes purse internal genoicide to erase racial or religious minorities, e.g. the bahutu-watutsi massacre in Rwanda and the world is reluctant to help. A nuclearly armed global society is a polite society. Nukes are actually the gods of "ahisma", everyone should have one in the household shrine! There was a reason the first hindi nuke test of 1974 was codenamed the "Smiling Buddha".
There is actually a pretty decent historical example of a conventional explosion in a seaport with plenty of detail, an this was in what was likely a less populous city at the time than most would be. During WW1 two ships carrying explosives collided in Halifax harbour in Nova Scotia, Canada. The resulting blast was about 2.9 kilotons of TNT, which pretty much leveled the city, and was the largest conventional explosion prior to nuclear weapons. 7 kilotons would be more than twice that obviously.
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So yeah, not quite BB's. However the parent poster is right about the delivery system... They don't really have one that is any good. That doesn't really help South Korea being so close unfortunately. I recall a number of years ago, they did a missile test more less against Japan that got them all up in arms, but in the end it was a failure that went into the sea well out of range. While the cargo ship idea is plausible, the amount of time to deploy, and coordination to hit multiple targets, make it a pretty unreasonable option. However even one such instance of a 7 kiloton device in a modern, large populous seaport, would be pretty devastating. Not to mention the fact that after that the disruption to trade would obviously occur I think...
Someone got himself published after the 2009 test saying "we never had problems like this when George W. Bush was president".