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The FSF Is 30 Years Old; Where Should They Go From Here? (fsf.org)

An anonymous reader writes: The Free Software Foundation is conducting a survey to gather feedback on where they should be focusing their efforts over the next five years. Should they concentrate on IP issues, UX issues, or something else? Is their stance on Free Software versus Open Source a battle that's already lost, and should they compromise? What do users think an ideal world would look like in 2020? And how miserable could things get? Without the FSF (and GNU), today's computing landscape would sure look a lot different.

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  1. To do by SeriousTube · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get Hurd done.

    1. Re:To do by unixisc · · Score: 2

      That is a problem w/ not just liberated software, but also open source software, the way it's defined by the OSI. Way around it is shared source - that is when you sell your software, you provide the sources w/ it as well. However, you disallow further downstream distribution. This goes against the ideals of both groups, but it solves the problem of vendor lock in, while protecting the revenue streams of people who wrote that software for a career

  2. Huh? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure how UX issues are part of their remit any more than child labour or bees dying are.

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    1. Re:Huh? by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure how UX issues are part of their remit any more than child labour or bees dying are.

      The user experience is make or break.

      The geek ought at least to have learned by now that "free as in beer or free as in freedom" is not a driving force for most users.

  3. Focus on what they do best by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They need to fight the coming tide of walled gardens and closed systems. The availability of freely programmable general computers is not guaranteed. We are seeing a rush towards closed systems like iOS and Android and corporate controlled app/software stores with signed code. I hope in 25 years end user programmable computers will still be affordable and widely available with access to the Internet.

  4. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And how miserable could things get?

    Mobile-centric (we're already headed there) with mandatory identification tied together through the bullshit of a combined arms effort of Facebook-Google-Apple.

  5. UX to increase user base, in turn for HW compat by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If UX of a free application is worse on the whole than UX of the more popular proprietary alternatives, improving free software UX may increase the user base. In more concrete terms, there might be more GIMP users if GIMP were as easy to learn as Photoshop. User base is important because only the economies of scale associated with user base can make hardware makers willing to ensure that their products are compatible with GNU/Linux or other free operating systems.

    1. Re:UX to increase user base, in turn for HW compat by MacTO · · Score: 2

      While it is important for FLOSS developers to look at UX, the vast majority of FLOSS has nothing to do with the FSF beyond using their license agreement. UX has also been outside the scope of FSF efforts, and choosing to put more emphasis on it is bound to alienate a lot of their supporters.

      So yes, look at UX. Yet choose the right people for the job.

    2. Re:UX to increase user base, in turn for HW compat by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      In more concrete terms, there might be more GIMP users if GIMP were as easy to learn as Photoshop.

      Adobe Photoshop is easy to learn? Seriously? Hopefully, Gimp developers can do better than Photoshop in terms of usability. In my opinion, both Gimp and Photoshop are very difficult to learn.

      And the only app that's breaking new ground in terms of usability is Inkscape (not that Inkscape is a substitute for either Photoshop or Gimp, it's not, but it's becoming better and more usable than all the other proprietary vector graphics alternatives).

  6. Make Defensive Publication Possible Again! by nomentanus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having watched inventions wander away from me and become private (first to the patent office with a whole bunch of cash now wins thanks to changes to U.S. law) I know how vital defensive publication is. Now I see that the OIN and linuxdefenders.org related defensive publication service defensivepublications.org has been discontinued. The website still exists, but won't take further submissions if you try to submit them. Without being able to keep open inventions open, we're in a heap of trouble. I'd like to see easy, reliable, court-provable defensive publication come first. I am suppressing several inventions right now that I believe would greatly benefit open source (etc) because such a service doesn't exist; as I wait until it does exist again. That's all I can do on my budget right now.

  7. I know their direction... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They need to hire more lobbyists and lawyers. get people to actually band together to be members and scare the hell out of the congress critters that are hell bent on being the enemies of the people and work only for their corporate masters.

    congress is afraid, deathly afraid of the NRA.... we need to get the FSF at the same level of fear.

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    1. Re:I know their direction... by tepples · · Score: 2

      A 501c3 charity can't hire lobbyists. Did you mean FSF should affiliate itself with a PAC, much as NORML Foundation (a charity) and NORML PAC are affiliated?

  8. Let 'em eat Pi by tepples · · Score: 2

    The availability of freely programmable general computers is not guaranteed. We are seeing a rush towards closed systems like iOS

    The last couple times that argument was made (by betterunixthanunix and AC), the answer was "let 'em eat Pi" (AC and BasilBrush). What makes you see a rush away from things like Raspberry Pi and Arduino?

    and Android

    The last time I read the Android Compatibility Definition (CDD), it required all Android devices with Google Play to accept self-signed applications through adb install.

    1. Re:Let 'em eat Pi by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Android is still a closed walled system. There is a rush towards closed systems and it is gaining momentum. There isn't a rush away from Pi or Arduino, but there isn't a guarantee that such systems will remain available forever. I can see a day when ISPs start requiring "approved hardware" in order to connect to their networks for example. I can also see a day when Google starts requiring Google approved apps and turns off the adb install route. It may not be today, or tomorrow, but it is a threat.

    2. Re:Let 'em eat Pi by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

      Android is still a closed walled system.

      How so? Android is free software. Or by Android did you mean Google Play?

      I can see a day when ISPs start requiring "approved hardware" in order to connect to their networks for example.

      Back in 2005 or so, users such as Alsee were predicting that home Internet access would be locked down using Trusted Network Connect by 2015. It's 2016 now.

    3. Re:Let 'em eat Pi by westlake · · Score: 2

      What makes you see a rush away from things like Raspberry Pi and Arduino?

      The boards appeal to the system builders, the technical hobbyists, a very small segment of the population. There are 700,000 ham radio operators in the U.S. 327 million cell phones.

    4. Re:Let 'em eat Pi by tepples · · Score: 2

      What can 327million people do that 700,000 can't?

      Constitute a sufficiently large market to enable enough economies of scale to convince peripheral makers to support it rather than making peripherals compatible only with Macs and Windows PCs.

    5. Re:Let 'em eat Pi by tepples · · Score: 2

      Then be choosier in what you buy. Nexus devices can officially be flashed with a rooted ROM.

  9. Re: An easy way to comply to GPL3 ? by dnaumov · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GPL3 is more restrictive than GPL2, there is no way around this truth. A lot of companies are avoiding GPL2 like the plague, so trying to sell them on a "but this one is only very slightly worse for you" license is an absurd exercise in futility.

  10. DFSG and OSD are substantially identical by tepples · · Score: 2

    Open source software is not always free software.

    I'm aware of philosophical differences between users of the two terms. But I wonder what substantial difference you're seeing between the terms with respect to the software itself, as the Open Source Definition published by Open Source Initiative is nearly word-for-word identical to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

  11. Most pressing issues: by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GNU/Linux: Let it go. We all know what GNU has done for FOSS, but your Branding sucks.

    FS vs. OS: Seriously, let it go. Keep on fighting, but stop the infighting.

    Your branding and marketing sucks big time, across the board. Get some professionals and listen to them.

    FOSS Projects: E-Mail needs a replacement. Start building one. Encryption and anonymity as core of the specs. Build Branding, marketing, professional UX and proper Clients for all Plattforms. Yes, including Apple. Lets get going with this overdue problem.

    We need a feasible distributed Facebook Killer. Diaspora is Meh, with shitty branding and UX and others are even worse.

    Those two endeavors would have a huge positive impact.

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  12. This was a tough one by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The free software movement has been successful at achieving its goals over the last 30 years.

    I mean no doubt open source has scored victory upon victory from cell phones to supercomputers, but the FSF's goals? Most users do not use a platform or applications that gives them the "four freedoms". Users in general do not see proprietary software as wrong. In fact much of their data has moved from proprietary code to proprietary services, which use open source including GPLv2 software in their delivery but don't distribute it. I don't know any service I use using the Affero license, the "GPL for SaaS" license. And with online services the DRM is more or less baked into the service, naturally it won't work without the server side and you get to do a lot more live cheat detection and bans.

    A lot of the code that big companies has released is under the Apache 2 license instead of the GPL, things like Android and LLVM has gotten far more attention lately than the GCC. The lone exception is the kernel, but it mostly lives in its own "universe" not affecting user space and drivers have found ways to use blobs when they want to. In short, I don't think RMS is happy with the state of things, maybe not even the direction things are going. But I'm happy that open source keeps "hollowing out" proprietary software, if it runs on top of a LAMP stack or Docker container or whatnot they're interested in making the foundation stronger. Eventually the layer thins out to where OSS volunteers making something "good enough".

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    1. Re:This was a tough one by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have to ask where we would be without the FSF. The answer is "a lot worse off". Pushing the GPL and free software, especially in the early days of the internet when GPL software became the de-facto standard for a lot of things, has created a better, freer world. No exaggeration.

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  13. Re:RPI by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    The RPI can be your PERSONAL CLOUD.

    No, no it cannot. Cloud computing is being able to spin up as many VM, container etc. instances as you need, and be billed accordingly, on someone else's hardware which might be located anywhere. If you build your own "cloud" what you have actually done is built your own "server" or "cluster".

    Cloud computing is just shared cluster farming with on-demand instances, so it's not magical. But it is something specific, and it's not plugging in a Pi and loading it with Debian.

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  14. And keep Stallman out of the limelight, please by JonathanF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You hit the nail on the head, and I'd add that the leadership (namely Richard Stallman) is sometimes more of a liability to the FSF than an asset.

    It's a group built around ideas, to be sure, but it's hard to sound reasonable when your leader is the definition of unreasonable: forcing people to refer to a product a certain way (it's Linux in real life, Richard, not GNU/Linux), refusing to accept that any use of closed-source software is okay, and so on. Paradoxically, he's more trapped and enslaved than many of the people using the closed software he rails against. If Stallman were around in Tunisia during the Arab Spring, he wouldn't have been out on the streets securing real, meaningful freedom (because that would involve using the "evil" Facebook and Twitter)... he'd be too busy asking the existing regime to use FOSS.

    In other words: argue for free and open software by all means, but don't pretend as if your only options are to either switch completely to FOSS or else be forever tainted as a human being. The FSF needs a leader who is cool with you running open source apps on Macs and Windows PCs, and understands that it's the goal of free/open source code that matters, not how "pure" you are.

    1. Re:And keep Stallman out of the limelight, please by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Strongly disagree. We need an FSF with strong principals. Time and time again Stallman has been proven right, sometimes decades later. He predicted the DRM, the walled gardens, renting software and media without ever really owning it, not being able to trust our computers at the hardware level.

      While this unwillingness to compromise might mean the FSF can't do some things, it provides an essential standard that everything else can be measured by.

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  15. The FSF is doing enough to promote diversity and p by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was going to finish the survey, but then I saw this question. There's no way to express my desire for them to stop promoting diversity and participation of underrepresented groups, and I don't want to be counted among those who oppose egalitarianism in the community.

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  16. Re:Alternative needs economies of scale by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    It's relatively easy to assemble your own pad or phone from freely available hardware.

  17. Re:The FSF is doing enough to promote diversity an by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ISIS is beheading a sufficient quantity of infidels.

    [ ] Strongly disagree
    [ ] Disagree
    [ ] Neither agree nor disagree
    [ ] Agree
    [ ] Strongly agree

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  18. Re:RPI by KGIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pfft... Sync to the internet? I don't... I use 47 Lithuanian boys, who mimic the chittering of squirrels, to carry my packets back and forth. When one of them brings back a bad packet (one to sync with one of those newfangled cloud thingies) I beat him with a stick until he learns to filter it better!

    Err... Yes, yes I'm very tired. :/

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  19. Re: The FSF is doing enough to promote diversity a by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

    For any of you who find it confusing, that was an example of begging the question.

    Another example is "So, do you still beat your wife."

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