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Cuba's Nationwide Sneakernet: a Model For Developing Nations?

lpress writes: Cuba has little Internet infrastructure, but they have a well-organized sneaker net called El Paquete Semanal (the weekly packet). El Paquete distributes a terabyte of digital entertainment nationwide every week using portable drives. The system is reliable and the organization is said to be Cuba's largest private employer, but it is technically illegal and the content is pirated. A legitimatized Paquete would save scarce Internet resources for other applications. El Paquete is also a possible model for other developing nations. Vox has a short documentary about the system.

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  1. Hard for Cuba. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the one hand, they could do the pro-freedom thing and recognise ideas and expressions can't be owned, legitimising this business - it's something the State could run efficiently as part of the postal service.

    On the other hand, the US is (despite promises to the contrary) very much anti-free-trade, in that the US is the only one allowed to be protectionist - so if they want to share resources with other countries, they're going to have to give in to the copyright cartel.

    1. Re:Hard for Cuba. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free trade is not about copyrights. Free trade is not even an accurate description of trade agreements it should really be called fair trade. Two or more parties negotiate the terms and if all sides are content the agreement is put in place. Of course some countries have more bargaining power than some but life isn't fair in almost all areas. The US government does have the power to force foreign countries to respect intellectual property and copy rights created in the US by restricting a foreign countries access to the US market. If a country does not respect the US copyright laws they can have access to the US market curtailed through the application of raised tariffs and higher import taxes. An the people who create the books, music, movies, and software applications are the ones who can decide what copyright terms are attached to their work. If they are paid money for their work than those who financed the work can influence copyright and distribution terms. Nobody forces the content creators to accept money for their work. However if they did not accept money for their efforts they would have to come up with another way to make a living and we would most like see a sharp decline in the amount content created. But all this aside you sound like a card carrying member of the entitlement generation who thinks anything you can access and download should be free.

    2. Re:Hard for Cuba. by khallow · · Score: 1

      "Fair trade" is a less appropriate a description than "free trade". And I don't see how you could have made that mistake given your description of trade agreements that have nothing to do with fairness.

  2. It is beautiful by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

    It is hard to see a downside to this but for limited distribution. Can you think of a modern analog?

    1. Re: It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think an analog modem would be a step backwards.

    2. Re:It is beautiful by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      It is hard to see a downside to this but for limited distribution. Can you think of a modern analog?

      A drone delivering a thumb drive?

      As opposed to a Chevy station wagon filled with 5.25" floppies. Hey, you wanted a modern analog.

      I was searching for a car analog[y], but got only half of it.

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    3. Re:It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way things are going in the supposed 'free' world, we would do well to learn from their methods. It's a lot harder to censor/track people spreading/consuming information on micro SD cards than on any network which is dependent on centralised, fixed infrastructure (i.e. wires).

    4. Re:It is beautiful by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Can you think of a modern analog?

      Track & Field: the 800km relay

      Loser goes to jail.

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    5. Re:It is beautiful by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon loaded with backup tapes"

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    6. Re:It is beautiful by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget good ol' RFC 1149.

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    7. Re:It is beautiful by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      A drone delivering thumb drives would probably far surpass any radio-based system. I think the OP is probably based on something close to that.

    8. Re: It is beautiful by sidthegeek · · Score: 1

      Ah, bad kerning strikes again.

    9. Re:It is beautiful by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      A drone delivering thumb drives would probably far surpass any radio-based system.

      Except the bandwidth would drop to zero if the guy's daughter is out sunbathing by the pool and your network happens to span his backyard. The Internet routes around failures, but I don't think there is a DCMP (drone-CMP) protocol that will report "shot down" to the source host.

    10. Re:It is beautiful by complete+loony · · Score: 2
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    11. Re: It is beautiful by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Ah, bad kerning strikes again.

      Obligatory xkcd.

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    12. Re:It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a '57 Chey Bel-Air station wagon full of USB flash drives hurtling down the Carreteras Central.

    13. Re:It is beautiful by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I don't think there is a DCMP (drone-CMP) protocol that will report "shot down" to the source host."

      Of course not: this kind of protocol is point-to-point, so there're no hops. Obviously you didn't pay attention to RFC-1149 and related!

    14. Re:It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is with the assumption that "drones" are after peoples daughters sunbathing?

      Has this even happened?

    15. Re:It is beautiful by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nah, I can't think of a downside. It is not ideal but it's better than nothing. I've been to Cuba twice and might actually go again in the near future. When I was there last, I was a bit more comfortable and even met some of the folks that I'd met the first time. I'm mostly fluent in Spanish but it's a little different in Cuba and the dialect isn't something I'm entirely familiar with - there are a few localizations that I'm unfamiliar with, for example.

      At any rate, that - the being mostly able to communicate, or make a good effort to do so, seems to be a good way to really get to have people treat you as more than a tourist. Before leaving the last time, I asked what sort of things they might like me to bring if I came back - things that might not land me in a Cuban prison, for example. One of the things they asked for was USB keys but not like I was thinking. They didn't seem to want the large ones - like 32 GB or anything. They'd rather have 32 of the 1 GB drives than one large one.

      I've not yet been back. They're dirt cheap now and things are a little different now. I understand that I can fly straight there and I'm already down here in Florida. The last time, I flew over from Mexico and I flew from Canada the first time. Should I go back, I'll bring a whole stack of 'em as I'm quite positive they're still using the process, even though it has been a while. The last time I went, I was told that I'd have 'net access in my hotel - I was sorely disappointed and I had no net access with my cell phone.

      I was also told that I shouldn't try to bring a whole lot in with me. They'd overlook a small number of them but probably not a whole lot of them. I'm guessing that it's a bit more slack now and I imagine they'd just take them from me now. The missus has never been so it'd be an interesting trip to go back, though I still need to get her a passport. I can order a whole huge lot of 'em from Amazon or something - I can probably find some company to sell me case of 'em at near wholesale prices if I really want.

      Also, I did not read the article. I'm assuming that this is what they're referencing. When I was there it was technically illegal (or so I understand) but fairly well known and in the open. They had books, movies, and music on them - they rented them out for a fairly small fee and updated them on a regular basis and just kept them in rotation. (At least I think the fee was pretty small?) So, if this is not what they're referencing now you know why. I did not read the article. The summary says "portable drives" but they were just little thumb drives when I was there.

      As an aside: I'd wiped my computer and only had a fairly basic install that I brought in with me during my last visit. So, I had nothing to share really else I'd have offered to help them out. I did have a few movies on DVD with me and I might have mistakenly left those in the hotel room when I left. Oops! I sure am forgetful. It's a really nice country to visit. The people are pretty decent and friendly. They know where they live and that they're in what people consider to be a repressive regime but, for the most part, they seem to just accept it because it kinda works.

      They're not locked down like North Korea or anything and some of them speak English well enough. However, it has been my experience that you get a lot better interaction if you at least try to speak the language - even if they speak your language. Learn enough to order a beer, get to the bathroom, exchange greetings, and whatnot. "Mi neccito una cervasa por favor y gracias." (No, I speak it well enough - no, I can't spell it worth a damn so that's probably wrong.) Then to ask where the bathroom is: "La cantidad para la nina, por favor?" It's customary to throw some change on the counter when asking that last question. (I'm assuming the spelling is right. You might really, really not want to follow that last bit of advice.)

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    16. Re:It is beautiful by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... What makes you think that such doesn't exist in the "free" world? I still regularly exchange data via sneakernet. I'm not even home and I'm exchanging data via sneakernet. I have not just one but several friends who have both access to storage on my network (via the net) but also have access to another physical structure on my property.

      Once a month, or more frequently if needed, they'll go grab drives and physically transport them. Not only that, they grab my drives - I'm currently using my home network to send this message and am connected to a whole network (with attached storage) back home. Backups automatically get pushed to several locations and physical separations are made for disparate location assurance planning.

      Seeing as they're already going there, if I find something interesting then I'll save it to just a little thumb drive that is sitting in a desktop computer's port and send them an email suggesting that they grab it and put a new one in. They know where the key is and they know the alarm codes so I obviously trust them. It works out pretty well and I don't end up making the site for some project pay for more bandwidth than is necessary if they're large files. Sometimes it's just something I created, wrote up, or whatnot.

      Sneakernet isn't dead just because you don't use it. I certainly am not a member of the only group of people who do this. I've read about USB dead-drops and things of that nature. They're also built in to some buildings in some cities - you just meander up, plug in a cord, and leave or grab files. I've never encountered one, I have no need for such, but I've read about them. I'm sure Google will help you out if you're interested.

      I don't actually have anything that I am hiding but it's actually easier and it makes for a good, disparate, off-site backup plan. I've got a dozen 6 TB external drives and we just keep rotating them. They have their own drives and they even have space on my hardware to do backups over the 'net. It's the best of both worlds and it works so well that I don't even have to be physically anywhere near my house in Maine for it to work. I've been doing this for years and had other ways of doing similar things before this. Hell, I still buy and hand out files on optical media if it's meant to be permanent. However, I prefer to just use USB keys - they're much simpler.

      Hell, I am so certain that I'm not unique in these regards that I'm quite willing to bet that others of us use sneakernet still. Shit, I guarantee it - some of the ideas that we use are ideas given to me by people from this site. It's not like I thought this up on my own. Quite a few of us are passing around thumb drives, optical disks, external drives, or even just hard drives ripped from the case 'cause we don't even bother putting the case cover back on.

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    17. Re: It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never suggested sneakernet was dead here. However, necessity is the mother of invention. In a repressive regime where getting caught with the wrong data could literally be fatal, evasive tactics might be more sophisticated than anything we have come up with. The Cubans and others like them may have much to teach us.

    18. Re: It is beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's keming?

    19. Re: It is beautiful by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Whilst there's probably lots to learn, I don't think you'll find that this is an area to learn a whole lot. Basically, it's TV, movies, books, and things like that. It's not subversive or probably not even banned material. It's just stuff that is either expensive or difficult to acquire - at least that's my understanding. There doesn't actually appear to be much of an underground to overthrow the regime or anything. It's what you'd torrent if you wanted off-line entertainment. Low-res video, books, and music. Maybe even some pop music.

      If that's the kind of thing you were thinking of then, perhaps, the old Soviet Bloc countries or even WWII France might be a good place to look. Unless you're concerned with a government crackdown on soap operas, flamenco music, and the latest Spanish translations of James Patterson then I'm not sure there's anything there to learn - in this particular area. The people seem legitimately happy and fully aware that they're not in an ideal situation but content that they're not in the worst place.

      Seriously, if you ever get the chance to visit - jump at the offer. There really doesn't seem to be much of an undercurrent of dissent or anything. They laugh, drink, play, and sing - not just for tourists. It's not ideal but it's still better (from what I can tell) than it was under Batista and many of them remember those days as well as know the rhetoric pushed out by the party which seems, for the most part, fairly accurate - if a bit biased.

      If you're looking to hide from an oppressive government then people were building their own computers, by hand, out of parts in Soviet Bloc countries and had all sorts of ways to smuggle information in and out from behind the Iron Curtain. During the occupation of France they used women (often the best looking ones) to transfer firearms, explosives, documents, and things like that - they also used very young children, typically under the age of 12 but sometimes much younger. One memorable young chap springs to mind but his name is caught in the cobwebs of my brain, he carried firearms in a violin case and once mapped a bookstore out so that his older brother could plant a book bomb in it.

      It seems that most of the people who don't want to be in Cuba aren't actually in Cuba any more. They live in Florida or Mexico. The folks who are left seem to not mind it too much. I'm not really sure what more to add but, from my experiences, you seem to be thinking of it a little off, it's movies and music and books for the vast majority of stuff, as far as I know. I believe it's technically illegal but nobody cares. That's why I'd have been able to bring thumb drives in unless I tried to bring in a whole bunch of 'em. If it was something they wanted to crack down on, they'd just take them when you get off the plane and put you into a Cuban jail.

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    20. Re:It is beautiful by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      Most drones sold recently have on-board cameras.....i.e floating peeping toms......

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    21. Re:It is beautiful by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Yes and the drone in question was shot down and this was reported here on slashdot and the judge rules the shooting justified.

    22. Re:It is beautiful by lpress · · Score: 1

      A sneakernet is appropriate technology for a poor nation with lots of un and underemployment.

  3. Cue the MP/RIAA by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    I like to seem the try to muscle their way into Cuba...

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    1. Re:Cue the MP/RIAA by k6mfw · · Score: 1
      "El Paquete distributes a terabyte of digital entertainment nationwide every week using portable drives"

      A terabyte, according to RIAA estimates, is about $2.7million which is about 16 years of Cuba's total GNP.

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    2. Re:Cue the MP/RIAA by gerddie · · Score: 1

      A terabyte, according to RIAA estimates, is about $2.7million which is about 16 years of Cuba's total GNP.

      Please check your math: Cuba's GNP in 2005 was $11.2 billion and I think it went up since.

    3. Re:Cue the MP/RIAA by lpress · · Score: 1

      Today, the MP.RIAA is getting $0 from Cuba. My guess is that they would be willing to negotiate for something greater than 0.

    4. Re:Cue the MP/RIAA by lpress · · Score: 1

      A terabyte, according to RIAA estimates, is about $2.7million which is about 16 years of Cuba's total GNP

      Can you give me a link to the source of that estimate?

    5. Re:Cue the MP/RIAA by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      cmon you guys I am being factious of both RIAA and Cuba.

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  4. Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Nova+Express · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And instead embrace freedom and allow their impoverished citizens embrace freedom and capitalism, and exchange information that way.

    The reason that "Cuba has little Internet infrastructure" is because communism is a colossal economic and political failure. Free capitalism economies offer a much better model for getting out of poverty and building out an information infrastructure.

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    1. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Rob+Lister · · Score: 2

      Dude, please stop. It is a dictatorship. Of course it is closed. Be relevant. Pretty please. Cherry on top.

    2. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Socialism is always a dictatorship - for some.

      You're free to argue that run-away capitalism make it so to because of inequality and the huge difference in capability.

    3. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason internet connections are hard to come by in Cuba isn't "communism provides little incentive to build non-essential infrastructure", it's "the dictator only gives out internet permits to people he trusts". If Cuba dropped communism tomorrow it wouldn't make an difference as far as internet access is concerned, because it would still be illegal.

    4. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Agreed. And on the capitalist front, making the software illegal for them is a bad move. If I were at the helm of a software company, I'd figure out a mechanism for making my software legitimately and legally available to third-world markets who really can't afford to pay first-world prices for their software. It's a long term strategy for getting them used to a) using your software in particular, and b) using legitimate software instead of pirated software. It may seem like a simple semantic difference if the bits are the same, but I think it's an important one.

      At some point, you can figure out how to monetize your market position, but it's also valuable to have a solid market position even before the money starts rolling in. Ask Google, Amazon, Twitter, or Facebook about how that's worked out for them.

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    5. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      Socialism is always a dictatorship - for some.

      So ... not always for others?

      You're free to argue that run-away capitalism make it so to because of inequality and the huge difference in capability.

      I can't parse that. Did you leave out a word? And what is your point?

    6. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It is the natural cyclical state of man to create, consolidate, and decimate resources. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    7. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > The reason that "Cuba has little Internet infrastructure" is because communism is a colossal economic and political failure.

      No. Seattle has terrible Internet, and I still have dial-up at home since Comcast doesn't offer service to my block and the phone wiring is too old for CenturyLink to support DSL, so that proves it isn't always communism that is the problem.

    8. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Most of my coworkers that live in the city limits of Seattle use ISDN since work pays for it. My building doesn't have cable or DSL available, but there's a Starbucks across the street that works great for me. They have a dual T1, so it's pretty slow when they're busy, but it's better than paying a lot for ISDN.

    9. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell us how Jamaica, their capitalist neighbour, is faring any better.

    10. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      It is a dictatorship. Of course it is closed.

      Not all dictatorships are closed. Pinochet may have tortured, imprisoned, or shot all his opponents, but he also opened Chile's economy, championed free trade, and created broad prosperity.

    11. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pinochet, a Hero of Capitalism, Entrepreneur and Job Creator! Vivre Pinochet!!

    12. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What particular freedoms would capitalism bring to Cuba? The freedom for Cubans to starve to death? The freedom to be exploited by an extra-national entity (or entities) rather than one of their own? Capitalism can only succeed for everyone when it is in chains, i.e. actively restrained from achieving its worst excesses, whereby it becomes a ravening monster that eats or destroys all in its path. Rich laissez-faire capitalists are slavemasters and poor laissez-faire capitalists are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

    13. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The butthurt is strong with this one. Communism is a miserable failure and all the message board excuses in the world will never change that.

    14. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're free to argue that run-away capitalism make it so to because of inequality and the huge difference in capability.

      I can't parse that. Did you leave out a word?

      And what is your point?

      He sounds a lot like the Chavistas in Venezuela. Just 2 days ago they sent an old drunk man to speak on the opening of the National Assembly. He couldn't stop mumbling intelligible nonsense in a historic moment for the country and the whole region.

      His name is Hector Agüero. If you understand Spanish, I recommend watching the video in Youtube.

    15. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle is a better example of fascism than communism.

    16. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Communism didn't make Cuba an island. The lack of Internet infrastructure is mainly because it's an island which has been under strict embargo by its only nearby mainland neighbor for half a century. Remove the embargo and they'd happily put in a cable to Florida and solve the problems.

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    17. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by jblues · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the Human Development Index, Cuba, at 67th place is somewhat ahead of Jamaica, at 99th. Both places are ahead of where I live, though I think we're vastly ahead on the internet development index.

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    18. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by aliquis · · Score: 1

      So ... not always for others?

      What I mean is that the people who get a benefit may view it as ok, and maybe the majority does, but those who lose ..

      I can't parse that. Did you leave out a word? And what is your point?

      What I mean is that I guess mostly with inherited money and no redistribution of wealth people will be born into different worlds and with a huge economical advantage against someone else where you've always been able to take advantage of them, say such as house-cleaners, chefs, prostitutes, drivers, .. whatever, that situation most likely become normal for you.

      But it has obviously made you unequal and one could question why someone should say clean your house and cook your food rather than yourself.

      Of course that's how normal work too but with the same salary and wealth that happen at an equal level.
      What I meant was that the insanely rich, call them aristocrats or whatever, will be able to rule the society and the people because they are rich and own stuff.

      Personally I think money and money / service / item trade and exchange is a good thing to get the right thing done and I think that people is more likely to want to do stuff if they actually get something for it, so because of that capitalism may be better than the other option. One thing I think could be considered fair is to have 100% heritage tax - once you're dead you won't miss your items anyway and everyone started from a clean slate but you also get the advantages of whatever you do and can improve your life.

    19. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saudi Araibis is also a dictatorship.

    20. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      As a trivial aside: What makes you think that people are taking advantage of people who do the jobs that you named? I have a housekeeper who works maybe 20 hours a week (sometimes a bit more) and gets paid a salary no matter how many hours she works or doesn't work. I had to force a raise on her because I realized I'd not given her one in a long time.

      As a guess (and statistically I stand a good chance of being correct), she makes more money per hour than you do with her salary alone. When you add the benefits (like a car, gas card, and a variety of other things gifted to her) it's a near certainty that she makes more than you do on an hourly basis. If I use the US median income - she's statistically likely to make more than you do, both per hour and in total, even without enumerating the benefits.

      Given that you're here and, I presume, in the tech industry - she may not make as much as you do overall or by the hour. Statistically, it's likely that she does as an overall average but your presence here indicates that you may make more than average. More importantly, she works maybe 20 hours a week and is here, with me, on an all-expenses paid quasi-vacation along with her husband. They both have been here since before the holidays - three Slashdotters met them over the New Years Eve celebrations.

      How the fuck am I taking advantage of this person? She works half the time and exceeds the average income in her area - by a good margin. (The exact number isn't terribly important, suffice to say - I'm not a cheap prick.)

      Seriously, WTF? Taking advantage of them? Do you know what good domestic help makes in some areas? This doesn't mean abuses don't happen but that that's a big fucking fat-ass brush you're painting with. Seriously?

      Also, your heritage tax is laughable. That's another topic for another day. No, you don't get my shit when I die. That's why you form a limited liability corporation or a trust. Good luck taking away the assets of a business when a member of that business dies. Nobody pays that shit and there's fuck all you can do about it. I seriously hope you posted that while you were drunk.

      I pay a nice old lady a very handsome wage for some rather minimal work and I'm taking advantage of her... Really? She'd be bored, unemployed, and puttering around in her kitchen all day otherwise.

      She's "as pleased as punch" to work for me and she and her husband weren't a whole lot more than subsistence farmers before I moved to Maine. Hell, when we get back to Maine, I'll be buying their property (at a more than fair price) and they can live there until they pass away. I've already got it set up so that the couple that have also been living there and helping out will be able to remain there - in perpetuity, while keeping all profits, for the low cost of just maintaining the farm and the lady from that couple will be my new housekeeper.

      On top of that, she knows she can retire at any time and that she'll still keep getting paid because, ya know, not everyone has the moral values that you'd have if you were in their shoes. You're projecting what you'd do if you were in that situation - oddly enough, not everyone is an asshole. (I am an asshole, just not to people I like or people that I want to be liked by -- and it's not a good idea to piss off the person who's cooking you a few meals a week.) Her replacement will get the same level of treatment and her husband will get the same level of treatment that this one gets.

      In other words, I've got lots of land that needs tending, trees needing to be cut, logs that need to be felled to go off to the yard a few times a year, things that need to be fixed up, farm products that I want, a garden I need tended, and plenty of things to keep them busy even though, really, they could live just fine off her salary alone.

      And no, I'm not an exception to the rule. No, I am not extraordinary. No, it's not oh so much worse everywhere else. How do I know? I get out of the fucking basement, talk to people, and know people from a

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    21. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've pondered a part of that problem in the past. How about an agreement, it needn't even be formal at first, that they can use your software free of charge and then, should they use it and make a profit, they can/must/should pay you a percentage of that profit either in perpetuity, a single payment, at varied intervals, only when they make profits, or things of that nature.

      Something that's not quite the same as software that's free for home use only, free for scholastic use, stuff that must be paid for in advance for a for-profit business, etc... There's room for a number of different licensing terms in there. Something like:

      You can use this software for as long as you like, for free, until you use it to enable you to make a profit. After you've made a profit you can pay x% of that profit, pay a one time license fee, pay for past usage, pay for a continued license, or things of that nature.

      It would, of course, be very hard to enforce but it might mean that people, who wouldn't be inclined to pay, would pay. You could even just ask them to set their own percentage - how much did you feel it helped? Then, have them subtract all their expenses and just pay a portion of the profits. They can do it monthly, yearly, bi-yearly, or whatever. It's not quite freeware, it's not quite shareware, it's not quite pay-ware. It can be adjusted in so very many ways and tailored to suit different markets, products, or end-goals while still affording the developer the chance to get their product entrenched in growing markets.

      Yes, it's subject to being abused but if it would otherwise just be pirated and this offers them a chance to legitimately pay for something but only after they've made money...

      I think a few of us had a sort of long discussion about this in the past. I'm not sure if it was on this site or another one but I think it was here. :/ This was probably about five years ago, however. My memory is not that good. Ah well, 'tis an idea if you want it. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it - it might be viable. Meh, it's worth looking into and expanding on it, I suppose.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    22. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      What an odd list. Singapore is quite high and Iceland and Canada are below the US. I didn't look at the order of all of them but those jumped off the page at me. I've been to Iceland twice and am a dual-citizen so I go to Canada frequently. I've never been to Singapore but I understand they do stuff like cane people and have some rather insane drug laws. I'm not really sure what to make of it...

      The only conclusion I did come to is that, by whatever metrics they use, you almost certainly live in a hellhole. I take it that moving is not an option for whatever reason? You don't need to disclose it but I am now curious as to where you live. I've been to a number of the countries that are rated rather poorly and many of them don't have a whole lot in the way of infrastructure or compute devices outside of the urban areas. Even in those areas, such isn't always available or even all that consistent/affordable.

      The last time I was in Rwanda, in Kigali to be exact, is a good example - as near as I could tell, only the more wealthy areas had home use of the 'net at all, it wasn't always on, they had sporadic access (at great expense) at hotels, and I saw a few cafes but I don't know if they had internet - but they did have computers and said they had internet but it wasn't on very often. This was probably about six years ago so I suppose things may have changed.

      Here's the kicker - outside of Kigali there wasn't *any* access at all, for the most part AND Kigali (the capital) has enough access (as poor as it was) to be considered #1 in broadband download speeds! (I'm not sure if that metric still holds true or if I'm recalling it exactly right.) I'm not sure where to check to find it. At any rate, the whole country had almost no access at all, there was very little in the city itself - and it was sporadic as all hell, and they're the *best* in all of Africa...

      Ha! Wikipedia tells me:

      Rwanda ranked in first place in Africa for broadband download speeds and 62nd globally with a speed of 7.88 Mbit/s in February 2013.[1]

      In a country with fewer than 1000 TV sets though I think they had more than that when I was there - that stat seems to be from 1997.

      At any rate, something like 8% of the people have connectivity (now - less when I was there, surely) and that connectivity probably didn't even have a 75% uptime while I was there. Hell, I bet it was less than 50% of the time. And they're the best in Africa. Well, as far as download speeds. Though, it should be noted, Rwanda is something like 25th from the bottom.

      By the way, I use Rwanda as an example. It is literally the worst place I have ever been - parts of it are beautiful though. The place is so bad that, somehow, the US State Department made a special effort to contact me, by phone, to tell me that going there was a really stupid thing to do and that they'd not be able to help me if something happened. Not only would they not be able to help me but that they'd make absolutely no effort to help me.

      I forget the name of the form they wanted to send me but they wanted me to read it, fill it out, and send it back. The gentleman on the other end of the phone used expletives to tell me how bad the place was and how stupid I was for going there, that I'd end up causing some sort of international diplomatic incident, and all sorts of other things.

      Incidentally, I was fine. I had nary an issue and was able to travel outside of Kigali fairly easily. They use convoys and I had a guide who was familiar with all the happenings. There were three trucks in our convoy and maybe 20 people. Most of them had firearms but nobody needed any. I have no idea how to spell it but it tasted like honey and was pronounced something like oobookee (with a kind of harsher/stronger "k" in it) that was supposed to keep me safe. I drank far too much of it as it's a very sweet drink. I'm not finding anything with that spelling via Google. It was delightful but the hangover is powerful - which was cause to drin

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    23. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by dskzero · · Score: 1

      (He actually had a stroke.)

      --
      Oblivion Awaits
    24. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The freedom of choice. That choice might only be the freedom to decide who does the screwing but at least there's a chance and at least there's a choice.

      All-in-all, I'd say that's a pretty big advantage. You, on the other hand, might have different values but I'm not terribly scared to make choices and accept responsibility for those choices where and when I can. It may sound strange to you but I'm old and have probably at least thought out the same thoughts you're thinking right now. I value the chance to choose to fail. I value the risks and rewards. I know that there are risks inherent in freedoms and in liberties. I accept those risks and I'd rather not have my freedom curtailed nor my liberties restricted because of other people's cowardice.

      I'd say freedom of choice is a noble goal - with, of course, reasonable restrictions on what one is at liberty to do - for I am not an extremist. If you're gonna get fucked then you might as well pick the cutest of the bunch. If you're nice enough, they might even give you a reach-around. Either way, even if you fail, it's nice to have a fighting chance.

      I'd also say that if you want to move to Cuba that they'd let you but, alas, they don't want you. They've got enough mouths to feed already. Pretty much everyone that did that whole take a plane hostage and get a free trip to Cuba thing ended up leaving Cuba and Cuba didn't want them anyhow. It's kind of funny how that works.

      At any rate, the answer to your question is choice. If you need help with the reasoning then just ask and I'm sure someone will try to help you to understand it. If you get out of the house, get some sunshine, and travel a little? You'll find out that you have it quite nice when you compare it to other areas. That doesn't mean it's perfect but it does mean it's quite nice, really.

      So, cheer up buttercup and stop pissing in your knickers. You look silly and your ruining the floor. Make some good choices and things will turn out okay. No, they won't be perfect but they'll be okay. Considering that you have electricity, food, water, safe housing, internet, a device to connect to the internet, and are at least moderately literate - you're already doing a hell of a lot better than a whole shitload of people. If you stop leaving a puddle of piss everywhere you go, you just might find things aren't that bad and could be so very much worse.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    25. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by jblues · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is an odd list. I'm not sure how Saudi Arabia does so well. Red flags for me are: Public beheadings, ultra conservative government, no separation of church (or mosque) and state. And it is a 3rd world, albeit, wealthy country by the traditional definition. That is, 1st world: western democracy, 2nd world, eastern socialism, 3rd world: Feudalism/other

      My take on Singapore. A pleasant place to visit. I wouldn't personally want to live there. The first things that you'd perhaps notice are: The tropical heat & storms. It is very well functioning in terms of infrastructure, social services, economy and so forth. Freedom of self actualization and expression? Somewhat, but tough, to say the least, for folks who don't fit a narrowly defined mold. For example male homosexuality is illegal. And Wikipedia tells me just now: The city-state had the second highest per-capita execution rate in the world between 1994 and 1999.

      I live in the Philippines, though I was born in Australia. No plans to move - happy here, though, we (family) like to travel for work or leisure. Internet? Yup it is pervasive. Reasonably well used in the government sector & very highly utilized in the private sector. It is available, and used by, folks who live on a few dollars per day, of which there a still many. In some places has arrived, via affordable SmartPhones, ahead of other basics like city administrated water, sanitation, etc. . . . I'm not much of a nationalistic person - see myself more as a world citizen, but since I live here, I hope to do my small part to serve and help make it a better place.

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      If it acquires resources on instantiation like a duck, then its a shared_ptr<Duck>
    26. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am from Singapore and am currently still here.

      I have travelled around abit around Asia and been to Europe as well.

      With that in mind, Singapore is one of the best places in Asia, in terms of safe and clean environment with good infrastructure(cheap GB speed internet for homes, good roads, public transport, etc), clean government, etc.

      As for homosexuals, although it is technically illegal, there are many openly homosexual people around, even in the entertainment industry, and as far as I know those homosexual related laws are not enforced at all for about 15 years at least. They are supposedly still there cos of "Asian morals", and no politician wants to be known as the one who wants to open that up officially.

      We are pretty strict when it comes to drugs and most death penalty cases are drugs related. Maybe thats why we have low drug issues here (most people ain't stupid enough to fool around with an effective police force and get themselves killed).

      We are pretty open with alot of stuff here, inter religious marriages, atheists, promiscuous relations, etc.

    27. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by alantus · · Score: 1

      Here is a recent interview of him in December.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      Not the sharpest guy in the world, but still far from a stroke:

      Same guy, one month later in the Assembly:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Its far fetched to think that he had a stroke in that period of time, and then decided to make a fool of himself and his party in the Assembly instead of being in the hospital or at home recovering.

    28. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by dskzero · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I took some time to read on that. Given how the chavista party behaves, everything is possible, but considering they are a minority in the Assembly right now, it's not that strange they would send a guy who had a stroke to speak just to make sure they were there.

      --
      Oblivion Awaits
    29. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy, they don't risk their life at sea to escape slavery. That's enough proof.

      OTOH, you might consider Jamaica has access to the Internet, whereas in Cuba citizens are restricted and monitored by the State. Yo do not want to underestimate the impact that Internet access has on the quality of life.

    30. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, please stop. It is a dictatorship. Of course it is closed. Be relevant. Pretty please. Cherry on top.

      Oh yay.

      Didn't take long for the "No true Communism has ever been tried" logical fallacy to appear.

    31. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Ah thanks for sharing. I've been to a half-dozen or so of the islands there. Every one of my trips (three total) was for pleasure - seeking out historical places and enjoying the area. I have no idea how they're that low on the list. Well, no. I guess I can probably guess it. There were some violent areas, as I recall. I also recall hearing that there were some islands with a whole lot of firearms? As in, pretty much any firearm type you can imagine is available but, oddly, a whole bunch of them are made in the Philippines.

      Overall, and with just my limited experience, the Philippines wasn't bad at all. I had an enjoyable time and met a bunch of good people. A friend of mine, in the US Navy, was stationed there way back when and is married to a native. They live there and one my sojourns was to visit him. I'm guessing that I've just never seen the worst sections - though people were certainly not wealthy, they weren't violent or anything. I have no idea how that would end up being rated as low as it is. Several of the countries, listed as better, certainly seem like much worse place - I know, because I've been to some of them and they were much worse than the Philippines.

      Ah well... I guess that confirms that I probably shouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that list. I could see myself living in the Philippines except I hate the heat. I'm also not too fond of rain. Otherwise, it's a nice place.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    32. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying, is Communism is a
      *dons sunglasses*
      Red Herring

      YEEAAHHH!!!

    33. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Dusty555 · · Score: 1

      Ahem, it's Stalinism that the Cubans suffer under, not Communism. As Noam Chomsky put it in an interview in a 1991 issue of Rolling Stone, true socialism (as he defined/defines it-workers controlling the means of production, with said means run by cooperatives) never really happened in Russia in 1917, China in 1949, or Cuba in 1960. What we've seen in the East and in Cuba were just authoritarian states with a veneer of socialism. Cuba needs to get rid of the Stalinism that it's suffering under and learn to live. After that, maybe we could see a socialist state, but I'm not holding my breath. And as for being exploited, the Cubans have been exploited by the Soviets (and Soviet companies) for decades-how different would the suffering be now? A few joint companies have been set up with capitalist firms in Cuba anyway for quite a while. At least if the Stalinist regime running Cuba collapsed, the Cuban people could be free to be what they wanted to be, rather than just be under the boot heels of two old men (the Castro brothers) and their shitty regime that isn't socialist.

    34. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its far fetched to think that he had a stroke in that period of time, and then decided to make a fool of himself and his party in the Assembly instead of being in the hospital or at home recovering.

      Not quite--all it'd take is it being some combination of a minor stroke and very close to the date--I'd not precisely be surprised if it was 'minor stroke hitting language skills, on that day' since it might easily be that nobody would have noticed until he was giving his...ramble, and I'd need to be more fluent in Spanish to tell if it might be receptive aphasia. (I'd also appreciate the universe's sense of humor if that's what happened, for its layers.)

    35. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Pinochet, a Hero of Capitalism, Entrepreneur and Job Creator! Vivre Pinochet!!

      (Replying in part to remove mismoderation,) Nobody said we had to like him, just that he's one example of dictators not closing a country, and given that the claim was that "It's a dictatorship, of course it's closed" then only one example of a dictator who did not close his country is needed.

    36. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are pretty strict when it comes to drugs and most death penalty cases are drugs related. Maybe thats why we have low drug issues here (most people ain't stupid enough to fool around with an effective police force and get themselves killed).

      The reason why some consider Singapore's drug laws bad from a human rights POV is the inverted burden of proof with the default that possession = trafficking unless you can prove otherwise. Not to mention that there too you can get away with such things if you're wealthy. I read Once A Jolly Hangman by Alan Shadrake and it does seem to me that the price for a relatively drug-free society in Singapore is a lot of innocent people being executed.

    37. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That list is bullshit. Have you ever actually been to Cuba? I went there a month ago (not a resort, Havana) and it was a total shit-hole. Having been to Africa, I can staunchly say I much prefer the hotels in South Africa and even Kenya over Cuba. It's incredibly dated, there are no public facilities, you can't buy anything (bottled water, for example), and there's literally only 1 ATM in all of Havana (that's not a joke).

      GPS devices are banned too, so don't expect taxi's to know where they are taking you, if you can get one that isn't corrupt (they don't run the fares, they just look at you when they arrive wanting to see how much you'll give them).

      As for the internet, I actually had HSPDA most of the time I was there (roaming) so I can't complain about that too much. There was 0 WiFi though, and no wired internet either.

      I did enjoy seeing the huge line of Cubans at the 1 cell phone store in Havana though. They weren't there to buy anything, mind you, just to look. They could never afford a phone.

    38. Re:Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Socialism is always a dictatorship - for some.

      Democracy is often a dictatorship - for the 50% - 1 who constitute a minority.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    39. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by jblues · · Score: 1

      You sound like a Californian with those preferences :) Are you? I don't think many people complain about having to visit Califronia. I always enjoy it when I get the chance.

      At first the heat and humidity were a welcome novelty for me. But we eventually decided to move up into the cordilleras where the temperatures are year-round within 50-80 degrees. There's a month or two where it gets down towards 50 on some days and a month or two where it gets up towards 80. There's a kind of pine tree native to the area called the Benguet Pine - very pretty. That solves the heat - we can just head for the beach if we're in the mood, and I prefer town life over city life. There's still plenty of rain, but I don't mind the tropical storms. However, the rainiest month is in the northern hemisphere summer, and I heard they might be moving the school holidays to that time. If that eventuates, it could be a good time to do a little travel.

      We haven't moved up there yet - still setting up a place. Will do so when the older kid finishes high school here in the city.

      --
      If it acquires resources on instantiation like a duck, then its a shared_ptr<Duck>
    40. Re: Or they could, you know, abandon Communism by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm about as far away from California as possible. Well, not at the moment, at the moment I'm in Florida. However, my home is way up in NW Maine. I'm up above the 45th lat. and close to Canada. I prefer a very, very rural life. I then visit the areas where the people are - and then leave after I've had enough of them. So, I travel a lot, I used to travel for work and, I guess, I've really been traveling my whole life. I grew up in the military, was in the military, and then went through college. I then traveled as a part of my job (I owned my own business). I sold, retired, and I'm still traveling.

      Back home, I can see the porch light is on (I can check the cameras by remote) and we're getting about a foot of snow. I see some tracks in the snow but the camera didn't catch it well enough - it looked to be the size of a small deer. I'd show you the feed but there's no reasonable way to allow others access - I keep it pretty locked down and it allows only specific hardware and IP addresses to contact it. But, it is beautiful in its own way.

      Having seen your beaches, I'm inclined to say I like that too - I just couldn't live there for long. I just don't like it that warm or that rainy. I can brush the snow off my shoulders. Once the rain soaks in, you're wet. I like the cold because, if you know what you're doing, you can always get warm. There's a point where you can only take off so much clothing and still be socially acceptable. I'm also not a huge fan of air conditioning in and of itself, I don't mind it but (oddly) I hate fake air movement. I don't mind if it's windy outside but my body just doesn't like it inside. So, I live in Maine. ;-)

      It works. I'm fortunate in that I'm able to have a choice. Many folks can't make those choices. Many folks don't get to travel. To wax philosophical, I think that might be what's wrong with so many people. They don't travel. They don't realize how good they have it. They don't see the results of bad choices. Under a different moniker (and I will not share) I sometimes write about my travels. I've been to war-torn areas, I've been in active combat zones, and I've seen the aftermath of extremism. I've been doing this off-and-on but more so since I've retired. I see the extremism that people espouse as virtuous. I don't like it. I have seen where extremism (in any direction) gets us. It's really disheartening to see it and to realize that others might see the same things if they only took a few minutes to get off the beaten trails and see how good they really have it.

      That said, I'll probably be back in your area at some point. I'd like to visit some of the other islands. I'd like to see some of the places that are not on the tour maps. I'll probably take the time in a few years but it's likely to have to wait. I have a busy year coming up and then I'll probably be occupied for a few years after that. I'm not looking forward to it but, fortunately, it's only for four or so months per year and then a few more months to catch up on things. (I'll be running for public office in the State of Maine. Not that I want to but that I've been asked to. To be honest, I don't really want the job but I do feel that I'm obligated to offer myself as I have the means and will do so to the best of my ability, unlike the person who currently holds that office.)

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  5. You keep using this word "illegal" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

            Why on earth would anyone think this is illegal? There are a lot of things that are wacky wrong in Cuba, but copying 1s and 0s without fear of some artificial scarcity punishment is not one of them.

    1. Re:You keep using this word "illegal" ... by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      Well, if you get arrested and imprisoned for copying 1s and 0s and you argue that it is illegal and they laugh, what then? Do you tweet that it is an injustice?

    2. Re:You keep using this word "illegal" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a hair weird to argue, when arrested, that what you were doing was actually illegal.

      I suppose you could. If you really like going to jail.

      AC

  6. Keep circulating the tapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep circulating the tapes

  7. The other remaining Commie s*hole by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    North Korea uses exactly the same system for exchanging news: http://techli.com/2012/05/nort....

    1. Re:The other remaining Commie s*hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Cuba nor the DPRK have communist systems. The DPRK doesn't even call theirs "communism", it's "Juche" (and they even criticize communism as originally defined). Not that I think communism could ever work in practice but it's stupid to use the term when it doesn't apply.

  8. Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is bootlegging. There's nothing new or nice or fancy about it just because it is occurring in Cuba rather than New York City.

    A bootlegger(pirate) carries a bunch of content on physical media, duplicates it and then sells the copies.

    This is an age old model for fucking thieves. Don't romanticize it.

    1. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      thieves ? really just how do they deprive you of your 0 and 1's ? they just create a new instant copy.

    2. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by murdocj · · Score: 0

      Right. Sort of like if you work for a company and at the end of the pay period they don't pay you. They haven't deprived you of anything. So guess there's nothing wrong with that. Right?

    3. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by Shompol · · Score: 1

      So if your company produces entertainment videos, and you somehow magically prohibited Cubans from copying your videos, stopped the crime in its tracks, would your pay period look $0.01 better? No! Your entertainment is probably barely worth the time it takes to watch it, no sane person from a poor country would ever shell out for it.

    4. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      And maybe your work didn't profit the company all that much, so they shouldn't bother paying you.

    5. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moment I am not profitable I get terminated. What's your point?

    6. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed my point I didnt say it was morally or ethically correct and may indeed be a crime but it is not a crime of theft.

    7. Re:Bootlegging Is Newsworthy? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You honestly can't tell the difference between an amount of money and some 1s and 0s? Are you naturally this dense or did you take evening classes?

  9. Experienced the same thing in Broadcast Television by androidph · · Score: 1

    In the Philippines during the 80s, they used to do the same thing for TV. I lived in one of the 7106 islands and our TV is late for 1 week, since after each day, all the recording from Manila (the capital) are shipped and it arrives on or before 7 days. So we would offset 7 days when there are airing schedules of movies / shows.

  10. Nah, try Drones and Solar Powered Mesh Networking. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    Use big drones to distribute solar powered WiFi mesh network nodes, that act as caching proxies, across rooftops and then have smaller drones deliver caches of data on a regular basis. The small drones can even recharge at each node before moving on to the next one to update it's cache. Optimise the routes and node positions and you have the best of both options with the fastest possible cache update times. You do not even need to update the entire cache, just add new content and have the node's storage much large than would fit on the small fast drones.

  11. Re:Nah, try Drones and Solar Powered Mesh Networki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think drones are covered by the existing standard, better talk to the IETF about updating it.

  12. Re:Nah, try Drones and Solar Powered Mesh Networki by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Right, all you need to do is buy automated drones which can recharge themselves automatically, and carry a payload. And others that can distribute solar powered WiFi nodes. I could do it for about $20 million. Or I could hire a guy with sneakers and a pickup truck.

  13. Geography much? by Balial · · Score: 1

    This seems fine on a tiny island like Cuba, but good luck making this work for developing countries over wider geographical areas.

    1. Re:Geography much? by shapano · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cuba is not a tiny island. It's about half the size of Great Britain and is the 17th largest island in the world.

    2. Re:Geography much? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Geography is not an issue. Any nation can rollout optical links, add in cell towers, wireless towers for more remote locations, get optical down to many areas given a generation of telco workers, site access and now very cheap local manufacturing.
      The problem is who to buy and fully import needed equipment from. Once a Cuban telco contract is final the US gov starts looking at any bank, brand and its links in or to the USA.
      So any advanced EU, Asian, South American, African based exporter with the ability to sell parts, turn key telco rollout production lines, nation building telco product would face the results of the USA looking at its own sales, the brands banks and any other supporters or legal links.
      Certain international codes can be revoked from supporting banks, brands restricted from the USA.
      So Cuba has to be very creative in what it spends cash on, who it offers bids to, what it builds and designs domestically.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  14. Short answer: No. Long Answer travel a bit outside by indi0144 · · Score: 1

    Seems like they are distributing media content only since Cubans already have some access to "normal" internet through open wifi hotspots in the plazas (spotty and scheduled, but they seem to be able to do video calls with family in Miami so it must be decent enough), Cuba's internet comes through Venezuela BTW.

    I fail to see how is this any different from a guy selling pirated movies in SD card, it's free and centrally organized, thats what people do usually against controlling overlords. Wonder how they got bloggers jailed several years ago when they didn't have sneaker nets. They just used Florida's 3G/2G networks, hardware provided by guess who.

    Why compare a developing Nation with Cuba anyway, developing nations have free markets mostly and are only limited by the kleptocracy and lack of education. Good thing is that thanks to this discovery in networking now some subsaharian communities will be enlightened with the latests updates on the Kardashians, what a time to be alive!

  15. Entering the US Market. by westlake · · Score: 1

    I like to seem the try to muscle their way into Cuba...

    Population of Cuba, 11 million.
    Spanish-speaking population of the U.S., 41 million.

    Does it ever occur to the geek that the Cuban musician or filmmaker might want to cut himself a slice of that very big pie? Which would imply working with the rights agencies and not against them?

    1. Re:Entering the US Market. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Does it ever occur to the geek that the Cuban musician or filmmaker might want to cut himself a slice of that very big pie?

      Well that's a reasonable enough scenario. (I accept the implication that non-Spanish speakers in America are shot, jailed, or lose their credit ratings for listening to Spanish music or art, but it's a strange and foreign land with all sorts of restrictions ; I wouldn't be surprised.)

      Which would imply working with the rights agencies and not against them?

      Then the Cuban artist works with the *AA. That's great. She might even stand up to ask the Cuban government to stop pissing in the *AA's beer. That doesn't make it obligatory for the government to comply with her wishes to the detriment of a greater proportion of the population than she is. It's a concept called "democracy" ; I believe there is due to be an exercise in it in America in the near future and then you too can have the joy of living with the consequences of your neighbour's bone-headed decisions.

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  16. Station wagon full of floppies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, the station wagon full of floppy disks broke down?

  17. This would require real social networks by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This whole operation is based on meeting people face to face and trusting them to be generous. That's the kind of trust-thy-neighbor attitude which is largely dying out in richer countries. We've become so rich that we don't need to cultivate neighborly kindness. When we want something, we just get it ourselves, whether it's through wires, Amazon or an SUV trip to the store. I wouldn't want these opportunities to go away, but at the same time, I sometimes think that our wealth has brought us too much self-reliance. We've forgotten what it's like to actually rely on the kindness of strangers, and I we hardly many opportunities to show strangers our kindness.

    1. Re:This would require real social networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Trust-thy-neighbour and the kindness of strangers is the reason rich countries are rich. Neighbours in poorer countries routinely shit on each other, sometimes literally.

    2. Re:This would require real social networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sometimes think that our wealth has brought us too much corporate-reliance

      There, fixed that for you. You're not relying on your own resources, you rely on the capabilities and policies of the companies providing you with services and products, as long as you can afford them; and they are the ones who decide what you can and can't get through them.

      Of course, having you disconnected from your neighbors make turn their decisions that much easier for them.

    3. Re:This would require real social networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neighbours in poorer countries routinely shit on each other, sometimes literally.

      Which never happens in those rich countries? /ultra sarcasm

      For example, the entire notion of "Homeowner Association" is as shitting-on-your-neighbour as you can possibly get within the law, with a smile.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re:This would require real social networks by whh3 · · Score: 1

      I wish that I had moderator points to mod this up. Thank you for this post. I largely agree with you. Like you said, there is a tradeoff, but I'd like to see us to swing back in the other direction (at least a little).

      The one benefit of less self-reliance is what we would realize there is really no such thing as self-reliance. We are all helped/hurt by the people around us all the time and in myriad ways. I believe that people who believe they are entirely self-reliant lack the empathy needed to realize that it's not always about the individual desire to succeed that makes a person successful.

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  18. Some Awesome Trolling But Facts Are Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's some awesome trolling going on in this thread.

    Lets' leave your fantastical wishes and perceptions of morality out of the subject for a moment and concentrate on just the facts.

    Fact: Theft of 1s and 0s is a is illegal in the United States. This is based on laws and legal precedent.

    Fact: The theft is occurring in the United States.

    Fact: That further distribution is occurring outside the U.S. does not negate the fact that the initial theft is illegal.

    Now, based on your username, I can tell that you're proud to be a scofflaw. And while that's all well and good, for you, it doesn't chnage the facts. The facts are that what the Cubans are doing is illegal. Just as marijuana is illegal in most states and it's use is a federal crime, no matter how much you like it or that some states have legalized.

    It's also a fact that the dissemination of El Paquete is illegal in Cuba according to Cuban law. That the law isn;t rigidly enforced doesn;t change the facts.

    1. Re:Some Awesome Trolling But Facts Are Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm doesn't seem top change thet FACT athe most americans are fucktards.

      who the fuck cares what is defined as illegal in the US in this case AS CUBA isn't in the UNITED STATES - FACT
      THEFT is the crime of depriving of property - not copying which is defined a different offense.

  19. And the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the attacks on our freedoms including the mass amounts of censorship and tracking of everything, a Sneakernet is what we are quickly going back to here in the United States of America.

    Everybody needs to be working hard on Internet 3.x
    No DNS
    No DHCP
    All encrypted
    No dependency or control by government or corporations.

  20. Warez CDs by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    This is not so different from the Warez CDs that were available in pre-Internet ages (those were actual pressed CDs). People used to pass them around so you could copy off them what you liked, then pass them on/give them back, etc. Later on you saw them on burned CDRs as well, but with the rollout of broadband Internet these disappeared/became obsolete.

    But even though it's in Cuba, Clinton (the male, not the female) somehow managed to come up with an exception to the blanket embargo.... for copyright purposes. Yes, in 1995, at which time of course the US government was already heavily indebted to the copyright industry like they are today.

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    1. Re:Warez CDs by lpress · · Score: 1

      The difference is not in the content, but the organization -- these guys reliably deliver a terabyte of new material once a week -- never miss an episode of your favoiite TV shows or a newly released movie.